*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (2 Viewers)

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Guys, we just have to hope that Kelly really is the smartest guy in the room. If you look at what Luck's, Wilson's and some other QBs stats have been their first ten games than Foles is totally legit. They had WORSE games than he had at Dallas.

It's been clear since pre-season that this kid is SHARP. He gets it. He can make great decisions, doesn't turn the ball over and seems to make much better use of all his weapons. Vick while the superior athletic talent looks like an 8th grader trying to take masters level college course by comparison.

So he Foles doesn't have a 4.3 40. So what! He was recruited to play basketball. He has good footwork (more import any than straight line speed) and he's athletic. People forget Drew Brees was a highly rated tennis player. That foot work has served him well too.

Didenger is the only guy to invest in. Mikey Miss is a tool and if you listen to his show at 2:00 on Monday (I have it in in the background) the same few callers keep buzzing in to hammer Foles. Ike Reese can suck it too. He's been anti-Foles along with Westbrook throughout. I've lost all respect for Ike and I used to enjoy him. Herm Edwards? What more to say here. Like another guy pointed out, there's a reason he's calling in stupid 97.5 instead of coaching.

People keep making these sweeping assumptions about Kelly and I just have to believe he knows what he's doing. To not give Foles at least next year and build the D through the draft would be madness.

We got a guy with great hight, smarts, accuracy and toughness too. It would be a crime to pass him up for some 200 pound "athlete" likely to get hurt. I don't think RG3 last 5 years in this league and if it wasn't for Garson being a contortionist, he wouldn't complete a pass. Foles is deadly getting the ball in stride. You dont have to have a rocket arm if your accurate and let guys catch and run.

And the league is still waiting for that running QB to win it all...

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And WTF does Herm Edwards know about QB's?!?

 

[Insein]

And WTF does Herm Edwards know about QB's?!?

Actually Herm has been pretty emphatic all week that he was wrong. He's been singing Foles praises all week. Basically saying he wins and doesn't turn the ball over. What's not to love. In his Herm language.

 

[Amused to Death]

Didenger is the only guy to invest in. Mikey Miss is a tool and if you listen to his show at 2:00 on Monday (I have it in in the background) the same few callers keep buzzing in to hammer Foles. Ike Reese can suck it too. He's been anti-Foles along with Westbrook throughout. I've lost all respect for Ike and I used to enjoy him. Herm Edwards? What more to say here. Like another guy pointed out, there's a reason he's calling in stupid 97.5 instead of coaching.

I heard Jaws on 97.5 I guess yesterday. Missanelli brought up Herm's opinion of Foles and Jaws came back with something like "what does Herm know about QB talent? He had Brodie Croyle!" I laughed.

Trotter's been on Foles' bandwagon all year long. He says Foles just runs the offense better than Vick. I can't disagree.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Didenger is the only guy to invest in. Mikey Miss is a tool and if you listen to his show at 2:00 on Monday (I have it in in the background) the same few callers keep buzzing in to hammer Foles. Ike Reese can suck it too. He's been anti-Foles along with Westbrook throughout. I've lost all respect for Ike and I used to enjoy him. Herm Edwards? What more to say here. Like another guy pointed out, there's a reason he's calling in stupid 97.5 instead of coaching.

I heard Jaws on 97.5 I guess yesterday. Missanelli brought up Herm's opinion of Foles and Jaws came back with something like "what does Herm know about QB talent? He had Brodie Croyle!" I laughed.Trotter's been on Foles' bandwagon all year long. He says Foles just runs the offense better than Vick. I can't disagree.

You're right about Trotter. I should have mentioned that. Good job ATD!

 

[ShaHBucks]

http://chipwagon.typepad.com/eagles/2013/11/how-good-is-nick-foles-bye-week-edition.html

 

[jon007]

IMO the Read Option is skewed a bit from college to pros. In the pros all you should ask your QB to get is positive yards > first downs > then slide or get out of bounds. Foles can definitely do that if he keeps the Read Option within his ability.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@adamlevitan: ProFootballFocus' worst 5 run-blocking teams so far: 32)Jaguars 31)Bills 30)Jets 29)Ravens 28)Bucs. Best five: 1)PHL 2)CAR 3)TEN 4)SF 5)CHI.

