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*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (1 Viewer)

You guys act like I don't know everything you telling me already. I do have eyes and access to google. I don't have a uninformed opinion, but a real argument made from statistics and logic that you can blow past if you like. Yes I mentioned a name none of you care about in Andre Roberts. If you can put him in this system with Kelly-Foles I'd bet anyone he'd be just as productive. They only catch would be he'd cost a tenth of the price, allowing you to spend the money elsewhere. Just look at Cooper. He scored almost as many TDs as Desean for around 6-700k. But I forgot, I was high as hell when I made bold statements about Cooper too.

No good teams are paying top dollar for WR and RB these days. If you think overpaying for a receiver is smart then Det should have a few superbowls by now, Fitz should make the playoffs more often, Josh Gordon ect.. I'll say the same about McCoy when it's his day. Spend the money 12m on the Oline and a few late round RBs and not miss a beat like NE has done for a decade. Really, wake me up when AP or CJ2K win a playoff game.

 
You guys act like I don't know everything you telling me already. I do have eyes and access to google. I don't have a uninformed opinion, but a real argument made from statistics and logic that you can blow past if you like. Yes I mentioned a name none of you care about in Andre Roberts. If you can put him in this system with Kelly-Foles I'd bet anyone he'd be just as productive. They only catch would be he'd cost a tenth of the price, allowing you to spend the money elsewhere. Just look at Cooper. He scored almost as many TDs as Desean for around 6-700k. But I forgot, I was high as hell when I made bold statements about Cooper too.

No good teams are paying top dollar for WR and RB these days. If you think overpaying for a receiver is smart then Det should have a few superbowls by now, Fitz should make the playoffs more often, Josh Gordon ect.. I'll say the same about McCoy when it's his day. Spend the money 12m on the Oline and a few late round RBs and not miss a beat like NE has done for a decade. Really, wake me up when AP or CJ2K win a playoff game.
He is not making 12m. He took less guaranteed money for a higher per year payout, see Revis deal. Garcon is getting paid around 8 a year but had twice as much guaranteed. With a receiver the size of Jackson, it is a fair deal for both sides. Guy returns punts as well. He earned his payday. If he had a bad year or got hurt, he would have been cut or forced to restructure.

 
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You guys act like I don't know everything you telling me already. I do have eyes and access to google. I don't have a uninformed opinion, but a real argument made from statistics and logic that you can blow past if you like. Yes I mentioned a name none of you care about in Andre Roberts. If you can put him in this system with Kelly-Foles I'd bet anyone he'd be just as productive. They only catch would be he'd cost a tenth of the price, allowing you to spend the money elsewhere. Just look at Cooper. He scored almost as many TDs as Desean for around 6-700k. But I forgot, I was high as hell when I made bold statements about Cooper too.

No good teams are paying top dollar for WR and RB these days. If you think overpaying for a receiver is smart then Det should have a few superbowls by now, Fitz should make the playoffs more often, Josh Gordon ect.. I'll say the same about McCoy when it's his day. Spend the money 12m on the Oline and a few late round RBs and not miss a beat like NE has done for a decade. Really, wake me up when AP or CJ2K win a playoff game.
I get the logical aspect of it if these were cogs in a machine or Madden franchise mode. However, this is a real team with real people in the locker room. If they play hard ball with a guy like DeSean who just had a career year, finished top 10 at WR, is only 27 and just signed a big deal, then how do you keep loyalty from any of them? We just got done hearing how much fun they had this year under Kelly and that they like playing for the guy. So if the GM were to come to the #1 WR he just paid big money to produce after said WR produces better than he ever has and says, "take less money or walk," how will every player in that locker room take that?

 
You guys act like I don't know everything you telling me already. I do have eyes and access to google. I don't have a uninformed opinion, but a real argument made from statistics and logic that you can blow past if you like. Yes I mentioned a name none of you care about in Andre Roberts. If you can put him in this system with Kelly-Foles I'd bet anyone he'd be just as productive. They only catch would be he'd cost a tenth of the price, allowing you to spend the money elsewhere. Just look at Cooper. He scored almost as many TDs as Desean for around 6-700k. But I forgot, I was high as hell when I made bold statements about Cooper too.

