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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (1 Viewer)
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Says the guy who thinks $2.3 Mil is super important to the cap but $40 Mil is meaningless.
If you guys want to go ahead and pretend that you make any sense at all, knock yourselves out. The ad hominems are a nice touch.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Darby looks pretty good to me in those clips, and PFF said he was the Bills 4th-best player this week I think.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
The ignore feature is a beautiful thing. Figured out where it's located. Problem fixed.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I worry about the Dolphins front four- This I believe is Miami's home opener. Landry lining up all over the place and in the slot, Going to need our DB's to do a better job on him than on Edelman. I hope because Tannehill isn't following the Brady script and shotgun throwing quick routes. We will be able to form a pass rush if thats not the case. Hoping he hasn't seen any of the blitzes we plan on sending because last week rushing 4-5 wasn't getting it done and Dareus and Kyle got no idea pressure on most occasions.
Anyone know if Miami is going to be without Albert? I assume Wake is playing.
Anyone know if Miami is going to be without Albert? I assume Wake is playing.
I don't think Tannehill will be getting rid of the ball nearly as quickly as Brady did.
Should be a good game, but Wake and Albert are both banged up and the Dolphins defense hasn't been able to stop anybody yet.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I don't either but you'd think these teams would just tell their QB's to stand there and throw the ball after 2 seconds. Obviously not everyone can process the field like the greats but still. They only gave up 17 and 23 to the Redskins/Jags - granted I haven't seen them play yet this year, hopefully Roman can get Sammy off Grimes for alittle move him around.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I prefer to think of this as "They gave up 23 to the Jags!"
Yes, I know the Jags have expertly-coached o-line, but still. They're the Jags.
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Jacksonville was able to get a lot of pressure on Tannehill last week. Bills should be able to make things very tough on him, particularly if Albert is not able to go (he didn't practice today).
I guess the Dolphins defense did a bit better than I suggested. They were poor in the first half but toughened up in the second half. Still, Wake only played 15 snaps.
Lamar Miller, Reshad Jones, and Jordan Cameron also dealing with injuries.
I guess the Dolphins defense did a bit better than I suggested. They were poor in the first half but toughened up in the second half. Still, Wake only played 15 snaps.
Lamar Miller, Reshad Jones, and Jordan Cameron also dealing with injuries.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Hopefully they calm Tyrod down and have him not jump up into his own lineman and rolling around into pressure.
Well here's to having this outcome being our home opener vs them last year and not that Thursday night game.
Well here's to having this outcome being our home opener vs them last year and not that Thursday night game.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Anyone else in here worried that Buffalo's defense might not be as good as advertised?
The silver lining, however, is that I think the offense can be much more potent than expected and can keep the team in games that become a shootout. Taylor has looked very dangerous at times - through the air and on the ground. And McCoy doesn't appear to have lost any quickness thus far.
The silver lining, however, is that I think the offense can be much more potent than expected and can keep the team in games that become a shootout. Taylor has looked very dangerous at times - through the air and on the ground. And McCoy doesn't appear to have lost any quickness thus far.
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I have a lot of faith in this defense. Their flaw in week two was a pretty bad game plan but they were torched by a HOF QB having one of the best games of his life.
Where's the weakness in this D? I think they will show up in Miami and all year.
Where's the weakness in this D? I think they will show up in Miami and all year.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I agree. It was evident that they needed to play press coverage and they never really adjusted. Brady just made quick throw after quick throw all day. The stats backed it up as Brady did about 25% better against their off coverage than their press coverage last week. Not every QB can read a defense so perfectly and make all of those quick throws accurately. Not even Brady can do it that well most of the time. He just had an amazing game.
On a per attempt basis, the Bills are actually ranked 10th against the pass. It's just that due to game situation/game plan, the first two teams totalled 108 passes against them in 2 weeks. That's ridiculous.
They're also 10th in QB rating against, 9th in completion percentage against and 11th in 1st down percentage.
