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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (3 Viewers)

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menobrown said:
If things go well for him and he keeps working on his game he's more Magic than Lebron. Passing is easily the best part of his game and why they are trying to turn him into a true PG, not just a point forward. I don't think he's as athletic as Lebron, will never be that kind of a scorer or defender.
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PG? So who is he going to guard on defense?

 
menobrown said:
If things go well for him and he keeps working on his game he's more Magic than Lebron. Passing is easily the best part of his game and why they are trying to turn him into a true PG, not just a point forward. I don't think he's as athletic as Lebron, will never be that kind of a scorer or defender.
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Not a knock on Simmons but he isn't Magic...Magic is the best PG I have ever seen and it came so natural to him...while he has elite skills I don't see Simmons being a full-time PG...I see Simmons being what Lamar Odom should have been if he wasn't such a knucklehead...

 
Boston said:
Not a knock on Simmons but he isn't Magic...Magic is the best PG I have ever seen and it came so natural to him...while he has elite skills I don't see Simmons being a full-time PG...I see Simmons being what Lamar Odom should have been if he wasn't such a knucklehead...
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He's a better passer than Odom. Its kind of hard to find a decent comparison for him because hes such a good passer at 6'10". Maybe Larry Bird if Bird couldn't shoot even a little and wasn't a great defender? A taller Draymond Green that plays average defense? Lebron, if Lebron didn't jump so high and with Lebron's left handed shooting skills? Odom if he passed the ball more and the crack pipe less?

 
Has Lebron announced his retirement yet now that Simmons is in the east, or is he just going to sign with Philly and hitch a ride to 4 or 5 more titles?

 
Boston said:
Not a knock on Simmons but he isn't Magic...Magic is the best PG I have ever seen and it came so natural to him...while he has elite skills I don't see Simmons being a full-time PG...I see Simmons being what Lamar Odom should have been if he wasn't such a knucklehead...
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His worse case comp is Odom IMO and he's not Magic now of course but I do think he has that kind of potential. That way it comes natural to Magic, that's exactly what I see with Simmons with everything except scoring/shooting. That's the part of his game he struggles with the most, just like Magic did when he first came in the league. If he never gets his shooting down maybe he's a bigger Jason Kidd, again that's the kind of feel for the game this kid looks like he has, to me anyway.

And whether you agree or not, the 76'ers current staff has said multiple times in past week the plan is start Simmons as more of a point forward with goal of working him into full time PG role so that's what they think he is.

I'm a lifelong 76'ers fan but I'm realist so for me it's not hyperbole with the stuff I'm saying about Simmons it's really how I feel. I've rooted for this team for 36 years and have not been this excited about the potential of an incoming rookie.

 
menobrown said:
His worse case comp is Odom IMO and he's not Magic now of course but I do think he has that kind of potential. That way it comes natural to Magic, that's exactly what I see with Simmons with everything except scoring/shooting. That's the part of his game he struggles with the most, just like Magic did when he first came in the league. If he never gets his shooting down maybe he's a bigger Jason Kidd, again that's the kind of feel for the game this kid looks like he has, to me anyway.

And whether you agree or not, the 76'ers current staff has said multiple times in past week the plan is start Simmons as more of a point forward with goal of working him into full time PG role so that's what they think he is.

I'm a lifelong 76'ers fan but I'm realist so for me it's not hyperbole with the stuff I'm saying about Simmons it's really how I feel. I've rooted for this team for 36 years and have not been this excited about the potential of an incoming rookie.
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*You are looking at what Odom was not what he could/should have been...if Simmons ends up like Odom did than it will be disappointing...just like it was for Odom...

*Comparing a non-PG to the best PG in NBA history is an incredible stretch...Magic was one-of-a-kind and I have never seen anyone close to him...while I think Simmons has some PG skills I just don't see that being a natural fit for him and I'm not a huge fan of having elite talent change positions...Point Forward I definitely see...if Simmons actually becomes a PG and can be 75% of what Magic is that would be a great success...

