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2019 College football thread - It's 2020, yo. Go to the new thread. (3 Viewers)

Solid won for Georgia.  They didn't win at the lines, didn't make many big plays, but found a win to beat a very good Irish squad.  It didn't look pretty, but that was a really nice win for the Bulldogs.

 
Proud of the guys tonight but I’m sick of the moral victories. The offensive game plan was absolute garbage and Long and Kelly should be roasted for it. 

Georgia played a heck of a game. Tip of the cap. 

 
NutterButter said:
They get a lot of 3 and 4 star players but never any 5 star players.  You need 5 star players to win championships.  
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Not true. Remember Manti Te’o? Jaylon Smith? Hell Jimmy Clausen was the #1 overall recruit in his class. 

They don’t get the top recruits now because it is Kelly’s strategy. Remember his RKG comment? He thinks he can make 5 stars. 

 
Jayded said:
Not true. Remember Manti Te’o? Jaylon Smith? Hell Jimmy Clausen was the #1 overall recruit in his class. 

They don’t get the top recruits now because it is Kelly’s strategy. Remember his RKG comment? He thinks he can make 5 stars. 
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But you just said it isn't the talent.  It is the talent.   Why they don't get the elite players, I don't know.   I remember those people and that's like every year for Alabama, Clemson and Georgia.  I think people that think ND is a desirable location for the elite players is living in the past.   

 
NutterButter said:
But you just said it isn't the talent.  It is the talent.   Why they don't get the elite players, I don't know.   I remember those people and that's like every year for Alabama, Clemson and Georgia.  I think people that think ND is a desirable location for the elite players is living in the past.   
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Their last two classes have 49 recruits; 30 are 4-stars 

 
Capella said:
Their last two classes have 49 recruits; 30 are 4-stars 
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Yes, that's what they get; low end 4 star recruits.   That's my point. They'll always have a competitive team b/c of that but they get no elite players.  You need elite players to win championships.   Their highest recruit this past year was 115th.   

 
This feels like the most appropriate stat of the game: 12 penalties, 14 rushes. You aren’t going to win games on the road against top 5 opponents if you don’t play disciplined and play offense one-dimensionally. 

 
NutterButter said:
Yes, that's what they get; low end 4 star recruits.   That's my point. They'll always have a competitive team b/c of that but they get no elite players.  You need elite players to win championships.   Their highest recruit this past year was 115th.   
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Their current junior class has 10 4-stars. 40 blue chips over 3 years is elite talent. 

 
Capella said:
By its very definition making the blue-chip list means you have elite talent. 
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If 16 teams meet the criteria, there’s definitely room to have a wide variance in “eliteness.”  Having Bloomberg money would be nice, but having Gates or Bezos money would be even better. 

 
Capella said:
Their current junior class has 10 4-stars. 40 blue chips over 3 years is elite talent. 
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One of their better years as they have actually had a couple players ranked in the double digits.  Typically their 4 star players are in the triple digits.   Compare that to the teams that win championships who have that caliber of player as their 3rd stringers.   

 
I interupt this blue chip battle to alert you that the Washington St mascot is wearing (wait for it)....cut off jean shorts, cuffed.  Yup.  That's happening right now.

If it helps, UCLAs coach is named Chip and, unlike Notre Dame, there's a real talent question to be debated there.

 
bigmarc27 said:
If 16 teams meet the criteria, there’s definitely room to have a wide variance in “eliteness.”  Having Bloomberg money would be nice, but having Gates or Bezos money would be even better. 
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I guess man. We can argue in circles all day. Notre Dame gets top-shelf talent, maybe not to the extent some other schools but more than enough to win big games and compete for a national title. They aren’t Small School U out there. 

 
Capella said:
I guess man. We can argue in circles all day. Notre Dame gets top-shelf talent, maybe not to the extent some other schools but more than enough to win big games and compete for a national title. They aren’t Small School U out there. 
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They’re definitely not small school U, but they’re not competing with the top shelf teams.  Anytime they play one of the superiorly talented schools, they lose.  They luck into a playoff spot occasionally, kick a fg and go home. 

 
bigmarc27 said:
They’re definitely not small school U, but they’re not competing with the top shelf teams.  Anytime they play one of the superiorly talented schools, they lose.  They luck into a playoff spot occasionally, kick a fg and go home. 
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Couldn't you say that about all non-Clemson and Alabama programs right now?

