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2019 College football thread - It's 2020, yo. Go to the new thread. (2 Viewers)

Capella said:
No, but Clemson has a significantly better defense than LSU. I think it factors in.
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LSU has played four defenses comparable to Clemson’s: Georgia (2nd in PPG), Florida (8th), Auburn (13th), and Alabama (15th). Clemson was 1st in PPG allowed.

Auburn was the stiffest test. And since then, the LSU offense has actually gotten better ... to the point of putting up 37 points on the #2 defense in their home state (SEC title game).

Does Clemson’s defense outclass Georgia’s that handily? Or Alabama’s?

 
I had to shut it down last night....my “unreasonable fandom” was coming out. I apologize @Capella for targeting you! 
 

Buckeyes had their chances and we just did not get it done. Clemson hung in there when we had them on the ropes and made the big plays when they had to.

I think the two drops by Dobbins that led to FG’s, the targeting call (I admit by the rules was the right call, although I do not think was his intent) and the coaches call for the punt block were the biggest reasons for the loss.

Day was getting hammered by some for not Going for it in 4th and 4. For me that is a tough one to put on Day. In hindsight, yeah we should have gone for it, but at the moment you at your 45ish yard line, if you don’t make it Clemson is 20 yards from a field goal, your defense has just made several stops, you have a great punter.....I think a lot (probably most) of good coaches make the same decision that Day made.
 

The two point conversion didn’t end up hurting us (it could have) and I don’t know why he didn’t go for two??

All that to say, Day learned a lot last night. A good young coach got an education last night and he will be better for it. I’m glad he’s my coach and I think he will have us back in the big games in the near future! 
 

Looking forward to a great championship game! 

 
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You gotta wonder how things would have turned out if OSU didn’t flounder in the first half of the B1G championship game. 

 
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Will never understand going for the blocked punt deep in Clemson territory  when OSU would have got the ball back around midfield. Then Clemson scores a TD.  Instead a getting 7 Clemson gets 7.  A huge swing. Changed the game.

 
I didn’t get to watch the game, so just saw the fumble/TD play a bit ago.  He catches the call, plants three feet, the ball doesn’t move a millimeter, and then he fumbles.  Positively  no way you can overturn that from a catch/fumble to no catch.  Brutally bad reversal. I honestly don’t even know what the argument for a no catch is.  Anyone?  
 

(FWIW, I’m from Big Ten country and was pulling for Clemson.)

 
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SayWhat? said:
I didn’t get to watch the game, so just saw this play a bit ago.  He catches the call, plants three feet, the ball doesn’t move a millimeter, and then he fumbles.  Positively  no way you can overturn that from a catch/fumble to no catch.  Brutally bad reversal. I honestly don’t even know what the argument for a no catch is.  Anyone?  
 

(FWIW, I’m from Big Ten country and was pulling for Clemson.)
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I was surprised it wasn’t “upheld” myself - the expert they had on said he thought it wasn’t a catch and I think said he didn’t make a “football move” whatever the heck that even means.  OSU should feel much more aggrieved by that than the targeting call, IMO. 

 
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AAABatteries said:
I was surprised it wasn’t “upheld” myself - the expert they had on said he thought it wasn’t a catch and I think said he didn’t make a “football move” whatever the heck that even means.  OSU should feel much more aggrieved by that than the targeting call, IMO. 
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I was surprised too - didn’t think it was even close honestly. Suppose it’s a hate the rule and not the ref situation. 
 

On the targeting, I actually thought there was a more egregious horse collar by Chase Young on that play. 
 

Whatever. It was a great game and I salute both teams. 

 
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AAABatteries said:
I was surprised it wasn’t “upheld” myself - the expert they had on said he thought it wasn’t a catch and I think said he didn’t make a “football move” whatever the heck that even means.  OSU should feel much more aggrieved by that than the targeting call, IMO. 
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I agree that targeting was the correct call, but they have a legitimate gripe about the fumble reversal.  SVP after the game agreed.  It does look completely different in real-time, but the defender is the only thing preventing the receiver from making a "football move."  Again, whatever that means.

 
Somehow ... LSU linebacker and 2020 draft pick Michael Divinity is returning to play in the title game.

I thought Divinity was kicked off the team for a never-announced "team rules violation". Apparently, the story now is that he took time off to "attend to a personal matter". Coach Orgeron said in November that Divinity was "not eligible" to play for LSU, but never divulged why. Divinity returned to practice, with no fanfare or notice, a few weeks after the "rules violation/personal matter".

