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*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (1 Viewer)
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need2know
Footballguy
please dont remind me we chose that bum with a 1st
Insein
Footballguy
We is used very loosely there. I think only 2 people chose him. The rest of us said wtf?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Anyone think a guy like Desean could get us a late 1?
Insein
Footballguy
He made $11.5 mil in 2012. Pretty sure he'll want more than that. Probably going in the $12-15 mil per range.
Insein
Footballguy
It'd be hard for a team to justify it. Maybe St. Louis would give up their extra 1st. They play indoors. They have a solid underneath guy in Amendola. Desean could be the deep threat they are looking for. Otherwise, I don't see anyone giving up more than a 2nd at best. More likely a 3rd.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
At his contract, can't imagine. I'd like to see a list of trades that involve a first-round pick for a player. Don't think that there are too many.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
This is apparently the list of players traded for first-round picks straight up from 2000-2009. I guess that it is a few more than I expected. Still seems fairly dubious to me.2000 Keyshawn JohnsonNYJ/TB2000 Joey Galloway SEA/DAL2001 Trent Green STL/KC2001 Kevin Carter STL/TEN2002 Ricky Williams NO/MIA2002 Drew Bledsoe NE/BUF2003 Laveranues ColesNYJ/WAS2003 Peerless Price BUF/ATL2005 Randy Moss MIN/OAK2006 John Abraham NYJ/ATL2006 Deion Branch NE/SEA2008 Jared Allen KC/MIN2008 Roy Williams DET/DAL2009 Jay Cutler DEN/CHI2009 Jason Peters BUF/PHI2009 Richard Seymour NE/OAK
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I think I read that the franchise tag would be like 14 million for him this season.
JAA
Footballguy
well done
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
This is exactly the order I'd take them in.
I like Smith and he or Volmetter(Pats) would be my number one free agents but no way would I put any RT over a Pro Bowl stud LT like Peters. I know a lot of people are worried about Peters injury but with the medical staffs in the NFL now I worry a lot less then 5 years ago.
Insein
Footballguy
Seems there is a precedent then for trading big name WRs for 1st round picks.
Shane Falco
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Shane Falco
Footballguy
point proved, not good company to be inOrioles did after 13 straight losing seasonshow many teams go 4-10 and RAISE ticket prices?
loose circuits
Footballguy
cCooper looked really good though and it was good to see McNutt get some PT. team is deep there especially with SAlas and Cunningham as guys that could compete for spots. If we are gonna go for top free agents, WR isn't the position in need
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I agree that it may not be a "need" position but we really don't have a #1 WR.
And all of these trades were made before the NFL's new rookie pay scale went into place as part of the latest CBA.First-round picks, especially, have become much more valuable under this new system, because you no longer have to break the bank with guaranteed money to get them signed. I can pretty confidently state that there is absolutely no chance a team like St. Louis chooses to trade away a first-rounder for D-Jax. None.Personally I'd be thrilled if the Birds were able to land a 2nd-rounder for him. I want him gone.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I agree the other Wr on this might have busted but at the time they were traded they weren't injury prone Wr's who wont go over the middle anymore. I agree I would take a 2nd for him and go after a bigger wr like Bowe in free agency. One thing the Eagles have is money. Now I doubt they even get a 2nd for him and I'm not for signing big free agents right now unless its a top line RT or defender but getting rid of Jackson gives them another hole and extra money.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Every time I see the way Baltimore uses Boldin it makes me want Bowe even more.
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Shane Falco
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
At least we beat the SB champs lol
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
And, as it's been pointed out: the last 4 teams the Eagles played in their home opener went on to win the Super Bowl. Saints, Packers, Giants, and now Ravens.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@Jeff_McLane: Just spoke w/ Ravens LBs coach Ted Monachino. He told me GM Ozzie Newsome wouldn't block #Eagles if they are indeed after him to be new DC.
Insein
Footballguy
I'm cool with that.
Insein
Footballguy
Who is the 2013 home opener? Have they made the schedule yet? Bet there are a lot of teams anxiously awaiting that.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
Schedules come out in April, I think.EDIT - but besides the obvious division rivals, we play the NFC North, AFC West, Cardinals, and Bucs.
