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2019 College football thread - It's 2020, yo. Go to the new thread. (1 Viewer)

General Malaise said:
USC has to prepare for the fact that Urban Meyer is likely not a candidate for the job.  Their president has declared this a non-starter.  This was BEFORE USC went out and hired an outsider for their vacant AD position, something they haven't done in quite some time.  It was a significant move and a seachange for a school that has previously hired former star athletes - with little to no AD experience - to do a tough job they weren't qualified for which led to some embarrassing failures.  

The hiring of former Cincinnati AD Mike Bohn is significant and I think he'll bring in a coach that has no ties to USC.  And if Meyer isn't an option, who does he tap to replace Helton, once he fires him?  James Franklin isn't going to entertain any offers right now, so Bohn has to start working on his shortlist.  Why wouldn't that include Luke Fickell?  He's done a good job at Cincinnati, has experience running a big time program (albeit on an interim basis with mediocre results, which weren't really his fault) and he's a younger guy who has energy, unlike the milquetoast blob they have there now.  Last time they hired an outsider it worked out pretty well for them.  :shrug:
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I didn’t know the new AD was from Cincinnati...that certainly makes sense with that knowledge.

 
General Malaise said:
Sure, but it seems like an awfully big step up considering what FSU just went through with Taggart.  He clearly wasn't ready for the job, which by all accounts is incredibly demanding.  Not sure why FSU isn't courting Matt Rhule.  Success at Temple, then goes to Baylor which was in utter ruins and turned that program around in a hurry.  
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Rhule is legit. Great coach. Very little ego. Does all the little things right and makes sure his players do too. Temple is still a good program after he left which means he built it right. Baylor's turn around is nothing short of a miracle and they have good kids there buying in. 

FSU would be lucky to get him as the coach. Don't know if he'd bail on Baylor yet. 

 
WDIK2 said:
Is she now backing down somewhat from that?  I have no idea how good that source is, or if it means anything.
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I mean....she HAS to know how important football - especially winning football - is to her school.  The fans were booing Helton last year.  Now they just don't show up.  That's awful and it hurts the school financially.  So for her to have ruled Meyer out of the question weeks ago seemed short sighted.  Maybe she's reconsidered after witnessing the apathy of her fanbase and the dwindling revenue.  

I get taking a moral stance but you have to keep the lights on and the campus mowed too.

 
mr. furley said:
given the shambles those two programs were in i might hire this guy to be supreme ruler
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Temple was not in shambles when rhule got there.

al Golden is the one who really built, them Steve addazio was able to keep it decent. Rhule definitely took them up a level though.

 
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As long as he was strictly a figurehead, recruiter and motivator it could MAYBE work.  Hire the best O and D coordinators and let them run their side of the ball.

I realize that would never happen in practice but I could maybe see it.

 
whoknew said:
From Ian Rappaport - NO other hire makes any sense - 

NFL Network analyst and Hall of Famer Deion Sanders has emerged as a candidate for the Florida St. head coaching job, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. A fascinating situation that could unfold.

#Deionforever #Donotpunttheballtothatboy
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Zero chance. Boosters want an established guy who has run a major program. 

 
Tom Servo said:
I remember Ki-Jana Carter running all over Oregon in the Rose Bowl.
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I was at that game.  Hungover and discouraged after Nebraska beat Miami the night before blocking the chance for a national championship.

Oregon got the opening kickoff and put together a long drive that came up empty.  Ki-Jana took it to the house on the first play.

I read an interview with a couple of the PSU linemen that said they missed their blocks on that play...Ki-Jana was so good it didn’t matter.

 
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Long Ball Larry said:
Temple was not in shambles when rhule got there.

al Golden is the one who really built, them Steve addazio was able to keep it decent. Rhule definitely took them up a level though.
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It wasn't exactly a model for stability either. It was about Rutgers level after they left. 

 
whoknew said:
From Ian Rappaport - NO other hire makes any sense - 

NFL Network analyst and Hall of Famer Deion Sanders has emerged as a candidate for the Florida St. head coaching job, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. A fascinating situation that could unfold.

#Deionforever #Donotpunttheballtothatboy
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I want this sooooooo badly it hurts. 

 
OSU defensive end Chase Young out this week as the NCAA investigates possible violation from 2018. IMO, death penalty for the program is the only answer.

 
yellowdog said:
OSU defensive end Chase Young out this week as the NCAA investigates possible violation from 2018. IMO, death penalty for the program is the only answer.
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Nothing is known about it right now, but staff has said they are confident he will be back this season.  Just happy they got in front of it once they found out.