From PFF:

Philadelphia Eagles: LeSean McCoy has faced defenses with five or more defensive backs on 90.1% of his carries which is the highest rate in the league for those with at least 40 carries. Bryce Brown is third at 83.0%.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

If anyone cares:

@Jeff_McLane: #Eagles P Donnie Jones named NFC Special Teams player of the week. 2nd Eagles punter to do so (Sean Landeta, 2001).

 

[ShaHBucks]

@adamlevitan: ProFootballFocus' worst 5 run-blocking teams so far: 32)Jaguars 31)Bills 30)Jets 29)Ravens 28)Bucs. Best five: 1)PHL 2)CAR 3)TEN 4)SF 5)CHI.

From PFF:

Philadelphia Eagles: LeSean McCoy has faced defenses with five or more defensive backs on 90.1% of his carries which is the highest rate in the league for those with at least 40 carries. Bryce Brown is third at 83.0%.

The cool part is this is all by design from Chip

 

[Deamon]

bye weeks are boring

 

[dhockster]

I was just reading the Foles discussion and people's attitude towards him.

If Andrew Luck had people believing he should be rookie of the year last year with a 54% completion percentage, 23 TD's and 18 int's, can you imagine

what people would have been saying about him if he had a 7 TD game and had thrown 16 total TD's and 0 ints?

He would have been anointed the greatest QB of all time. As someone said, people are just looking to prove how smart they are when they predicted Luck would be can't-miss (which, by

the way, he is pretty good) or Foles would be mediocre. They try not to let facts and performance get in the way of their opinions.

 

[unckeyherb]

I've never understood the weight given to draft spots and 'pedigree'..

One of the biggest arguments I've heard is that since he wasn't a "first round talent" he can't excel in the NFL, rather can only be 'serviceable'. I've always felt that once you get in pads and on an NFL field, all bets are off, so to speak.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I've never understood the weight given to draft spots and 'pedigree'..

One of the biggest arguments I've heard is that since he wasn't a "first round talent" he can't excel in the NFL, rather can only be 'serviceable'. I've always felt that once you get in pads and on an NFL field, all bets are off, so to speak.

Agreed, plenty of first round QB's that have absolutely sucked.

 

[babydemon90]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

 

[ShaHBucks]

We have arguably the best QB in a QB class for the ages. I'm not saying he's better than Luck, even though his stats are, but it's time bring the debate there. I'm done discusing is he a good QB or can he fit some system. That's laughable at this point.

 

[Deamon]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

We have arguably the best QB in a QB class for the ages. I'm not saying he's better than Luck, even though his stats are, but it's time bring the debate there. I'm done discusing is he a good QB or can he fit some system. That's laughable at this point.

No chance 8-10 teams give up a first rounder for him. Doubt a single team would. Not saying he's not worth it, but 1st round picks are very valued in this league

 

[iamkoza]

i'm guessing bye week teams dont have to release an injury report... but do any eagle fans know for sure McCoy doesnt have a hamstring issue? I've seen zero updates on him other than postgame comments pointing towards a cramp rather than a hammy problem. I can't find any articles this week discussing his health.

I like mccoy a lot ROS if he is healthy.... thanks for any news you may be able to provide.

 

[Irish Chaos]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

We have arguably the best QB in a QB class for the ages. I'm not saying he's better than Luck, even though his stats are, but it's time bring the debate there. I'm done discusing is he a good QB or can he fit some system. That's laughable at this point.

No chance 8-10 teams give up a first rounder for him. Doubt a single team would. Not saying he's not worth it, but 1st round picks are very valued in this league

You sure you dont want to retract this statement. Is Foles > Trent Richardson? I say yes. And QBs have a longer shelf life. There would easily be 3 teams that would give up a 1st round pick. maybe not a 2014 but certainly a 2015.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

We have arguably the best QB in a QB class for the ages. I'm not saying he's better than Luck, even though his stats are, but it's time bring the debate there. I'm done discusing is he a good QB or can he fit some system. That's laughable at this point.

