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Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Well that was a huge waste of time...
Time to see what QBs come available and hopefully we don't regress
Time to see what QBs come available and hopefully we don't regress
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I don't know... I think we're looking at taking a guy where we are or even 2nd round. I was wondering what free agents might come available and hoping we might get lucky there. Personally I'd love to draft a guy AND get a free agent type looking to resurrect his career. Possibly Kaepernick, RGIII, Manziel... not saying I'm a fan of those guys just wondering about guys in situations like that, along with getting a rookie.
If we could be guaranteed of getting a future stud, I'd trade the whole draft for him though. Just kinda trying to discuss all the options.
Jayded
Footballguy
They need to get really aggressive with the QB position IMO; dare I say like the Redskins did. I'm in favor of moving up to pick a QB in the first round (only Goff IMO) and then draft Kevin Hogan in the 4th or 5th round.
No to Cook, Lynch, or Hackenberg. Too many question marks and I like Hogan a lot as the later round pick in this draft. His volume of starts at Stanford has been shown to be a good barometer for NFL potential and he's looked solid most of this season.
No to Cook, Lynch, or Hackenberg. Too many question marks and I like Hogan a lot as the later round pick in this draft. His volume of starts at Stanford has been shown to be a good barometer for NFL potential and he's looked solid most of this season.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
Do any of you Texans fans think the coach should have sat Hoyer at least somewhere in the 3rd quarter? I was surprised he played the whole game.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Probably loathe to do it because of how he did it the first game and the way the season played out. I'd have liked to have seen him pulled earlier as well, seemed pretty obvious he wasn't going to get it done. Take a chance the QB switch sparks something positive....drfeelgood said:
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I like that idea quite a bit. Definitely not a fan of Hack or Cook. Not sure how feasible it is to get up high enough or that this organization will be that aggressive. It would certainly be nice to have a guy we could get excited about for onceJayded said:
GregR
Footballguy
I would have pulled him probably after the first series in the 3rd quarter, or at least after the 2nd series if not.
I don't think Weeden in general would have been more likely to win a game so I understand the thinking of keeping Hoyer going in that respect. But I think you can reach a point that further setbacks by the same guy could destroy the rest of the team's mental state or morale in the game. And a good play from a sub could help spark something and have the rest of the offense playing free. So I'd have made the change mainly for that reason, but realizing it probably wasn't going to turn it around.
The loss seemed quite squarely on Hoyer though so the calls to replace him were understandable. Hoyer and the special teams unit. The defense faced what, 4 first half turnovers and only gave up 6 points? The running game was slow early but got better as the game went on. Offensive line gave Hoyer as much time to throw as an NFL QB can expect. Hoyer feels pressure moderately well but really sucks at his choices in moving to avoid it. Things like not stepping up far enough to be able to throw the ball clean, and a lot of the pass rush issues they had it was in his power to have prevented but he failed in avoiding it when he could have.
Finally the defense caved with Watt's injury and more failures by Hoyer. Obviously QB is a situation that still needs to be addressed. I don't know if Goff or anyone else is an answer this draft, haven't watched him enough personally to feel well informed on him. If they think someone is an answer then I'm fine with giving up a lot to go get him. But I don't want them doing it out of desperation and reaching for someone they only grade high because they feel the pressure to find someone immediately. I think Seattle had a good approach to finding a QB when they weren't getting chances at 1st round prospects. Throw a lot of darts until one sticks or until you're in a position to get that great prospect. Seattle had Flynn, Whitehurst, Tarvaris Jackson, and finally Russell Wilson competing. I think that's about the best shot you can take if you're not in position to draft a top guy, give yourself a lot of chances for someone to develop. Which means moving on from people like Hoyer, Mallet and Fitzpatrick once you feel they aren't a long term answer.
Ideal would be Saints cutting Brees for cap reasons and get him and line up some young guys to try to develop behind him. I don't know how likely it is they would let him go even with his huge cap hit though.
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Footballguy
I hear what you're saying Greg... Seems like the Texans haven't thrown enough darts and simply settled for poor to mediocre options like Mallett, Hoyer, and Fitzpatrick. Savage is the only one I can recall. Brees would be great but I don't see him going anywhere with Payton staying.
Whatever we do I certainly hope we overhaul the position significantly. Is it too much to ask to clean out the position group?
Whatever we do I certainly hope we overhaul the position significantly. Is it too much to ask to clean out the position group?
dhockster
Footballguy
Here's the problem with O'Brien's decision to bench Hoyer in the opener and then later admitting it was a mistake: He really couldn't bench Hoyer in the second half of the playoff game without looking like he hadn't learned anything from the beginning of the season. However, this was different because this was the playoffs. One and done. Hoyer clearly didn't have it. It wasn't like he was a little off, he was a LOT off. The right move would have been to bring in Weeden after the first drive of the second half. The good news is bringing in Weeden wouldn't have given the Texans a different result. They would have lost anyway especially with Watt going down in the second half. However, it was sad to see O'Brien put himself in a position where he did not feel he could make the best move for the team.
dhockster
Footballguy
They do need to improve TE. Hoyer threw to the TE quite a bit, and Griffin and Fedorowicz dropped a lot of balls. Having a better option helps regardless of the QB.
