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2014 Coach Otis All-Value Team <(^v^)> (2 Viewers)

Otis

Footballguy
It's 2014, it's August, it's high time for Coach to drop some knowledge before you make a horrific mistake and go through your fantasy drafts without any style whatsoever trying to draft Lesean McCoy and Peyton Manning.

You want to really show the guys in your league who's boss? Throw away your first round pick. Seriously. Toss it. When you're sitting around the table and your pick comes up and everyone looks at you, just politely say "pass," then nonchalantly take a sip of your drink. Do the same thing in the second round. Let them laugh. That's just a sign of their insecurity. The quiet ones are the ones who are realizing, at that very moment, that they aren't dealing with just any ordinary fantasy magic football guy. This is a real life hawk, sitting right across the table from them, and the one thing that is going through their mind is what they should be putting in the Memo field of the $50 check they are writing to you, because this fantasy season has already ended for them. It’s like the schoolyard bully taking everyone’s lunch money, except he doesn’t have to ask--the kids just line up and fork it over.

This is it. The 2014 All-Value All-Otis All-Hawk Team. Toss your first few picks in the crapper and start from scratch. Don't be the nerd who brings a stack of handwritten notes to the draft. Don't be the even bigger nerd who's got an extension cord running out poolside because you need to fire up a draft spread sheet on the old Pentium laptop. You roll in without any cheatsheets or sheet cheats or draft rankings or ADPs or APDs; when it's your turn in the first few rounds, you just politely decline to pick. Grab a few beers, wait for the mid-rounds, and then make fantasy history.

Babe Ruth wasn't great because he won a bunch. He was great because he called his shots and then smashed baseballs out of the stadium. Step up to Hawk level, call your shot and crush it.

Our interns have been hard at work all year crunching the numbers to figure out how to make you guys look handsome. This year, we're going to add players one or two at a time, because we don't want anyone getting overwhelmed with too much brilliance all at once.

With that said, let's sharpen up the claws and have at it...

QB

  • Josh McCown
Josh McCown dated all the pretty girls in your high school and made it look easy while you were struggling to pull a 5 or 6, and you hate him for it. He's charismatic, he's dreamy, he looks like Dolph Lundgren, and he knocks russian spy drones out of the night sky with footballs. He's a regular Captain America, and he's defending your country, and you owe him some respect.

Remember last year when Jay Cutler was busy not caring, and so they brought in a handsomer Josh McCown and he had a better passer rating during his starts than Peyton Manning and Drew Brees? If you want you can draft Drew Brees. That'll be really exciting. Nobody will ever see it coming. Or you could just get a nice haircut like Josh McCown and wait until the mid rounds and draft your QB then and get the same result. It's up to you really. Feel free to be unoriginal. Or feel free to be great.

Me? I'll take the guy who's going to drop bombs on co-hunks Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans. Just three tall hunks out there scoring with your women and scoring fantasy points.

McCown is going as the 24th QB off the board right now, but he'll finish top 7.

Top 7 QB finish


RB

  • Mark Ingram
I like guys who like trophies.

I like guys who are so passionate about the game that when they finally get healthy and get into the game and get a chance, they are electric as a live wire, buzzing and zapping and charged up all over the place, finally brought to tears from the sheer intensity and speed and love of the game. That's a guy I want.

I like guys in a contract year.

I especially like guys who won Heismans, who cry from running so damn fast, and who are in a contract year. Mark Ingram is a guy who'll have you crying too. You'll sit there on your recliner on Sunday watching him light up your plasma TV and it will be a thing of sheer beauty as he runs past and through everything else on your plasma TV, as you get choked up and sob into your ranch dressing. He likes trophies and you like trophies an the two of you will soar into the sunset together, embracing, crying, celebrating the heights you've reached together.

He's the 50th RB off the board right now, but he'll end the season with RB1 numbers and a top 12 finish, and you'll look like a Lifetime screenwriter making so much beauty.

RB8 - RB12 finish

  • Terrance West
I know what you're thinking. Why would I want a rookie RB on the Cleveland Browns? You want a rookie RB on the Cleveland Browns because he's really strong and really fast and is going to stun you with the way he adjusts to the speed of the NFL.

