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***2016 MLB Playoff thread: Cubs win for first time since sliced bread hit market (1 Viewer)

Game length aside (Pedro Baez should be banned from baseball) that was a such a great series that the result doesn't hurt quite as much as the other miserable playoff disappointments. Fact that the Nats were underdogs and likely would have won the series with a healthy Strasburg changes things too.

He'll get a pass because he's good and lovable and funny, but Rendon was the goat of the series. He was terrible all series except for the one dinger. Came up in multiple spots where a base hit likely swings the series for the Nats and couldn't get it done.

 
Can't wait until Rendon's spot comes up with a chance to win in the 9th and beyond. 
When Harper stole second it took the bat right out of Murph's hands and put it in Rendons.

Looking back at the game Turner turning a 0-2 count into a 13 pitch walk was a huge AB without scoring...instead of being out of the inning with 3 pitches to Turner it was combined 17 to Turner and Gonzo. 

Ex-Tiger pitchers did not fare well in the playoffs as far as team wins.  Max, Price and Porcello starts the teams were 0-4

 
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Sat with the Rangers' wives for a game at Fenway in 1999. About 15-20 rows behind home plate. When the conversation with a friend, about how the tickets were obtained,  started I said something to the effect of 'Every player gets 2 tickets per game, its in their contract. it's the Rangers, on the road, 1,000 miles from home. Do you really think Pudge has his family here taking up seats?'

Of course there was 10 members of the Rodriguez family 2 rows behind me

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:lmao: :lmao:   :cry: :lmao: :lmao:  

 
:lmao:  @ 99 pitches 
The HR was just a great AB....Max was pitching very well I was surprised he did not even question Baker to stay in, it was like he had enough. I remember the Boston series a couple of years ago he told Leyland he was gassed at close to 100 when he was pitching great with a lead. Max came out and the rest is history with the bullpen getting shelled.

Even in Detroit when his PC was nearing 100 Max never was upset at getting pulled.  Verlander would have to be dragged off the mound in that situation

 
Moving on to the ALCS, how Waiting for Next Year discusses how the Indians match up against Marco Estrada.

The Indians success against Estrada will be predicated on their ability to force him into the strike zone. He does have a relatively high walk rate and hitters like Santana, Napoli, Lindor, Kipnis, and Ramirez have the discipline to either take walks or force him to throw his fastball in the zone. Strategically, Estrada poses an interesting test: Can the Indians lay off the fastball starting on the outside edge and running off the plate?  Similarly, can they spit on the changeup and wait for a pitch to drive?

Cleveland’s patience will decide the outcome of this game.

 
Good breakdown from the Ringer on the Clevelands using and the Blue Jays ignoring the platoon advantage. The short version is Cleveland uses it very well, especially in the corner outfield positions to overcome the loss of Brantley. They have a favourable platoon situation more often than any other team. Toronto does not, it's a very right handed heavy lineup and Jays' position players have the typical platoon discount but because we're talking about Donaldson, Bautista, Edwin, Tulo, Martin etc... those discounted splits are still better than most hitters with the platoon advantage.

Where it could have an impact is in the bullpen usage but again there is a bit of a contradiction with Cleveland's major bullpen weapon being Miller who actually gives the Jays that platoon advantage (but more complicated than that obviously because Miller is very good against right handed hitters but again, counter to that Jays hitters have had decent results against him).

 
Another interesting point about the ALCS is the high Stolen Base % of the BlueJays pitching staff.  They hold some of the highest %s in MLB, and the Indians are not afraid to be aggressive on the basepaths.  The patience of the Indians batters leading to them getting on base will be a huge strength for the Tribe.  

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-shared-exploitable-weakness-of-torontos-pitching-staff/

The simple numbers: runners went 84-for-104 in stolen-base attempts against the Blue Jays this year. That 81% success rate was third-worst in baseball, ahead of only the Braves and White Sox. Baseball Info Solutions calculates runs saved or lost due to stolen bases, and the Blue Jays ranked second to last, ahead of only the Braves. Also, keep in mind: these numbers include a full season of R.A. Dickey, who is one of the best pitchers in baseball at controlling the run game. Dickey is not a member of Toronto’s postseason roster, so the current iteration of the Blue Jays is likely even worse at this skill than the full-season numbers suggest.


