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@RoobCSN: Foles has had a passer rating of at least 100 five times this year. Only Peyton & R. Wilson have had more. And Foles didn't start six games.
Incredible turnaround. And Washington shouldn't have had no more than 7 today.@caplannfl: Over their last 7 games, the #Eagles are holding opponents to just 17.4 points per game, compared to 27.5 over the first four games.
I get 34.5 over the first 4 games. 28.7 against the 3 teams without Peyton.Just helps to make the point about how they are getting better@caplannfl: Over their last 7 games, the #Eagles are holding opponents to just 17.4 points per game, compared to 27.5 over the first four games.
Maybe some was special teams they weren't counting.I get 34.5 over the first 4 games. 28.7 against the 3 teams without Peyton.Just makes the point about how they are getting better stronger.@caplannfl: Over their last 7 games, the #Eagles are holding opponents to just 17.4 points per game, compared to 27.5 over the first four games.
I don't think speculating anything Cooper says would be healthy..Anybody have any insight as to what shady was "discussing" with Riley cooper on the sideline late in that game? Duce staley looked like he was trying to calm him down
Maybe some was special teams they weren't counting.I get 34.5 over the first 4 games. 28.7 against the 3 teams without Peyton.Just makes the point about how they are getting better stronger.@caplannfl: Over their last 7 games, the #Eagles are holding opponents to just 17.4 points per game, compared to 27.5 over the first four games.
Could be. Not going to do all of the math. I wasn't trying to knock the post. I think the D has made very good strides this year. We have gone from a terrible defense that couldn't stop a team or get a TO to one that isn't great, but does have some play making ability and will generate some TO's. Very promising. I'm very happy at this point.Maybe some was special teams they weren't counting.I get 34.5 over the first 4 games. 28.7 against the 3 teams without Peyton.Just makes the point about how they are getting better stronger.@caplannfl: Over their last 7 games, the #Eagles are holding opponents to just 17.4 points per game, compared to 27.5 over the first four games.
Did you take out the scores by special teams and defense. I know DEN had two special teams scores and WAS had a defensive score.I get 34.5 over the first 4 games. 28.7 against the 3 teams without Peyton.Just helps to make the point about how they are getting better@caplannfl: Over their last 7 games, the #Eagles are holding opponents to just 17.4 points per game, compared to 27.5 over the first four games.
Kelly making naysayers look bad
Jeff McLane
November 18, 2013 3:01 AM
"I put the Eagles offense as one of my bottom five. Why did I do it? Not that they are one of the worst five units in the NFL. It's because, 'It's going to be one of the fastest units we've ever seen. What are you going to do to stop it? . . . It's going to be unbelievable.' How is that working out? Is it just the most unbelievable thing you've ever seen?"
- Phil Simms, Oct. 24
When reading the above quote, the first thing that comes to mind, aside from the irrationality of the thinking, is how much it seems Simms wanted Chip Kelly to fail, or at least for him to get his newfangled college offense handed to him for a season or two.
The old guard of the NFL doesn't like to see a newbie come into its league and have immediate success, and Simms said something without much support and something he likely will regret.
After 11 games and enough of a sample, Kelly has proved that his way works, and when defensive coordinators make adjustments, he's sharp enough to counter their moves.
The latest evidence came in the first half of the Eagles' 24-16 win over the Redskins. Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett had two months to prepare for the rematch and still couldn't slow Kelly's offense.
The Eagles had racked up 17 points and 261 yards, and averaged 9.3 yards a play by the break. After a 13-play, 80-yard drive to open the second half, the margin was 24-0.
The offense managed just 55 yards the rest of the way, and that's something Kelly will have to address, just as he needed to do after the first-half explosion in the first meeting. But that's splitting hairs.
For the ninth time this season the Eagles surpassed 400 total yards of offense - a franchise record. They became only the eighth team in NFL history with more than 2,800 yards passing and 1,600 yards rushing through 11 games.
LeSean McCoy eclipsed 1,000 yards rushing on Sunday, and DeSean Jackson finished just 15 yards shy of a grand. Kelly is maximizing the talents of his best two players on offense, but not by design. He is creating mismatches, and they are taking advantage, as they should.