No good teams are paying top dollar for WR and RB these days. If you think overpaying for a receiver is smart then Det should have a few superbowls by now, Fitz should make the playoffs more often, Josh Gordon ect.. I'll say the same about McCoy when it's his day. Spend the money 12m on the Oline and a few late round RBs and not miss a beat like NE has done for a decade. Really, wake me up when AP or CJ2K win a playoff game.
I get the logical aspect of it if these were cogs in a machine or Madden franchise mode. However, this is a real team with real people in the locker room. If they play hard ball with a guy like DeSean who just had a career year, finished top 10 at WR, is only 27 and just signed a big deal, then how do you keep loyalty from any of them? We just got done hearing how much fun they had this year under Kelly and that they like playing for the guy. So if the GM were to come to the #1 WR he just paid big money to produce after said WR produces better than he ever has and says, "take less money or walk," how will every player in that locker room take that?
The same way Wes Welker's teammates did.
 
You guys act like I don't know everything you telling me already. I do have eyes and access to google. I don't have a uninformed opinion, but a real argument made from statistics and logic that you can blow past if you like. Yes I mentioned a name none of you care about in Andre Roberts. If you can put him in this system with Kelly-Foles I'd bet anyone he'd be just as productive. They only catch would be he'd cost a tenth of the price, allowing you to spend the money elsewhere. Just look at Cooper. He scored almost as many TDs as Desean for around 6-700k. But I forgot, I was high as hell when I made bold statements about Cooper too.

No good teams are paying top dollar for WR and RB these days. If you think overpaying for a receiver is smart then Det should have a few superbowls by now, Fitz should make the playoffs more often, Josh Gordon ect.. I'll say the same about McCoy when it's his day. Spend the money 12m on the Oline and a few late round RBs and not miss a beat like NE has done for a decade. Really, wake me up when AP or CJ2K win a playoff game.
He is not making 12m. He took less guaranteed money for a higher per year payout, see Revis deal. Garcon is getting paid around 8 a year but had twice as much guaranteed. With a receiver the size of Jackson, it is a fair deal for both sides. Guy returns punts as well. He earned his payday. If he had a bad year or got hurt, he would have been cut or forced to restructure.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/desean-jackson/
 
You guys act like I don't know everything you telling me already. I do have eyes and access to google. I don't have a uninformed opinion, but a real argument made from statistics and logic that you can blow past if you like. Yes I mentioned a name none of you care about in Andre Roberts. If you can put him in this system with Kelly-Foles I'd bet anyone he'd be just as productive. They only catch would be he'd cost a tenth of the price, allowing you to spend the money elsewhere. Just look at Cooper. He scored almost as many TDs as Desean for around 6-700k. But I forgot, I was high as hell when I made bold statements about Cooper too.

No good teams are paying top dollar for WR and RB these days. If you think overpaying for a receiver is smart then Det should have a few superbowls by now, Fitz should make the playoffs more often, Josh Gordon ect.. I'll say the same about McCoy when it's his day. Spend the money 12m on the Oline and a few late round RBs and not miss a beat like NE has done for a decade. Really, wake me up when AP or CJ2K win a playoff game.
He is not making 12m. He took less guaranteed money for a higher per year payout, see Revis deal. Garcon is getting paid around 8 a year but had twice as much guaranteed. With a receiver the size of Jackson, it is a fair deal for both sides. Guy returns punts as well. He earned his payday. If he had a bad year or got hurt, he would have been cut or forced to restructure.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/desean-jackson/
He already got the signing bonus. 10 mil. That site is just showing the proration over the maximum length of time, 5 years. He would be a 6.5 dead because if they cut him, the 6 million in his 10 million bonus could not be prorated. He will make 10.75 next year if he does not get hurt. He made 750k last year plus 10mil signing bonus. 10.25 salary(not guaranteed) 250k work out (if he attends contract mandated workouts and not hurt) 250k guaranteed for 1300 yards. 250k guaranteed if Eagles win super bowl. So possible 11 mil, but 6.5 mil cap hit if cut.(not cap hit but dead money cap hit if that is how the terms are used) That touchdown called back for the Foles block may have cost him another 250k. Probably mad at the ref.

