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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (1 Viewer)

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TobiasFunke said:
Embiid out for the rest of the regular season

Obviously a huge bummer for Philly and NBA fans, but in addition I wonder how this affects Rookie of the Year.  A number of undeserving, underwhelming guys are suddenly in the mix.
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yeah it is, but i think Dario is ahead of the other candidates right now cause of his better play in February carrying through with him being a starter now. 

But yeah, SIxers front office needs to figure out what the hell they are doing, with Embiid and Simmons getting hurt like this. If this isn't a poor attempt to tank or something more mysterious, then i have to wonder why the Sixers have so many injuries to their top guys. A lot of interesting news has come out recently that eludes to the Jrue injury mystery during the trade and the Bynum mess that has me less confident then before. not sure if it is communication or something worse. 

and yeah, i got tickets to the 4/8 game about a month and a half ago when it looked like Embiid had no problems and Simmons would be back. Yippee

 
What an entertaining game between the C's and Cavs...real nice win for the Celts after the Atlanta debacle...nice to have Avery Bradley back...he and Smart are a serious 1-2 punch on D...Kyrie made some silly shots...he is a handful...Cavs may have dug something up with Derrick Williams...I don't see anyone in the East being able to knock them off in a seven game series...

 
Its too bad the Celts couldn't pull off a George trade.   They have some really nice complimentary pieces and are well coached.  

 
The Heat is on a 17-3 run with a blowout win over the 76ers. The streak has included wins against GS, Hou (x2), Atl (x2). They face the Cavs and Toronto 3 times each in the last 21 games - we'll see if this team is something special. There'll be a complete makeover for 2017-2018, so I'm enjoying the ride. Waiters and James Johnson have played themselves out of Miami's ability to resign. Johnson has really been a pleasant surprise. 

 
sports_fan said:
Sixers clearly didn't need Noel on defense
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:bag:  Colangelo should have sold Jah for whatever he could have got. 

If the Sixers knew Embiid would be out for the year, why in the world would they trade Noel when they knew his value would go up? Sixers front office is looking to really find a way to kill any of the good Hinkie did. I can not imagine what the Sixers will get for Okafor in the off-season when they realize over the ourse of the next month and a half that there is no way they can put Okafor out in a Sixers uniform and not have the entire fanbase boo him

ETA: worst part is this mother ####er decided tonight would be the night he would go for some rebounds and caused me to lose my under rebounds bet on him. Damn i don't think i can ever like Okafor

 
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thecatch said:
Did Colangelo pick Okafor?
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not blaming him for the pick obviously, and that is a whole other story filled with rumors who actually made the decision to take Jahlil. But he did know this logjam was here and had a chance to deal him last draft or off-season. I don't blame him for taking a gamble on him either though, seemed to be worth a chance to see if he could produce at all and maybe get a possibly better return for Jah. Obvious gamble didn't work out, but i can't fault Colangelo for taking it

What does get me is that if the Sixers had a feeling Embiid was out for the year, why would you trade Noel for basically crap (2 seconds and Anderson is really underwhelming) instead of Okafor. I don't care if they had to trade Okafor for an expiring contract, they knew what they had in Okafor and have seen it over the course of 2 years. I don't think he can all of a sudden turn it around, particularly in the organization who sat hi out multiple games and held him out of games telling him he was getting traded. Frustrating to give away Noel for crap with the uncertainty of Embiid's health always being a concern and knowing that Okafor will never be a good fit on this team

ETA: only thing saving Colangelo is the fact that Holmes is a legit back-up center:

4-game numbers (both averaging a little over 12 pts, 5.5 Rs, 1 A in the same # of minutes):Okafor = 90 min, 0 Steals, 1 Blocks, 15 TOs, 13 PFsHolmes = 96 min, 5 Steals, 11 Blocks, 2 TOs, 10 PFs

* and the Okafor rebounds are a bit of a myth. The guy normally gets 1-2 a night if that. every once in awhile the ball just happens to bounce in his direction

 
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All of the C's talk is moving me more and more to being a fan.  I've had a mancrush on Stevens since his first season at Butler and all the stories of him leaving a cushy job in finance to start coaching and leading them to the 2nd round of the tournament.  He is doing exactly what I thought he would do when he took the Boston job, making the most of his roster and building a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.  Once those parts start to improve, he will be the next Pop.

Time to start buying some gear so I can't be called a bandwagon fan next season when they make a deep run.

 
Joker/Harris are a nice combo for Denver.  If only we had a PG other than Nelson and a true PF (PG might be Murray, but too early to tell).

