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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (1 Viewer)

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msudaisy26 said:
How did Ibaka work for Toronto? What does that have to do with anything?

How does it shorten their window? You act like this pick is guaranteed to be a lock hall of famer and it isn't even a lock not to be a bust. The only thing a George or Butler trade would have done was guaranteed a window as a legit contender. No one knows for how long. 
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I never said anything about the pick being a guaranteed HoF, I simply like the odds of drafting 3 high lottery picks in a row to get the Celts to be a contending team that wins titles better than shuffling two of those picks for a player that makes them the 3rd best team in the league.

Frankly, I would trade Thomas rather than sign him to a max deal but I don't see that happening. Pierce and Walker got to the Eastern Conference finals, not really what we strive for in Boston.

 
In terms of last night's game, felt like Stevens should have got a TO once they overturned the call on Smart.  Drawing up an offensive set that would have led to points probably ends the game. Horrible turnover by Thomas but seemed like something that could have been avoided.

 
msudaisy26 said:
How did Ibaka work for Toronto? What does that have to do with anything?

How does it shorten their window? You act like this pick is guaranteed to be a lock hall of famer and it isn't even a lock not to be a bust. The only thing a George or Butler trade would have done was guaranteed a window as a legit contender. No one knows for how long. 
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Been pretty widely reported that George was just not available. And that Butler was going to cost way too much.

This wasn't supposed to be the year for the Celtics anyway. I think most thought they would be similar to last year, maybe a little better with Horford. But this offseason is really when Ainge has the first huge chance to change the roster. Whether he keeps the pick and makes a play for a stretch 4, or he trades the pick for someone like Butler and convinces Hayward to sign, or whether he trades Bradley and/or Smart, etc., etc., etc. 

The options are plentiful. If Ainge generally sits this offseason out, and just drafts Tatum with the 4th pick, then yea, I think you will find most people upset that they didn't make a move at the deadline. 

 
I think you could give the Celtics George AND Butler right now, and not change anything else about their team, and they still wouldn't win a title this year or next. Crazy that people think they should have given up those picks for one of those guys. They should be looking for ways to push their window back. 

 
Moe. said:
I think you could give the Celtics George AND Butler right now, and not change anything else about their team, and they still wouldn't win a title this year or next. Crazy that people think they should have given up those picks for one of those guys. They should be looking for ways to push their window back. 
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until bron retires...is the $$$ move

 
Moe. said:
I think you could give the Celtics George AND Butler right now, and not change anything else about their team, and they still wouldn't win a title this year or next.
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This is incorrect. If nothing else changed about their team, besides losing the last two guys off their bench, their depth would be ridiculous. IT, Bradley, Butler, George, Horford is a pretty damn slick starting lineup, which matches up about as well as possible with GS.  Don't think GS would have 4 of the top 5 players if they faced that team, and BOS bench would be so much better than GS

 
Depth does nothing when the other team has all the good players. Warriors are the borg, assimilate of die 

 
Seriously.

Curry > Midget 

Klay > whatever his name is

Durant > any other 3 in the world

Draymond > any other 4 in the world 

5 is irrelevant 

 
Moe. said:
Depth does nothing when the other team has all the good players. Warriors are the borg, assimilate of die 
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I was going to ask, just how important is having a good 12 players or whatever in the last 7 games of the season?

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
You guys can show me all th stats in the world to fit your argument and Lebron can win 5 more rings and he will always be behind Jordan and Bird.

Lebron did impress me last year when he took over and carried his team from defeat to victory but it took him 10 years to realize that ability.

Jordan and Larry would have mentally decimated a young Lebron James to the point I'm not even sure he could recover. Hell, I don't even think Lebron would be strong willed enough to recover from a hard foul from a bum like Bill Laimbeer, much less the mental games Jordan and Bird would have employed.

Go ahead and lol at me and point to your stats. It's just my honest opinion. 
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Capella said:
Bird. :rolleyes:  Come on already. 
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rg1sFMxnbM

Ill go with the opinions of the dudes who played against him. :shrug:  

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Because Orlando Woolridge played against LeBron in his prime for a fair and even comparison?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pd4z6a04dBU

Way to cherry pick one name after you watched all of the first 30 seconds.

Lebron is the most dominate basketball player in the league but he's as soft as charmin. The "hairline" would have cried like a baby in the 80s and 90s. 