"I don't look at it as individuals," Kelly said. "I look at it as a team. What are we doing as a team running, what are we doing as a team throwing? We ran the ball well some weeks and threw the ball well some weeks. I think you're going to get tested."
Despite the hype, Kelly really isn't much different from most successful NFL offensive coaches. He game-plans to exploit liabilities, and if a defense gives an alternative look, he will alter his play-calling to take what is given.
In the first half, Kelly said the Redskins secondary played soft. So when Nick Foles went to the air, he threw underneath and the Eagles' playmakers picked up plus yardage after the catch.
Jackson pulled in a short pass and raced 26 yards. Bryce Brown caught a screen and rumbled 24 yards. Another screen was set up, and Brent Celek zoomed 42 yards. (And a quick aside: Has the veteran tight end ever looked as fast?)
"The biggest thing is that he's creative in the play-calling," Jackson said of Kelly. "He knows how to get mismatches and how to move guys around."
Kelly's scheme also isn't drastically different from many of those that used the vertical pass and thrived over the last several decades in the NFL. Entering Sunday's game, Foles' percentage of downfield throws was greater than any other quarterback's.
And he was as accurate. He completed 13 deep passes (more than 20 yards), and 11 went for touchdowns. Simms and some of his ilk thought that Kelly didn't have vertical concepts in his Oregon offense, or would be reluctant to embrace them.
"We threw the ball down the field a ton," Kelly said Thursday. "The interesting thing when we were at Oregon is we were up at halftime by 40 points, so we ran the ball more in the second half. If you wanted me to go bombs away in the third, we could have scored 100 in a couple of games, but we're never going to do that."
Is the use of the zone read as the nucleus of his offense a new concept? No. Are his run-pass option package plays novel to the NFL? No. Was he the first to use an up-tempo offense? No.
But the combination and the adeptness at which he calls his offense have made Kelly successful in a short time. Wait till he gets his quarterback.
That's not to say Foles isn't the future. He may be. But Kelly has yet to say so, and watching Foles not maximize some of the yards he could have gained in the zone read makes you wonder whether Kelly ultimately wants a mobile quarterback.
But right now he has one that executes his offense, avoids mistakes (Foles has yet to toss an interception), and gets the ball into the hands of the franchise running back and wide receiver.
The Eagles gave McCoy and Jackson big contracts during the 2012 offseason. McCoy already has 1,009 yards rushing, along with 399 receiving. And Jackson is on pace to shatter all of his personal receiving records.
"I'm definitely happy about them," Jackson said, "but at the end of the day, a win is a more important thing to be happy about."
Kelly's offense isn't unbelievable, as Simms' straw man suggested it would be. But anyone who didn't believe he could thrive in the pros either wasn't paying attention or had ulterior motives for wanting him to fail.
Not surprising...as unpredictable as we were last year, this year is the opposite. Eagles had our # two times this year and made us look really bad and out of place. Both games only looked respectable in the end by the score as the Redskins only managed to salvage something with late heroics or push opposed to playing a solid game. Of course, our division has plenty wrong with it, but Eagles have made progressive changes and seem to be building one positive step at a time.@SheilKapadia: Re: Redskins predictability, interesting quote from Fletcher Cox: "Actually a few of the plays, I called them out before they happened."
I he was faking the hammy injury, he's a heckuva actor. He went down in a heap when he had more room to run.Does anyone think McCoy fakes these injuries? His ankle and hammy he both acted like he was dying then comes back out to play.
I doubt he fakes them. They probably do hurt like hell at the time.Does anyone think McCoy fakes these injuries? His ankle and hammy he both acted like he was dying then comes back out to play.
Just imagine this D with an Aldon Smith type of pass rusherYou can actually see the improvements with the team. If they can draft or sign some difference makers on defense and maybe bring in another receiver, this team could be downright scary.
Nice. Didn't see it. Need more of this.For anyone who missed McCoy ripping a Redskins banner from a Washington fan yesterday, here's a nice gif. Of course the article also takes a cheap, gratuitous shot at Philly fans.
Thats pretty shady, Shady. Its the Eagles fans, not the players, who are stereotypically supposed to act like boors.
