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2019 College football thread - It's 2020, yo. Go to the new thread. (1 Viewer)

Feel like we have this same conversation every year right before Nov 1.  And every year, the 'what ifs' take care of themselves as the month of Nov. grinds up and spits out some of the teams being discussed as possible playoff teams. 
Last Thursday or Friday, people on a different board were lamenting that this was going to be the year FOR SURE. I didn't even bother bumping the conversation where a few of them were sure neither Oklahoma nor Clemson would lose going forward. Whoopsie.

November is the crunch time for most teams, and a lot of programs have their schedule back loaded with tougher, in conference games, and even those middling games or surprises catch some like Oklahoma dealt with last weekend.

I'm sure we're going to have a year where there's a legitimate beef with only having 4 teams, but it will be an outlier... which will probably lead to an 8 team playoff.

 
One thing that's not being discussed is the fact that the Pac12 is in dire financial straits.  Something will need to be done or this conference might just dissolve.  Thanks Larry Scott!
OMG when the conference dissolves how will these top tier research institutions share knowledge?

 
After all these years having an 8 team playoff seems better and better.    All p5 champs and 3 at large.  

Why is this so difficult?
As long as the p5 champ is ranked in the top 12, I'm okay with giving them an automatic bid. But it they're not a top 12, they need to hope that the selection committee gives them an at large spot (which would grow to 4 with that conference not getting an automatic bid). 

 
culdeus said:
Because the Big12 and Pac10 don't even look like to have the 7th and 8th best teams in most years having won one playoff game between the two conferences, and none since 2014.  It would be a huge waste of time.  4 teams is fine.  Even if two of them are SEC most years.
Well the SEC could have up to 4 teams.

SEC Champ

and three at large bids.  

 
General Malaise said:
One thing that's not being discussed is the fact that the Pac12 is in dire financial straits.  Something will need to be done or this conference might just dissolve.  Thanks Larry Scott!
And a bunch of terrible PAC 12 referees lose their jobs.  WIN - WIN!!!!

 
NCAA takes first step in allowing college athletes to make profit

On Tuesday, the NCAA Board of Governors said it will now allow college athletes to be compensated for their name, image and likeness opportunities. The decision comes in light of the approval of California's "Fair Pay to Play" act.

Bring back NCAA @EA

 
NCAA takes first step in allowing college athletes to make profit

On Tuesday, the NCAA Board of Governors said it will now allow college athletes to be compensated for their name, image and likeness opportunities. The decision comes in light of the approval of California's "Fair Pay to Play" act.
Updates to bylaws and policies to be created beginning immediately, but no later than January 2021.

 
NCAA takes first step in allowing college athletes to make profit

On Tuesday, the NCAA Board of Governors said it will now allow college athletes to be compensated for their name, image and likeness opportunities. The decision comes in light of the approval of California's "Fair Pay to Play" act.

Bring back NCAA @EA
Well that just put a lot of bagmen out of business. 

 
NCAA takes first step in allowing college athletes to make profit

On Tuesday, the NCAA Board of Governors said it will now allow college athletes to be compensated for their name, image and likeness opportunities. The decision comes in light of the approval of California's "Fair Pay to Play" act.

Bring back NCAA @EA
I want NCAA football game back but not with the current EA format. I hope they go back to the old style and we don't get all the emphasize placed on a my team style BS.

 
Bagman business bout to really pick up actually. 
You don’t think I’d have plopped down $50 for a photo with Saquon Barkley a couple years back? Darn straight I would and I live 2 hours from State College. 

The bagman will continue to grease the skids, so to speak. The fraud of no show jobs is history IMO.*

* But I could be wrong. 

 
You don’t think I’d have plopped down $50 for a photo with Saquon Barkley a couple years back? Darn straight I would and I live 2 hours from State College. 

The bagman will continue to grease the skids, so to speak. The fraud of no show jobs is history IMO.*

* But I could be wrong. 
You are correct that the fraud of no show jobs is history, but only because it’ll no longer be fraud. No show jobs will be at an all time high. 

 
All for the kids making money off their name, likeness and image from private businesses and individuals.  Seems fair to me.  Is there a provision so that someone like Alabama can't have 85 now highly-compensated scholarship players, and 85 more highly-compensated walk-ons?  Does it matter?