I don't have much of anything to tell you other than "trust me." Rather than have some clever joke about the guy who will be the best rookie RB this year, I just thought I'd post his draft writeup:

Solidly-built throughout with good muscle build to shake off defenders. Smooth hips and lower body to stay balanced, working off and around blocks well with a good combination of power and foot quickness. Physical, tough and lowers his pads to finish through contact. Good vision, patience and natural feel as a ballcarrier to press the hole and attack the line of scrimmage, following his blocks. Strong cuts and breaks tackles at all levels . A chore to tackle. Good speed and won't slow down at the second level with long strides in the open field. Workhorse and wears down defenses. Sexy as all get-out and probably will steal your girlfriend. Catches the ball well (31 career catches). Strong work ethic and devoted to the game with his head on straight, keeping his eyes on the prize. Extremely productive career (led the team in rushing each of the last three seasons) and leaves Towson as the school's all-time leading rusher (4,854), setting FCS single-season records in 2013 for rushing yards (2,509) and rushing touchdowns (41).

At RB39 off the board, what you're getting here is a guy who will come from behind to lead the rookie RB class and finish the season as the #10-15 RB overall.

Top 15 RB finish

WR

  • Miles Austin
Miles Austin is like the Miles Davis of football, except the version later in Miles Davis's career when he was playing that stuff that was sort of all over the place and didn't make much sense or sound very good, and he had a bum hip, and he always felt groggy in the morning. Miles Austin isn't at the top of his game, and frankly wasn't the best receiver in the world even when he was. But we're looking for value here, and Austin still is a wide receiver in the National Football League who will end up being a guy who racks up stats by default. With Gordon going out on sabbatical for 8-40 games, and there being really nobody else there to catch passes, Austin becomes really the only receiver on that team worth a damn. Oh and speaking of throwing, he's going to be catching zingers from that big-balled true Texas gunslinger, Johnny Football.

His ADP is the 70th receiver off the board. He won't put up breathtaking stats, but he will put up enough to finish around WR35, making him legit value as your WR3.

WR35-40 finish

  • Justin Hunter
Justin Hunter is 6'4" and 200+lbs of studliness at the wide receiver position. Four of his eighteen catches last year were touchdowns; in limited playing time, he proved he's a gamer. Hunter is just fluid and athletic as all hell, and he makes it look so easy. He's like your buddy who comes out to the club after you've been there struggling for two hours, and you're sort of tired and drunk and sweaty and the girls you've tried picking up have mostly blown you off, and then Hunter just strolls in really casually and saddles up to the bar and within minutes has a girl on either arm chatting him up. He was raw as a rookie, but his route running improved over the course of the year and with another offseason as a pro he'll only be further up the learning curve.

He's going as the 51st WR off the board, and he'll finish top 30, right after he finishes making you look bad.

Top 30 WR

  • Andre Holmes
Holmes is tall, and big, and athletic, and he's really annoyed to be buried so deep on the depth chart. He has no idea why he's going as the 71st receiver off the board, and frankly neither do we.

In week 13 last year against the Cowboys, Holmes had his first breakout, to the tune of nearly 140 yards on 7 catches, with a crap quarterback. He has the physical tools, he has a chip on his shoulder, he's got some journeyman receivers ahead of him on the depth chart, and he'll be on a bad team that will have to throw a whole bunch from behind. He may end up getting a bunch of fantasy points in garbage time, but even nerdy Shark leagues don't distinguish on that basis.

Draft him late and profit. Just don't tell him you drafted him late.

Top 30 WR

FLEX

  • Shane Vereen
Vereen has been a hawk favorite for some time now. He's dazzled in the NFL playoffs, and he's been the best running back on the Patriots for a long time. Ridley will continue to drop everything he's handed, including his tray in the Patriots cafeteria, prompting even more ridicule from teammates and coaches. The Patriots have Gronk back and are primed for a better offensive year than in recent past; they'll move the chains, and put up points, and Vereen will play a large part in that.

Vereen is going the 24th running back off the board, but don't be stunned to see him finish top 15.

RB12-15 finish

TE

  • Ladarius Green
In his fantasy drafts, Jimmy Graham is drafting Ladarius Green. RGIII asks Green for his autograph. Everyone everywhere stares in amazement at Ladarius Green. And yet he's typically going as he 15th TE in your draft. Why is that?