 
I can see the argument about how the whole overturn/not overturn thing doesn't apply to a continuation play anymore.  You let the play go in those situations.

In real time it looks like a no catch.  In slow mo it doesn't.

I tend to err on the side that says that slow mo is more appropriate for down by contact/fumbles and you give the benefit of the doubt on a situation like this to the pass catcher.  His feet were moving but he hadn't completely hauled it in.  

 
Wonder what it’s like being a UGA fan last night seeing “these 2 QBs grew up 20 miles from each other in Georgia” while they’re sitting at home watching Jake Fromm’s 42 second career highlight reel on YouTube. 

 
Great outcome... for so many reasons, the white hats won last night.

I agree with @Capella about the fourth down... of you are so confident in your defense to get a stop, then force a three and out if you don’t get the first and get the call back, even if in worse field position. 
 

The overturned INT was an awful call. Not only did he take 3-4 steps, but clearly moved his shoulder/arm with the football down to a degree - not sure how all that doesn’t constitute “a football move”

The football gods had to have their say, though.

This is the way. 

 
culdeus said:
I can see the argument about how the whole overturn/not overturn thing doesn't apply to a continuation play anymore.  You let the play go in those situations.

In real time it looks like a no catch.  In slow mo it doesn't.

I tend to err on the side that says that slow mo is more appropriate for down by contact/fumbles and you give the benefit of the doubt on a situation like this to the pass catcher.  His feet were moving but he hadn't completely hauled it in.  
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While I get what you are saying, is there anybody who would say it’s not a catch if held the ball out like that for 3 seconds? He seemed to obviously have control and I think if that same play happened in the end zone it’s a TD.

 
AAABatteries said:
While I get what you are saying, is there anybody who would say it’s not a catch if held the ball out like that for 3 seconds? He seemed to obviously have control and I think if that same play happened in the end zone it’s a TD.
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Another point was his feet was moving because he was being contacted.  While the rules don't specify what a step is but if not contacted the steps don't happen.   

 
culdeus said:
Another point was his feet was moving because he was being contacted.  While the rules don't specify what a step is but if not contacted the steps don't happen.   
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Right but I’m just taking it to the extreme - what if instead of pushing him away from their end zone he pushed him towards it - how long does it have to be to be a completion?  And I don’t think it would have been a bad call if it was incomplete on the field - I just think it shouldn’t have been overturned.

 
AAABatteries said:
Right but I’m just taking it to the extreme - what if instead of pushing him away from their end zone he pushed him towards it - how long does it have to be to be a completion?  And I don’t think it would have been a bad call if it was incomplete on the field - I just think it shouldn’t have been overturned.
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It wasn't overturned.  People need to stop saying this #### and understand the rules. 

 
I'm just surprised that the refs didn't rule it as a catch, but down by forward progress, and a 15 yard penalty just because.

 
AAABatteries said:
The ruling on the field wasn’t overturned?
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no

read the rules

Continuation is assumed in a play like this, so the "ruling on the field" is not a ruling.  It's a formality.  If they ruled it an incomplete pass the play would have been blown dead and the recovering team would have no opportunity to return the ball.  To avoid this they train the refs to let the play go, rule it a fumble then go to the booth.  

 
culdeus said:
no

read the rules

Continuation is assumed in a play like this, so the "ruling on the field" is not a ruling.  It's a formality.  If they ruled it an incomplete pass the play would have been blown dead and the recovering team would have no opportunity to return the ball.  To avoid this they train the refs to let the play go, rule it a fumble then go to the booth.  
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No, it’s a ruling and they overturned it.  You even say in the last sentence they ruled it a fumble.  So the ruling on the field was overturned- I don’t give a #### whether it’s a formality or why they do it, it was still a ruling that was overturned.

 
AAABatteries said:
No, it’s a ruling and they overturned it.  You even say in the last sentence they ruled it a fumble.  So the ruling on the field was overturned- I don’t give a #### whether it’s a formality or why they do it, it was still a ruling that was overturned.
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This is semantics.  

They will ALWAYS rule a play like this a fumble.  Therefore it's not a ruling, the fact that they use the word "overturned" in this context is stupid and they shouldn't use it so it triggers low information viewers.  This is described in the rule book and is how the referees are trained to call these types of plays.  

It's better to accept that some plays just have to be called after video review, and this is the superior way to do it as it doesn't deny the right of a team to return what should have been a ball blown dead.

 
culdeus said:
This is semantics.  