 
Stolen Base Prevention, Select Blue Jays Pitchers, 2016

Player


IP


SB


CS


SBA


PO


SB%


Marco Estrada


176.0


12


1


13


0


92%


J.A. Happ


195.0


7


1


8


0


88%


Roberto Osuna


74.0


6


1


7


0


86%


Aaron Sanchez


192.0


12


2


14


0


86%


TOTAL


637.0


37


5


42


0


88%

SOURCE: Baseball-Reference


Opposing runners were 37-for-42 in steal attempts against three of Toronto’s top four starters and their top relief pitcher. According to this handy guide by our own Jeff Sullivan, these four guys could combine to pitch up to two-thirds of Toronto’s innings in the ALCS, and none has shown any evidence that they can slow down the running game. None of the four starters in Toronto’s playoff rotation have picked off a batter all year.

Estrada is, by far, Toronto’s biggest offender in this regard. According to SRAA, BaseballProspectus’ stat that assigns credit to the individual for his role in the success of a steal attempt, rates Estrada 309th out of 328 pitchers with at least 50 innings thrown this year. Estrada’s problem is, more or less, the same as the rest of these Blue Jays pitchers, just exaggerated: not much of a pickoff move, slow to the plate.

 
Another interesting point about the ALCS is the high Stolen Base % of the BlueJays pitching staff.  They hold some of the highest %s in MLB, and the Indians are not afraid to be aggressive on the basepaths.  The patience of the Indians batters leading to them getting on base will be a huge strength for the Tribe.  

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-shared-exploitable-weakness-of-torontos-pitching-staff/
Martin's been not good at throwing out runners this year too, which is odd since he was great at it in 2015.

Edit runners were 40/72 against him in 2015 but then 61/72 in 2016.

 
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Martin's been not good at throwing out runners this year too, which is odd since he was great at it in 2015.
He definitely has a good arm, but I think some of that has to do with the Jays pitching staff.  They are slow to get the ball to Martin.  I don't care how great his arm is, if the runners have time to get a good jump on the pitcher and he has a slow delivery, the catcher will have little to no chance to throw a runner out.  Pitchers need to get rid of the ball quickly with runners on base in order to minimize those steals and show off the catcher's cannon of an arm.

 
Max leaves it all out there.  When the tank hits E, the ride is over.  I don't see it as a flaw but that can't be your horse either.

( eta Not saying he was necessarily done at 99.  Dusty.. who-tf knows..)

 Maybe we win with Stras/Ramos.  Maybe they win with Ryu, healthy Ethier.  The Nats can't beat anybody in October.  I still question overall desire, team chemistry, winning attitude, relative to teams who find postseason success.  Tone setters Werth and Zim need to go.  Dusty also who we thought he was.. big shocker there.  

 
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Guys only being able to throw 100 pitches will always crack me up.  Someone needs to bring back Leo M to turn this bad trend around.

 
such a terrible send. play was right in front of him too
It was a bad send, but people need to stop pretending it changed the game. There were two outs and the next batter was Danny Espinosa, he of the .172/.272/.280 line over the second half of the season. The odds of him getting a hit off Kenley Jansen were probably not much higher than the odds of Corey Seager airmailing that easy throw into the stands.

 
Smoak and Feldman removed from Jays ALCS roster, Pompey and Goins in their place. Devon Travis and Francisco Liriano both remain on, so recovery hopefully going well.

 
I've got a terrible feeling about this series for the Indians.Then again, I had a terrible feeling heading into Red Sox series. We'll see. These Indians don't seem to give a #### how things look on paper. About to start tailgating here in a bit.

And I hope TBS didn't pay too much for the ALCS this season. Ratings on this thing could get ugly, especially compared to the NLCS. 

 
Love the bunt away from the shift. Need to see that more. But then again, it's not a HR.

 
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Great play by Kipnis! Jays are hitting Kluber but nothing gained.  Good pitching and defense so far. 

 
Its highly entertaining watching Miller pitch.  Lanky guy with a 98 mph fastball that can be wild for a pitch or two every at bat.  Totally forgot the guy exists but he seems so large in the playoffs.

 
Its highly entertaining watching Miller pitch.  Lanky guy with a 98 mph fastball that can be wild for a pitch or two every at bat.  Totally forgot the guy exists but he seems so large in the playoffs.
His numbers are just ridiculous.

A few Jays looked flustered tonight. I expect them to bounce back strong game 2. Tribe needs to hit. Actually love that Tomlin is pitching game 2 and not in Tor, but wish it was going to be colder tomorrow which benefits him. Game looks to be played in the 70's.

 
His numbers are just ridiculous.