 
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ShaHBucks said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
ShaHBucks said:
Well this isn't the 1st or last time none of you will agree with me. You can replace Desean Jackson. It's not like I'm talking about Calvin Johnson. Most of the smart teams in the league are gearing towards not paying big bucks to skill positions anymore. As long as we have Foles-Kelly a small WR will be a dime a dozen. No need to overpay. None of our wr have much leverage.
I agree about the leverage but I was taking a "if it ain't broke"'approach with Jackson. If we have the money there's not need to make it an issue.
I was talking about the WR as a whole and exploring all options. But supposedly we should build a statue for DJax and I'm stupid for thinking otherwise. I wasn't trying to take it there. I'm done actually.
No idea where this is coming from. Who's building a statue for him? He just got 1332 yards and 9 tds. That's #1 production. So what if we're overpaying him now. We underpaid him the first few years of his career. It all evens out. We got the cap space. As long as he produces, they aren't going to mess with him. How would it look if you came to Shady right now and asked him to restructure after having the best year of his career? That would be the same as Desean.
The last time we talked about Desean. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=665215&view=findpost&p=15648385

He's not doing anything different since.

 
You guys act like I don't know everything you telling me already. I do have eyes and access to google. I don't have a uninformed opinion, but a real argument made from statistics and logic that you can blow past if you like. Yes I mentioned a name none of you care about in Andre Roberts. If you can put him in this system with Kelly-Foles I'd bet anyone he'd be just as productive. They only catch would be he'd cost a tenth of the price, allowing you to spend the money elsewhere. Just look at Cooper. He scored almost as many TDs as Desean for around 6-700k. But I forgot, I was high as hell when I made bold statements about Cooper too.

No good teams are paying top dollar for WR and RB these days. If you think overpaying for a receiver is smart then Det should have a few superbowls by now, Fitz should make the playoffs more often, Josh Gordon ect.. I'll say the same about McCoy when it's his day. Spend the money 12m on the Oline and a few late round RBs and not miss a beat like NE has done for a decade. Really, wake me up when AP or CJ2K win a playoff game.
I get the logical aspect of it if these were cogs in a machine or Madden franchise mode. However, this is a real team with real people in the locker room. If they play hard ball with a guy like DeSean who just had a career year, finished top 10 at WR, is only 27 and just signed a big deal, then how do you keep loyalty from any of them? We just got done hearing how much fun they had this year under Kelly and that they like playing for the guy. So if the GM were to come to the #1 WR he just paid big money to produce after said WR produces better than he ever has and says, "take less money or walk," how will every player in that locker room take that?
The same way Wes Welker's teammates did.
Wes Welker's 32 with a history of injury in recent years. And his teammates weren't too happy with it. Plus, they really could have used him. This was their worst statistical year from the WR position in the Brady era. The only reason they got away with it is because it's the Patriots. Bill Bellichek is the coach and they have 3 trophies on the shelf already.