 
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bananafish said:
I like Barnes too...always have. But they seem crazy in different ways. Green always comes off calculated to me, albeit immature at times. Barnes is just thuggish.

In other news, Woj is reporting that Durant's inner circle is bracing for him to be out months rather than weeks, for whatever that's worth (hopefully not much). 
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i wouldn't call Barnes "thuggish" so much as really thin skinned, defensive and immature. more of a Cousins temperament than, say, Oakley.

 
Jayrod said:
All of the C's talk is moving me more and more to being a fan.  I've had a mancrush on Stevens since his first season at Butler and all the stories of him leaving a cushy job in finance to start coaching and leading them to the 2nd round of the tournament.  He is doing exactly what I thought he would do when he took the Boston job, making the most of his roster and building a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.  Once those parts start to improve, he will be the next Pop.

Time to start buying some gear so I can't be called a bandwagon fan next season when they make a deep run.
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Welcome aboard...obviously I am biased but they are such an easy team to root for...love watching Stevens operate...having him and Belichik in the same town is a lot of fun...you get to see two guys who are very good at their craft but have different styles...check on this video on Stevens...I could listen to the guy all day long...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU16yG0kInM

 
That AB stop on Kyrie was my favorite play of the season. If the Celts' hands matched their feet, everyone else would be lookin up.

 
wikkidpissah said:
That AB stop on Kyrie was my favorite play of the season. If the Celts' hands matched their feet, everyone else would be lookin up.
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They obviously still got a good look in the end, but man, if I was a Cavs fan I wouldn't be too happy with hero ball Kyrie in that situation. That was an awful, awful look.

 
the moops said:
They obviously still got a good look in the end, but man, if I was a Cavs fan I wouldn't be too happy with hero ball Kyrie in that situation. That was an awful, awful look.
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That's Kyrie. He wins more isos than maybe even Harden

It's hard to criticize a coach who does so much with so little but, if i were coaching Celts v Cavs, AB would never leave Kyrie & Crowder would go minute-for-minute on LBJ.

 
rascal said:
Joker/Harris are a nice combo for Denver.  If only we had a PG other than Nelson and a true PF (PG might be Murray, but too early to tell).
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I think there is probably a 90% chance Murray will be the starting PG next season. With Jokic's skill set, they don't need a traditional PG. Harris and Jokic are definitely 2/5 of contending team a couple years from now.

 
I was reading up on the MVP race today and realized that LeBron is having a bit of a "down" year.

Looked over the advanced stats and he is clearly a notch below where he has been the rest of his career.  He's still a top 5 player in the NBA, but Westbrook and Harden are clearly above him this season.  Can't think of a season in the past 8 years where there was ever anyone clearly playing better, much less 2 guys.

Is the general consensus that he is just coasting a bit for the playoffs, or is he starting to slow down a bit?

 
Jayrod said:
I was reading up on the MVP race today and realized that LeBron is having a bit of a "down" year.

Looked over the advanced stats and he is clearly a notch below where he has been the rest of his career.  He's still a top 5 player in the NBA, but Westbrook and Harden are clearly above him this season.  Can't think of a season in the past 8 years where there was ever anyone clearly playing better, much less 2 guys.

Is the general consensus that he is just coasting a bit for the playoffs, or is he starting to slow down a bit?
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Check his Feb numbers (ie when he finally decides to start playing) and tell me he's clearly a notch below the rest of his career.

 
Jayrod said:
I was reading up on the MVP race today and realized that LeBron is having a bit of a "down" year.

Looked over the advanced stats and he is clearly a notch below where he has been the rest of his career.  He's still a top 5 player in the NBA, but Westbrook and Harden are clearly above him this season.  Can't think of a season in the past 8 years where there was ever anyone clearly playing better, much less 2 guys.

Is the general consensus that he is just coasting a bit for the playoffs, or is he starting to slow down a bit?
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I've watched a decent amount of Cavs basketball--and I just think that Westbrook and Harden are just asked to do more for their teams.   Before Kevin Love went down--he was having his best season as a Cav. Looked much more comfortable out there--and that helped take some off of Lebrons plate.  I think Kyrie is also being integrated better and has gotten better with experience--so that also helps.   Don't get me wrong--Father Time is still Father Time--but I still think Lebron is good enough to single handedly really carry a team on his back if he really had to--but so far this season--that hasn't been the case.   For Harden and Wesbrook---they kinda have to do it single handedly. 