Maybe your leaguemates don't like winning. Maybe they haven't paid enough attention to football this year. Maybe they drink too much. Maybe their wives don't give them much attention at home, and their kids aren't doing well in school, and they're really frustrated with the neighbor who dumps his grass clippings over the property line. Maybe they're still dealing with the fact that their parents got divorced when they were young, and to this day they still have that dream that they're drowning, and they wake up in a panicked sweat, and they always feel like they have something to prove. Maybe they just have no confidence because Jim in accounting totally got into their heads. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that you're not a therapist, you're not there to make a donation, you're there to win.

Green is freakishly big, fast, strong, has incredibly good hands, and has an undeniable ability to help you win. By playoff time, this guy will be rolling at top 5 TE production. At TE15, that's :moneybag:

Top 5 TE over the 2nd half of the season


K

  • LOL
BONUS PICKS

omgomgomg! Here we are with our first special bonus pick of the preseason. We told you Josh McCown is going to sneeze thunder and lightning all season, but here's another QB option on the very off chance you find yourself in a league with another hawk:

  • QB Jay Cutler
Jay Cutler cares more than you think. He cares about Alshon Jeffery. He cares about Brandon Marshall. One of the best, if not the best, WR duos in the game, with Alshon still having room to grow. He cares about Bennett, a massive receiving target, who only requires that you throw the ball in a general direction of the other end zone. He cares that Matt Forte is arguably the best receiving back in the game right now. He also cares that they just signed Santonio Holmes as a potential WR3. Santonio as a WR3?! Seriously? That's like having Jessica Biel as your backup date in case the chick you're asking out isn't around tonight. While maybe he doesn't care so much about your stupid fantasy team, Jay Cutler cares deeply about having what will be the best season of his career.

He's going off the board as QB14, but I'll be damned if he doesn't finish top 5.

Top 5 QB finish

Stay tuned, fly high and stay dry my feathered friends.

- Coach

 
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This made my morning. Welcome back coach and glad to hear you added to your stable with interns.

KA-KAW!!!

 
Would like to hear some reflective commentary from the coach on picks from 2013.

QB
Mike Vick
Top 5 QB finish


RB
Daryl Richardson
RB8 - RB12 finish

Shane Vereen
RB10 - RB14 finish

WR
Anquan Boldin
1100+ yards, 8+ TDs

Sidney Rice
Off the board around WR50; top 20WR finish

TE
Jermichael Finley
Top5 TE finish

K
"The Leg"
Top3 K finish
 
Probably the most important fantasy football article published on this site all year.

FBGs have tried to get this guy locked up on staff for years now but he refuses to sell out.

 
Probably the most important fantasy football article published on this site all year.

FBGs have tried to get this guy locked up on staff for years now but he refuses to sell out.
Some things in this world can't be bought.

 
Would like to hear some reflective commentary from the coach on picks from 2013.

QB

Mike Vick

Top 5 QB finish

RB

Daryl Richardson

RB8 - RB12 finish

Shane Vereen

RB10 - RB14 finish

WR

Anquan Boldin

1100+ yards, 8+ TDs

Sidney Rice

Off the board around WR50; top 20WR finish

TE

Jermichael Finley

Top5 TE finish

K

"The Leg"

Top3 K finish
Lol

Well at least you still have your two first round picks. :unsure:

 
Updated this to include where they finished using standard FBG scoring. Solid job on Boldin.

QB
Mike Vick
Top 5 QB finish
FINSHED #36

RB
Daryl Richardson
RB8 - RB12 finish

FINSHED #79

Shane Vereen
RB10 - RB14 finish
FINSHED #43

WR
Anquan Boldin
1100+ yards, 8+ TDs
FINSHED #15

(85-1179-7)

Sidney Rice
Off the board around WR50; top 20WR finish
FINSHED #101

TE
Jermichael Finley
Top5 TE finish
FINSHED #37

K
"The Leg"
Top3 K finish

FINSHED #20
 
Would like to hear some reflective commentary from the coach on picks from 2013.

QB

Mike Vick

Top 5 QB finish

RB

Daryl Richardson

RB8 - RB12 finish

Shane Vereen

RB10 - RB14 finish

WR

Anquan Boldin

1100+ yards, 8+ TDs

Sidney Rice

Off the board around WR50; top 20WR finish

TE

Jermichael Finley

Top5 TE finish

K

"The Leg"

Top3 K finish
Do you know how hawks catch their prey?

By looking forward, not backward.