 
ShaHBucks said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
ShaHBucks said:
Well this isn't the 1st or last time none of you will agree with me. You can replace Desean Jackson. It's not like I'm talking about Calvin Johnson. Most of the smart teams in the league are gearing towards not paying big bucks to skill positions anymore. As long as we have Foles-Kelly a small WR will be a dime a dozen. No need to overpay. None of our wr have much leverage.
I agree about the leverage but I was taking a "if it ain't broke"'approach with Jackson. If we have the money there's not need to make it an issue.
I was talking about the WR as a whole and exploring all options. But supposedly we should build a statue for DJax and I'm stupid for thinking otherwise. I wasn't trying to take it there. I'm done actually.
No idea where this is coming from. Who's building a statue for him? He just got 1332 yards and 9 tds. That's #1 production. So what if we're overpaying him now. We underpaid him the first few years of his career. It all evens out. We got the cap space. As long as he produces, they aren't going to mess with him. How would it look if you came to Shady right now and asked him to restructure after having the best year of his career? That would be the same as Desean.
The last time we talked about Desean.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=665215&view=findpost&p=15648385

He's not doing anything different since.
We weren't really talking DeSean there. I said I felt he wasn't a #1 at the time because he hadn't produced #1 numbers. I also said maybe Kelly coaxes more out of him. He did. Not sure why you would force a guy to take less money after you just gave it to him AND he backed it up on the field. Setting a very bad precedent.

 
I agree, I'm not in love with paying any WR 12 mil, let alone Jackson. That said, he has the strong bargaining position. At 27 coming off of the year he's had, there's no way he restructures unless the guaranteed money exceeds that. He gets cut and someone will throw mike Wallace money at him. Jets? Carolina? Just to name a few

 
You guys do know there is a difference between restructuring and taking a pay cut, right? I know there is no way in hell he should or would take a pay cut, so that's not me saying that.

 
I wouldn't agree with going out and paying FA WR 12 mil a year. But DJax brings a lot to this offense, and unless we need the cap space, no way would I consider cutting him. With us perpetually millions under the cap, I wouldn't touch him. Avant and Celek or Casey are gone most likely, and they're taking up a decent amount of cap too. I wouldn't be surprised to see Brandon Graham cut - we're getting almost no production for that 3 mil or whatever.

As for the argument about winning a super bowl, I suspect you can find a marquee player at just about every position (perhaps QB being the exception) that doesn't make the playoffs. Mario Williams, Carl Nicks, Joe Thomas, Darelle Revis - it's a team sport.

 
Is Orakpo a FA? Would really love to upgrade our OLB spot and get some consistent pass rush. No idea if the SKins would let him walk - but given his injury history, maybe....

 
Reading the Playoff blackout thread got me wondering...when was the last Philly blackout? None during the Reid era, right? I remember a game against the Colts getting blacked out (maybe pre-Manning years). How far back does the sellout streak go?

 
Reading the Playoff blackout thread got me wondering...when was the last Philly blackout? None during the Reid era, right? I remember a game against the Colts getting blacked out (maybe pre-Manning years). How far back does the sellout streak go?
First game of the reid era. The Brian Finneran drop game.

 
Is Orakpo a FA? Would really love to upgrade our OLB spot and get some consistent pass rush. No idea if the SKins would let him walk - but given his injury history, maybe....
I believe he is but I hate his injury history. I would not sign him unless it was a very team-friendly / incentive-laden contract.

 
Anyone in the Philly area have an update on the weather there? Saw that Payton laughed off that it might have an effect on his team, and said they won't be travelling to Philly early to adjust to the temp and practice in it. Rumours out there that they were going to come early anyways... if they plan on flying in today or tomorrow, they may have some issues with the storm.

Again, hoping for a freezing cold game, but looks like it warms up a bit by Saturday night and the storm will be done by then.

 
Anyone in the Philly area have an update on the weather there? Saw that Payton laughed off that it might have an effect on his team, and said they won't be travelling to Philly early to adjust to the temp and practice in it. Rumours out there that they were going to come early anyways... if they plan on flying in today or tomorrow, they may have some issues with the storm.

Again, hoping for a freezing cold game, but looks like it warms up a bit by Saturday night and the storm will be done by then.
We're about to get hit with a snowstorm, but it should end around rush hour tomorrow. After the storm we are going to get hit with an arctic blast.The high for Saturday is listed as 29 with a low of 6. Its going to be pretty cold come 8 pm.