 
All for the kids making money off their name, likeness and image from private businesses and individuals.  Seems fair to me.  Is there a provision so that someone like Alabama can't have 85 now highly-compensated scholarship players, and 85 more highly-compensated walk-ons?  Does it matter?
I think generally this new branch of the college business is being way over-valued.  The licensed apparel end would only open up a few options per big school.  Unless memorabilia, appearances, etc is way bigger...I don't think this goes very deep.

 
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I think generally this new branch of the college business is being generally way over-valued.  The licensed apparel end would only open up a few options per big school.  Unless memorabilia, appearances, etc is way bigger...I don't think this goes very deep.
I very much believe you know more about his subject than I do.  :thumbup:  

 
So, it seems the devil's going to be in the details, but I'm not sure I understand the connection between jobs and getting paid for your likeness/name/image.  I've always felt that the likeness/name/image stuff was the low hanging fruit and the more "problematic" stuff was the jobs etc.  Evena  stipend seems relatively easy to solve for.  Are they planning on opening things so that the players can now have jobs?  That seems like where the big dough is to be made and the most problematic to police.

 
Let the record show Alabama has been trying for years to put more money in the hands of these young kids' hands who will now be taxed, so in trying to help them, you've just hurt them more.

 
Let the record show Alabama has been trying for years to put more money in the hands of these young kids' hands who will now be taxed, so in trying to help them, you've just hurt them more.
I'm not following how paying taxes on the extra money they are able to earn is hurting them more.  Is there talk of also taxing them on the value of their scholarships?

It will be interesting when someone gets busted for tax evasion though.

ETA:  Apparently this was a big :whoosh:  for me.

 
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General Malaise said:
Feel like we have this same conversation every year right before Nov 1.  And every year, the 'what ifs' take care of themselves as the month of Nov. grinds up and spits out some of the teams being discussed as possible playoff teams. 
Seriously this is like the same thread every year for what I feel like is my whole adult life now. 

 
I'm not following how paying taxes on the extra money they are able to earn is hurting them more.  Is there talk of also taxing them on the value of their scholarships?

It will be interesting when someone gets busted for tax evasion though.

ETA:  Apparently this was a big :whoosh:  for me.
Yes there is an idiot Senator from NC who thinks its a good idea to tax the value of the scholarship

https://twitter.com/SenatorBurr/status/1189262863552208896

 
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FSU and Bama sign a home and home, thankfully not until 2025
👍Glad they finally figured that out...there was talk about a neutral site instead.

Bama now has FSU, Notre Dame, Texas, Wisconsin, WVU and Oklahoma lined up with H&Hs...not sure how that all gets squeezed in though.

 
So starting in 2023 FSU has home and homes with LSU, Bama and Georgia along with the annual Florida game. 
 

SEC SEC SEC

 
Here is my question:

Is this now cool for a big booster who owns a business to make a commercial with the entire team in it then compensating each player  $50,000.00 for their image, likeness, etc? Let's assume big booster either has this much $, collects the $ from other big boosters, or gets paid that much $ for constructing a new building for the athletic department.

ETA: Lets say NIKE does an Oregon Ducks Football commercial under this hypothetical. Would this be legit under the details? sheesh.

 
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Here is my question:

Is this now cool for a big booster who owns a business to make a commercial with the entire team in it then compensating each player  $50,000.00 for their image, likeness, etc? Let's assume big booster either has this much $, collects the $ from other big boosters, or gets paid that much $ for constructing a new building for the athletic department.

ETA: Lets say NIKE does an Oregon Ducks Football commercial under this hypothetical. Would this be legit under the details? sheesh.
Hope so 

 
Here is my question:

Is this now cool for a big booster who owns a business to make a commercial with the entire team in it then compensating each player  $50,000.00 for their image, likeness, etc? Let's assume big booster either has this much $, collects the $ from other big boosters, or gets paid that much $ for constructing a new building for the athletic department.

ETA: Lets say NIKE does an Oregon Ducks Football commercial under this hypothetical. Would this be legit under the details? sheesh.
Why would you toss $50k to the third string TE?  That's not moving the needle.  Save that cash for the QB, RB and the stud defensive player.

