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2014 NFL Draft thread (3 Viewers)

SaintsInDome2006 said:
The first four picks will go:

HOU - Clowney

STL - Robinson

JAX - Mack

CLE - Watkins
Evan Silva‏@evansilva18h

ESPN's Adam Schefter said he expects Jadeveon Clowney, Greg Robinson, Khalil Mack, and Sammy Watkins to be the first 4 picks in the draft.
That may be the case. The teams and slots may flip, and I could see a team jump into the top 4, but I'd expect the first four will go that way. Which leads to an interesting scenario at pick 5. Matthews seems to be the next guy up. But all 3 of the top QB's are still on the board. How long will the QB teams be playing chicken with the biggest need on their team? I think Manziel becomes the strongest trade bait at pick 5. Him or Bortles.

 
30 prospects attending the draft, THIRTY! Wow, WTF? As if it hasn't become enough of a circus.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000342941/article/johnny-manziel-leads-record-30-prospects-attending-2014-draft
It's almost as if they want to provide the drama of some poor kid sitting in the green room looking like a schmuck as he plummets in the draft. Only the top 10 or so prospects should be invited.
I think they want people there for the second day...now that they have two prime time slots, they need something to entertain the people that don't know anything outside of the top 10 picks...

 
I'd love to see this. Rams fans should too. I know it's popular to give Bradford another chance, and maybe he deserves it, but he's so expensive that if they Rams can find a good starting QB with their 2nd pick then it makes too much sense to go for that and save some cash next year by moving on. An improvising Manziel might do better in a division with rough defenses like SFO, SEA and ARI than Bradford.

I also noticed that Lewan's stock is rising in the drafnik world. I guess people are ignoring his character issues.

Darqueeze Dennard at 24 is a steal.

Teddy Bridgewater to the Browns at 26 is something I don't believe.

6 WRs in the first round. I wonder how this will affect all the fringe fantasy WRs? Who will drop out just based on the indirect lack of opportunity?

 
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That's why what Joe Thomas did was so awesome.

"Sit at the draft? Uh, no. I'm going fishing. Let me know where I'll be living."
You gotta respect a guy that goes to work when it's time to work, and doesn't do the foolish showbiz stuff.
He chooses not to do the showbiz stuff.

Others choose to profit from the showbiz stuff.

Why would either be more respected than the other? Both are the choice of the individual.

 
That's why what Joe Thomas did was so awesome.

"Sit at the draft? Uh, no. I'm going fishing. Let me know where I'll be living."
You gotta respect a guy that goes to work when it's time to work, and doesn't do the foolish showbiz stuff.
Am I imagining things, or did he still invite an ESPN crew to go out there with him? I seem to remember footage of him on that boat.

Not being critical at all...just saying that's not quite passing on "showbiz stuff".

 
That's why what Joe Thomas did was so awesome.

"Sit at the draft? Uh, no. I'm going fishing. Let me know where I'll be living."
You gotta respect a guy that goes to work when it's time to work, and doesn't do the foolish showbiz stuff.
He chooses not to do the showbiz stuff.

Others choose to profit from the showbiz stuff.

Why would either be more respected than the other? Both are the choice of the individual.
Exactly. I'm okay with either perspective. You at least have to respect that each made their own choice.

As for me, if I was in the position to accept or decline an invitation to the draft, I'd probably decline. Don't get me wrong, I love the spotlight focused on me and enjoy it when it is (karaoke night, winning fantasy championships, "hey, who's that smokin' hot chick hangin' on Rody?", etc.) But, while I have a large ego sometimes, it is fragile too. I would not be interested in sitting around RCMH for 2 days waiting to see who wants my services. I think it would be somewhat demoralizing to sit there and wait when I had a differing scenario envisioned in my mind. Forget that, I too would rather be out enjoying my time off before it's time to get back to work....FOR REAL. I have no allegiance to any of he 32 teams at this point in time. Once a team selects me, I'll give them 100%.

 
Tough sledding watching footage of kids waiting by their phone, surrounded by fam and friends, expecting to go early... and the party ends and theyre still not drafted.

Gotta be a shot to the ego, and while you def dont look like a chump to your fam (youre still going to the NFL), it's still gotta burn you inside...