 
Talking radio heads said 24 degrees, wind chill 18 at kickoff. No threat of snow.
Yeah, relatively speaking, the Saints are catching a pretty fortunate weather window Saturday night. Tomorrow will be terrible and early next week is single digit lows
Ya, that's unfortunate. However, Sunday is supposed to be warmer, so I'd rather have Saturday then Sunday game this week (especially now since I just got my Saturday night shift covered)

 
Ranking them off hand...

NFC

1. Rodgers

2. Brees

3. Foles

4. Wilson

5. Kaepernick

6. Newton

AFC

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Rivers

4. Luck

5. Dalton

6. A Smith

 
On the verge of NFL history

A season in which the Eagles have set loads of new records has Chip Kelly's team on the verge of making NFL history again this weekend.

Saturday night's playoff game against the New Orleans Saints will mark the first time ever that a team has been featured by the same network in prime time for three consecutive weeks. That honor goes to the Eagles, as NBC comes back into town after broadcasting the team's games against the Bears and Cowboys.

 
You guys act like I don't know everything you telling me already. I do have eyes and access to google. I don't have a uninformed opinion, but a real argument made from statistics and logic that you can blow past if you like. Yes I mentioned a name none of you care about in Andre Roberts. If you can put him in this system with Kelly-Foles I'd bet anyone he'd be just as productive. They only catch would be he'd cost a tenth of the price, allowing you to spend the money elsewhere. Just look at Cooper. He scored almost as many TDs as Desean for around 6-700k. But I forgot, I was high as hell when I made bold statements about Cooper too.

No good teams are paying top dollar for WR and RB these days. If you think overpaying for a receiver is smart then Det should have a few superbowls by now, Fitz should make the playoffs more often, Josh Gordon ect.. I'll say the same about McCoy when it's his day. Spend the money 12m on the Oline and a few late round RBs and not miss a beat like NE has done for a decade. Really, wake me up when AP or CJ2K win a playoff game.
I get the logical aspect of it if these were cogs in a machine or Madden franchise mode. However, this is a real team with real people in the locker room. If they play hard ball with a guy like DeSean who just had a career year, finished top 10 at WR, is only 27 and just signed a big deal, then how do you keep loyalty from any of them? We just got done hearing how much fun they had this year under Kelly and that they like playing for the guy. So if the GM were to come to the #1 WR he just paid big money to produce after said WR produces better than he ever has and says, "take less money or walk," how will every player in that locker room take that?
The same way Wes Welker's teammates did.
Wes Welker's 32 with a history of injury in recent years. And his teammates weren't too happy with it. Plus, they really could have used him. This was their worst statistical year from the WR position in the Brady era. The only reason they got away with it is because it's the Patriots. Bill Bellichek is the coach and they have 3 trophies on the shelf already.
I don't recall anyone being upset publicly. After all of the media fuss of NE playing hardball over a few mil with the franchises greatest WR they earned a bye and Edelmen catches 105 balls when it was all said and done. Who they really could have used was Gronk and Hernandez, who they had no problem paying, and Vereen. NE has been playing moneyball in the NFL for over a decade now, and they are doing something right in regards to not spending big on RB/WR that I want in on. That wasn't the 1st time they let a big name go either. It's not like Foles is dependent on one receiver anyway. I can see scenarios like us being outbid by IND for Maclin and Cooper going somewhere like Denver to replace Decker if he's asking for WR1 money. Asking Desean to restructure is just a option. If it meant keeping him, Cooper and Maclin then play your cards. I'm not into being emotional about the decision or following conventional wisdom. It just business.

Desean had a pro-bowl under his belt already at the time you said he wasn't a #1. He's not doing anything now that he hasn't done before under Andy Ried. I was just wondering what made you change your heart when I was saying he and the team were as talented as a fringe playoff team(which was true). Guess I was high when I typed that too lol. I just don't see the logic behind paying someone that is so QB dependent that much. But a lot can happen between now and next season. Djax can win superbowl MVP or we can get blown out 1st round, so we'll see. At least he doesn't have alligator arms anymore.