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JAA
Footballguy
Signed a big name coach to a big contract. the FO is committed, time we are too. We still rank #11 in prices and cheapest in the NFCE'Shane Falco said:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@Jeff_McLane: Ozzie Newsome's track record has been to block young, rising assistants. It's one of the reasons they've maintained success. We shall see.
Thought I heard on TV this morning that the Ravens won't block the Eagles if they are interested.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I have to wonder about getting any SF/BAL assistant, particularly if they're considered top tier material.I'm still thinking we ultimately go the way of a college DC post recruits being locked into their commitments.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I'm fine with Lotulelei.
Insein
Footballguy
I'm ok with it. Would rather not. I'd prefer Fisher or Milliner.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Of the 7 WR traded for 1st round picks none of the teams who gained a WR saw much impact from the trade. Most of these deals ended up hurting the team trading for the WR more than it helped them.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Eagles Mock Draft Roundup
This narrows down all the picks by everyone, in case you have a preference.
This narrows down all the picks by everyone, in case you have a preference.
Insein
Footballguy
Didn't stop teams from continuously making them though.
Insein
Footballguy
Seems to be Joeckel, Milliner, Star if available in that order. I'm ok with that. Like I said, I'd prefer Fisher above Star but not that worried about it. Don't like the guys that say Geno Smith or Warmack. Bleh. No thanks.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
While I get the obsession with our 4th pick, I really think that one pick is going to be largely inconsequential in the grand scheme of our turnaround. I just want them to get the guy right, don't care what position they choose. Luckily for us, many of the projected top players happen to be positions of need for us.
Let's talk about the roster, anyone else want to take a stab at veterans that we'll let walk and/or cut?
Here are my thoughts:
Quarterback:
KEEP -- Nick Foles (young, under contract for less than $800K per year through 2015)
CUT -- Mike Vick ($18mm in 2013 if we keep, another $55m beyond that)
CUT -- Trent Edwards (Chip will bring in his own guys as backups)
Running Back
KEEP -- LeSean McCoy (I wonder if they will try to get him to re-work deal, but probably not until next offseason -- either way he's staying)
KEEP -- Bryce Brown (Flashed too much and is locked up on the cheap to let walk)
KEEP -- Stanley Havili (A bit of a guess here, but he's under contract for another few seasons and is only FB on roster)
CUT -- Dion Lewis (Just don't see a guy who became 3rd fiddle being kept as they push for youth movement, new regime)
CUT -- Chris Polk (I'm assuming Chip drafts at least one RB)
Wide Receiver
KEEP -- DeSean Jackson (Some may hope otherwise, but Jackson is young, and is clearly already being promised a major role by Kelly. They'll give him 2013 to prove he fits in with new system)
KEEP -- Jeremy Maclin (He's only under contract through 2013, so I'm less convinced about his long-term future, but he'll have 2013 to prove his value to Kelly and his assistants)
CUT -- Jason Avant (Hate to see him go, but he's older, a Reid guy, and is due $2.7mm this year -- if he's willing to take major cut, maybe he stays)
CUT -- Riley Cooper (I see WR4/WR5 as classic areas for a new coach to replace with youth and his own system guys)
CUT -- Damaris Johnson (See Riley Cooper)
Tight End
KEEP -- Clay Harbor (Flashed when given a shot, and is under contract for 2013 at just $740K)
CUT -- Brent Celek (He's due $4.5 to $5mm each of the next four years, I don't see this as being a guy the new regime will want to commit to and build around)
Offensive Tackle
KEEP -- Jason Peters (I have major reservations about Peters' health BUT we know he can be an elite LT if he gets back to 100%)
KEEP -- Todd Herremans (Herremans is due a lot of dough, but I assume he's smart enough to re-work his deal and possibly move inside to guard again...this is more of what I HOPE than what I'm sure will happen)
