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2020 College football thread - It's the offseason, yo. (2 Viewers)
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Thought experiment:
All of Alabama's starting 22 goes down at once. Going into the semifinal game versus Notre Dame, all of Bama's offense and defense will be second-stringers. We'll let them keep their kicker, punter, and long snapper -- but their returners, too, have to be second string. Saban and staff have a full week to prepare.
Does the Crimson Tide second string beat Notre Dame's starters? Is it close? Could ND's starters boat-race Bama's second string?
All of Alabama's starting 22 goes down at once. Going into the semifinal game versus Notre Dame, all of Bama's offense and defense will be second-stringers. We'll let them keep their kicker, punter, and long snapper -- but their returners, too, have to be second string. Saban and staff have a full week to prepare.
Does the Crimson Tide second string beat Notre Dame's starters? Is it close? Could ND's starters boat-race Bama's second string?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I think the game is probably close and the winner would depend on who is Bama's backup QB and how good are they?
I'd probably make ND a 2 pt. favorite without knowing the answer about the QB situation.
ETA - I'm sure Bama has some 4-5 star recruit at QB so maybe I just need to assume they will be mildly competent. Bama by 3.
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gump
Footballguy
ND would win easily IMO. Losing 1 key player can impact, especially at on field leadership positions like LB, S and OL.
Aloof
Footballguy
JShare87
Footballguy
I agree with this. Bama is far better than ND, but we saw the difference in the Clemson games without Trev. ND would win easily if all 22 were out.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Bama just lost their starting center. Are they down to their 3rd center in your scenario.
I think Bama wins a close one. Big help to Bama is all of the practice between now and Bowl.
If Bama found out night before game that all starters were ineligible and Saban was scrambling, I think ND wins by 7 to 10 points.
ETA - One of the dangers for Bama and Clemson in the semis is looking ahead. That would be totally out the window in this scenario and Saban would use every Us Against The World speech in his back pocket to survive and advance.
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Doug B
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Oooh ... that's a big one. If the #2 guy has ONLY played against Florida in the conference title game, I guess he can stay in. Doesn't change the experiment a ton.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
The thing that still perplexes me about that game was from my recollection the backup QB actually played really well. If the Clemson D showed up at all they would have won that game.
Having said that, I still think Bama can win if their backup played as well as the Clemson backup did that day. The 2-deep is as good or better than Notre Dame's, IMO.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Another thought experiment I've often run mentally is "What's the worst Power 5 team that Nick Saban (or Dabo Swinney now) could elevate to a national-title contender?" EDIT: I've always assumed that if Saban had stayed in Baton Rouge and were now in his twenty-first year with LSU, they'd have a few more titles.
Would it have to be a "sleeping" traditional power like Michigan or Texas? Could you get down to the "used to be" teams like UCLA, Miami-FL, and Nebraska? I'm assuming your Kentuckys and Vanderbilts and Indianas are right out ... but maybe get those squads to back-to-back 10-win regular seasons?
Is a top-three coach enough, or do they need an entire program of a certain caliber as well?
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Steve Tasker
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Are you talking about right now, or when Saban and Swinney were newer less-established coaches? If Sabo or Swinney were to pack up tomorrow and go to Kentucky, or Vandy, or Indiana, I have zero doubts that those schools would in the national title conversation within a matter of years. The clout and recruiting cache that they were carry would result in immediate recruiting success; by the time they have a team full of "their guys", they're perennially highly-ranked. At the same time though, you could count on one hand the number of coaches who have this level of gravitas (it literally might just be these two plus like Urban Meyer).
It's not quite apples-to-apples, but this is part of the reason why I'm curious about Rick Pitino at Iona basketball this year. Big-name, proven coach, with a history of success (and baggage) at a tiny MAAC school. They've had some uneven results this year so far but have already landed two of the best incoming recruits in school history (per 247). Will be interesting to see if it's just a pit-stop on the way back to a big-name school, or if he's persona non grata and this is his best option for the next few years.
