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FunkyPlutos
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Donnybrook
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siffoin
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Doesn't Suh have a $20m cap figure? What team would want him, AND his salary AND have to give up a top pick? Doesn't make any sense.
jurb26
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Raiderfan32904
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Yeah, of course there are. That was being contrarian just to be contrarian though. Way too many wild picks going on there.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Drafting the best vs. drafting for need
A strategy session for draft day as well as my top-five players in this year’s rookie class.
Jerry Angelo
April 15, 2014, 07:00 AM EST
Interesting article by former CHI GM Jerry Angelo, on some draft maxims, and his top 5.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Drafting-the-best-vs-drafting-for-need.html
As we continue to get closer to the 2014 NFL draft, I’d like to share a few thoughts. If I were giving advice to someone about drafting, I would start with this concept: Draft as if you’re an expansion team, not a sinking ship. History has shown that you can find starters, pro bowlers and, in some cases, Hall of Famers in the later rounds and as college free agents. But the focus has to be on acquiring the best players.
Having said that, you need to approach the draft with an open mind and without the pressure of filling needs. The “filling needs approach” is not only unsound, but you also find yourself embellishing lesser players who then end up filling those holes you have on your roster in lieu of better players.
Filling needs should have been addressed during the free agent period, regardless of the quality of the veterans you had sign to do it. They should be able to be plugged in at least for a year to take care of those voids. We called those players “stop gap guys.” Players that can “hold the fort,” as Bill Parcells would say, until the infantry arrives.
Again you want to eliminate any potential bias on draft day. This is the only way to ensure you draft the best players available. I can say this without question: The best picks we made were the ones we didn’t “need.”
In this year’s draft, I want to give you my first five picks in order of how I’d take them. Their positions are irrelevant, as these are the best of the best and guys I would trade up to acquire. You can’t minimize “special” and these are the players who have the capabilities to be special at the next level.
On Sundays during the fall, games are won by special players. Look at it this way: Most teams have approximately the same amount of special players (8-10), regardless of both their positions and which side of the ball they play on. There are a few instances of teams with a couple more “special” players and, of course, some with less. But, by in large, the majority of teams possess 8-10. That was essentially the purpose of free agency, to create parity. Parity is the distribution of those special players. These players also consume a significant portion of a team’s salary cap dollars.
Getting back to this year’s draft, here’s an interesting note: Four of my top-five players are underclassmen. Another intriguing note: Both Clemson wide receiver Sammy Watkins and Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack are from the state of Florida. How did they get out of the state?
I’m going to reference two words: “Ceiling” and “Floor.” Let me define both:
Ceiling: The best the player can be, his fullest potential.
Floor: The worst a player can be in the event he doesn’t reach his potential.
Let’s use South Carolina pass rusher Jadeveon Clowney as an example. Clowney has everything you look for as a pass rusher. He’s a great athlete who has dominated throughout his career. Simply put, Clowney is a great talent with the production to match and is virtually unblockable when he’s going all-out. So his ceiling is obviously very high. In fact, in my opinion, it’s the highest of any player on the draft board.
The downside, however, is that Clowney had a poor 2013 season. He has been labeled as inconsistent and a sometimes difficult player to coach. This can easily affect his ability to reach his ceiling and if so, the question becomes what’s the worst he can be? Given that Clowney is a pure pass rusher and just mediocre as a run stopper, if he fails to develop against the run, what’s his floor? Most likely, it would be the lowest of my top-five players.
Different criticisms abound regarding Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel. That’s why I have Clowney and Manziel ranked fourth and fifth, respectively, simply because it’s tough to determine what their floors truly are.
Most players who end up busting out of the league have low floors. It’s very hard for players to dominate in the NFL. Most players are role players and are solid, but not special starters. The league is predominately made up of those types. For a player to be special at the NFL level is a rare feat. At the college level, a great athlete can be flawed but still play to 70-80 percent of his abilities and dominate because there is such a disparity in talent between the top athletes and the next level down. This isn’t the case in the NFL.
While there still is a disparity between the top athletes at the professional ranks, the disparity isn’t nearly as great as it is in college football. These players get hit with the labels like “underachiever,” “can’t play with pain” and “soft.” All of these terms define the flaw the player had in college, but you really didn’t notice it until he got to the next level.
MY TOP FIVE
1. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn: Robinson is the safest, most talented player in this year’s draft. Gifted tackles like him have a good history of playing well and for a long time in the NFL. Somebody recently compared Robinson to San Francisco’s Anthony Davis, but that’s talking apples and oranges. Robinson is the next Walter Jones, with a rare combination of power and athleticism.
2. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson: No receiver has been this electrifying since Calvin Johnson came out of Georgia Tech. He is big, fast and explosive. Watkins’ after-the-catch yards are unreal. He is competitive and explosive. He has a rare ability and rare skill set in that he can be lethal as both a vertical receiver and in the short game. He’s Sterling Sharp with top-end speed. Watkins saved his best game for last in Clemson’s bowl game win over Ohio State. However, he’s young and will have to be handled the right way. Watkins is sensitive and naive, but he wants to be great and with the right coach and quarterback, he will be.
3. Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo: Not an elite athlete, though his workout numbers would differ, but has an elite package. A combination of size, speed, strength and toughness with top production, as well as durability. People talk about Mack’s marginal coverage skills, but who cares? Linebackers don’t go into the Hall of Fame because of their coverage ability. Remember, Lawrence Taylor didn’t know when to drop or where to drop. The old saying comes to mind when I think about Mack: “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.” He can rush the passer in a variety of ways, has a big motor and is stout versus the run.
4. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina: Has it all. When his motor is running, he can’t be blocked by one player. He can win the one-on-one battles with his speed and his moves. He’s scary, in that you don’t know how to play him, so offensives will wind up assigning two players to defend him. That means Clowney is a player that offensive coordinators are going to have to account for and that, in turn, messes with their game plans. But the big question is can you trust him? He won’t play hard 100 percent of the time for 16 games because it’s simply not in his DNA. He’s never had to work for anything and he’s going to be rewarded by being the first or second overall pick, so why should he change his behavior now? You’ve rewarded it! That’s his biggest knock in my book. The key to Clowney is figuring out if he has a pride factor. If so, he’ll set new standards at the position.
5. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M: You got to love him, but I wouldn’t touch him unless I knew there was a rock solid plan in place that tailors to his style. It’s not how he measures, it’s how are you are going to play him. Right now, the only coach I would trust to handle Manziel correctly would be Sean Payton and maybe offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak and 49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh. All three played the quarterback position and know how to both develop signal-callers and develop schemes with the non-conventional types. Manziel is not Drew Brees. Brees made his living in the pocket as a colligate player, Manziel didn’t. Durability will be an issue. He’s not a natural leader, but his teammates respond to him and that’s what counts. Manziel will do more to elevate the overall play of a team right now than any other player on the board.
THE NEXT FIVE
This next level I look at a bit differently. This level features the players who have the highest floors and are the best bet to play to their ceilings. This is not to say the following five guys won’t be outstanding players, because they very well can be. The likes of Cris Carter, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith and Mike Singletary are some players who probably would have fallen into this category, but not solely because of athletic prowess.
6. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
7. Taylor Lewan OT, Michigan
8. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
9. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburg
10. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A & M
Follow Jerry on Twitter: @RealJerryAngelo
Jerry Angelo was the General Manager of the Chicago Bears from 2001 to 2012. Prior to joining the Bears, Angelo spent 14 years overseeing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' scouting department as their Director of Player Personnel. Angelo graduated from Miami University in 1971.
A strategy session for draft day as well as my top-five players in this year’s rookie class.
Jerry Angelo
April 15, 2014, 07:00 AM EST
Interesting article by former CHI GM Jerry Angelo, on some draft maxims, and his top 5.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Drafting-the-best-vs-drafting-for-need.html
As we continue to get closer to the 2014 NFL draft, I’d like to share a few thoughts. If I were giving advice to someone about drafting, I would start with this concept: Draft as if you’re an expansion team, not a sinking ship. History has shown that you can find starters, pro bowlers and, in some cases, Hall of Famers in the later rounds and as college free agents. But the focus has to be on acquiring the best players.
Having said that, you need to approach the draft with an open mind and without the pressure of filling needs. The “filling needs approach” is not only unsound, but you also find yourself embellishing lesser players who then end up filling those holes you have on your roster in lieu of better players.
Filling needs should have been addressed during the free agent period, regardless of the quality of the veterans you had sign to do it. They should be able to be plugged in at least for a year to take care of those voids. We called those players “stop gap guys.” Players that can “hold the fort,” as Bill Parcells would say, until the infantry arrives.
Again you want to eliminate any potential bias on draft day. This is the only way to ensure you draft the best players available. I can say this without question: The best picks we made were the ones we didn’t “need.”