CUT -- Demetress Bell (one of the worst signings in a string of bad FA deals in recent years)
CUT -- King Dunlap (he's a FA if I'm not mistaken, and we saw his limitations last year)
CUT -- Dennis Kelly (another guy that will fall prey to younger, Chip Kelly building blocks)
Offensive Guard
KEEP -- Evan Mathis (One of the best guards in the game and under contract for another four seasons)
KEEP -- Dennis Kelly (Started as a rookie and while I'm not sure he figures into the starting lineup, hard to see Kelly cutting a 2nd year kid who's cheap and has starting experience)
CUT -- Danny Watkins (A controversial one, but I see the team letting him go as one of those "shocking" moves to emphasize that this isn't Andy's team anymore)
CUT -- Mike Gibson (He's cheap and has a year left, maybe they keep him if he has a good camp but I see him getting cut if they go OL heavy in the draft)
KEEP? -- Nathan Menkin (Really have no opinion on this guy, but he's cheap and has two years left)
Center
KEEP -- Jason Kelce (Center is SO IMPORTANT to Kelly that I think he may be actively looking to replace Kelce, but he's only in 3rd season and is seemingly a lock at least to stay as backup)
CUT -- Everyone Else
Defensive End
KEEP -- Brandon Graham (Graham was one of the most disruptive players in the league on a per snap basis, and has experience as a 3-4 OLB from college)
KEEP -- Vinny Curry (He was a 2nd rounder last year, he's obviously sticking on the roster and will possibly be in line for major role)
KEEP -- Phillip Hunt (The breakout didn't come last year as planned, but he's young and cheap)
KEEP? -- Trent Cole (Controversial move here, but Cole is 30 years old and has shown signs of regression. He's buoyed by his monster contract, being owed $5mm in guaranteed salary this year)
CUT -- Darryl Tapp (He's an UFA so I'm assuming they let him walk)
Defensive Tackle
KEEP -- Fletcher Cox (Seems like he will flourish as a 3-4 DE and could be centerpiece of new defense)
KEEP -- Cullen Jenkins (He's guaranteed $4.5mm this year so hard to imagine they'll part ways)
KEEP -- Cedric Thornton (There's no real reason to have confidence in this call either way, but he's a high motor guy, is only 24 years old, and is cheap)
CUT -- Mike Patterson (Patterson has had a rough go of it healthwise and, while no fault of his own, doesn't seem to fit in a rebuilding plan at 29 years old and due $2.9mm)
CUT -- Derek Landri (He's a UFA and hardly someone the Eagles will prioritize)
Linebacker
KEEP -- Mychal Kendricks (An obvious piece to build around entering his 2nd season)
KEEP? -- Demeco Ryans (I'm not sure how much of Ryans' deal is guaranteed, but he certainly stays only if he's willing to redo his current deal which pays him $6.6mm in 2013)
KEEP -- Jamar Chaney (I don't know that he's got much of a role as an every snap player under Kelly, but he's young and under contract for another year)
KEEP -- Casey Mathews (He played for Oregon...hard to see him not getting a serious shot at a role)
CUT -- Everyone else (either let them walk in FA or be cut for younger players and 3-4 fit FAs)
Cornerback
KEEP -- Brandon Boykin (Given his age, experience and friendly contract, he figures to be no worse than our nickel back in 2013)
KEEP -- Curtis Marsh (Not as much a given as Boykin, but he's 24 and signed for multiple years)
KEEP -- Brandon Hughes (We haven't seen much of him on D, but he was arguably our best special teamer -- or at least one of the better ones)
CUT -- DRC (I realize most will think otherwise, but I think the smart move is to not re-sign him. I REALLY don't want to see them use the franchise tag on him, he's been awful over the last two years)
CUT -- Nnamdi (Look, I was as giddy as anyone when we signed Nnamdi, but he's been WOEFUL and I don't see him redoing his huge deal ($15mm '13 plus another $24mm beyond) so they'll need to part ways
Safety
KEEP -- Colt Anderson (He's an RFA and shouldn't start on defense but is a great special teamer)
CUT -- Everyone else? (Just don't see them keeping Nate Allen around. Kurt Coleman is a tougher call but I say they make a clean break)
Let's talk about the roster, anyone else want to take a stab at veterans that we'll let walk and/or cut?