I absolutely loved it. Get that #### out of our house.For anyone who missed McCoy ripping a Redskins banner from a Washington fan yesterday, here's a nice gif. Of course the article also takes a cheap, gratuitous shot at Philly fans.
That’s pretty shady, Shady. It’s the Eagles fans, not the players, who are stereotypically supposed to act like boors.
I absolutely loved it. Get that #### out of our house.For anyone who missed McCoy ripping a Redskins banner from a Washington fan yesterday, here's a nice gif. Of course the article also takes a cheap, gratuitous shot at Philly fans.
That’s pretty shady, Shady. It’s the Eagles fans, not the players, who are stereotypically supposed to act like boors.
I don't want him to name the starter officially. No one is angry, everyone is happy, and we're winning this way. No need to mess with anything now.Bigboy10182000 said:@EliotShorrParks: Chip Kelly on if it's ridiculous to ask who the starting quarterback is going forward: "Yes" #Eagles
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It'd be a very idiotic move to make any sort of switch now. Foles has earned the right to start from here on out.I don't want him to name the starter officially. No one is angry, everyone is happy, and we're winning this way. No need to mess with anything now.Bigboy10182000 said:@EliotShorrParks: Chip Kelly on if it's ridiculous to ask who the starting quarterback is going forward: "Yes" #Eagles
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Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I don't know but he was a 6th round pick so he probably didn't have any skill. The 15 games he started as a rookie he had 18 TD's and 12 picks to go along with a 63.9 completion percentage and 6.9 YPA.Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I dont listen to the Philly sports stations (Sirius subscriber), so what is their biggest complaint? My only guess is that he lacks any true running ability. Other than that, the guy seems to have all of the characteristics that anyone could ask for in a quality QB.I don't know but he was a 6th round pick so he probably didn't have any skill. The 15 games he started as a rookie he had 18 TD's and 12 picks to go along with a 63.9 completion percentage and 6.9 YPA.Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I'm not even saying Foles is top 5 good but WTF has to happen for people to say we have a good QB? I'm not even asking for great here but why not good?
Either people still remember Bobby Hoying and don't want to be fooled again, or they believe what the media has been spewing for weeks, not giving Foles an ounce of credit since he wasn't a first round pick.I don't know but he was a 6th round pick so he probably didn't have any skill. The 15 games he started as a rookie he had 18 TD's and 12 picks to go along with a 63.9 completion percentage and 6.9 YPA.Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I'm not even saying Foles is top 5 good but WTF has to happen for people to say we have a good QB? I'm not even asking for great here but why not good?
I would say that it is mainly the lack of pedigree, and secondarily, the lack of a "wow" factor. The guy is very smart and very efficient, but doesn't do that much that makes the average fan really take notice. So, I think that it is hard for people to overcome their perception that he is average at best, based on where he was drafted and the lack of hype.I dont listen to the Philly sports stations (Sirius subscriber), so what is their biggest complaint? My only guess is that he lacks any true running ability. Other than that, the guy seems to have all of the characteristics that anyone could ask for in a quality QB.I don't know but he was a 6th round pick so he probably didn't have any skill. The 15 games he started as a rookie he had 18 TD's and 12 picks to go along with a 63.9 completion percentage and 6.9 YPA.Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I'm not even saying Foles is top 5 good but WTF has to happen for people to say we have a good QB? I'm not even asking for great here but why not good?
Still a lot of people banging the "he's not a Chip Kelly guy" drum. Chip wants a running QB, etc. Arm strength brought into question routinely. A lot of people are simply convinced that Chip doesn't like him (his style of play) and this year's draft class has options for that. Perplexing to be honest. Guy has proven that he can get it done and if his ability allows us to go into the draft selecting nothing but LBers/DBs, how is that not an ideal situation?I dont listen to the Philly sports stations (Sirius subscriber), so what is their biggest complaint? My only guess is that he lacks any true running ability. Other than that, the guy seems to have all of the characteristics that anyone could ask for in a quality QB.I don't know but he was a 6th round pick so he probably didn't have any skill. The 15 games he started as a rookie he had 18 TD's and 12 picks to go along with a 63.9 completion percentage and 6.9 YPA.Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I'm not even saying Foles is top 5 good but WTF has to happen for people to say we have a good QB? I'm not even asking for great here but why not good?