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Lebron is the most dominate basketball player in the league but he's as soft as charmin. The "hairline" would have cried like a baby in the 80s and 90s. 
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:lmao:

You do realize that if a physical freak like James had played in that era where more contact was allowed, what he could have done on defense is scary to think about, right?  No one would have been able to score on him once he got on top of them and bodied them up. 

 
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Ghost Rider said:
:lmao:

You do realize that if a physical freak like James had played in that era where more contact was allowed, what he could have done on defense is scary to think about, right?  No one would have been able to score on him once he got on top of them and bodied them up. 
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Don't stop him he is on a roll. Hate hate hate hate hate. LeBron would destroy any era of basketball.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pd4z6a04dBU

Way to cherry pick one name after you watched all of the first 30 seconds.

Lebron is the most dominate basketball player in the league but he's as soft as charmin. The "hairline" would have cried like a baby in the 80s and 90s. 
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The Lebron you know is formed by the rules with which he must play by.  He's got something like 7 all defensive teams and you want to transport him to a time where he can further abuse his size/speed/strength combo?  I'm curious how you say he's soft.  Please expound.  I'm not even a Lebron fan, but cmon.  If he would play against Bird in 1980s, he'd be sending Larry Bird to 3-13 land.

 
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Ghost Rider said:
:lmao:

You do realize that if a physical freak like James had played in that era where more contact was allowed, what he could have done on defense is scary to think about, right?  No one would have been able to score on him once he got on top of them and bodied them up. 
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He would be so dominant at hiding in the corner like he did his first eight years in the league.

 
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League come sout ans days there was a clock error in the final few seconds of the BOS/WAS game. Probably wouldn't have mattered, but it would have given BOS time to take a dribble and shoot rather than just fire up a shot.

But anyway - why the #### is that type of clock play non-reviewable? That seems dumb. For all the little things they are able to review, you would think getting the last few seconds of the game correct would be rather important.

 
Obviously it's more exciting for this thread to talk about a player with four finals losses than this Spurs-Warriors series that starts shortly :lmao:  

 
Short Corner said:
Against todays quicker, longer players?  Less than 20.  Meanwhile he would get torched on the other end defending the pace and space style prevalent in today's game.
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I don't want to be perceived as being on SM's side in this, and I wish he would stop trolling the thread.

But this idea that Bird would be just a guy in today's NBA is silly. He would be an incredibly rich man's Kevin Love. This is Love's age 28 season. Let's compare it to Bird's age 28 season:

Love: 19.0 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 1.9 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.4 bpg, .427 FGP, .373 3FGP, .871 FTP; All Star
Bird: 28.7 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 6.6 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.2 bpg, .522 FPG, .427 3FGP, .882 FTP; MVP, 1st team All NBA, All Star

And Bird was much better defensively.

Would Bird put up the same numbers in today's NBA? Perhaps not, but he was a top 10 player of all time in his era. He would be great in any era. It's not like he wouldn't have adjusted his game, training, nutrition, etc.

Who are you, Isiah Lord Thomas?

 
I really don't think Bird's offense would suffer in today's NBA, if anything he would be a better offensive player because he would have grown up shooting 3s. Defensively, I think he would probably get shredded, but he would be spectacular on offense as a full time power forward in today's NBA. 

 
It is funny that there can't be a middle ground. 

LeBron would be a top 3 player in any era, I don't think he would "destroy" any era, because I don't think he destroyed this era. I guess it depends on your definition. 

The same goes for the other side. Anyone that thinks Bird, Magic and some of the other all time greats wouldn't be great in this era are nuts too. 

Those guys would have grown up in a different era, they would have been trained different and would have been faster and stronger. 

 
msudaisy26 said:
It is funny that there can't be a middle ground. 

LeBron would be a top 3 player in any era, I don't think he would "destroy" any era, because I don't think he destroyed this era. I guess it depends on your definition. 

The same goes for the other side. Anyone that thinks Bird, Magic and some of the other all time greats wouldn't be great in this era are nuts too. 

Those guys would have grown up in a different era, they would have been trained different and would have been faster and stronger. 
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Uhh what would your definition of destroy be? Since it's not 6 probably 7 straight finals, 3 championships, and numerous mvps.

 
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