Here are my thoughts:
Quarterback:
KEEP -- Nick Foles (young, under contract for less than $800K per year through 2015)
CUT -- Mike Vick ($18mm in 2013 if we keep, another $55m beyond that)
CUT -- Trent Edwards (Chip will bring in his own guys as backups)
Running Back
KEEP -- LeSean McCoy (I wonder if they will try to get him to re-work deal, but probably not until next offseason -- either way he's staying)
KEEP -- Bryce Brown (Flashed too much and is locked up on the cheap to let walk)
KEEP -- Stanley Havili (A bit of a guess here, but he's under contract for another few seasons and is only FB on roster)
CUT -- Dion Lewis (Just don't see a guy who became 3rd fiddle being kept as they push for youth movement, new regime)
CUT -- Chris Polk (I'm assuming Chip drafts at least one RB)
Wide Receiver
KEEP -- DeSean Jackson (Some may hope otherwise, but Jackson is young, and is clearly already being promised a major role by Kelly. They'll give him 2013 to prove he fits in with new system)
KEEP -- Jeremy Maclin (He's only under contract through 2013, so I'm less convinced about his long-term future, but he'll have 2013 to prove his value to Kelly and his assistants)
CUT -- Jason Avant (Hate to see him go, but he's older, a Reid guy, and is due $2.7mm this year -- if he's willing to take major cut, maybe he stays)
CUT -- Riley Cooper (I see WR4/WR5 as classic areas for a new coach to replace with youth and his own system guys)
CUT -- Damaris Johnson (See Riley Cooper)
Tight End
KEEP -- Clay Harbor (Flashed when given a shot, and is under contract for 2013 at just $740K)
CUT -- Brent Celek (He's due $4.5 to $5mm each of the next four years, I don't see this as being a guy the new regime will want to commit to and build around)
Offensive Tackle
KEEP -- Jason Peters (I have major reservations about Peters' health BUT we know he can be an elite LT if he gets back to 100%)
KEEP -- Todd Herremans (Herremans is due a lot of dough, but I assume he's smart enough to re-work his deal and possibly move inside to guard again...this is more of what I HOPE than what I'm sure will happen)
CUT -- Demetress Bell (one of the worst signings in a string of bad FA deals in recent years)
CUT -- King Dunlap (he's a FA if I'm not mistaken, and we saw his limitations last year)
CUT -- Dennis Kelly (another guy that will fall prey to younger, Chip Kelly building blocks)
Offensive Guard
KEEP -- Evan Mathis (One of the best guards in the game and under contract for another four seasons)
KEEP -- Dennis Kelly (Started as a rookie and while I'm not sure he figures into the starting lineup, hard to see Kelly cutting a 2nd year kid who's cheap and has starting experience)
CUT -- Danny Watkins (A controversial one, but I see the team letting him go as one of those "shocking" moves to emphasize that this isn't Andy's team anymore)
CUT -- Mike Gibson (He's cheap and has a year left, maybe they keep him if he has a good camp but I see him getting cut if they go OL heavy in the draft)
KEEP? -- Nathan Menkin (Really have no opinion on this guy, but he's cheap and has two years left)
Center
KEEP -- Jason Kelce (Center is SO IMPORTANT to Kelly that I think he may be actively looking to replace Kelce, but he's only in 3rd season and is seemingly a lock at least to stay as backup)
CUT -- Everyone Else
Defensive End
KEEP -- Brandon Graham (Graham was one of the most disruptive players in the league on a per snap basis, and has experience as a 3-4 OLB from college)
KEEP -- Vinny Curry (He was a 2nd rounder last year, he's obviously sticking on the roster and will possibly be in line for major role)
KEEP -- Phillip Hunt (The breakout didn't come last year as planned, but he's young and cheap)
KEEP? -- Trent Cole (Controversial move here, but Cole is 30 years old and has shown signs of regression. He's buoyed by his monster contract, being owed $5mm in guaranteed salary this year)
CUT -- Darryl Tapp (He's an UFA so I'm assuming they let him walk)
Defensive Tackle
KEEP -- Fletcher Cox (Seems like he will flourish as a 3-4 DE and could be centerpiece of new defense)
KEEP -- Cullen Jenkins (He's guaranteed $4.5mm this year so hard to imagine they'll part ways)
KEEP -- Cedric Thornton (There's no real reason to have confidence in this call either way, but he's a high motor guy, is only 24 years old, and is cheap)
CUT -- Mike Patterson (Patterson has had a rough go of it healthwise and, while no fault of his own, doesn't seem to fit in a rebuilding plan at 29 years old and due $2.9mm)
CUT -- Derek Landri (He's a UFA and hardly someone the Eagles will prioritize)
Linebacker
KEEP -- Mychal Kendricks (An obvious piece to build around entering his 2nd season)
KEEP? -- Demeco Ryans (I'm not sure how much of Ryans' deal is guaranteed, but he certainly stays only if he's willing to redo his current deal which pays him $6.6mm in 2013)