Way too many kids being invited to the draft. Im starting to think the NFL wants to show more of the "heartbreak" that goes along w being drafted - and this way they can make docs about it in the future.

you'll see...

 
Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

The ‘Torturous’ 2014 Draft
That description—courtesy of an NFL head coach, on the process of evaluating this year’s QB prospects—also fits the interminable walkup to the league’s pushed-back May draft. With two weeks to go, here’s what we think we knowEDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. — In my travels over the past week to watch Johnny Manziel game tape with people who know quarterbacks and quarterback play (more about that next week in Sports Illustrated and The MMQB), I had a coach tell me that trying to figure out which passer to pick this year is “torturous.” I’ll have a good chunk about the quarterback dilemma with one under-pressure general manager’s view of the QB market … and why he agrees with the “torturous” description.

But 17 days before the draft begins (Lord help us: Seventeen more mind-numbing days of this), here’s what I’m hearing:

  • Houston, at No. 1, isn’t set on Jadeveon Clowney. In fact, one FORS (Friend of Rick Smith) told me the Texans general manager likes Khalil Mack over Clowney, and we still don’t know which quarterback Houston would choose if it chooses one first overall. I still think the Texans would go with a more sure thing with the first overall pick than a quarterback—and that sure thing could also be tackle Greg Robinson. But imagine Mack, the outside linebacker from the University of Buffalo, being the first pick in a stacked draft. Wouldn’t that be something—a second straight Mid-American Conference player (Eric Fisher, Central Michigan, by Kansas City) as the top pick in the NFL draft?
  • Jacksonville is the most logical spot for the loser of the No. 1 pick derby between Clowney and Mack. GM David Caldwell and coach Gus Bradley want a pass-rusher, badly.
  • Detroit taking a tight end? I doubt it, but North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron, the clear top player at the position in this year’s draft, was asked by one team he visited recently who he thought would pick him. “Detroit,’’ he said.
  • Arizona is sweet on a couple of quarterbacks, Derek Carr and A.J. McCarron, who are first- and second-round possibilities. With coach Bruce Arians’ love of the deep ball, McCarron in round two seems a bit of a reach. I will say this about McCarron: He doesn’t have a great deep arm by any standard, but he’s an accurate deep-ball thrower when he does air it out.
  • Pittsburgh likes Odell Beckham and Brandin Cooks at wide receiver, and one or both should be there at No. 15 if that’s the direction the Steelers go—and they need to replenish the position after losing two receivers in free agency in two years. (I’d go corner if I were GM Kevin Colbert.)
  • Tampa Bay is partial to, among others, Texas A&M wide receiver Mike Evans at No. 7. I’ve watched a lot of Johnny Manziel tape recently, and I’ll say this about Evans: supremely talented, extremely hot-headed. He’d better cure his immaturity on the field, and fast.
  • Hot guys right now: Ohio State linebacker Ryan Shazier, Notre Dame tackle/guard Zack Martin, Boise State defensive end Demarcus Lawrence. Cold guys right now: Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, UCLA linebacker Anthony Barr, Alabama tackle Cyrus Kouandjio.
  • If Michigan tackle Taylor Lewan gets past Detroit (picking 10th in the first round), the Giants (12th) and the Steelers (15th), I doubt sincerely Baltimore would pass on him.
  • Oakland? Clueless there. Sorry, Black Hole people. The Raiders seem like a logical place for Johnny Manziel, but Oakland hasn’t exactly been the bastion of quarterback wisdom in this century. (See Stat of the Week.)
* * *​
Why this is a bad year to stake your reputation on a quarterback.

As I said, I’ve been traveling to measure what smart people think about Manziel. In so doing, and in talking to a few of the decision-makers whose necks will be on the line, I’ve reached a conclusion about the position and the men who are charged with picking the passers this year.

It is a torturous decision, as the coach of a quarterback-needy team told me. As a GM, if you take a quarterback in the first round, any of them, you’re going to go home and not sleep well that night. If you pass on a quarterback with some spellbinding tools—Manziel, for instance—you’re going to go home and not sleep well that night, fearing what you’ve passed up.