Tons of cap space, but who is worth spending it on? Hopkins will likely get a big extension taking a chunk, maybe they sign a FA RB to try to replace Foster or another trash heap QB to compete instead of Hoyer.
Can help fill some holes in FA as we need another WR, TE upgrade and some oline help. Need some d'line help too if Crick walks, feel like Wilfork was a waste of money as we all guessed he would be.
Can help fill some holes in FA as we need another WR, TE upgrade and some oline help. Need some d'line help too if Crick walks, feel like Wilfork was a waste of money as we all guessed he would be.
Jayded
Footballguy
I've seen a lot of people note we need a RB in the first because it's unlikely a QB will fall to us, which tells me we may have to consider trading up to not let the Bridgewater situation happen again. What could make sense is if we believe Lynch or Wentz is our guy, we trade up just enough to get him and sign a veteran RB like Matt Forte that can hold the RB position for a few years with solid play before we have to draft a top of draft RB.
dhockster
Footballguy
-extend D'Andre
-sign a FA TE (preferably Green or Allen)
-sign a FA RB (not top dollar, but capable)
-Re-sign Ben Jones
-Draft a young QB in the first round. Trade up if you have to, to get the guy you want.
-Draft a RB fairly high.
-Fill out the draft with Oline, Dline, perhaps add a safety if there is one you like.
-Keep Hoyer one more year while young QB learns system. Start young QB as soon as he is ready.
-Find a kicker who can consistently kick it out of the end zone.
The above moves assumes that the Texans are going to cut Arian Foster.
-sign a FA TE (preferably Green or Allen)
-sign a FA RB (not top dollar, but capable)
-Re-sign Ben Jones
-Draft a young QB in the first round. Trade up if you have to, to get the guy you want.
-Draft a RB fairly high.
-Fill out the draft with Oline, Dline, perhaps add a safety if there is one you like.
-Keep Hoyer one more year while young QB learns system. Start young QB as soon as he is ready.
-Find a kicker who can consistently kick it out of the end zone.
The above moves assumes that the Texans are going to cut Arian Foster.
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Footballguy
Foster's value seems quite low these days... any chance of a reworked, possibly incentive-laced deal for him? Can't imagine he'd get much on the open market given his age and injury history... maybe his best play is staying here under a reworked deal?
dhockster
Footballguy
My only concern about a reworked deal, is yes, the Texans are protected from a major financial hit, but they still can't count on him to be there for the majority of the season. I would rather sign a FA would might have less talent than Foster, but has a much greater chance of playing 16 games for the Texans next season.
Exactly. Our lack of a contingency plan really bit us this past year. Blue is terrible. I don't have a lot of hope for RBs coming back from achilles injuries, but if for some reason we do bring Foster back, we need to find a reliable FA backup like Pit did with DeAngelo backing up Bell. That worked out a lot better for them than Blue backing up Foster worked out for us.
Jayded
Footballguy
Let's debate QBs. Who do you like and not like and where would you draw the line for our first round pick? Assume for the latter question that at least one QB is taken before us so it's more of a question of how many of this year's QBs you see as first round talent.
In another thread I listed my QB preference as Goff, Wentz, Hogan, Prescott, Cook, Lynch, Hackenberg. As much as it pains me to say, I think I'd have to pass on a first round QB as soon as I saw Wentz go off the board and don't think we have the picks or players I'd want to give to move up high enough to definitively secure him unless he starts falling closer to the later teens.
In that scenario, I really love what Kevin Hogan did this year at Stanford ahead of some of the other QBs considered much higher (Cook, Lynch) and over the prototypical measurement QB that has history with O'Brien. If we must, I'd go ahead with RB (if we don't sign a solid FA), and likely OT in 2nd, with Hogan in the 3rd/4th over reaching for anyone else. I could even see a Washington-esque scenario where Cook/Lynch fall to us in the 2nd and we pick one there and Hogan again later and make them compete with Savage.
In another thread I listed my QB preference as Goff, Wentz, Hogan, Prescott, Cook, Lynch, Hackenberg. As much as it pains me to say, I think I'd have to pass on a first round QB as soon as I saw Wentz go off the board and don't think we have the picks or players I'd want to give to move up high enough to definitively secure him unless he starts falling closer to the later teens.
In that scenario, I really love what Kevin Hogan did this year at Stanford ahead of some of the other QBs considered much higher (Cook, Lynch) and over the prototypical measurement QB that has history with O'Brien. If we must, I'd go ahead with RB (if we don't sign a solid FA), and likely OT in 2nd, with Hogan in the 3rd/4th over reaching for anyone else. I could even see a Washington-esque scenario where Cook/Lynch fall to us in the 2nd and we pick one there and Hogan again later and make them compete with Savage.
GregR
Footballguy
Houston Texans: The Texans should be well-positioned in terms of salary cap space, especially after making some cap-saving moves. They'd also save about $7 million by releasing Arian Foster; $2.3 million by releasing Rahim Moore, who should be allowed to seek opportunities elsewhere; and another $2.4 million by releasing Garrett Graham, who was inactive once the Texans had two other healthy tight ends. Those are some obvious potential moves, but many more could follow and give the Texans some good financial flexibility heading into free agency. -- Tania Ganguli
GregR
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