No chance 8-10 teams give up a first rounder for him. Doubt a single team would. Not saying he's not worth it, but 1st round picks are very valued in this league

You sure you dont want to retract this statement. Is Foles > Trent Richardson? I say yes. And QBs have a longer shelf life. There would easily be 3 teams that would give up a 1st round pick. maybe not a 2014 but certainly a 2015.

Nah, the market for the highest rated QB in the league who is only 24 is nonexistent obviously.

 

[Deamon]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

We have arguably the best QB in a QB class for the ages. I'm not saying he's better than Luck, even though his stats are, but it's time bring the debate there. I'm done discusing is he a good QB or can he fit some system. That's laughable at this point.

No chance 8-10 teams give up a first rounder for him. Doubt a single team would. Not saying he's not worth it, but 1st round picks are very valued in this league

You sure you dont want to retract this statement. Is Foles > Trent Richardson? I say yes. And QBs have a longer shelf life. There would easily be 3 teams that would give up a 1st round pick. maybe not a 2014 but certainly a 2015.

At the time of the trade, no chance Foles > Richardson. Easy to look back on that now, but even now, no team would give a first rounder for Richardson. So yes, at the time of that trade, richardsons value was higher then foles' is right now.

Teams are a bit more cautious after the Palmer->Oakland, Kolb->Arizona disasters. I could MAYBE see 1-2 teams offering it up, but based on how small a sample size he has, teams aren't going to throw away a first round pick in this qb-loaded draft for him like its no big deal. Most of the teams needing qbs have bad records and are likely going to draft a qb in the first 10 picks of next years draft. So no, as much as I love what Foles is doing, no I don't want to retract my statement. I don't see 8-10 teams jumping up to give up a top 10 pick in next year's qb filled draft for Foles right now.

The only teams that might even consider trading a first rounder for a qb are The Jets, Browns, Jags, Texans, Raiders, Minny, Tampa, Rams. Half of those are going to get a top 10 pick and draft a franchise QB. Getting a first round pick next year by more then maybe 1-2 teams (and I think none would) doesn't seem plausible.

 

[Deamon]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

Which 8-10 teams do you think would give up a first rounder for him today?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

Which 8-10 teams do you think would give up a first rounder for him today?

I think for a 2014 1st: CLE, MIN, HOU, TEN, and possibly MIA, STL

For a 2015 1st: JAX, TB

 

[babydemon90]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

Which 8-10 teams do you think would give up a first rounder for him today?

The QB nature of the draft would probably deflate his value for some of the obvious candidates. There are what, 3 QB's grading in the top 15? So take Jax, Min, and Houston out, who if this draft class was the same QB talent as last draft probably would.

I can see Arizona, Pitt, Cleveland, Tenn, Oakland, Chicago. Maybe Rams, maybe Bucs (not sure how they feel on Glennon - he is doing pretty well for a rookie, I can see them wanting to give him a shot). Frankly, I wouldn't want the Eagles to give up Foles for a 1st from any of these teams.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

why would you trade a QB who is actually providing it on the field, I get he wasnt hand chosen by Chip. But the kids young, playing well and could get better.

 

[Insein]

If he keeps playing like this, he won't be getting traded. So the argument is moot.

 

[Deamon]

Do you think MIN would trade Ponder for him, or Jax would trade Gabbert for him? In a heartbeat! I'd bet if we put him on the trading block right now, we would get a 8-10 teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.

Which 8-10 teams do you think would give up a first rounder for him today?

The QB nature of the draft would probably deflate his value for some of the obvious candidates. There are what, 3 QB's grading in the top 15? So take Jax, Min, and Houston out, who if this draft class was the same QB talent as last draft probably would.

I can see Arizona, Pitt, Cleveland, Tenn, Oakland, Chicago. Maybe Rams, maybe Bucs (not sure how they feel on Glennon - he is doing pretty well for a rookie, I can see them wanting to give him a shot). Frankly, I wouldn't want the Eagles to give up Foles for a 1st from any of these teams.