 
They're trying to suspend him for Maryland and Rutgers in the hopes that the NCAA will say that's good enough and he can play against PSU and Michigan.

 
From Bill Greene at Bucknuts:
 

Regrading Chase Young:

1- The people I trust the most aren't saying a word which is understandable. So I'm now working down past my best sources into an area of people I'm not going to trust. And I've gotten 4 different versions so nothing concrete from me. It's not fair to do that.

2- OSU is concerned enough that they are not laughing this off and they are investigating, as they should. There's no way this gets wrapped up in 2-3 hours so my feeling is that Chase Young WILL NOT play tomorrow. That's fine. It doesn't hurt OSU and it won't hurt Chase if he's exonerated.

3- This MIGHT not concern the player directly and it could be they're looking into someone close to him. A few people feel this is the case.

4- This also might be minor enough that it's not career-ending or season-ending. I was told that is a possibility as well.

5- I wouldn't kill the kid just yet. Let all the facts come out and if he's guilty there will be plenty of time for people to get their pound of flesh from Chase's hide.

6- I hate to even say anything when my info is this flimsy but OSU has a lid on it and they SHOULD. I just feel you guys at least deserve some discussion on it from someone at 247/Bucknuts. As I get more info, I will put it right here.

7- I'm also not afraid to break a big story but I have to have the goods to do that. On this, I have very little goods I could stand behind. When I had the Urban Meyer to Ohio State story dead nailed, I broke it and beat all the big boys. I have a little above rumor on this one.

 
Mad Cow said:
From Bill Greene at Bucknuts:
 

Regrading Chase Young:

1- The people I trust the most aren't saying a word which is understandable. So I'm now working down past my best sources into an area of people I'm not going to trust. And I've gotten 4 different versions so nothing concrete from me. It's not fair to do that.

2- OSU is concerned enough that they are not laughing this off and they are investigating, as they should. There's no way this gets wrapped up in 2-3 hours so my feeling is that Chase Young WILL NOT play tomorrow. That's fine. It doesn't hurt OSU and it won't hurt Chase if he's exonerated.

3- This MIGHT not concern the player directly and it could be they're looking into someone close to him. A few people feel this is the case.

4- This also might be minor enough that it's not career-ending or season-ending. I was told that is a possibility as well.

5- I wouldn't kill the kid just yet. Let all the facts come out and if he's guilty there will be plenty of time for people to get their pound of flesh from Chase's hide.

6- I hate to even say anything when my info is this flimsy but OSU has a lid on it and they SHOULD. I just feel you guys at least deserve some discussion on it from someone at 247/Bucknuts. As I get more info, I will put it right here.

7- I'm also not afraid to break a big story but I have to have the goods to do that. On this, I have very little goods I could stand behind. When I had the Urban Meyer to Ohio State story dead nailed, I broke it and beat all the big boys. I have a little above rumor on this one.
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Bucknut Fake News Spin.  Chase Young is guilty of matriculating to college at the very least.

 
Mad Cow said:
From Bill Greene at Bucknuts:
 

Regrading Chase Young:

1- The people I trust the most aren't saying a word which is understandable. So I'm now working down past my best sources into an area of people I'm not going to trust. And I've gotten 4 different versions so nothing concrete from me. It's not fair to do that.

2- OSU is concerned enough that they are not laughing this off and they are investigating, as they should. There's no way this gets wrapped up in 2-3 hours so my feeling is that Chase Young WILL NOT play tomorrow. That's fine. It doesn't hurt OSU and it won't hurt Chase if he's exonerated.

3- This MIGHT not concern the player directly and it could be they're looking into someone close to him. A few people feel this is the case.

4- This also might be minor enough that it's not career-ending or season-ending. I was told that is a possibility as well.

5- I wouldn't kill the kid just yet. Let all the facts come out and if he's guilty there will be plenty of time for people to get their pound of flesh from Chase's hide.

6- I hate to even say anything when my info is this flimsy but OSU has a lid on it and they SHOULD. I just feel you guys at least deserve some discussion on it from someone at 247/Bucknuts. As I get more info, I will put it right here.

7- I'm also not afraid to break a big story but I have to have the goods to do that. On this, I have very little goods I could stand behind. When I had the Urban Meyer to Ohio State story dead nailed, I broke it and beat all the big boys. I have a little above rumor on this one.
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If they aren't going to use the death penalty for the program, they have to kick him off the team. I don't see any other option.

 
I love this part:

”1- The people I trust the most aren't saying a word which is understandable. So I'm now working down past my best sources into an area of people I'm not going to trust. And I've gotten 4 different versions so nothing concrete from me. It's not fair to do that.”

