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***2016 MLB Playoff thread: Cubs win for first time since sliced bread hit market (1 Viewer)

IMO if I'm the Indians, I have Jose Mesa and Charlie Sheen throw out the first pitch tonight.  Super duper reverse jinx activated, no chance they lose. 

 
Chris Berman is absolutely incoherent on ESPN. He spent two rambling minutes talking about Cubs fans doing shots of alcohol with their dead aunts and uncles. 

 
What an amazing series and game. I was nervous as hell and I had no rooting interest. Can't imagine what Cubs or Indians fans were going through last night. Congrats Cubs!

 
What a game... What a series... I managed to drag myself into work today after chugging from a bottle of bourbon after Davis hit that homerun... Screaming out my front door "IT AIN'T OVER MOTHER####ERS!!!".... I'm pretty sure had I gotten pulled over this morning I wouldn't have passed a breathalyzer... Wish the Indians had won... But what a game!  Props to the Cubs, they were just better.  Glad they got to win after 1000 years or whatever and it wasn't the stupid Dodgers celebrating in Cleveland last night..

 
While every fanbase has its bottom feeders (can someone say Ligue), the idea that the same people that threatened the life of Steve Bartman, and threw his life into upheaval, are reveling in this celebration actually made my stomach turn last night.

 
Limp Ditka said:
While every fanbase has its bottom feeders (can someone say Ligue), the idea that the same people that threatened the life of Steve Bartman, and threw his life into upheaval, are reveling in this celebration actually made my stomach turn last night.
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Hadn't thought about it that way

 
top dog said:
What a game... What a series... I managed to drag myself into work today after chugging from a bottle of bourbon after Davis hit that homerun... Screaming out my front door "IT AIN'T OVER MOTHER####ERS!!!".... I'm pretty sure had I gotten pulled over this morning I wouldn't have passed a breathalyzer... Wish the Indians had won... But what a game!  Props to the Cubs, they were just better.  Glad they got to win after 1000 years or whatever and it wasn't the stupid Dodgers celebrating in Cleveland last night..
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It was a little hard to come to work this morning. I was disheartened after the first hitter homer, and kinda kept sliding down hill. Once Rajai homered in the 8th, I thought we had a chance. As soon as Martinez grounded out I turned the TV off as I don't want to see anyone celebrating in my team's yard. Tom Hamilton had a great call on WTAM as he seemed happy for the Cubs, even if it was at the expense of the Tribe.

To take baseball's best team to extra innings in game 7 without Michael Brantley, Cookie and Danny Salazar is quite the impressive feat and why Tito deserves all the props for getting them this far. I'm disappointed, not sad. Given how we did without those three, I'm optimistic that we'll be back real soon.

 
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Congrats Cubs fans!  Great series.  Can't believe Game 7 worked its way into extra innings, rain delays, and strong offensive performances to deliver a white knuckle ride of a game.  I thought a few times the Indians were out of it, only to be sucked back in to having hope until the last minute.  There were great moments throughout Game 7 for both teams.  I tip my cap to the Cubs and Indians for giving us a truly great send-off for the 2016 season.   :thumbup:

 
Tom Servo said:
It was a little hard to come to work this morning. I was disheartened after the first hitter homer, and kinda kept sliding down hill. Once Rajai homered in the 8th, I thought we had a chance. As soon as Martinez grounded out I turned the TV off as I don't want to see anyone celebrating in my team's yard. Tom Hamilton had a great call on WTAM as he seemed happy for the Cubs, even if it was at the expense of the Tribe.

To take baseball's best team to extra innings in game 7 without Michael Brantley, Cookie and Danny Salazar is quite the impressive feat and why Tito deserves all the props for getting them this far. I'm disappointed, not sad. Given how we did without those three, I'm optimistic that we'll be back real soon.
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All of this, plus you got Lebron

 
Limp Ditka said:
While every fanbase has its bottom feeders (can someone say Ligue), the idea that the same people that threatened the life of Steve Bartman, and threw his life into upheaval, are reveling in this celebration actually made my stomach turn last night.
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Yes, but I like the thought of all the 85 year olds finally getting one. Awesome. 

 
I know part of the conciliatory pat on the back narrative for the Indians is to compliment Francona, and he certainly did an impressive job overall considering the Indians' injuries.  But did anyone else thing the move to pull Crisp for Martinez was a little weird?  The chances of a fly ball to right field in the 9th with one out that is juuuust deep enough that the Heyward could tag from third and score on Crisp, but not deep enough to score on Martinez, have to be astronomical.  And Martinez is one of the worst-hitting position players in the game. 

You're trying to protect a tie game and thus take the game to extra innings if you don't score in the bottom of the 9th, making it fairly likely his spot would come up again, and you'd have an automatic out in extras instead of Crisp, who is no Babe Ruth but at least he's Coco Crisp.  As it turns out he came up in the biggest spot imaginable, but even if he'd come up at some random point in extra innings it seems like the extra offense is better to have than the infinitesimal chance that his arm makes the difference on a throw to home. In addition you're also sacrificing your final bench option in a game that could at that point have gone on several more innings- as it turns out it didn't but that's a factor in the decision too.

 
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I don't think I've ever jumped off the couch watching a game I didn't have a rooting interest in, and it happened like three times last night.  Great stuff.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I know part of the conciliatory pat on the back narrative for the Indians is to compliment Francona, and he certainly did an impressive job overall considering the Indians' injuries.  But did anyone else thing the move to pull Crisp for Martinez was a little weird?  The chances of a fly ball to right field in the 9th with one out that is juuuust deep enough that the Heyward could tag from third and score on Crisp, but not deep enough to score on Martinez, have to be astronomical.  And Martinez is one of the worst-hitting position players in the game. 