Against the run they're only giving up 3.8 yards per carry and are 2nd in the league in yards per game.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Agreed. Last week was an anomaly. Bad coaching on one side versus great QB play on the other.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
It looks like the Bills beat the Colts because the Colts are very bad, rather than the Bills being very good. But I think it's reasonable to expect that a team with a new QB and new coaches doesn't hit their stride until the middle of the season. Hopefully they're good enough to beat the bad and middling teams until then.
A win today would be huge.
A win today would be huge.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I agree that the Colts aren't that good, but in a game where: the Bills continually shot themselves in the foot with stupid penalties, played against one of the best QBs in NFL history playing one of his best games ever, against the defending Super Bowl champions, they had the ball with the potential to tie it up late in the game before eventually losing by 1 score.I mean, that was a terrible game on many fronts for the Bills with a ton of self-inflicted wounds against the best team in the league playing at their top level and the Bills lost by just 8 points.
I think they'll be fine.
ETA: But I agree they need to win today. 1-2 with two division losses is much different than 2-1 with a 1-1 division record. Bills need to establish themselves as the #2 team in the AFC East.
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flysack
Footballguy
In coming years, they'll measure our QB's development as the guy with that funny 1980s shirt week one, to the dude who should be strutting on the cover of GQ.
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OC Zed
Footballguy
The secondary has been exposed in the short and long passing games against both New England and Pittsburgh (preseason, but against the starters). And the front four hasn't been able to generate sufficient pressure on their own without blitzing.
Would most teams have these issues against New England, Indianapolis and Pittsburgh? Yes, but the Bills defense is supposed to be elite and I haven't really seen anything elite - yet.
OC Zed
Footballguy
I don't think they pressed against New England because they knew those receivers could still beat them off the line which would have exposed them to bigger gains down field.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I said this about Trent Edwards so take it with a grain of salt, but I think we have our quarterback.
disagree
Patriots game was a clear outlier against an elite QB. They will be fine.
can't really count the preseason when the defense isn't game planning for the opponent or even trying to win.
who has been exposed? Gilmore, Darby, and Robey all have looked pretty good to me. Graham is pretty solid at safety.
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Also, I am happy to say that I was completely wrong about Darby in the preseason. That Guy has been a beast after three weeks.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Biggest concern is all the injuries. Sounds like Watkins may miss some time. Also sounds like they should maybe shutdown McCoy for a game or two.
What's awesome is that Harvin has been a stud and Karlos Williams has been a total beast. Karlos the first rookie RB to have a TD in his first 3 games since Robert Edwards in 1998.
What's awesome is that Harvin has been a stud and Karlos Williams has been a total beast. Karlos the first rookie RB to have a TD in his first 3 games since Robert Edwards in 1998.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And I love that the Bills came back and had Tyrod throwing the ball deep today. He came out slinging the ball and taking shots downfield much more and made the Dolphins pay for trying to stack the box.
Pretty amazing just how mediocre Suh has been. Dolphins paid him all that money and Dareus looks like the better value so far.
Pretty amazing just how mediocre Suh has been. Dolphins paid him all that money and Dareus looks like the better value so far.
flysack
Footballguy
I did too, but then again Trent Edwards never danced like a butterfly and stung like a bee.
T-Mobile does.
ETA: the NE game really convinced me he's legit. Belechick totally got to him for the middle two quarters. But he didn't fold. He adjusted, gutted it out, then went off in the fourth quarter. He's got moxie.
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flysack
Footballguy
I was coming here to post this.
I think McCoy is the case of a classic nagging hamstring injury that will leave him 80% until he just sits and rests a couple weeks. But -
1. He's McCoy, so 80% of him is like 100% of most players.
2. He's pressing himself because of both the contract and, I like to believe, a genuine like of his teammates and new team. Watching him on the sidelines doesn't show a brooding or isolated guy. He's animated, eager, and always sits with Watkins and T-Mobile and other offensive guys. Always talking. I like that about him a lot.