 
Sorry if this got posted already. Epic.

http://vimeo.com/m/82963876
Enjoy the goosebumps

You're invited to crash the party with your NFC East Champs. https://t.co/X7GvN9h3yB
:hifive:
That was awesome.

Again not to get ahead of ourselves but if we some how miraculously won the Super Bowl this year, that would be the best America's Game episode ever. So many crazy things happening this year. You couldn't even script it all.
They could get rolled next week or they could win it all. But all I know is that two weeks ago if you asked me what realistic playoff playoff path would I choose as a division winner (ie: the wild cards coming from the West and South), it would be this exact one. Saints at home, then at Carolina, with a not completely unrealistic chance of hosting the NFCCG if all goes to plan.
I agree knowing the playoff teams this would be the one I would pick also with SF being the NFC Championship game. The Saints would be much harder on the road and out of the 5 teams I think Carolina is the best matchup for the Eagles if they have to play a road game.

 
Y'all found a coach, QB, and the playoffs all in one season

good work!

As a cowboys fan I want to say congrats, and at least the redskins are still a mess

 
Just saw this.

Every year since 2009, the team that faces Philadelphia in the Eagles' home opener has gone on to win the Super Bowl that season. Incredibly, the 2009 Saints, 2010 Packers, 2011 Giants and 2012 Ravens have that first game in Philadelphia in common. The 2013 Chargers beat the Eagles in their home opener Week 2, 33-30.

Didn't realize this until now...wow.. Put money on the Chargers I guess!

 
Looking at the cap - we are something like #4 in salary devoted to offense, with a ridiculous small number devoted to QB, all the others near us are around 20 mil of cap to the QB, we're at 1.5 or so. Something's going to have to give if/when Foles turns out to be the real deal and needs extending.

Good thing we can't renegotiate with Foles next year though, so he'll have a full season to prove his stuff, and we can keep paying the Sean's.

 
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2014/01/saints_to_face_harsh_weather_f.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Just in time to amp me up before the weekend. Such lazy crap. Do people still seriously bring up Booing Santa and Cheering Irvin's injury?

"Stories of fans throwing snowballs, batteries and empty liquor bottles at players and coaches from the opposing team are legendary. A few years back one drunken Philly fan intentionally vomited on an 11-year-old girl."
The above statement gets me SUPER fired up because in the context of the article it implies that A. he was at an Eagles game, which he was not (phillies) and B. that he was from Philly, which he was not (Jersey).

So lame that this get an entire article. Every. Effing. Year.
 
I cherish those articles and the reputation that Philly fans have. I wear it like a badge, even though I've never disrespected anyone in my life. Keep the articles coming. Fear is a great ally.

 
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2014/01/saints_to_face_harsh_weather_f.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Just in time to amp me up before the weekend. Such lazy crap. Do people still seriously bring up Booing Santa and Cheering Irvin's injury?

"Stories of fans throwing snowballs, batteries and empty liquor bottles at players and coaches from the opposing team are legendary. A few years back one drunken Philly fan intentionally vomited on an 11-year-old girl."
The above statement gets me SUPER fired up because in the context of the article it implies that A. he was at an Eagles game, which he was not (phillies) and B. that he was from Philly, which he was not (Jersey).

So lame that this get an entire article. Every. Effing. Year.
Yep, the whole story never gets told.

Like the booing Santa incident.... I believe the real story is that the Santa didn't show up as planned, so another guy who was hammered and could barely walk, dressed in santa and was stumbling across the field or something to that affect.

 
Today is going to take FOREVER!
Yup, been up since 7 getting the pork shoulder ready for the crock pot. Cutting onions, mixing up the rub, a bottle of Sweet Baby Rays waiting...got a fridge full of River Horse Belgian Freeze for AtD's signature pulled pork, slaw and beer. All that's missing is a football game.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!

:football:

 

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