They will ALWAYS rule a play like this a fumble.  Therefore it's not a ruling, the fact that they use the word "overturned" in this context is stupid and they shouldn't use it so it triggers low information viewers.  This is described in the rule book and is how the referees are trained to call these types of plays.  

It's better to accept that some plays just have to be called after video review, and this is the superior way to do it as it doesn't deny the right of a team to return what should have been a ball blown dead.
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I really have no clue what you are arguing then - all I said was they overturned the ruling on the field and I don’t think they should have.  I agree they should rule things on the field that way, never said they shouldn’t - I’m just saying watching the replay I think it should have stood as called (although not confirmed).

 
AAABatteries said:
I really have no clue what you are arguing then - all I said was they overturned the ruling on the field and I don’t think they should have.  I agree they should rule things on the field that way, never said they shouldn’t - I’m just saying watching the replay I think it should have stood as called (although not confirmed).
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They should say

"Based on continuation rules Ohio State recovered the ball and scored a touchdown.  On video review the ball was not in control of the receiver and the play resulted in an incomplete pass, it is now 2nd down please reset the game clock to X:XX"

They should not use the word "Overturned" when indicating this has happened to the audience, and should look to address this in the offseason as it is not an accurate reflection of what actually happened in any context whatsoever.

 
Two questions:

1. Has Buck-I-Guy stopped crying yet?

2. How many Bucknut fans are sticking my voodoo doll with pins in their thread?

 
I’m glad Clemson won, but Joe Burrow against the team he transferred from cuz he couldn’t win the starting job would’ve been a cool story line 

 
It is time to remember how valuable the 1 seed was this year.  OU was a defacto bye and Clemson and OSU would have gone thru as the 1 seed.  

 
culdeus said:
It is time to remember how valuable the 1 seed was this year.  OU was a defacto bye and Clemson and OSU would have gone thru as the 1 seed.  
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Really? Why? 
 

I really hope A&M becomes relevant against at some point so you can come up with some better content. Half of your posts are about the Big 12

 
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Moe. said:
Really? Why? 
 

I really hope A&M becomes relevant against at some point so you can come up with some better content 
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He’s a 100% correct. If OSU kept the 1 seed they’d be playing in 2 weeks. Any of those 3 teams would have creamed Oklahoma. 

 
Capella said:
He’s a 100% correct. If OSU kept the 1 seed they’d be playing in 2 weeks. Any of those 3 teams would have creamed Oklahoma. 
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Well of course he is, but why exactly is it “time to remember” that right now? It’s a complete non-sequitor so he can get a troll post in. 

 
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Moe. said:
Really? Why? 
 

I really hope A&M becomes relevant against at some point so you can come up with some better content. Half of your posts are about the Big 12
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Still waiting for the big 12 to have a better win this year than Mississippi State.  

 
Man I can’t even tell you how much I don’t care about that stuff. This Big 12 isn’t great and only has 10 teams. That does not bother me in the slightest. We’re due for another round of realignment and then we’ll see. OU is gonna be fine no matter what 

 
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culdeus said:
It wasn't overturned.  People need to stop saying this #### and understand the rules. 
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Yeah, I'll defer to the guy whose job it is to know the rules.

Blandino

"Officials rule fumble, touchdown for Ohio State. It goesd to review and is overturned to an incomplete pass."

"There's just not enough to change it from catch-fumble to incomplete."

But he's probably just another low information viewer.

 
Tecumseh said:
Yeah, I'll defer to the guy whose job it is to know the rules.

Blandino

"Officials rule fumble, touchdown for Ohio State. It goesd to review and is overturned to an incomplete pass."

"There's just not enough to change it from catch-fumble to incomplete."

But he's probably just another low information viewer.
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I'm going to agree with @culdeus here and say the terminology used is wrong.  There is a difference between letting a play continue and making an official ruling in this situation.  The refs are told to let it continue versus blowing an inadvertent whistle. 

tOSU fans would be pissed if the whistle was blown, there was a review and they were awarded the ball at the spot of the recovery instead of the TD.  Which is what would have happened if there was a whistle.  Completely depending on how their offensive drive would have turned out in hindsight.

My issue is that I think it was a catch and the review got it wrong.  :shrug:  

 
As soon as the beanbag is thrown, that is a "ruling" that the play is being called a fumble. The rationale of letting the play go rather than blowing the whistle is irrelevant. It was ruled a fumble on the field as soon as the beanbag came out, and was overturned on review.

 
So Matt Rhule had a team meeting yesterday. 

“He said, if he has an opportunity to talk with an NFL team, it would be kinda dumb not to,” sophomore linebacker Terrel Bernard said

 
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