The measuring for one such team, Minnesota, begins today. The Vikings begin eight days of final meetings to set their draft board this morning at the team facility south of Minneapolis. And GM Rick Spielman knows that his job, and the job of his coaches and scouts, might well ride on the two- or three-year results of what they do on this draft weekend. Because this is the year the Vikings should be in position to get their quarterback of the future.

Whomever that is.

“The torture part of it,’’ said Spielman, “is you see a player sitting there when you pick who you know can help you right away, a significant player at another position, an impact player as a rookie. Then you ask yourself, ‘How do we feel about our options at quarterback in the second or third round? Is it close? Is there a big separation, or is it close?’ We’ve broken them down in all the ways we could think of. Analytically—measuring them against their five toughest opponents, indoor-versus-outdoor, by psychological testing, and it is such a mixed bag.

“That’s a big reason why we made it a high priority to sign Matt Cassel back. Every one of these quarterbacks … nothing is a sure thing. There’s no Andrew Luck, no Peyton Manning. It is such a mixed bag with each player—every one of them has positives, every one of them has negatives. And if that’s the way you end up feeling, why don’t you just wait ’til later in the draft, and take someone with the first pick you’re sure will help you right now?

“I agree with that coach, whoever it is. It is torturous this year.”

Spielman said the big benefit for Minnesota will be that, on the weekend before the draft, new offensive coordinator Norv Turner will get his hands on Cassel and Christian Ponder on the field during head coach Mike Zimmer’s first mini-camp of the off-season. So Spielman would have had his eight days of meetings, and Turner would have had his three days on the field with the quarterbacks, and then the staff would be able to know: How urgent is our need at quarterback, and how much of a consensus do we have on one of the college guys in this draft?

“Ideally,’’ said Spielman, “if we did pick a quarterback this year we would want to redshirt him anyway, and when he’d be ready to go, he’d play. But he’d probably use this year as a learning year. I can say that now, before our meetings, we’ll have the coaches and scouts speak, but if we are going to consider a quarterback at eight, I better have consensus in the building that this is our guy. We all better feel good about one guy.’’

I asked Spielman about the pressure of picking a quarterback in a year when all of them have zits.

“There’s always pressure,’’ he said. “This year, there’s more.’’

This year reminds me of 2011. In fact, GMs should learn from that year. Check out the quarterbacks picked in the top 100 that year:

1. Cam Newton, Carolina
8. Jake Locker, Tennessee
10. Blaine Gabbert, Jacksonville
12. Christian Ponder, Minnesota
35. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati
36. Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco
74. Ryan Mallett, New England

My point: Don’t put the pressure on Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles by picking them so high. Pick a surer thing in the first round, then a quarterback from a large pool in the second round. Or third.

Just as in 2012, when the Seahawks (Russell Wilson, 73rd overall pick) and the Eagles (Nick Foles (88th) picked quarterbacks at the right time, teams could do the same this year. Should do the same, really.
 
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I didn't see it as hideous in terms of the what players the teams picked. They all filled desperate holes. My problem was all the trades. That was crazy. No way those trades get made. One or two maybe, but not all of them.
They gave his team a QB=hideous.
Ya that was hideous. But in general it was ugly

 
Enough of the mock drafts. It's the mock mock draft. The one that mocks the mock drafts.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/4/22/5638566/2014-nfl-mock-mock-draft

My favorites:

4. Cleveland - Eric Ebron, TE
Closest they'll get to having Lebron again imo.
5. Oakland - Tom Savage, QB
Can you imagine the Black Hole when a guy named Savage leads the mighty Raidahs around the turn at third and powers through to home plate for the win? Bye, tarps.

8. Minnesota - James White, RB
After losing Toby Gerhart in FA, they have a clear need at the white RB position. While it's true that James is not Caucasian, his last name is White and he did go to Wisconsin.

23. Kansas City - Mike Evans, WR
Perfect deep ball threat for franchise Winner Alex Smith. With elite weapons all around him and a great defense, he should once again reach his full potential of winning a playoff game.
 