In this year’s draft, I want to give you my first five picks in order of how I’d take them. Their positions are irrelevant, as these are the best of the best and guys I would trade up to acquire. You can’t minimize “special” and these are the players who have the capabilities to be special at the next level.
On Sundays during the fall, games are won by special players. Look at it this way: Most teams have approximately the same amount of special players (8-10), regardless of both their positions and which side of the ball they play on. There are a few instances of teams with a couple more “special” players and, of course, some with less. But, by in large, the majority of teams possess 8-10. That was essentially the purpose of free agency, to create parity. Parity is the distribution of those special players. These players also consume a significant portion of a team’s salary cap dollars.
Getting back to this year’s draft, here’s an interesting note: Four of my top-five players are underclassmen. Another intriguing note: Both Clemson wide receiver Sammy Watkins and Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack are from the state of Florida. How did they get out of the state?
I’m going to reference two words: “Ceiling” and “Floor.” Let me define both:
Ceiling: The best the player can be, his fullest potential.
Floor: The worst a player can be in the event he doesn’t reach his potential.
Let’s use South Carolina pass rusher Jadeveon Clowney as an example. Clowney has everything you look for as a pass rusher. He’s a great athlete who has dominated throughout his career. Simply put, Clowney is a great talent with the production to match and is virtually unblockable when he’s going all-out. So his ceiling is obviously very high. In fact, in my opinion, it’s the highest of any player on the draft board.
The downside, however, is that Clowney had a poor 2013 season. He has been labeled as inconsistent and a sometimes difficult player to coach. This can easily affect his ability to reach his ceiling and if so, the question becomes what’s the worst he can be? Given that Clowney is a pure pass rusher and just mediocre as a run stopper, if he fails to develop against the run, what’s his floor? Most likely, it would be the lowest of my top-five players.
Different criticisms abound regarding Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel. That’s why I have Clowney and Manziel ranked fourth and fifth, respectively, simply because it’s tough to determine what their floors truly are.
Most players who end up busting out of the league have low floors. It’s very hard for players to dominate in the NFL. Most players are role players and are solid, but not special starters. The league is predominately made up of those types. For a player to be special at the NFL level is a rare feat. At the college level, a great athlete can be flawed but still play to 70-80 percent of his abilities and dominate because there is such a disparity in talent between the top athletes and the next level down. This isn’t the case in the NFL.
While there still is a disparity between the top athletes at the professional ranks, the disparity isn’t nearly as great as it is in college football. These players get hit with the labels like “underachiever,” “can’t play with pain” and “soft.” All of these terms define the flaw the player had in college, but you really didn’t notice it until he got to the next level.
MY TOP FIVE
1. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn: Robinson is the safest, most talented player in this year’s draft. Gifted tackles like him have a good history of playing well and for a long time in the NFL. Somebody recently compared Robinson to San Francisco’s Anthony Davis, but that’s talking apples and oranges. Robinson is the next Walter Jones, with a rare combination of power and athleticism.
2. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson: No receiver has been this electrifying since Calvin Johnson came out of Georgia Tech. He is big, fast and explosive. Watkins’ after-the-catch yards are unreal. He is competitive and explosive. He has a rare ability and rare skill set in that he can be lethal as both a vertical receiver and in the short game. He’s Sterling Sharp with top-end speed. Watkins saved his best game for last in Clemson’s bowl game win over Ohio State. However, he’s young and will have to be handled the right way. Watkins is sensitive and naive, but he wants to be great and with the right coach and quarterback, he will be.
3. Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo: Not an elite athlete, though his workout numbers would differ, but has an elite package. A combination of size, speed, strength and toughness with top production, as well as durability. People talk about Mack’s marginal coverage skills, but who cares? Linebackers don’t go into the Hall of Fame because of their coverage ability. Remember, Lawrence Taylor didn’t know when to drop or where to drop. The old saying comes to mind when I think about Mack: “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.” He can rush the passer in a variety of ways, has a big motor and is stout versus the run.
4. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina: Has it all. When his motor is running, he can’t be blocked by one player. He can win the one-on-one battles with his speed and his moves. He’s scary, in that you don’t know how to play him, so offensives will wind up assigning two players to defend him. That means Clowney is a player that offensive coordinators are going to have to account for and that, in turn, messes with their game plans. But the big question is can you trust him? He won’t play hard 100 percent of the time for 16 games because it’s simply not in his DNA. He’s never had to work for anything and he’s going to be rewarded by being the first or second overall pick, so why should he change his behavior now? You’ve rewarded it! That’s his biggest knock in my book. The key to Clowney is figuring out if he has a pride factor. If so, he’ll set new standards at the position.
5. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M: You got to love him, but I wouldn’t touch him unless I knew there was a rock solid plan in place that tailors to his style. It’s not how he measures, it’s how are you are going to play him. Right now, the only coach I would trust to handle Manziel correctly would be Sean Payton and maybe offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak and 49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh. All three played the quarterback position and know how to both develop signal-callers and develop schemes with the non-conventional types. Manziel is not Drew Brees. Brees made his living in the pocket as a colligate player, Manziel didn’t. Durability will be an issue. He’s not a natural leader, but his teammates respond to him and that’s what counts. Manziel will do more to elevate the overall play of a team right now than any other player on the board.
THE NEXT FIVE
This next level I look at a bit differently. This level features the players who have the highest floors and are the best bet to play to their ceilings. This is not to say the following five guys won’t be outstanding players, because they very well can be. The likes of Cris Carter, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith and Mike Singletary are some players who probably would have fallen into this category, but not solely because of athletic prowess.
6. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
7. Taylor Lewan OT, Michigan
8. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
9. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburg
10. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A & M
Follow Jerry on Twitter: @RealJerryAngelo
Jerry Angelo was the General Manager of the Chicago Bears from 2001 to 2012. Prior to joining the Bears, Angelo spent 14 years overseeing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' scouting department as their Director of Player Personnel. Angelo graduated from Miami University in 1971.
Grahamburn
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massraider
Footballguy
From Norris' article:jurb26 said:
Three weeks away from the draft, and people are going to call out some mock drafter because his probably incorrect picks aren't the same as everyone else's probably incorrect picks.
This time last year, everyone mocked Floyd to Oakland. Donald to Oakland makes as much sense as Mack or Watkins to Oakland.
Minnesota trading back, and landing Bortles has as much chance of happening as anything else.
We need MORE mocks like this, not less.
massraider
Footballguy
Tony Pauline:
The latest rumors and insider notes as well as updates on visits and workouts. Update: April 10th- Mike Evans top ten- but to whom?
April 10th
- Sources close to the team say if Calvin Pryor/S/Louisville drops into the second day he is a priority for the Detroit Lions.
– Consensus is Mike Evans/WR/Texas A&M is a lock to be a top ten pick. Several teams feel the spread between he and Sammy Watkins of Clemson is not a great as many are making it out to be, something I completely agree with.Based on conversations its my educated “guess” the team who selects Evans will make a trade to acquire his services . Right now it looks like three teams are the frontrunners to make some sort of move for Evans. If the St Louis Ramstrade out of the second spot, and they will make every effort to do as much, Evans would be a target assuming they stay in the top ten. Two teams selecting in the middle of the first frame who are very high on Evans and would consider trading up to grab him are the Philadelphia Eagles and Baltimore Ravens.
– Now that DeSean Jackson is no longer with the organization receiver becomes a need for the Philadelphia Eagles. With the way this draft shapes up a receiver in round one is a likely possibility if they stand pat at pick 22.I’ve mentioned Brandin Cooks of Oregon State being a good fit for the team and I understand he’ll be a consideration in round one. The other wide out I expect to get play from the Eagles is Marquis Lee of USC.
– Several teams presently grade Zach Martin of Notre Dame ahead of Michigan’s Taylor Lewan. For the record I disagree and feel Lewan is the most underappreciated of the top tackles. I’m told Martin offers potential at four spots on the offensive line, both tackle and guard spots, and is less prone to making mental mistakes compared to Lewan.
– For some reason people seem to be sleeping on Phillip Gaines, the big bodied cornerback from Rice who stunned scouts by clocking as fast as 4.31s in the forty at the combine. Gaines had dinner with the Jacksonville Jaguarslast month the evening before his pro-day and has trips lined up with the New York Giants, Arizona Cardinals, Miami Dolphins and Buffalo Bills. He’s also worked out with the Cincinnati Bengals and Tampa Bay Bucs. Gaines is presently rated as a fifth rounder on our cornerback board.