:screech:

 
Would like to hear some reflective commentary from the coach on picks from 2013.

QB

Mike Vick

Top 5 QB finish

RB

Daryl Richardson

RB8 - RB12 finish

Shane Vereen

RB10 - RB14 finish

WR

Anquan Boldin

1100+ yards, 8+ TDs

Sidney Rice

Off the board around WR50; top 20WR finish

TE

Jermichael Finley

Top5 TE finish

K

"The Leg"

Top3 K finish
Yikes. Pierre and Khiry it is then!

 
McCown :yucky: I don't think he keeps the job all season. That OLine looks shaky, Evans &amp; ASJ will have some growing pains, I'm not on board this train.

If you want a QB that can be had later and has a chance at a top 5 finish it's Rivers.

 
McCown :yucky: I don't think he keeps the job all season. That OLine looks shaky, Evans &amp; ASJ will have some growing pains, I'm not on board this train.

If you want a QB that can be had later and has a chance at a top 5 finish it's Rivers.
I think you misunderstand the Hawk's ability to reel in prey. LOL.

 
TE

  • Ladarius Green
In his fantasy drafts, Jimmy Graham is drafting Ladarius Green. RGIII asks Green for his autograph. Everyone everywhere stares in amazement at Ladarius Green. And yet he's typically going as he 15th TE in your draft. Why is that?

Maybe your leaguemates don't like winning. Maybe they haven't paid enough attention to football this year. Maybe they drink too much. Maybe their wives don't give them much attention at home, and their kids aren't doing well in school, and they're really frustrated with the neighbor who dumps his grass clippings over the property line. Maybe they're still dealing with the fact that their parents got divorced when they were young, and to this day they still have that dream that they're drowning, and they wake up in a panicked sweat, and they always feel like they have something to prove. Maybe they just have no confidence because Jim in accounting totally got into their heads. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that you're not a therapist, you're not there to make a donation, you're there to win.

Green is freakishly big, fast, strong, has incredibly good hands, and has an undeniable ability to help you win. By playoff time, this guy will be rolling at top 5 TE production. At TE15, that's :moneybag:

Top 5 TE over the 2nd half of the season

 
Updated this to include where they finished using standard FBG scoring. Solid job on Boldin.

QB

Mike Vick

Top 5 QB finish

FINSHED #36

RB

Daryl Richardson

RB8 - RB12 finish

FINSHED #79

Shane Vereen

RB10 - RB14 finish

FINSHED #43

WR

Anquan Boldin

1100+ yards, 8+ TDs

FINSHED #15

(85-1179-7)

Sidney Rice

Off the board around WR50; top 20WR finish

FINSHED #101

TE

Jermichael Finley

Top5 TE finish

FINSHED #37

K

"The Leg"

Top3 K finish

FINSHED #20
Pretty sure that was better than his 2012 picks.

 
Pretty sure that was better than his 2012 picks.
Really? Well, let's find out.

Holy smokes, it’s 2012.

QB

Jay Cutler

You’ll get him around QB12, but he’ll finish around QB5.

4300 yds, 24 TDs

3033 19 TDS 14 INT

Finished as QB # 23

RB

Reggie Bush

Draft Bush in the 6th round. Send me a fruit cake and Christmas card in December, and watch him finish a top 5-10 RB

1308 rushing, 322 receiving, 13TDs

986 RUYD 292 REYD 8 TDS

Finished as RB # 14

LeGarrette Blount

1150 rushing, 180 receiving, 7 TDs

151 RUYD 2 REYD 2 TDS

Finished as RB # 89


WR

Brandon Marshall

It’s not the most incredible value pick in the world, but he’ll finish top 5, and you’ll get nice bang for your buck, as we walk in fields of gold.

Top 5WR finish

Finished as WR# 2

Greg Little

Off the board around WR35-40; top 20WR finish

Finished as WR# 51

TE

Jacob Tamme

We haven’t seen an easier lock at top 5 TE who is regularly drafted outside the top 10. It’s silly really.