 
bigmarc27 said:
They’re definitely not small school U, but they’re not competing with the top shelf teams.  Anytime they play one of the superiorly talented schools, they lose.  They luck into a playoff spot occasionally, kick a fg and go home. 
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They literally just took Georgia to the wire on the road.  Like, 20 minutes ago. :shrug:  I thought they were the better team. 

 
tuned in to this Toledo v Colorado St game and a few minutes ago the color guy said there have been 28 flags in the first half

i'm not sure if he's kidding

 
Capella said:
They literally just took Georgia to the wire on the road.  Like, 20 minutes ago. :shrug:  I thought they were the better team. 
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He's arguing the program that has their own national television deal, that made the playoffs last season, has 3 1st round picks in the past two years, that just went on the road and that team set a new attendance record...isn't relevant.  ??  So, let's just say he's on a roll.  Sometimes you just gotta agree to disagree.  This appears to be one of those times.

 
trader jake said:
He's arguing the program that has their own national television deal, that made the playoffs last season, has 3 1st round picks in the past two years, that just went on the road and that team set a new attendance record...isn't relevant.  ??  So, let's just say he's on a roll.  Sometimes you just gotta agree to disagree.  This appears to be one of those times.
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On a day where his team had to muster up the courage to battle......Charlotte.  

 
Mr.Pack said:
Buffalo has a hellofa HC
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I go either way on him.  He's very reserved, very milquetoast at times, kinda comes off as a little clueless/oblivious.  UB tends to struggle to make in-game adjustments.

He has followed a similar trajectory to the most recent few coaches.  A couple middling seasons, latch on to a decent QB, make a bowl, QB leaves, rinse repeat.  They seem to be doing a little better in recruiting, but it's been slow.  One bowl game every five years and a MAC title appearance every 10 years isn't going to sustain a program in an NFL city.  Especially with the basketball team having been so successful and seemingly continuing the best-in-the-MAC pace in recruiting.

I'm encouraged with today, this was a nice win over a team who was getting votes in both polls.  But I'd really be impressed with an above-.500 season in the MAC even after losing like 14 starters.

 
Steve Tasker said:
I go either way on him.  He's very reserved, very milquetoast at times, kinda comes off as a little clueless/oblivious.  UB tends to struggle to make in-game adjustments.

He has followed a similar trajectory to the most recent few coaches.  A couple middling seasons, latch on to a decent QB, make a bowl, QB leaves, rinse repeat.  They seem to be doing a little better in recruiting, but it's been slow.  One bowl game every five years and a MAC title appearance every 10 years isn't going to sustain a program in an NFL city.  Especially with the basketball team having been so successful and seemingly continuing the best-in-the-MAC pace in recruiting.

I'm encouraged with today, this was a nice win over a team who was getting votes in both polls.  But I'd really be impressed with an above-.500 season in the MAC even after losing like 14 starters.
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Talent level notwithstanding, he won 6 D3 titles in 8 years. 

 
strykerpks said:
Oh I hear ya. I just thought calling him clueless was a bit over the top. Though I don't get to watch many UB games so you may be right.
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I phrased that poorly.  He's definitely not actually-clueless on the sideline.  He just looks like it sometimes....looks dumfounded, emotionless, stunned when his team struggles.  I think it's just his personality.  Some games (like last week against Liberty), UB gets ruthlessly outcoached.  But last year was a record-breaking year for the program, first time to 10 wins.  He's got a very, very long leash right now, and if he can string together some successful seasons, he's easily the best coach in school history.

 
Jayded said:
Proud of the guys tonight but I’m sick of the moral victories. The offensive game plan was absolute garbage and Long and Kelly should be roasted for it. 

Georgia played a heck of a game. Tip of the cap. 
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Felt very much like the last UGA game.  Also up 3 at the half in a defensive battle, and Kelly cannot make in game or halftime adjustments.  They run what they run and that's that.  I could see after the second three and out that the safeties were creeping up cutting off the underneath routes and ND had success going vertical at the end of the half, but Kelly spends the 3rd quarter trying to establish the run. 

I half wonder if Book was hurt, the fastball was a changeup tonight, the routes were jumped constantly, the second pick was like a slow motion car wreck and once your flea flicker gets busted throw it away don't force it. That game was very winnable for ND tonight, all credit to UGA and their fans for that atmosphere.  

I'm with you, been chasing moral victories for years, lets get some real ones.

 
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