I’m guessing all these people he called yesterday will tell him to go f himself moving forward.  Of course they’re also probably not real so it’s all moot.

 
Why all the cloak-&-dagger with Chase Young? This has happened a million times in college football -- isn't the likely list of "the thing he did" fairly short (NCAA bylaws notwithstanding)?

 
bigmarc27 said:
I love this part:

”1- The people I trust the most aren't saying a word which is understandable. So I'm now working down past my best sources into an area of people I'm not going to trust. And I've gotten 4 different versions so nothing concrete from me. It's not fair to do that.”

I’m guessing all these people he called yesterday will tell him to go f himself moving forward.  Of course they’re also probably not real so it’s all moot.
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Yeah, if they're not saying much I'm guessing it's something serious.  But Bucknuts are going to Bucknut.

 
FWIW, Barstool SEC is reporting that Chase Young took money from an agent and there will be a 10 am announcement about it. 
 

(Take that as you will, wait and see what comes out, Generic disclaimer, etc.)

 
Tom Servo said:
FWIW, Barstool SEC is reporting that Chase Young took money from an agent and there will be a 10 am announcement about it. 
 

(Take that as you will, wait and see what comes out, Generic disclaimer, etc.)
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Not only should he be kicked off the team immediately, but Ohio State should forfeit every game he's played in.

 
General Malaise said:
USC has to prepare for the fact that Urban Meyer is likely not a candidate for the job.  Their president has declared this a non-starter.  This was BEFORE USC went out and hired an outsider for their vacant AD position, something they haven't done in quite some time.  It was a significant move and a seachange for a school that has previously hired former star athletes - with little to no AD experience - to do a tough job they weren't qualified for which led to some embarrassing failures.  

The hiring of former Cincinnati AD Mike Bohn is significant and I think he'll bring in a coach that has no ties to USC.  And if Meyer isn't an option, who does he tap to replace Helton, once he fires him?  James Franklin isn't going to entertain any offers right now, so Bohn has to start working on his shortlist.  Why wouldn't that include Luke Fickell?  He's done a good job at Cincinnati, has experience running a big time program (albeit on an interim basis with mediocre results, which weren't really his fault) and he's a younger guy who has energy, unlike the milquetoast blob they have there now.  Last time they hired an outsider it worked out pretty well for them.  :shrug:
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Gonna be a little obtuse here, but is there really evidence that USC boosters really give a #### anymore?  At this point you need guys willing to write a 10 figure check.  I mean I'm sure they have rich AF alumni, but I don't get the sense they have a Knight type character in the mix, but could be totally off here.

 
Something else:

Whenever a university decides to suspend an impactful star player in a naked attempt to avoid NCAA discipline ... could the NCAA just assume the worst and summarily make the player ineligible? In other words: they know, we know, and everyone knows programs like Ohio State don't voluntarily sit guys for small-time stuff. So logically  ... when TOSU suspends someone, isn't it automatically known to be a major violation?

 
Doug B said:
Something else:

Whenever a university decides to suspend an impactful star player in a naked attempt to avoid NCAA discipline ... could the NCAA just assume the worst and summarily make the player ineligible? In other words: they know, we know, and everyone knows programs like Ohio State don't voluntarily sit guys for small-time stuff. So logically  ... when TOSU suspends someone, isn't it automatically known to be a major violation?
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You've hit the nail on the head.

 
culdeus said:
Gonna be a little obtuse here, but is there really evidence that USC boosters really give a #### anymore?  At this point you need guys willing to write a 10 figure check.  I mean I'm sure they have rich AF alumni, but I don't get the sense they have a Knight type character in the mix, but could be totally off here.
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Unless you're including cents as "figures", this seems like a lot.

 
Doug B said:
Something else:

Whenever a university decides to suspend an impactful star player in a naked attempt to avoid NCAA discipline ... could the NCAA just assume the worst and summarily make the player ineligible? In other words: they know, we know, and everyone knows programs like Ohio State don't voluntarily sit guys for small-time stuff. So logically  ... when TOSU suspends someone, isn't it automatically known to be a major violation?
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No.

 
bigmarc27 said:
“Family friend”

I don’t care one way or the other, but family friend is quite obviously code speak for booster or agent. 
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:lol: at the team with "Well golly, Jesus told me to give those pills to my players, we had no idea they would help them play better so why don't you just look the other way" talking smack about this issue.  But :shrug:

 
Mad Cow said:
:lol: at the team with "Well golly, Jesus told me to give those pills to my players, we had no idea they would help them play better so why don't you just look the other way" talking smack about this issue.  But :shrug:
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What part of “I don’t care one way or the other” is me talking smack?  Sensitive much?

 
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