Top5 TE finish

Finished as TE# 26

Bonus Picks:

  • QB - Peyton Manning - Top5 QB [He's still way better than you think] Finished as QB # 5
  • RB - Kendall Hunter - Top20 RB [Gore is in twilight mode; Hunter starts to take over midseason and shines] Finished as RB # 59
  • RB - Alex Green - Top20 RB [He's healthy, and the other options are unimpressive] Finished as RB # 55
  • WR - Mike Williams (TB) - Top15 WR [Resurgence as VJax takes more attention than he deserves] Finished as WR # 18
  • WR - Leonard Hankerson - Top20 WR [How's he really going off the board around WR60?] Finished as WR # 63
Crushed the Peyton Manning and Brandon Marshall picks. Good value there. :tebow:

 
One thing about what kris is doing that people need to understand: he is looking for value picks. By nature that means that he has to wade through not the elite proven players in the league, but the busts, the average players, the under-utilized players with upside, and the unproven rookies.

So of course he is going to whiff and whiff a lot.

Just think about every draft you do. After the 8th or 9th round in a 12 teamer, it's anyone's guess who is going to bust or explode.

Every year I draft players after the 8th rd that I think represent insane value BC in my analysis I project them to vault into the top 10 at their position and every year 50%-75% of those picks bust. They're not even on my roster by years end.

Last year I was certain Vincent brown was going to explode after danario went out for the season in training camp. I drafted brown in every league in the 9th or 10 round and was absolutely giddy about it.

I dropped his #### for Keenan Allen in as many leagues as I could just before Allen blew up. Brown busted. Eddie royal, waiver wire fodder, was a bigger hit than brown. Lol.

Tavon Austin was another whiff. I cn go on and on. We all whiff a lot after the 8th rd. I applaud Otis for the effort.

 
I'll take the guy who's going to drop bombs on co-hunks Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans. Just three tall hunks out there scoring with your women and scoring fantasy points.
:lmao: :lmao:

 
Searching for the other thread I typed in "Otis" in thread title and 3 pages of threads came up.

 
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I'm not touching anyone on TB's O with that line.

I like Ingram in dynasty for next ear but doubt he will be consistent enough this year.

I like Green, a lot, I wish you didn't like him.

 
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TE

  • Ladarius Green
In his fantasy drafts, Jimmy Graham is drafting Ladarius Green. RGIII asks Green for his autograph. Everyone everywhere stares in amazement at Ladarius Green. And yet he's typically going as he 15th TE in your draft. Why is that?

Maybe your leaguemates don't like winning. Maybe they haven't paid enough attention to football this year. Maybe they drink too much. Maybe their wives don't give them much attention at home, and their kids aren't doing well in school, and they're really frustrated with the neighbor who dumps his grass clippings over the property line. Maybe they're still dealing with the fact that their parents got divorced when they were young, and to this day they still have that dream that they're drowning, and they wake up in a panicked sweat, and they always feel like they have something to prove. Maybe they just have no confidence because Jim in accounting totally got into their heads. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that you're not a therapist, you're not there to make a donation, you're there to win.

Green is freakishly big, fast, strong, has incredibly good hands, and has an undeniable ability to help you win. By playoff time, this guy will be rolling at top 5 TE production. At TE15, that's :moneybag:

Top 5 TE over the 2nd half of the season
In redraft it's mostly because Gates is still there. In dynasty, only Graham, Cam, JT, Gronk, and sometimes Ertz, Reed and Rudolph go for more.

Agree on this one being a value, in redraft.

 
  • Miles Austin
Miles Austin is like the Miles Davis of football, except the version later in Miles Davis's career when he was playing that stuff that was sort of all over the place and didn't make much sense or sound very good, and he had a bum hip, and he always felt groggy in the morning. Miles Austin isn't at the top of his game, and frankly wasn't the best receiver in the world even when he was. But we're looking for value here, and Austin still is a wide receiver in the National Football League who will end up being a guy who racks up stats by default. With Gordon going out on sabbatical for 8-40 games, and there being really nobody else there to catch passes, Austin becomes really the only receiver on that team worth a damn. Oh and speaking of throwing, he's going to be catching zingers from that big-balled true Texas gunslinger, Johnny Football.

His ADP is the 70th receiver off the board. He won't put up breathtaking stats, but he will put up enough to finish around WR35, making him legit value as your WR3.