Enough of the mock drafts. It's the mock mock draft. The one that mocks the mock drafts.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/4/22/5638566/2014-nfl-mock-mock-draft
Oh lord. The first response in the comments section...

i know u want serious repliesbut are u being serious when u made up this mock draft. i mean dont get me wrong anything can happen in the draft but do u really think clowney is going to fall to 32 in the draft and secondly why in God’s green earth would we have competition at left tackle? i’m just curious.
by 1stonedjag on Apr 22, 2014 | 6:07 PM reply
 
And since he didn't realize that Mock mock drafts mock the Mock drafts, he was severely (wait for it).....scorned and ridiculed.

 
For what it is worth, ESPN scout ratings using their draft machine

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/features/draftmachine/

[SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Sammy Watkins[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]96[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]2[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Mike Evans[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]94[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]3[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Eric Ebron[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]93[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]4[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Blake Bortles[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]93[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Teddy Bridgewater[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]92[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]6[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Brandin Cooks[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]91[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]7[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Johnny Manziel[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]91[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]8[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Odell Beckham Jr[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]91[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]9[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Marqise Lee[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]90[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]10[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Kelvin Benjamin[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]88[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]11[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Cody Latimer[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]86[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]12[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Carlos Hyde[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]86[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]13[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Jace Amaro[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]85[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]14[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Davante Adams[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]82[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]15[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Troy Niklas[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]81[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]16[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Jarvis Landry[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]80[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]17[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Austin Seferian-Jenkins[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]80[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]18[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Bishop Sankey[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]80[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]19[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Jordan Matthews[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]79[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]20[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Jimmy Garoppolo[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]79[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]21[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]A.J. McCarron[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]78[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]22[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Paul Richardson[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]77[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]23[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Bruce Ellington[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]76[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]24[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Tom Savage[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]76[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]25[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Jeremy Hill[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]76[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]26[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]C.J. Fiedorowicz[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]74[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]27[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Martavis Bryant[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]73[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]28[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Brandon Coleman[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]72[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]29[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Tre Mason[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]72[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]30[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]Allen Robinson[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]71[/SIZE]

 
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Enough of the mock drafts. It's the mock mock draft. The one that mocks the mock drafts.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/4/22/5638566/2014-nfl-mock-mock-draft

My favorites:

4. Cleveland - Eric Ebron, TE

Closest they'll get to having Lebron again imo.

5. Oakland - Tom Savage, QB

Can you imagine the Black Hole when a guy named Savage leads the mighty Raidahs around the turn at third and powers through to home plate for the win? Bye, tarps.

8. Minnesota - James White, RB

After losing Toby Gerhart in FA, they have a clear need at the white RB position. While it's true that James is not Caucasian, his last name is White and he did go to Wisconsin.

23. Kansas City - Mike Evans, WR

Perfect deep ball threat for franchise Winner Alex Smith. With elite weapons all around him and a great defense, he should once again reach his full potential of winning a playoff game.
I liked:

15. Pittsburgh - Brandin Cooks, WR/search WR prospects /sort by height /pick shortest
 
Draft really sucks to watch now anyways.
Totally agree. This 3 day bull#### pisses me off. Last year totally sucked with little offense in the 1st round. I think I turned it off last year and waited for Friday. I liked when it ate up Saturday and Sunday.

 
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Completely agree.

I mean, what would they do? Split the 2nd & 3rd rounds into their own days? There are certainly talented players there but please no.
I think they would either do

1 / 2 / 3&4 / 5&6&7

or

1 / 2&3 / 4&5 / 6&7 /

Terrible idea to stretch it out more

 
Completely agree.

I mean, what would they do? Split the 2nd & 3rd rounds into their own days? There are certainly talented players there but please no.
I think they would either do

1 / 2 / 3&4 / 5&6&7

or

1 / 2&3 / 4&5 / 6&7 /

Terrible idea to stretch it out more
Or

Picks 1-16/Picks 17-32/Rounds 2&3/Rounds 4-7

Never put anything past them

 
Completely agree.

I mean, what would they do? Split the 2nd & 3rd rounds into their own days? There are certainly talented players there but please no.
I think they would either do

1 / 2 / 3&4 / 5&6&7

or

1 / 2&3 / 4&5 / 6&7 /

Terrible idea to stretch it out more
Or

Picks 1-16/Picks 17-32/Rounds 2&3/Rounds 4-7

Never put anything past them
:lmao: wait :mellow: probably their plans.. :wall:

 

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