Probably 4 in the top 15: Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr, Mariota.

If you think Arizona would offer us a 1st after they traded us for Kolb 2 years ago, you're nuts. They learned their lesson and that past mistake would be enough reason for them to shy away from any offer to us. To an extent, I think Oakland is the same and after Palmer, etc... they're going to be slightly more careful with their first round picks... and isn't going to throw a 1st rounder at a risky QB again.

Pitt still has Ben and yes they may want to start thinking about the future, but to offer up a first round pick? Not happening. Chicago is in the same boat with Cutler, and St. Louis with Bradford. I think Tenn still has Locker in their long term plans. Not arguing that Foles might not be better then any of the above qb's but he simply isn't viewed as an elite qb that is a huge upgrade over Cutler, Bradford, Locker, Ben right now.

Leaves us with maybe Cleve and the Bucs who as of now might think Foles was a big upgrade over their current qb situation. Still think you are placing too much value on how good you/we think Foles is, and too little value on how important a first round pick is. He's played great and I'm a believer, but trades like this never happen in the league (of course their are exceptions like Cutler and Trich). I'd be very shocked if many teams put a first round grade on Foles right now, and even if every team did, that still leaves maybe 2 teams who would make that offer. 8-10 teams surely wouldn't be throwing that pick at us for him.

 

[Deamon]

If he keeps playing like this, he won't be getting traded. So the argument is moot.

I don't think he's going anywhere anyways, my point was just that I don't think there's a large number of teams willing to part with a 1st rounder for him right now. Deadline has passed anyways, and can't see us trading him in the offseason if he keeps this up.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

 

[Insein]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Gianta but not Cruz or Andre Brown.

 

[renesauz]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Gotta root for the Giants....but it's painful to do so. Maybe a 3-0 win?

 

[Deamon]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Giants. Dallas has an easier schedule so I think they're more our competition then the Giants, despite the fact that the Giants have been playing well lately and Dallas hasn't.

I REALLY don't want the div to come down to that week 17 matchup in Dallas :S

 

[Late225]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Giants. Dallas has an easier schedule so I think they're more our competition then the Giants, despite the fact that the Giants have been playing well lately and Dallas hasn't.

I REALLY don't want the div to come down to that week 17 matchup in Dallas :S

Playing Romo in a week 17 game that matters? That is potentially be the easiest game in the NFL.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'm rooting for Dal +3…

 

[Dr Oadi]

Great. So now the Eagles need the redskins to beat the Cowboys ( and win all theirs ) in order to have the same division record.

 

[renesauz]

Great. So now the Eagles need the redskins to beat the Cowboys ( and win all theirs ) in order to have the same division record.

Dallas still has Oakland and Green Bay (with Rodgers back by then) and road games at Chicago and Washington. Would expect them to lose at least 1, probably 2 of those.

Philly still has Arizona, Detroit, and Chicago at home, and a road game at Minny. Would expect Philly to win at least 2, probably 3 of those.

Looks very likely the division will come down to week 17 at Dallas either way. I kind of like those odds.

 

[Deamon]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Giants. Dallas has an easier schedule so I think they're more our competition then the Giants, despite the fact that the Giants have been playing well lately and Dallas hasn't.

I REALLY don't want the div to come down to that week 17 matchup in Dallas :S

Playing Romo in a week 17 game that matters? That is potentially be the easiest game in the NFL.

You mean like the week 17 2010 Philly/Dallas game for the division title when they spanked us?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not sure if the Cards are that good or the Colts are that bad but this weeks game is shaping up to be a good one as hot as both of our teams are.

 

[Late225]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Giants. Dallas has an easier schedule so I think they're more our competition then the Giants, despite the fact that the Giants have been playing well lately and Dallas hasn't.

I REALLY don't want the div to come down to that week 17 matchup in Dallas :S

Playing Romo in a week 17 game that matters? That is potentially be the easiest game in the NFL.

You mean like the week 17 2010 Philly/Dallas game for the division title when they spanked us?