A few Jays looked flustered tonight. I expect them to bounce back strong game 2. Tribe needs to hit. Actually love that Tomlin is pitching game 2 and not in Tor, but wish it was going to be colder tomorrow which benefits him. Game looks to be played in the 70's.
The Indians are making other teams play a 4-5 inning game with them.  If you don't beat them in the first 4-5 innings, you lose.  That actually is the best way to build a team and has a very high chance of success.  I think the Indians will win the world series.  For the Blue Jays to win this series, they need to take an early lead and hold on in 4 of the next 6 games and there is no way they will do that.

 
The Indians are making other teams play a 4-5 inning game with them.  If you don't beat them in the first 4-5 innings, you lose.  That actually is the best way to build a team and has a very high chance of success.  I think the Indians will win the world series.  For the Blue Jays to win this series, they need to take an early lead and hold on in 4 of the next 6 games and there is no way they will do that.
I dont agree, but Terry is managing every game like game seven these days.

 
I dont agree, but Terry is managing every game like game seven these days.
The best teams shorten the game.  The Blue Jays are under tremendous pressure to take an early lead or they die.  I expect that pressure to take a toll on their hitters and they'll get increasingly frustrated and get taken out of their element.

 
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Have to go to a stupid wedding tonight. I'm going to try a media blackout and watch the game on mlb.tv tomorrow morning.* I think every sitcom I've ever watched has had a similar storyline and it never works out. We'll see.

*if you are a pretty big baseball fan and you don't subscribe, you're living life wrong. I'm out of market for the Cubs, so I've seen more of them this year than I have since I was a kid and I could watch Harry Caray call the games before little league practice. It's also awesome getting to see other fun teams like the Blue Jays and Rockies play all the time. Plus you can watch replays of any blacked out game, including the playoffs, 90 mins after the game ends. Best $100 I've spent in years.

 
Have to go to a stupid wedding tonight. I'm going to try a media blackout and watch the game on mlb.tv tomorrow morning.* I think every sitcom I've ever watched has had a similar storyline and it never works out. We'll see.

*if you are a pretty big baseball fan and you don't subscribe, you're living life wrong. I'm out of market for the Cubs, so I've seen more of them this year than I have since I was a kid and I could watch Harry Caray call the games before little league practice. It's also awesome getting to see other fun teams like the Blue Jays and Rockies play all the time. Plus you can watch replays of any blacked out game, including the playoffs, 90 mins after the game ends. Best $100 I've spent in years.
Sorry man, but the Cubs lose.  

 
Seeing the way Tito is using Miller in early, high-leverage situations and then coupling that with Roberts' ballsy use of Jansen and Kershaw gives me hope that the days of the formulaic cookie-cutter bullpen approach might be going by the wayside.

Of course it probably never will because too many managers just fall back on doing it by the book "just because". A lot easier not to get criticized that way. 

 
Seeing the way Tito is using Miller in early, high-leverage situations and then coupling that with Roberts' ballsy use of Jansen and Kershaw gives me hope that the days of the formulaic cookie-cutter bullpen approach might be going by the wayside.

Of course it probably never will because too many managers just fall back on doing it by the book "just because". A lot easier not to get criticized that way. 
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And look at the deserved criticism of Showalter in the WC game. The tide is turning.

 
We saw a massive retail surge this week with the Cubs, coming off a much softer than planned Sept and Division Championship.  Getting past the Giants has given Cub Fan a huge confidence boost.

 
Seeing the way Tito is using Miller in early, high-leverage situations and then coupling that with Roberts' ballsy use of Jansen and Kershaw gives me hope that the days of the formulaic cookie-cutter bullpen approach might be going by the wayside.

Of course it probably never will because too many managers just fall back on doing it by the book "just because". A lot easier not to get criticized that way. 
This always reminds me of Chuck Tanner's plan to build a staff with 12 middle relievers and have them rotate 3 or 4 guys 3 IP each (1 day on, 3 days off) throughout the season.  If they went long or short they'd call up an arm from the minors to fill the gap.  I wish he'd gotten a longer leash because in his era there were a ton of guys that were great starters for the first 3 or 4 innings and then just fell apart (**** Ruthven is a good example) that could have made this system work.  In an era where guys were pitching 200 IP a year regularly (guys like Jenkins 300+ IP) their arms could have handled 150 IP with no sweat.

ETA: If you're interested, here's an article about it: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-07-11/sports/9307110256_1_work-on-three-days-starter-rob-dibble

 
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