This is what I don't get. 7 TDs against any professional Football team should be enough. The amount of starts and TDs with no int's is another. really just strange.I would say that it is mainly the lack of pedigree, and secondarily, the lack of a "wow" factor. The guy is very smart and very efficient, but doesn't do that much that makes the average fan really take notice. So, I think that it is hard for people to overcome their perception that he is average at best, based on where he was drafted and the lack of hype.I dont listen to the Philly sports stations (Sirius subscriber), so what is their biggest complaint? My only guess is that he lacks any true running ability. Other than that, the guy seems to have all of the characteristics that anyone could ask for in a quality QB.I don't know but he was a 6th round pick so he probably didn't have any skill. The 15 games he started as a rookie he had 18 TD's and 12 picks to go along with a 63.9 completion percentage and 6.9 YPA.Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I'm not even saying Foles is top 5 good but WTF has to happen for people to say we have a good QB? I'm not even asking for great here but why not good?
A lot of people are also tied to the notion that Chip wants a running QB, so I think that they assume he's not in it for the long haul anyway.
I don't get it either. If they draft a QB, we could only hope he was as successful as Foles has been. I think people just don't buy into him long-term. I'm not sure why; he's done nothing but impress every time he's been on the field with one exception - the Dallas game.I dont listen to the Philly sports stations (Sirius subscriber), so what is their biggest complaint? My only guess is that he lacks any true running ability. Other than that, the guy seems to have all of the characteristics that anyone could ask for in a quality QB.I don't know but he was a 6th round pick so he probably didn't have any skill. The 15 games he started as a rookie he had 18 TD's and 12 picks to go along with a 63.9 completion percentage and 6.9 YPA.Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I'm not even saying Foles is top 5 good but WTF has to happen for people to say we have a good QB? I'm not even asking for great here but why not good?
My guess is that these guys did not take notice of the "style of play" of the QB the Eagles traded up to draft past year.Still a lot of people banging the "he's not a Chip Kelly guy" drum. Chip wants a running QB, etc. Arm strength brought into question routinely. A lot of people are simply convinced that Chip doesn't like him (his style of play) and this year's draft class has options for that. Perplexing to be honest. Guy has proven that he can get it done and if his ability allows us to go into the draft selecting nothing but LBers/DBs, how is that not an ideal situation?I dont listen to the Philly sports stations (Sirius subscriber), so what is their biggest complaint? My only guess is that he lacks any true running ability. Other than that, the guy seems to have all of the characteristics that anyone could ask for in a quality QB.I don't know but he was a 6th round pick so he probably didn't have any skill. The 15 games he started as a rookie he had 18 TD's and 12 picks to go along with a 63.9 completion percentage and 6.9 YPA.Not comparing Foles to Brady as far as skill, however I wonder what Pats fans were thinking about him back in 2001I listened to 97.5 from 2:00 to 2:30 today and I have to say it's pretty damn depressing. I don't know what it is but people refuse to believe that Foles is legit. It was easily a 70-30 split with people saying they're not sure or don't believe
I'm not even saying Foles is top 5 good but WTF has to happen for people to say we have a good QB? I'm not even asking for great here but why not good?
I heard the Mikey Miss show too. Last week, he was pretty much doom and gloom. This week, he has he's a believer, but only if the Eagles win the division...weird stuff. It did sound like he was setting himself up for an "I told you so" at the end of the season, no matter which way it plays out. This guy really annoys me.Mikey Miss backing off his Foles is no good stance but setting a new level of proving himself. Now if the Eagles don't win the division that's an indictment on Foles. You can't make this stuff up.
He kept asking everyone if they finish 2-3, are you happy with Foles and someone finally said it depends how we lost the games. If foles plays well and the defense gives up 35 a game, how's that his fault? To which Mike dismisses with if they go 2-3 chances are the qb played bad. Then hangs up. Classic schtick here.
Even 94.1 with Ant and Glen who are the ultimate cheerleaders can't totally buy into Foles because they believe in "pedigree."