You're trying to protect a tie game and thus take the game to extra innings if you don't score in the bottom of the 9th, making it fairly likely his spot would come up again, and you'd have an automatic out in extras instead of Crisp, who is no Babe Ruth but at least he's Coco Crisp.  As it turns out he came up in the biggest spot imaginable, but even if he'd come up at some random point in extra innings it seems like the extra offense is better to have than the infinitesimal chance that his arm makes the difference on a throw to home. In addition you're also sacrificing your final bench option in a game that could at that point have gone on several more innings- as it turns out it didn't but that's a factor in the decision too.
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No because Crisp has the arm of a toddler. Absolutely the right call defensively.

 
Thorn said:
I don't think I've ever jumped off the couch watching a game I didn't have a rooting interest in, and it happened like three times last night.  Great stuff.
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Ditto.  I'm trying to play around with where this series ranks for me in terms of non-Yankee ones.

Royals Mets was fun because I got to make fun of my friends who are Mets fans but it wasn't an edge of your seat type of series.  Giants Royals was a great series but I don't remember it being as emotional as this one was for me.  I can't count any Red Sox series because my rooting interest there is biased.  I never liked the Rangers or rooted for them in anyway so their series' weren't that huge a deal for me that I can recall.  I think you then have to go all the way back to Bonds against the Angels, and while that was a fun ride I didn't enjoy watching both teams as completely as I did this one.  Yeah, I think I have to go all the way to Braves Twins given the awesomeness of that series.

And while I fully understand that current history always clouds prior history, I'm thinking this was the most fun in a non-Yankee series I've ever had.  It's at least top 5 and that says enough in itself.  If I was a fan of either of these teams I'd be very proud to be one right now.  I'm sure Indians fans hurt, but they've got something there that shouldn't go away and they were "this close" in the face of some bad injuries.

I really hope MLB can build on this and get back some of the mojo that it should have.  It's a shame that this great game of baseball seems to be losing out to other sports.  It's just the purest game on earth for me and always will be.

 
Tom Servo said:
No because Crisp has the arm of a toddler. Absolutely the right call defensively.
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Well yeah, obviously it was the right call defensively. if you limit your perspective to that. The question is whether the defensive benefit is worth the offensive dropoff considering the likelihood that his spot would come up if the Indians prevented Heyward from scoring there, plus the loss of your last bench player if the game drags in for many innings after that.

To clarify- I'[m not saying it was the wrong call.  It struck me as kinda odd while I was watching, but Francona knows his player's tools better than I do.  I was just wondering if anyone else had the same thought.

Also its interesting that nobody's talking about it this morning as far as I've seen.  Even if it was the right call, a decision that leads to an atrocious hitter at the plate with the World Series on the line seems like something people would talk about.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Well yeah, obviously it was the right call defensively. if you limit your perspective to that. The question is whether the defensive benefit is worth the offensive dropoff considering the likelihood that his spot would come up if the Indians prevented Heyward from scoring there, plus the loss of your last bench player if the game drags in for many innings after that.
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If the 10th turns out to be a 5 run inning, it doesn't really matter.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Well yeah, obviously it was the right call defensively. if you limit your perspective to that. The question is whether the defensive benefit is worth the offensive dropoff considering the likelihood that his spot would come up if the Indians prevented Heyward from scoring there, plus the loss of your last bench player if the game drags in for many innings after that.

To clarify- I'[m not saying it was the wrong call.  It struck me as kinda odd while I was watching, but Francona knows his player's tools better than I do.  I was just wondering if anyone else had the same thought.

Also its interesting that nobody's talking about it this morning as far as I've seen.  Even if it was the right call, a decision that leads to an atrocious hitter at the plate with the World Series on the line seems like something people would talk about.
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The probability a ball would be hit in a precise spot where the arm strength difference would come into play is so small it wasn't the right move.  There is no way that trade off in offensive production is worth it even if he has one of the worst arms in the league.

 
Debating on going to the parade tomorrow.  I'm guessing Metra will be standing room only but still better than driving/parking.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Well yeah, obviously it was the right call defensively. if you limit your perspective to that. The question is whether the defensive benefit is worth the offensive dropoff considering the likelihood that his spot would come up if the Indians prevented Heyward from scoring there, plus the loss of your last bench player if the game drags in for many innings after that.

To clarify- I'[m not saying it was the wrong call.  It struck me as kinda odd while I was watching, but Francona knows his player's tools better than I do.  I was just wondering if anyone else had the same thought.

Also its interesting that nobody's talking about it this morning as far as I've seen.  Even if it was the right call, a decision that leads to an atrocious hitter at the plate with the World Series on the line seems like something people would talk about.
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I almost posted at the time that it was ridiculous, but that is more because I am a Phillies' fan and find Martinez annoying and terrible.

 
tjnc09 said:
The probability a ball would be hit in a precise spot where the arm strength difference would come into play is so small it wasn't the right move.  There is no way that trade off in offensive production is worth it even if he has one of the worst arms in the league.
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You've never seen Crisp throw lately, have you?

 
Tom Servo said:
You've never seen Crisp throw lately, have you?
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Yeah, but you're still talking about a single batter hitting the ball, in the air, to a fairly small sliver of the field.

Nobody disputes that it was a decent-sized upgrade, the question is by how much considering the various things that would have to occur for that upgrade to matter. Then weighing that against the potential for it to hurt them down the road.

I don't know the answer obviously, nobody really does most likely. Just thought it was an interesting question, and I was surprised it didn't get much attention considering it ended up impacting the game in such a huge way.  A double in that AB, or a single after a Davis steal, ties the game and gives the next batter a chance to win it.  A homer wins the World Series.

 
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