WR35-40 finish

 
  • Miles Austin
Miles Austin is like the Miles Davis of football, except the version later in Miles Davis's career when he was playing that stuff that was sort of all over the place and didn't make much sense or sound very good, and he had a bum hip, and he always felt groggy in the morning. Miles Austin isn't at the top of his game, and frankly wasn't the best receiver in the world even when he was. But we're looking for value here, and Austin still is a wide receiver in the National Football League who will end up being a guy who racks up stats by default. With Gordon going out on sabbatical for 8-40 games, and there being really nobody else there to catch passes, Austin becomes really the only receiver on that team worth a damn. Oh and speaking of throwing, he's going to be catching zingers from that big-balled true Texas gunslinger, Johnny Football.

His ADP is the 70th receiver off the board. He won't put up breathtaking stats, but he will put up enough to finish around WR35, making him legit value as your WR3.

WR35-40 finish
Just my opinion and I'm no coach, but CJ5 is the better pick.

 
Thanks Coach

I can't wait to see the fear in my opponents eyes when I pass on my first two picks in the FFPC main event. 300K in the bag...............

HAWKSCREECH!

 
Lots of critics here, but takes some cajones to rationalize choices and stick with them.

Keep fighting the good fight, O.

 
Lots of critics here, but takes some cajones to rationalize choices and stick with them.

Keep fighting the good fight, O.
So he gets credit for making bold predictions, even though those predictions are #### poor year after year? Most posters would get laughed at and mocked but because he's Otis he gets a pass? If you throw enough manure up against the wall, eventually something will stick.

 
Would like to hear some reflective commentary from the coach on picks from 2013.

QB

Mike Vick

Top 5 QB finish Lost job due to injury but was a stud prior to getting hurt and the Eagles qb position was one of the most prolific in the league.

RB

Daryl Richardson

RB8 - RB12 finish

Another case where the eventual starter was a stud.

Shane Vereen

RB10 - RB14 finish

Another injured player. Was a bona fide stud when he played. Finished top ten to fourteen in ppr, as predicted.

WR

Anquan Boldin

1100+ yards, 8+ TDs

Had his best season in years, and actually exceeded these numbers.

Sidney Rice

Off the board around WR50; top 20WR finish

Hurt.

TE

Jermichael Finley

Top5 TE finish

Hurt.

K

"The Leg"

Top3 K finish
So basically Otis correctly identified some studs who got hurt, and some of the most valuable fantasy situations in the league, while picking only guys who would go late in the draft. You could do a lot worse. Boldin in particular was a great call, since I don't think many people were on him this time last year. Through week 5, Vick was a top 3 qb if I remember correctly, and he was going as a qb in most leagues. Vereen was just starting to get some hype but nobody was really on him as a sproles like stud.

I have no problem calling out my GB oats for all kinds of tomfoolery but his value picks have been pretty solid.

 
I went outside and a fox came around the corner, froze, and looked at me. Then a bird landed on the fox's back, swiveled it's head and locked a glare my way. Then a butterfly landed on the bird's head, and although I couldn't see his eyes, I felt they were focused on me. They all sat there, statue-like, until I turned and ran.

I went inside, came to the forums, and this thread was here. Coincidence?

I'm just glad I got out of there before the giant Mothra-sized hawk came down and ate us all.

 
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Would like to hear some reflective commentary from the coach on picks from 2013.

QB

Mike Vick

Top 5 QB finish Lost job due to injury but was a stud prior to getting hurt and the Eagles qb position was one of the most prolific in the league.

RB

Daryl Richardson

RB8 - RB12 finish

Another case where the eventual starter was a stud.

Shane Vereen

RB10 - RB14 finish

Another injured player. Was a bona fide stud when he played. Finished top ten to fourteen in ppr, as predicted.

WR

Anquan Boldin

1100+ yards, 8+ TDs

Had his best season in years, and actually exceeded these numbers.

Sidney Rice

Off the board around WR50; top 20WR finish

Hurt.

TE

Jermichael Finley

Top5 TE finish

Hurt.

K

"The Leg"

Top3 K finish
So basically Otis correctly identified some studs who got hurt, and some of the most valuable fantasy situations in the league, while picking only guys who would go late in the draft. You could do a lot worse. Boldin in particular was a great call, since I don't think many people were on him this time last year. Through week 5, Vick was a top 3 qb if I remember correctly, and he was going as a qb in most leagues. Vereen was just starting to get some hype but nobody was really on him as a sproles like stud.

I have no problem calling out my GB oats for all kinds of tomfoolery but his value picks have been pretty solid.
:thumbup:

 

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