– On Tuesday evening I reported the New England Patriots worked out Virginia Tech prospects Logan Thomas and DJ Coles. There’s some additional insight on this workout. The feeling league wide is the Patriots will take a quarterback at some point in the draft as they expect to lose Ryan Mallett at the end of next season, hence the interest in Thomas. As far as Coles is concerned, I’m told the Patriots had him do a lot of tight end work during the 45 minutes spent in position drills. This included coming out of a three point stance, blocking drills and lining up in the slot. Consider this; Coles measures in the area of 6-feet/3-inches and 235 pounds, timing in the high 4.4s in the forty. When the Patriots selected Aaron Hernandez his official measurements went 6-feet, 2.5-inches, 245lbs with a 4.58s forty time. Something to think about.
– Prior to the news he had torn a knee ligament during a workout with the New Orleans Saints, Brandon Thomas/OL/Clemson had official visits set up with theOakland Raiders, Dallas Cowboys, Miami Dolphins andCarolina Panthers as well as workouts with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Giants. Obviously the workouts are nixed and I’ve received no word on the visits.
– One offensive lineman on the mend, Spencer Long of Nebraska, is scheduled to hold a private workout on April 17th in which he’ll be doing offensive line drills. Long could end up being selected much earlier (4th round) than people presently project.
- Scouts were very impressed with Towson running backTerrance West during his pro-day workout earlier this week. In miserable conditions of pouring rain and cold weather, West tipped the scale at 230-pounds (five more than the combine) then looked good in drills. A number of the teams looking for a bigger back feel West has solidified himself as a fourth round choice.
– West was not the only one to turn heads during Towson’s pro-day. Cornerback Jordan Love, a free agent sleeper with a real chance as a dime back/special teams player at the next level, measured 5107/190lbs then timed 4.46s in the forty, 6.89 in the 3 cone and 4.00 in the short shuttle.
- I reported earlier Larry Webster spent the bulk of his time at Bloomsburg pro-day participating in tight end drills.The reviews have been positive. Though Webster showed some stiffness at his new position he caught the ball with his hands away from his frame rather than body catching.Webster has tremendous physical skills but scouts question his heart, something apparent on film. Webster does not play with the warrior mentality nor always look like the most competitive guy on the field.
The latest rumors and insider notes as well as updates on visits and workouts. Update: April 10th- Mike Evans top ten- but to whom?
April 10th
- Sources close to the team say if Calvin Pryor/S/Louisville drops into the second day he is a priority for the Detroit Lions.
– Consensus is Mike Evans/WR/Texas A&M is a lock to be a top ten pick. Several teams feel the spread between he and Sammy Watkins of Clemson is not a great as many are making it out to be, something I completely agree with.Based on conversations its my educated “guess” the team who selects Evans will make a trade to acquire his services . Right now it looks like three teams are the frontrunners to make some sort of move for Evans. If the St Louis Ramstrade out of the second spot, and they will make every effort to do as much, Evans would be a target assuming they stay in the top ten. Two teams selecting in the middle of the first frame who are very high on Evans and would consider trading up to grab him are the Philadelphia Eagles and Baltimore Ravens.
– Now that DeSean Jackson is no longer with the organization receiver becomes a need for the Philadelphia Eagles. With the way this draft shapes up a receiver in round one is a likely possibility if they stand pat at pick 22.I’ve mentioned Brandin Cooks of Oregon State being a good fit for the team and I understand he’ll be a consideration in round one. The other wide out I expect to get play from the Eagles is Marquis Lee of USC.
– Several teams presently grade Zach Martin of Notre Dame ahead of Michigan’s Taylor Lewan. For the record I disagree and feel Lewan is the most underappreciated of the top tackles. I’m told Martin offers potential at four spots on the offensive line, both tackle and guard spots, and is less prone to making mental mistakes compared to Lewan.
– For some reason people seem to be sleeping on Phillip Gaines, the big bodied cornerback from Rice who stunned scouts by clocking as fast as 4.31s in the forty at the combine. Gaines had dinner with the Jacksonville Jaguarslast month the evening before his pro-day and has trips lined up with the New York Giants, Arizona Cardinals, Miami Dolphins and Buffalo Bills. He’s also worked out with the Cincinnati Bengals and Tampa Bay Bucs. Gaines is presently rated as a fifth rounder on our cornerback board.
– On Tuesday evening I reported the New England Patriots worked out Virginia Tech prospects Logan Thomas and DJ Coles. There’s some additional insight on this workout. The feeling league wide is the Patriots will take a quarterback at some point in the draft as they expect to lose Ryan Mallett at the end of next season, hence the interest in Thomas. As far as Coles is concerned, I’m told the Patriots had him do a lot of tight end work during the 45 minutes spent in position drills. This included coming out of a three point stance, blocking drills and lining up in the slot. Consider this; Coles measures in the area of 6-feet/3-inches and 235 pounds, timing in the high 4.4s in the forty. When the Patriots selected Aaron Hernandez his official measurements went 6-feet, 2.5-inches, 245lbs with a 4.58s forty time. Something to think about.
