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2017 Streaming Defenses (2 Viewers)

Anyone looking forward at week 15 matchups if they get there?  Asking for a friend.

Det vs Chi

NO vs Jets

Buff vs Mia 

Min vs Cin

Den @ Ind 

All seemingly good options out on the wire now.

 
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packersfan said:
Week 14 at home vs. SF is appealing but after coming up poorly last night against a bad offense (on the road but still Baltimore's offense is not good) I'd be less excited about them moving forward. Lions are at Tampa Bay Week 14 and assuming Winston's back I'd probably give the Texans a slight edge as we sit here today.  
Worth pointing out that they're getting Cushing back from suspension. Not as big of a boost as if they were getting Watt or Mercilus, but it's something.

 
So let's talk about the effects of the Giants QB change. I guess it makes Oakland a little more attractive this weekend, but I still wouldn't get all that excited about them. That's even more true for Cowboys next week (unless they will have Sean Lee back, in which case, maybe).

Week 15 is Eagles, who were already a must-start. And Week 16 they're @ Arizona. That's the one that suddenly looks a lot more attractive, especially since we'll likely see Webb starting by that point.

 
Thoughts on TEN? They have HOU, @ARI, @SF the next 3 which looks strong compared to my other options. Have KC right now but after this week not crazy about their schedule. Others that are out there are DET, MIN, CHI, NO.

 
So let's talk about the effects of the Giants QB change. I guess it makes Oakland a little more attractive this weekend, but I still wouldn't get all that excited about them. That's even more true for Cowboys next week (unless they will have Sean Lee back, in which case, maybe).

Week 15 is Eagles, who were already a must-start. And Week 16 they're @ Arizona. That's the one that suddenly looks a lot more attractive, especially since we'll likely see Webb starting by that point.
I was basically about to post the same. The opposing kickers get a bump too. More drive opps and field position.

 
Debating Denver, Chicago, and TEN. 

Denver has not been the dominant force they have been in the past, but with tilts against Miami, the Jets, and Indy make them too appealing of a grab and start.

Chicago I like for this week vs SF slightly better than DEN vs MIA, and love their WK 16 match up. 

 
Thoughts on TEN? They have HOU, @ARI, @SF the next 3 which looks strong compared to my other options. Have KC right now but after this week not crazy about their schedule. Others that are out there are DET, MIN, CHI, NO.
I like them. I actually picked them up last week vs Indy and was rewarded. I am going to keep riding them. They really want to try and establish their run game to protect their defense and shorten the game and against their upcoming opponents they should be able to do that. They also are playing mistake prone offenses.

 
VikingFrog said:
Anyone looking forward at week 15 matchups if they get there?  Asking for a friend.

Det vs Chi

NO vs Jets

Buff vs Mia 

Min vs Cin

Den @ Ind 

All seemingly good options out on the wire now.
I'm holding DEN for the above matchup. Actually dropping DET in the hopes of picking up CHI who faces Cleveland at home in week 16.

Tough to drop DET D, but I haven't been impressed and I see J. Howard running all over them in week 15. 

 
I have a first round bye.  Looking ahead week 15,16.  LAC and DET are available.  Should I pick up both?

LAC:  @KC (15), @NYJ (16)

DET:  vs CHI (15), @CIN (16)

 
Tough to drop DET D, but I haven't been impressed and I see J. Howard running all over them in week 15. 
I may play Det against @ Tampa in week 14. I am hoping Freeney helps Det with their pass rush some. If Winston is playing, he can be a turnover machine, and Det can be opportunistic in that area. Tampa also just lost their C and RT.  What do you think about DET in week 14 @BobbyLayne since you are a Detroit fan? I haven't decided. I have Philly too, but don't know if I want to play them at the Rams. I have the Bengals at home too against Chicago, but their D hasn't been that good lately.

 
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I have a first round bye.  Looking ahead week 15,16.  LAC and DET are available.  Should I pick up both?

LAC:  @KC (15), @NYJ (16)

DET:  vs CHI (15), @CIN (16)
In the same boat looking ahead to Week 15, 16 with a bye. Picked up the Panthers and plan to roll with them. 

They get the Packers and Bucs at home. Doubt Rodgers rushes to come back if the Pack are out of playoff contention, and I'll take the Panthers against Jameis any day of the week. 

 
In one league I was looking at the likes of Washington, New Orleans, NYJ, and Oakland.  I'm a little scared of that Washington matchup at Dallas on a Thursday night.  Feels like a get right game for the Cowboys, but mostly the Thursday games are so unpredictable that I don't want to play with fire.

I'm actually leaning toward the Raiders right now.  Home game against a cross country Giants team with Geno at the helm.  Surely ... 

 
I have a first round bye.  Looking ahead week 15,16.  LAC and DET are available.  Should I pick up both?

LAC:  @KC (15), @NYJ (16)

DET:  vs CHI (15), @CIN (16)
I'd pick up as many Ds as allowed. By week 15, things could change.

I also have a bye and am looking ahead to weeks 15 and 16. Right now I have:

* Week 15: DEN @Indy

* Week 16: PIT @HOU

I'm thinking of dropping DET who faces CHI week 15 for the CHI D who face CLE at home in week 16.