 
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jvdesigns2002 said:
I've watched a decent amount of Cavs basketball--and I just think that Westbrook and Harden are just asked to do more for their teams.   Before Kevin Love went down--he was having his best season as a Cav. Looked much more comfortable out there--and that helped take some off of Lebrons plate.  I think Kyrie is also being integrated better and has gotten better with experience--so that also helps.   Don't get me wrong--Father Time is still Father Time--but I still think Lebron is good enough to single handedly really carry a team on his back if he really had to--but so far this season--that hasn't been the case.   For Harden and Wesbrook---they kinda have to do it single handedly. 
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This is kind of what I was thinking.  He's doing what he has to and no more.  I still think he's the best player in the world, but I'm just wondering how much longer we'll be saying that.

 
Jayrod said:
This is kind of what I was thinking.  He's doing what he has to and no more.  I still think he's the best player in the world, but I'm just wondering how much longer we'll be saying that.
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Just stop.

For Feb his slash was 26/7.2/10.6 on 63.7% shooting and 56.8% 3PT while playing 37 minutes a game.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Just stop.

For Feb his slash was 26/7.2/10.6 on 63.7% shooting and 56.8% 3PT while playing 37 minutes a game.
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Kevin Love's last game was February 11th--so the moment Lebron needed to do more for his team--he stepped right up and did it.  Dude is definitely still elite and is capable of producing at top levels when he needs to.  With that being said--I had no idea his February numbers were that solid.  Thanks for posting those.  

 
Sammy3469 said:
Just stop.

For Feb his slash was 26/7.2/10.6 on 63.7% shooting and 56.8% 3PT while playing 37 minutes a game.
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:shrug:  I'm definitely not a LeBron hater and I'm not trying to knock him at all.  I guess "doing what he has to and no more" was a bit strong, but I get the feeling he is saving some wear and tear a bit more this year than in year's past.

I was looking at his season advanced stats and his WS/48 of .220 is his lowest since 06-07 and his VORP of 5.3 is the lowest since his rookie year.  His PER is lower than the majority of his career as well.

 
Jayrod said:
This is kind of what I was thinking.  He's doing what he has to and no more.  I still think he's the best player in the world, but I'm just wondering how much longer we'll be saying that.
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Though i actively celeb-hate LBJ far more than any other athlete and more than any public figures but Oprah & OReilly, this all aint even close.The only difference in his game since he decided what he does is actually profound (the source of my disdain) is that he's easier to fluster than before because he considers his every act on the floor to be (to quote the wonderful book Little Big Man) a "Custer decision" and his concentration will momentarily cut out in bewilderment when successfully countered. I cannot enjoy watching a game he's in so i dont see him play much anymore but this wk's Celts game was a necessity. LeBron James is a b-ball cyborg. He turned an ankle during the game that would have meant three wks gone to anyone else, but he stared at it for 15 seconds like the vampire in Preacher and continued like nothing had happened. His power is unmatched in any sport and his gamesense, when he is not self-coronating, is the equal of any who've played ball. He's still a pisspoor basketball coach/GM and a pitiable human being, but everyone else is pretending when he's on the court. nufced

 
wikkidpissah said:
That AB stop on Kyrie was my favorite play of the season. If the Celts' hands matched their feet, everyone else would be lookin up.
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That play was fantastic...Kyrie's handle is insane...AB going step for step with him is as good of D as you can play in that spot...that being said it is my second favorite play...Smart's rejection of Jimmy Butler and than wrestling the ball away from multiple Bulls is mine...both these guys are top of the line defenders...

 
Anthony Davis jams finger(s) on bottom of backboard; getting x-ray'd.

ETA: Back on the court.

 
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Kev4029 said:
I think there is probably a 90% chance Murray will be the starting PG next season. With Jokic's skill set, they don't need a traditional PG. Harris and Jokic are definitely 2/5 of contending team a couple years from now.
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Hope you are right.  They need to trade some assets for a upcoming PF.  That plumlee trade was awful

 
bananafish said:
The end of that Spurs/Pels game was a good showing of horrific basketball.
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The last 4 minutes of regulation and most of overtime were an exercise to see who wanted it least.

 
The Lakers now own the 2nd worst record in the league. Watching tonight's game, I seriously question whether they can win another one this year. They look awful. Seems like Walton has lost them.

 
Gr00vus said:
The Lakers now own the 2nd worst record in the league. Watching tonight's game, I seriously question whether they can win another one this year. They look awful. Seems like Walton has lost them.
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I don't think they necessarily want to win another one.  I believe their pick is top 3 protected--so having a terrible record is beneficial for them.  With that being said---they do look pretty bad. I personally was expecting more out of Ingram.  He's getting plenty of opportunity to shine--but isn't really doing much with it. 

 
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