 
So starting in 2023 FSU has home and homes with LSU, Bama and Georgia along with the annual Florida game. 
 

SEC SEC SEC
Sometime around 1985-86, either Sport magazine or Inside Sports magazine had an article and a map of how college sports conferences should be arranged. Back then, there were a ton of good independents in football -- so one of the main thrusts of the article was to fit all those independents into conferences with what could be (or already were) natural rivalries. They also took colleges already in conferences and placed them into other conferences with natural rivals. Lastly, they broke through the ceiling of what, at the time, seemed to be a traditional conference limit of 10 teams by proposing several 12- and 14-team conferences.

I really wish I could find that map, or at least that article, online somewhere because it had some cool, ahead-of-their-time ideas. I remember clearly them slotting Notre Dame into the Big Ten (which was/is obvious and something people talked about forever, probably back to the Knute Rockne days).

They also had Florida State entering the SEC to join Florida as a natural rival. IMHO, I wish that would've happened, and then South Carolina joining Clemson in the ACC.

They presaged the joining of (part of) the old SWC with a portion of the Big 8. It was different than what ended up happening in real life -- I think they made a 14-team team SWC by using the then-current 9 members with OU, OSU, KU, KSU, and Nebraska. Something like that. Missouri and Iowa State ended up in the Big Ten, too, I think.

They did a re-arranged WAC, putting San Diego State into the Pac-10, and putting Colorado into the WAC. Boise State wasn't even on the radar yet, so no soup for them at the time. IIRC, they also maintained a Big East alongside the ACC -- no putting Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland into the Big 10, say. I want to say that WVU was put in the Big 10, but I'm not positive on that.

I really wish I could find that article. It was a cool what-if? back then, and would be interesting to compare their ideas to what actually came to pass in the future. If any one used to read those magazines back then (should be likely given this crowd), you may recall this map and remember that it was done in pastel tones of blue, pink, and yellow. The state outlines were not exactly geographically accurate -- they were stylized and the state borders were broad white lines.

 
👍Glad they finally figured that out...there was talk about a neutral site instead.

Bama now has FSU, Notre Dame, Texas, Wisconsin, WVU and Oklahoma lined up with H&Hs...not sure how that all gets squeezed in though.
2032 / 2033  Sure hope Bama and OU have enough time to work out the kinks over the next 13 years.   

OU has already started scouring all the day cares looking for that next great player.   Kids who possess the best hopscotch and who have mastered Tag.  

 
Here is my question:

Is this now cool for a big booster who owns a business to make a commercial with the entire team in it then compensating each player  $50,000.00 for their image, likeness, etc? Let's assume big booster either has this much $, collects the $ from other big boosters, or gets paid that much $ for constructing a new building for the athletic department.

ETA: Lets say NIKE does an Oregon Ducks Football commercial under this hypothetical. Would this be legit under the details? sheesh.
UVa might be relevant then. Our boosters have a lot of money.

 
The whole [insert school here] may be good! thing doesn’t work because that school is already spending money on players. Just not successfully. All that changes now is some tax forms. 

 
ESPN College Gameday setting up on Beale Street for SMU at Memphis

Cool pic

More photos and a story about some details.

Liberty Bowl is just about sold out (~60k) and the town is amped up. Should be an interesting Gameday / Game Atmosphere. :banned:  

Im skipping town for my Folks’ 70th birthday cruise on Celebrity in the Caribbean, little bummed I’m missing it. 

Have fun @bryhamm!
Gameday Set appears to be complete!

Looks pretty awesome tucked in there on Beale. 
 

 
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Why would you toss $50k to the third string TE?  That's not moving the needle.  Save that cash for the QB, RB and the stud defensive player.
Because he was a 5 star recruit and 50K is the minimum and others get more. I dunno. Not really why i was asking. I was asking because this can be all out NFL with no salary cap in a hurry if my hypothetical is plausible. You can only have 85 scholarship players. so what? pay each 4 and 5 star 200k/year to walk on if you are oregon or whomever has a huge booster where money is no object. I guess playing time may be a factor. Its going to be interesting. 

 

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