 
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Kev4029 said:
He's a better passer than Odom. Its kind of hard to find a decent comparison for him because hes such a good passer at 6'10". Maybe Larry Bird if Bird couldn't shoot even a little and wasn't a great defender? A taller Draymond Green that plays average defense? Lebron, if Lebron didn't jump so high and with Lebron's left handed shooting skills? Odom if he passed the ball more and the crack pipe less?
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No one loved his weed like Lamar...he set records in that area at URI...

 
:lmao:

love the Simmons is a Magic/Kidd hybrid and future hall of famer shtick after a couple meaningless summer league games where he made a few nice passes

 
the moops said:
:lmao:

love the Simmons is a Magic/Kidd hybrid and future hall of famer shtick after a couple meaningless summer league games where he made a few nice passes
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that was said?  i must have missed it.

i thought we were simply making comparisons off of what we have seen thus far. pretty common thing in sports.

obviously doing such exercises really ruffles some panties.

 
Boston said:
*You are looking at what Odom was not what he could/should have been...if Simmons ends up like Odom did than it will be disappointing...just like it was for Odom...

*Comparing a non-PG to the best PG in NBA history is an incredible stretch...Magic was one-of-a-kind and I have never seen anyone close to him...while I think Simmons has some PG skills I just don't see that being a natural fit for him and I'm not a huge fan of having elite talent change positions...Point Forward I definitely see...if Simmons actually becomes a PG and can be 75% of what Magic is that would be a great success...
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I don't want to get wrapped up in this Odom business, they share some similar skill sets and I know Odom could have been special if his mind was right but at no point did I think he was as naturally a good player as Simmons.

It's always a stretch for some people to compare any unproven player to one of the all-time greats but do note I cautioned if things go well and he works on his game. I also disagree that Magic was one of kind, I think Lebron can do everything Magic could do and more.

 
McAdoo and Clark back with GS. Think there's talk of them signing one more min. guy, possibly Willie Reed, to play C. 

The Durant signing makes it hard to appraise their off-season the way you would most other teams, but overall I think they've acquitted themselves well in a) working quickly and leveraging their status to get solid bench guys and b) not signing any obvious timebombs (e.g. Varejao), and c) continuing to devote a good portion of the end of their bench to young, prospect-y guys, e.g. Looney, McAdoo, Jones, and McCaw. One of those guys hitting and becoming a solid rotational guy would be a big advantage, esp. given how cost-controlled they are.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
McAdoo and Clark back with GS. Think there's talk of them signing one more min. guy, possibly Willie Reed, to play C. 

The Durant signing makes it hard to appraise their off-season the way you would most other teams, but overall I think they've acquitted themselves well in a) working quickly and leveraging their status to get solid bench guys and b) not signing any obvious timebombs (e.g. Varejao), and c) continuing to devote a good portion of the end of their bench to young, prospect-y guys, e.g. Looney, McAdoo, Jones, and McCaw. One of those guys hitting and becoming a solid rotational guy would be a big advantage, esp. given how cost-controlled they are.
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The biggest problem the Lebron led Heat and Cavs had is they invested nearly all their roster spots to vets, many of whom were washed up. Rather than bringing a guy like James Jones or Mo Williams around, the Cavs should be looking for guys like McAdoo that might be trash, but there is a possibility they would turn into useful rotation players. I understand that part of the reason they bring these crummy vets around is because they can trust them in certain game situations, but the goal should be to play the young scrub enough minutes until you are sure they are trash or until they are capable players that you can trust in those situations. That has been part of the reason the Spurs have stayed competitive for years and managed Ginobili and Duncan's minutes.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Going to six straight finals and winning half of them suggests it's not that big of a problem. I know I'm sure glad Richard Jefferson was a Cav last year.
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Obviously it hasn't been a debilitating problem for them, but it is definitely part of the reason that Miami is going to win 30 games this year. I'm not saying surround Lebron with Love, Irving and 10 rookies. But why carry guys like Jones and Williams who aren't any good and you won't play them anyway? Give somebody like PJ Hairston, Cleanthony Early, or Shane Larkin a spot instead of Jones. Play them 10 or 12 minutes a game, save Lebron's legs a little more, and if they don't work out by February, go sign Caron Butler or Kirk Hinrich or whatever.