Basically the media are the only holdouts left on the Foles train and they are seeking out callers who agree at this point.
If we win the division at 9-7 or 10-6, the new measure will be a playoff win. Then another to the point that if he doesn't win the nfc championship or super bowl he's a failure.I heard the Mikey Miss show too. Last week, he was pretty much doom and gloom. This week, he has he's a believer, but only if the Eagles win the division...weird stuff. It did sound like he was setting himself up for an "I told you so" at the end of the season, no matter which way it plays out. This guy really annoys me. He also said the division is practically a lock, even though we're in a tie after next week or have two teams one game out.Mikey Miss backing off his Foles is no good stance but setting a new level of proving himself. Now if the Eagles don't win the division that's an indictment on Foles. You can't make this stuff up.
He kept asking everyone if they finish 2-3, are you happy with Foles and someone finally said it depends how we lost the games. If foles plays well and the defense gives up 35 a game, how's that his fault? To which Mike dismisses with if they go 2-3 chances are the qb played bad. Then hangs up. Classic schtick here.
Even 94.1 with Ant and Glen who are the ultimate cheerleaders can't totally buy into Foles because they believe in "pedigree."
Basically the media are the only holdouts left on the Foles train and they are seeking out callers who agree at this point.
Mike and Ike? Yeah, they'd be the only ones I'd listen to as well. Everything else is garbage and strip club advertisements.Lesson Number 1 in Philadelphia Sports Talk: Listen to WIP from 10a-1p on Saturdays. Avoid all else.
No, he's referring to the MacNow/Diddinger show.Mike and Ike? Yeah, they'd be the only ones I'd listen to as well. Everything else is garbage and strip club advertisements.Lesson Number 1 in Philadelphia Sports Talk: Listen to WIP from 10a-1p on Saturdays. Avoid all else.
Half the show anyway.No, he's referring to the MacNow/Diddinger show.Mike and Ike? Yeah, they'd be the only ones I'd listen to as well. Everything else is garbage and strip club advertisements.Lesson Number 1 in Philadelphia Sports Talk: Listen to WIP from 10a-1p on Saturdays. Avoid all else.
I thought Diddinger and MacNow were only weekends. But I forgot about them too. I don't mind Barkann or Ike Reese either though.Half the show anyway.No, he's referring to the MacNow/Diddinger show.Mike and Ike? Yeah, they'd be the only ones I'd listen to as well. Everything else is garbage and strip club advertisements.Lesson Number 1 in Philadelphia Sports Talk: Listen to WIP from 10a-1p on Saturdays. Avoid all else.
I thought Diddinger and MacNow were only weekends. But I forgot about them too. I don't mind Barkann or Ike Reese either though.Half the show anyway.No, he's referring to the MacNow/Diddinger show.Mike and Ike? Yeah, they'd be the only ones I'd listen to as well. Everything else is garbage and strip club advertisements.Lesson Number 1 in Philadelphia Sports Talk: Listen to WIP from 10a-1p on Saturdays. Avoid all else.
Like I said in the Foles thread, we may look back in 10 years and say Chip Kelly and Nick Foles are one of the greatest coach - quarterback combos. I started out just wanting to see more of him and now I'm sold. I think he's the guy we've always begged for.ShaHBucks said:Insein, I still believe he has to "overprove" himself like Russel Wilson did to become some media darling. People already made their mind up that Foles isn't good. Perception is everything. I even heard Herm Edwards say Foles wouldn't beat out Vick because he wasn't a 1st round pick. My thought were immediatly, Foles aside, no wonder you're not a coach anymore because you can't even evaluate talent.
For the time being eveyone is just waiting for this to end because they just know it will, so they will keep raising the bar higher so they can say "I told you so." I ended a dispute with a buddy a few days ago saying "If it was Andrew Luck your panties would be wet." I was questioning if Chip was just lucky Vick was hurt and that Foles will end up making them look genius after my friend stated Howie should still look for a QB in the draft 1st rd.
This is a problem with business decision making in general. Too may gut feelings prevail over factual evidence. We're getting closer to the point were it's like debating wether 2+2=4.