JaxBill
Footballguy
@AllAubarn: Billy Napier makes $880,000 at Louisiana. He likely turned down a $5million+ deal. If that doesn’t tell you about the disfunction from above, I don’t know what will...
Aloof
Footballguy
Either Napier was told he wasn't going to report directly to the AD, or he wouldn't have full control over which assistants would be on his staff.
Either way, good for him for telling Harbert & Rane to eat ####.
Doug B
Footballguy
I'd say Saban and Swinney now, as opposed to earlier in their careers.
Kentucky and Indiana ... I don't really see why not if Saban/Swinney truly can just hoover recruits away from the big boys on name alone. Vanderbilt might be harder because I have the impression that their administration fights the athletic department a bit (e.g. super-strict regarding eligibility, classes, grades, etc.).
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Depends.
If money is not how you determine success or if you don’t feel like you need every last dollar, perhaps you pass.
If that multi-million dollar deal comes with strings attached - such as no control over assistants - maybe you decide the money just isn’t worth it.
Besides, it will always be a coaches market. He’s probably betting that there’s a school that will give him that cash without the strings. And he’d be right.
Doug B
Footballguy
Betting on himself, for sure ... but Napier will have other offers in the same range.
If Alec Baldwin's Blake character from Glengarry Glen Ross were LSU's AD ... he'd let Ed Orgeron and staff go right now and hire Napier. In real life, the timing's not right ... Napier's not going to stay put until 2022.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
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Capella
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Maybe! He could also go 3-9 next year and the best offer is from an American conference school.
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
defensive tackle Tyler Davis, defensive end Justin Foster, linebacker Jamie Skalski and linebacker Mike Jones all missed the game as well.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
SpurrierisisGod
Footballguy
One scenario i heard today (definitely not in the loop) is that Kevin steele would have to stay on. If so, auburn admin is epically stupid.
WDIK2
Footballguy
Seeing reports of a ~$5.2 million buyout. Any FCS schools looking for a coach or DC? Mark Stoops looking for an analyst at Kentucky?
Jayded
Footballguy
On the same day ND has Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah win the Butkus, their recent signee (Collie) also wins the high schools Butkus. Gotta think that’s pretty unusual in the same season.
That’s 3 Butkus winners in the last 9 years too. Between OL and TE in the NFL lately, we probably haven’t appreciated the forward step our LBs have made.
Butkus presents the award: https://twitter.com/ndfootball/status/1341114966817030150?s=21
That’s 3 Butkus winners in the last 9 years too. Between OL and TE in the NFL lately, we probably haven’t appreciated the forward step our LBs have made.
Butkus presents the award: https://twitter.com/ndfootball/status/1341114966817030150?s=21
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Yet, Notre Dame still got past Clemson's 30 on its first three drives. They averaged a point a drive. ND had some atrocious, timid play calling that really changed the game.
RUSF18
Footballguy
If Bert Bielema can get $4.2mm x 6 without a conceivable market, I'm sure Napier et al can get similar money to what Auburn is offering with much more realistic expectations behind it.
gump
Footballguy
heckmanm
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
gump
Footballguy
Like many searches, a previous name on the ADs ‘not offering’ list who is better than most if not all names on it has re-appeared:
Auburn reached out Tuesday to Liberty coach Hugh Freeze about its head coaching job, a source familiar with the discussion tells 247Sports. It's not yet clear if an interview has been scheduled between Freeze and Auburn's eight-person search committee.
Auburn reached out Tuesday to Liberty coach Hugh Freeze about its head coaching job, a source familiar with the discussion tells 247Sports. It's not yet clear if an interview has been scheduled between Freeze and Auburn's eight-person search committee.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Always seemed like Hugh Freeze was THE target all along for Auburn. 
And then Art Briles goes to Liberty because of course.
And then Art Briles goes to Liberty because of course.
General Malaise
Footballguy
facook
Footballguy
I have an very difficult time imagining it being anything better than mediocre...unless he hires world class SEC recruiters. He can coach, not sure he can get the boys he needs in those parts.
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