But it seems clear that Karlos Williams could start for many NFL teams right now. I wish Rex would lay the law down and make Shady rest a week or two. We can't have this version of him during the playoff push late in the season, when we'll really need a 100% Shady.
Just think about that. A 100% Shady dancing around making people miss for big gains. Then just as the defense is getting tired of him, along comes this behemoth from FSU to hammer up the middle with incredible speed himself. The cliche is terrible but true: lightening and thunder, thunder and lightening, with two A-class talents. All of this with T-Mobile in the back threatening deep with two of the fastest WRs in the game: Harvin and Watkins.
The sick thing is they're not there yet. They've shown flashes of it all, but never all of it together. And they're still scoring 35 something points a game.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Bills >>>> jets, fish.
massraider
Footballguy
BIll may be>>everyone in AFC that's not a dirty little cheater (
I keed, I keed, I make joke for you).I think everyone had the same thoughts about the Bills before the year: Tough division/too bad they don't have a QB.
Three weeks in, and Jets and Fins don't look much improved, and the Bills may have a QB.
They don't need nice QB numbers to be in every game, or win 8-10 games, but they HAVE been getting nice QB productions. Which should be pretty scary to the rest of the league. They have good/interesting players all over the offense, more than enough defense for Rex to work with, and as it gets colder, it'll only help that team.
I have my doubts about Rex as a long term coach, but I have no doubt his act will play for a few years.
Pretty exciting team right now.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
I like that the takeaways in these two games have happened as a result of dominating. As opposed to some lucky bounces leading to the W. Which I think was happening to the Jets and similarly with Fitz/Gailey here in 2011. Good sign that winning may actually be sustainable. Something to keep in mind when [insert clown analyst] inevitably mentions we're +6 in the wins.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
What I think is maybe most interesting of all, other than Tyrod's strong play, is that they blew out two of the supposed AFC contenders while getting virtually nothing from their two best offensive skill position players (McCoy and Watkins) in either game. There is enough talent in this offense to not only carry the load, but demolish teams even if McCoy and Watkins are hurt.
My worry at this point is that we're starting to get into the territory where teams are going to be able to gameplan against Tyrod. They usually say 3-4 games is the amount of film that defensive coaches need to breakdown a QB - and here we are. Let's see how the offense adjusts, because you know defenses are going to.
My worry at this point is that we're starting to get into the territory where teams are going to be able to gameplan against Tyrod. They usually say 3-4 games is the amount of film that defensive coaches need to breakdown a QB - and here we are. Let's see how the offense adjusts, because you know defenses are going to.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is pretty much the first time since the Ted Marchibroda era when I've felt like we have a really good offensive coordinator. I get that it's easy for the OC to look good when the QB is playing well, but I like how the offense has been mixing it up and using players effectively. When my biggest quibble is with a third down run up the middle when the team is up eight touchdowns or whatever it was, you know things are going well.
For the time being, I feel good about the ability of our staff to out-coach and out-gameplan other teams.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Agreed. Roman has done an excellent job mixing things up, keeping defenses off balance and playing to his players' strengths. Just a really nicely designed offense so far.
Niner fans killed this guy and blamed him for everything and Harbaugh let him take the blame. Seeing the Bills success and the Niners disaster seems pretty revealing to me.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Roman gets some looks for HC next year if this keeps up.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I agree with you that the Bills could actually get better as the season goes along, although that probably won't show up on the scoreboard. All of our wins aren't going to cakewalks like they were against the Colts and Dolphins.
I've been waiting for New England to come back to earth since the mid-2000s.
flysack
Footballguy
Their defense is middling this year, and Tom Brady is playing at level even surprising for Tom Brady. He's going to come back to earth a bit.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I also definitely expect them to show some noticeable improvement as the season goes on. My concern, however, is injuries. A couple injuries at OL, DB, or even LB could really derail the season.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
The thing that scared me about the Patriots game was that the Bills got very little pressure on Brady. On paper the Bills D-Line should've crushed the Pats O-Line. And at the same time, their defense seemed to be getting great penetration.