For 2016-2017, that won't make a difference for the Cavs and Lebron is probably more comfortable with the cagey old vet, but they should be looking a being a better team in the future. Find a Gary Neal, Danny Green, Patty Mills, or Aron Baynes type that you can keep around for a few years on a bargain contract while you chase more of the veterans.

 
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Glad we got Ian Clark back. He's a solid player. 

McAdoo is eh, not sure what he really adds to the team. 

I'd rather have Mo Buckets. Mo had his faults, but he's won a few games with his spurts off the bench.

 
Kev4029 said:
Obviously it hasn't been a debilitating problem for them, but it is definitely part of the reason that Miami is going to win 30 games this year. I'm not saying surround Lebron with Love, Irving and 10 rookies. But why carry guys like Jones and Williams who aren't any good and you won't play them anyway? Give somebody like PJ Hairston, Cleanthony Early, or Shane Larkin a spot instead of Jones. Play them 10 or 12 minutes a game, save Lebron's legs a little more, and if they don't work out by February, go sign Caron Butler or Kirk Hinrich or whatever.

For 2016-2017, that won't make a difference for the Cavs and Lebron is probably more comfortable with the cagey old vet, but they should be looking a being a better team in the future. Find a Gary Neal, Danny Green, Patty Mills, or Aron Baynes type that you can keep around for a few years on a bargain contract while you chase more of the veterans.
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How did Miami '16-'17 get involved here?  Fairly obvious why they won't win alot this year.

That said, I agree with you, I'd like the Cavs to get a few young bucks to run the floor and develop over the course of the season.  I know they do like McRae and maybe Felder can be a spark plug.  Still would like someone else.  And it's not Birdman, which is what I'm hearing right now.

 
Charlie Harper said:
Glad we got Ian Clark back. He's a solid player. 

McAdoo is eh, not sure what he really adds to the team. 

I'd rather have Mo Buckets. Mo had his faults, but he's won a few games with his spurts off the bench.
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He was actually worth -1 WAR, so in fact he didn't win any games for GS last year. On the contrary.

He can't rebound or defend the rim. Admittedly shooting 3's was an improvement over long 2's this year, but much better he's on the Clips where he'll do more harm than good.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Kris Dunn as advertised. Can't believe he fell to 5. Rich got richer.
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Rich got richer...

As a long time timberwolves fan, have never ever ever ever heard those words uttered as it pertains to this team. I am unintentionally waiting on the impending calamity that all minnesota sports fans know amd love to befall this team.  <knock on wood>

I did watch a highlight of him straight up breaking someones ankles tonight.  Nice handle.  Wanted jamal murray but wasn't sad to get Dunn. 

 
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There will be no negative talk of our wolves. None. Next years league pass rankings for me:

1. Rockets

2. Wolves

3. Warriors

4. Kmicks

5. Wolves repeats. 

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Gay asking for a trade out of Sactown. 
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He was a victim of Karl's incompetence last year but by and large he's been good for the Kings. reasonable contract (1 year plus a player option at about $14m per) relative to what a lot of inferior free agents have been getting. He'll probably be a solid pickup for somebody. 

 
Yeah they wont have a problem dealing at all if they're really willing to deal him. Especially with essentially a 1 year deal as he'll opt out barring a long term injury.

Read Sac-Indy had some discussions revolving around him and Monta Ellis. Would put a cap on a huge offseason if Indy somehow pulls that off.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Kris Dunn as advertised. Can't believe he fell to 5. Rich got richer.
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I watched the first half last night and he came out like gangbusters in the first 5 minutes. He was all over the court. The Nuggets also looked really really bad in the first quarter. Dunn really needs to work on that jumper though, it just looks wrong.

 
When Rondo first signed in Chicago, I thought I heard it was a one year $10 million contract. Turns out it is a two year $28 million contract with a $3 million guarantee in the second year. That team is going to be a train wreck.

 
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