KEEP -- Jamar Chaney (I don't know that he's got much of a role as an every snap player under Kelly, but he's young and under contract for another year)
KEEP -- Casey Mathews (He played for Oregon...hard to see him not getting a serious shot at a role)
CUT -- Everyone else (either let them walk in FA or be cut for younger players and 3-4 fit FAs)
Cornerback
KEEP -- Brandon Boykin (Given his age, experience and friendly contract, he figures to be no worse than our nickel back in 2013)
KEEP -- Curtis Marsh (Not as much a given as Boykin, but he's 24 and signed for multiple years)
KEEP -- Brandon Hughes (We haven't seen much of him on D, but he was arguably our best special teamer -- or at least one of the better ones)
CUT -- DRC (I realize most will think otherwise, but I think the smart move is to not re-sign him. I REALLY don't want to see them use the franchise tag on him, he's been awful over the last two years)
CUT -- Nnamdi (Look, I was as giddy as anyone when we signed Nnamdi, but he's been WOEFUL and I don't see him redoing his huge deal ($15mm '13 plus another $24mm beyond) so they'll need to part ways
Safety
KEEP -- Colt Anderson (He's an RFA and shouldn't start on defense but is a great special teamer)
CUT -- Everyone else? (Just don't see them keeping Nate Allen around. Kurt Coleman is a tougher call but I say they make a clean break)
babydemon90
Footballguy
I'd like to see Damaris Johnson stick around. Dude is small, but I think he has a role to fill....maybe the Danny Woodhead type role?
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
I'd be good with keeping most of the offense. They struggled, but playcalling was bad and the line was killed by injuries. Chip Kelly's success at Oregon was done with a lot of 3 star and 4 star recruits. He put guys in positions to make plays, unlike some people (*cough*Andy Reid*cough*. I'm confident he can make things work with what we have. The defense is where we need help. Badly.EDIT - to expand on the offense. I think Vick goes. Best case scenario is Kelly does with him what Harbaugh did with Alex Smith and use him as a game manager. Though Vick has the arm to push the ball down field while Smith does not. But I'd rather just move on from the Vick Experiment.Shady and Bryce are locks, but I could see him keeping both Lewis and Polk. Polk's a guy he'll be super familiar with (Polk played at Washington) and Dion Lewis lost his job to a guy with serious potential. McCoy's the oldest RB at 24 or 25 so there's no need to draft another one.At WR, it's easy to write off guys like Cooper and Avant, but Chip flat out has said "if you don't block we aren't throwing to you." Blocking is something both guys do well, especially Avant. Plus Cooper has experience in the spread from his time at Florida and Avant seems like a good guy to have in the locker room.OL is what it is. The good news is Kelly's lines have been athletic and that's what Howard Mudd liked with his linemen so it shouldn't be a problem.
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JAA
Footballguy
No one can claim its a bad pick, especially if Joeckel isnt there
First nice article Jason the few players I disagree with you about areWr Riley Cooper- He is the only big target they have and he is a very good special teams players plus with Avant gone I think he would make a nice 3rd WrWr Damaris Johnson- I don't know a lot about Kelly's offense but from what I have read he seems like the type Kelly wants and he is cheap and a 5th WrTe Clay Harbor/Brent Celek- I much rather see them cut Harbor who IMO hasn't shown much and keep Celek while they groom a young Te. I know Celek has a nice salary but money isn't a big issue with the Eagles and Celek seems like one of the few leaders this team has.OT Dennis Kelly-I thought he played very well for a 5th round rookie and he is very cheap I don't see why we would not develop him more.OG Danny Watkins- He looked decent the second half of his rookie year so even though he was as bad as you can be last year I would give him one more shot away from Mudd's system.DT Mike Patterson- Patterson has battled a ton to even play again to me cutting him year one makes the Eagles look bad and this front office doesn't need more bad pressS Kurt Coleman- Eagles have a ton of needs and I don't see them fixing them all in one year I would keep Coleman as a back up and Special teams guy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I thought the same about Johnson. He seems like the type of player that could have a role in CK's offense.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
ok, so whats going on with QB?Foles doesnt seem like a fit, Vick kinda does but he's expensive. Dennis Dixon? really?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Last time was Branch in 2006. Maybe teams have gotten smarter since then and 1st round picks are more valuable now than they were in 2010. But good luck moving a WR.
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