It might have been a different story in the second half. My stream of the game cut out, and I was so disgusted that I didn't look for another one. But the Bills definitely lost badly in the trenches during the first half of the New England game.
The Bills took some heat for quite a few moves they made this offseason. Jury still out on LeSean McCoy, but I have to think people are pretty happy with these:
G Richie Incognito - graded as #1 guard overall in the league by PFF through week 3.
CB Ronald Darby - playing great despite a rough preseason
RB Karlos Williams - leading the league in yards per carry?
QB Tyrod Taylor - looks like the best QB they've had in a long time\
WR Percy Harvin - coming up huge while Watkins is off to a slow stat
LB situation - traded Alonso, but sure doesn't seem like they miss him
DE Jerry Hughes - huge that they were able to keep him in free agency.
TE Charles Clay - wasn't cheap, but he showed what he's capable of on that opening drive against the Dolphins. best TE they've had in forever.
G Richie Incognito - graded as #1 guard overall in the league by PFF through week 3.
CB Ronald Darby - playing great despite a rough preseason
RB Karlos Williams - leading the league in yards per carry?
QB Tyrod Taylor - looks like the best QB they've had in a long time\
WR Percy Harvin - coming up huge while Watkins is off to a slow stat
LB situation - traded Alonso, but sure doesn't seem like they miss him
DE Jerry Hughes - huge that they were able to keep him in free agency.
TE Charles Clay - wasn't cheap, but he showed what he's capable of on that opening drive against the Dolphins. best TE they've had in forever.
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Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
Not getting there in the 1.8 seconds he holds the ball ≠ losing badly in the trenches.ScottNorwood said:
Now why it's impossible to hold up in coverage for that little time vs their dink&dunk offense I have no idea. NE is by far and away the biggest outlier in NFL history in that regard as far as I can tell.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
The jury's out on most honestly. Clay seemed like a big all-in gamble w/out a proven qb but obviously Tmobile actually being good could erase that concern and then some. Happy to apparently be wrong about the FSU kids & Incognito; Darby is already playing better than McKelvin ever did. I liked the Harvin signing a lot.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
How about on the D side of the ball?
Given their moves, Bills were one of the consensus top fantasy Ds coming into the year (along with SEA, HOU, STL, and NYJ). Fantasy D performance is fluid both YoY and WoW and playing the game for real is much different than playing on paper or in preseason (for proof see HOU). But nothing so far this year has made me think the Bills can't easily be Top 5. Bills have held opponents to 14 points, except for NE (which you would know is a hard test for any D).
Yet rankings I've seen -- on this site and elsewhere -- seem to discount the Bills in the Top 10 or just below, among Ds like GB, CIN, CAR, DEN (though that one is justified).
What do you guys see as the outlook for the BUF D going forward, both fantasy and NFL-wise? Are they living up to your expectations? Do you think they will continue to improve like the O over the course of the season?
Given their moves, Bills were one of the consensus top fantasy Ds coming into the year (along with SEA, HOU, STL, and NYJ). Fantasy D performance is fluid both YoY and WoW and playing the game for real is much different than playing on paper or in preseason (for proof see HOU). But nothing so far this year has made me think the Bills can't easily be Top 5. Bills have held opponents to 14 points, except for NE (which you would know is a hard test for any D).
Yet rankings I've seen -- on this site and elsewhere -- seem to discount the Bills in the Top 10 or just below, among Ds like GB, CIN, CAR, DEN (though that one is justified).
What do you guys see as the outlook for the BUF D going forward, both fantasy and NFL-wise? Are they living up to your expectations? Do you think they will continue to improve like the O over the course of the season?
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
Not just fantasy but real D is more fluid than most think which was why I wasn't super optimistic about the season in general...we were banking on zero drop-off from last yr which I thought was dangerous to do...There's a lot of luck in injuries, redzone TD %, and takeaways. But as long as they're realtively healthy it has to be projected as a top 5 D; I have no idea why that wouldn't be a consensus.
Bills should be a top 3 fantasy defense at worst this year.
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