Chargers also have attractive matchups. If I don't get CHI D may go after LAC since a) they seem to be a better overall D than DET, and b) Their offense is starting to click which will help the D.

 
Must win game:

NO vs CAR

DET @ BAL

CHI vs SF (Jimmy G starting)

DEN @ MIA (Cutler starting)

WAS @ DAL (Thursday Night game)

TB @ GB

 
I may play Det against @ Tampa in week 14. I am hoping Freeney helps Det with their pass rush some. If Winston is playing, he can be a turnover machine, and Det can be opportunistic in that area. Tampa also just lost their C and RT.  What do you think about DET in week 14 @BobbyLayne since you are a Detroit fan? I haven't decided. I have Philly too, but don't know if I want to play them at the Rams. I have the Bengals at home too against Chicago, but their D hasn't been that good lately.
Agree with the Winston T.O, argument. Is it DT or DST? The Bucs are not good on ST and Agnew is always a threat.

A 37 year old Freeney playing limited snaps will no doubt help their pass rush but they don't have anyone who can set the edge. The LBs have been terrible all year and while TB lacks playmakers we've seen average players look fantastic against the Lions. Strong defensive backfield. 

Will probably be an ugly, low scoring game in which they do just enough to win and make a big play on D or ST to eek out a win against a clearly inferior team.

 
Tried for Chargers but ended up with TEN. Seems like a good matchup vs. Houston.
I like TEN but went with what I think is more "sure" DEN over CHI. 

Nervous about DEN as I think their woeful offense puts way more pressure on the D, and the next game or two without Talib will be telling as to whether they can still be effective against the pass, but those match ups really are hard to pass up.

 
After seeing Marpet and Dotson are done for the year with the Bucs, I’m going to give all teams going against Jameis a strong look. I see sacks and turnovers in the future...

 
After seeing Marpet and Dotson are done for the year with the Bucs, I’m going to give all teams going against Jameis a strong look. I see sacks and turnovers in the future...
Just looking at the Packers with 2 good matchups coming up but man they look bad, can they get it together?

 
Have Jax, but was able to grab the Chargers.  Would you start the Chargers over Jax?

 
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I picked up Oakland for this week but Detroit is now available. @Baltimore is not the best matchup and I have no room for 2 DST. Should I take a chance and drop Oakland? In a must win situation.

 
Have Pittsburgh, just trying to figure out week 15 since they're playing the Pats.

Right now I have the Saints, home against the Jets.

But there's also:

Bills (Miami at home)

Lions (Chicago at home)

Broncos (at Indy)

As much as the Broncos sitting on the wire is enticing, they've really been bad this year. 

 
Thinking Washington (at Dal) over Detroit (at Balt) this week. Dallas has be yielding tons of points to DSTs since Zeke was suspended. 

 
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Thinking Washington over Detroit this week. Dallas has be yielding tons of points to DSTs since Zeke was suspended. 
Only thing that worries me regarding Washington is that it feels like it could be a get right week for Dallas. And it's the Thursday night game. Feels like anything can happen in those tilts. 

 
steelwind said:
Wait I have the Chargers and was going to pair them with Detroit.  Only need them week 15 and 16.  Are they an every week starter defense to you?
I only need them those two weeks as well and am rolling with them. I dropped DEN to the wire 

 
Always go against Cleveland.
That was my thought. Problem is GB has zero elite scoring games this season (CIN has 1, back when they played the Colts.) Also [breaks out the hand sanitizer], Kizer has been decent sucked less 3 of his last 4.

 
That was my thought. Problem is GB has zero elite scoring games this season (CIN has 1, back when they played the Colts.) Also [breaks out the hand sanitizer], Kizer has been decent sucked less 3 of his last 4.
I get it. Hell, Cinci didn't do much against Cleveland last week. I just look it as, what's the hill you want to die on? If "Started a DST playing Cleveland" is on my fantasy tombstone, I'm OK with that.

 
Can I ask a consensus Q about DEN?
 

a) Do we think they make a sound streaming play this week vs the Fins?

b) While not as trustworthy as they were at the beginning of the season, do we think they make for a good hold and stream for their games going forward (esp. Jets and Indy weeks 14-15)?

Their unit is still solid against the run, but have had major holes defending vs TDs through the air, and not getting the pass rush on as they did. 

Trying to gauge how comfortable I should be with them vs other options.

 
I get it. Hell, Cinci didn't do much against Cleveland last week. I just look it as, what's the hill you want to die on? If "Started a DST playing Cleveland" is on my fantasy tombstone, I'm OK with that.
To be fair, I’m objecting/arguing with myself because I hold the Ravens (WK 15 & 16 llocked) abd the Chargers (Was WK 14.) So I would be dropping LAC for negligible uptick & taking the risk I face them in a subsequent round.  

 
Can I ask a consensus Q about DEN?
 

a) Do we think they make a sound streaming play this week vs the Fins?

b) While not as trustworthy as they were at the beginning of the season, do we think they make for a good hold and stream for their games going forward (esp. Jets and Indy weeks 14-15)?