– Prior to the news he had torn a knee ligament during a workout with the New Orleans Saints, Brandon Thomas/OL/Clemson had official visits set up with theOakland Raiders, Dallas Cowboys, Miami Dolphins andCarolina Panthers as well as workouts with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Giants. Obviously the workouts are nixed and I’ve received no word on the visits.
– One offensive lineman on the mend, Spencer Long of Nebraska, is scheduled to hold a private workout on April 17th in which he’ll be doing offensive line drills. Long could end up being selected much earlier (4th round) than people presently project.
- Scouts were very impressed with Towson running backTerrance West during his pro-day workout earlier this week. In miserable conditions of pouring rain and cold weather, West tipped the scale at 230-pounds (five more than the combine) then looked good in drills. A number of the teams looking for a bigger back feel West has solidified himself as a fourth round choice.
– West was not the only one to turn heads during Towson’s pro-day. Cornerback Jordan Love, a free agent sleeper with a real chance as a dime back/special teams player at the next level, measured 5107/190lbs then timed 4.46s in the forty, 6.89 in the 3 cone and 4.00 in the short shuttle.
- I reported earlier Larry Webster spent the bulk of his time at Bloomsburg pro-day participating in tight end drills.The reviews have been positive. Though Webster showed some stiffness at his new position he caught the ball with his hands away from his frame rather than body catching.Webster has tremendous physical skills but scouts question his heart, something apparent on film. Webster does not play with the warrior mentality nor always look like the most competitive guy on the field.
Given the issues/delays we're seeing in getting the 2014 schedule released, it would be great if the NFL switched the draft to April and then put the schedule release in May.
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GregR
Footballguy
The list of dates I built that from was awhile back and I guess assumed it would be about the same time. Edited it to reflect the present situation.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Manziel vs. Vick
Bortles vs. Tannehill
Watkins vs. Green
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342403/article/casserly-greg-robinsons-draft-grade-higher-than-trent-williams
Bortles vs. Tannehill
Watkins vs. Green
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342403/article/casserly-greg-robinsons-draft-grade-higher-than-trent-williams
Donnybrook
Footballguy
identikit
Footballguy
Beat writer Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer suggests that the Browns may target Washington Redskins backup quarterback Kirk Cousins in a draft-day trade.
The Browns have ten picks in the upcoming draft, while the Redskins are without a first-rounder and may be looking for additional selections in what is widely considered the deepest draft in recent memory. The Redskins are reportedly seeking a second-round pick for Cousins. That's not going to happen but they might be persuaded to accept a third-rounder. The Browns have been holding private workouts for several of the top quarterbacks in the upcoming draft but increasingly it seems they would prefer to use the No.4-overall pick on a top offensive tackle like Auburn's Greg Robinson or a great receiver like Clemson's Sammy Watkins to pair with breakout star Josh Gordon.
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/42002/Cleveland-writer-believes-Browns-could-target-QB-Kirk-Cousins-in-draft-day-trade/Default.aspx
The Browns have ten picks in the upcoming draft, while the Redskins are without a first-rounder and may be looking for additional selections in what is widely considered the deepest draft in recent memory. The Redskins are reportedly seeking a second-round pick for Cousins. That's not going to happen but they might be persuaded to accept a third-rounder. The Browns have been holding private workouts for several of the top quarterbacks in the upcoming draft but increasingly it seems they would prefer to use the No.4-overall pick on a top offensive tackle like Auburn's Greg Robinson or a great receiver like Clemson's Sammy Watkins to pair with breakout star Josh Gordon.
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/42002/Cleveland-writer-believes-Browns-could-target-QB-Kirk-Cousins-in-draft-day-trade/Default.aspx
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Catbird
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Agree with saintfool. After reading the article, the caption should have read, "All signs point to Rams drafting a QB in the mid to late rounds." Its about looking at Murray, Savage, Gilbert and Boyd - certainly not about them as one of the teams looking for a QB in the draft.
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SaintsInDome2006
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The first four picks will go:
HOU - Clowney
STL - Robinson
JAX - Mack
CLE - Watkins
HOU - Clowney
STL - Robinson
JAX - Mack
CLE - Watkins
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