Only if Nick Foles plays the air guitar during player intros.

 

[Insein]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Giants. Dallas has an easier schedule so I think they're more our competition then the Giants, despite the fact that the Giants have been playing well lately and Dallas hasn't.

I REALLY don't want the div to come down to that week 17 matchup in Dallas :S

Playing Romo in a week 17 game that matters? That is potentially be the easiest game in the NFL.

You mean like the week 17 2010 Philly/Dallas game for the division title when they spanked us?

Only if Nick Foles plays the air guitar during player intros.

Air guitar was the wild card game.

 

[Late225]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Giants. Dallas has an easier schedule so I think they're more our competition then the Giants, despite the fact that the Giants have been playing well lately and Dallas hasn't.

I REALLY don't want the div to come down to that week 17 matchup in Dallas :S

Playing Romo in a week 17 game that matters? That is potentially be the easiest game in the NFL.

You mean like the week 17 2010 Philly/Dallas game for the division title when they spanked us?

Only if Nick Foles plays the air guitar during player intros.

Air guitar was the wild card game.

I'm getting old.

 

[Bushead]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Giants. Dallas has an easier schedule so I think they're more our competition then the Giants, despite the fact that the Giants have been playing well lately and Dallas hasn't.

I REALLY don't want the div to come down to that week 17 matchup in Dallas :S

Playing Romo in a week 17 game that matters? That is potentially be the easiest game in the NFL.

You mean like the week 17 2010 Philly/Dallas game for the division title when they spanked us?

Hoping for something closer to the week 17 2008 version...

 

[CentralPA]

Not sure if the Cards are that good or the Colts are that bad but this weeks game is shaping up to be a good one as hot as both of our teams are.

They looked pretty good but I think if the D can get pressure on Palmer he'll fold like a chair. It's still going to be a tough game against that D though.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Who are we rooting for today? Dallas to Giants?

Giants. Dallas has an easier schedule so I think they're more our competition then the Giants, despite the fact that the Giants have been playing well lately and Dallas hasn't.

I REALLY don't want the div to come down to that week 17 matchup in Dallas :S

Playing Romo in a week 17 game that matters? That is potentially be the easiest game in the NFL.

You mean like the week 17 2010 Philly/Dallas game for the division title when they spanked us?

Only if Nick Foles plays the air guitar during player intros.

Air guitar was the wild card game.

I'm getting old.

That's ok, it was equally horrible.

 

[Insein]

Not to get too far ahead but the #3 seed is attainable. NFC North is in falling down and we play all of them. Playing the 6 seed at home is better than playing Carolina or New Orleans at home. Again, not trying to look too far ahead but it's all right there for them to grab. This 5 game stretch will be the first big test of Chip's career.

 

[Deamon]

Not to get too far ahead but the #3 seed is attainable. NFC North is in falling down and we play all of them. Playing the 6 seed at home is better than playing Carolina or New Orleans at home. Again, not trying to look too far ahead but it's all right there for them to grab. This 5 game stretch will be the first big test of Chip's career.

Ya we have some tough weeks coming up, that's for sure. San Fran could be a scary 5 seed too though. I think both wild cards may even be favoured to win their first round games.

As for this week, I'm kinda scared of Arizona. Hoping the week off and home field will help us. I think it helps that we are staying a 1pm kickoff, Arizona isn't used to playing that early, or in that cold.

 

[Amused to Death]

As for this week, I'm kinda scared of Arizona. Hoping the week off and home field will help us. I think it helps that we are staying a 1pm kickoff, Arizona isn't used to playing that early, or in that cold.

Me too. I have a feeling we come back to Earth a bit this week.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I think we put pressure on Palmer and he is exposed for who he is.

I also think the Cardinals are a bit over rated. They have wins against: Lions, Bucs, Panthers, Falcons, Texans, Jags, & Colts

Only one of those teams are in the top 10 offenses (yards per game or total points)

 

[ShaHBucks]

I have no fear of Carson Palmer at all.

 

[babydemon90]

Larry Fitzgerald , on the other hand, typically has career days against us...