Their unit is still solid against the run, but have had major holes defending vs TDs through the air, and not getting the pass rush on as they did. 

Trying to gauge how comfortable I should be with them vs other options.
I wouldn't play them but it would depend on my other options

 
Can I ask a consensus Q about DEN?
 

a) Do we think they make a sound streaming play this week vs the Fins?

b) While not as trustworthy as they were at the beginning of the season, do we think they make for a good hold and stream for their games going forward (esp. Jets and Indy weeks 14-15)?

Their unit is still solid against the run, but have had major holes defending vs TDs through the air, and not getting the pass rush on as they did. 

Trying to gauge how comfortable I should be with them vs other options.
Their offensive woes put their defense in a bad position.

In my eyes, they are not bad but not good. My guess is there’s a better option for you.

 
Can I ask a consensus Q about DEN?
 

a) Do we think they make a sound streaming play this week vs the Fins?

b) While not as trustworthy as they were at the beginning of the season, do we think they make for a good hold and stream for their games going forward (esp. Jets and Indy weeks 14-15)?

Their unit is still solid against the run, but have had major holes defending vs TDs through the air, and not getting the pass rush on as they did. 

Trying to gauge how comfortable I should be with them vs other options.
Depends on the options out there.  For me, it's a flier on OAK def against Geno, or the opposite side of this matchup which is MIA taking a lead and then getting the turnovers.   Or take on an underperformer like KC?

The DEN special teams have been awful, so don't expect relief there.  But they have J-E-T-S and Indy coming up which gives them 3 games to get healthy.

Yes, I chose DEN as the best of ok options.  Too many jobs on the line, and an easier schedule should help them right the ship and finish the season in a positive manner.

 
Can I ask a consensus Q about DEN?
 

a) Do we think they make a sound streaming play this week vs the Fins?

b) While not as trustworthy as they were at the beginning of the season, do we think they make for a good hold and stream for their games going forward (esp. Jets and Indy weeks 14-15)?

Their unit is still solid against the run, but have had major holes defending vs TDs through the air, and not getting the pass rush on as they did. 

Trying to gauge how comfortable I should be with them vs other options.
Hell no

Talib out, they are not playing strong as a team up and down anyway, and Miami isn't that bad really.  Stay away

 
FWIW I went with the Titans this week.  My 'leading indicator' I primarily use for defenses is sacks.  Not only is there a direct relationship (sack=point) but getting after the QB leads to INTs, and leads to defensive touchdowns.

They had 8 sacks last week vs Colts (FWIW Colts are now #1 in sacks allowed with 47, leading the pack by 7).  Houston (who Titans playing) are 8th with 34, not that stout of a line.  

Link to data if interested http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks

So I just took the top 8 teams in sacks allowed (after 8 it drops off a bit) and examined each.  My picks to consider:

Steelers / Ravens / Bears / Titans

Indy vs Jags (Jags likely unavailable)
Packers vs Bucs (Bucs dead last in sacks for the year - pass)
Bengals vs Steelers (Steelers unavailable but good choice if so)
Broncos vs Dolphins (Dolphins 3rd lowest sack total - pass)
Lions vs Ravens (Unavail for me, but could be good choice)
Jets vs Chiefs (Defense hasn't been great...unavail for me anyway)
49ers vs Bears (Decent choice...unavail for me)
Texans vs Titans (Middle of the pack but have improved as season gone on - avail and my choice)

 
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To be fair, I’m objecting/arguing with myself because I hold the Ravens (WK 15 & 16 llocked) abd the Chargers (Was WK 14.) So I would be dropping LAC for negligible uptick & taking the risk I face them in a subsequent round.  
FWIW, I'm pretty sure I'm starting LAC over Cinci next week. I have this theory that DSTs are like penny stocks in that the upside is way bigger than the downside. If I buy a stock the worst case is I lose my investment, but best case is that I earn many multiples of it (Please note that I am not a certified financial adviser, past returns do not predict future performance, etc. etc.)

Same with fantasy defenses. The average fantasy D will, in standard scoring leagues, get you 5-7 points each week. Absolute worst case scenario, you get -3, but that almost never happens. On the other hand, if they steamroller them and have a few pick-sixes, you could be getting a week-winning performance.

As we've discussed, Cinci is a high-floor, low-ceiling play (and BTW, same could be said of the Chicago offense). They're not going to crap the bed, but they're also probably not going to go bananas. LAC vs. Washington might be a little "riskier", but as I was just saying, that risk isn't that big. Meanwhile, they've been absolutely on fire lately, so if I had to bet on which D was most likely to score a TD, they'd be right up there.

Now, as for LAC vs GB, my default is to take the good D in a so-so matchup over the reverse.

 
Sitting here with NE but really starting to consider Wash for this week.  With Dallas barely scoring and the injuries to their oline, I have to think Wash will play tough in defense. I can see Kerrigan with a couple of sacks and maybe an int from Norman. Really considering the switch.

With that said, I already have Cousins, Perine, and Crowder going tonight, so isn't there something like too many eggs in one basket?

Thoughts?

 

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