2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (5 Viewers)

[Grigs Allmoon]

Honestly, this photo is enough to make me happy that the Bills moved to Orton. The swag is off the charts.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/10/6/6920165/kyle-orton-bills-win-victory-cigar

Love it!

I was pretty thrilled to see him so stoked immediately after the FG. He had seemed a bit apathetic leading up to the game. I was worried about his level of 'fire.' As long as he's still got that, I think he's going to only improve on what we've seen in game 1 of the Orton era.

 

[dhockster]

Bad news for Bills fans this week - the Patriots game will be televised on Fox. Ugghhh... they have the worst broadcasts.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-news/2014/10/8/6946143/bills-vs-patriots-2014-nfl-week-6-game-time-tv-schedule-announcers

I actually like Darryl Johnston. You can have Tony Siragusa. He is not half as funny as he thinks he is. Albert's okay.

 

[OC Zed]

Bad news for Bills fans this week - the Patriots game will be televised on Fox. Ugghhh... they have the worst broadcasts.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-news/2014/10/8/6946143/bills-vs-patriots-2014-nfl-week-6-game-time-tv-schedule-announcers

I actually like Darryl Johnston. You can have Tony Siragusa. He is not half as funny as he thinks he is. Albert's okay.

The whole production is hokey and over-the-top. The goofy robots are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Gottabesweet]

I'm hoping the stadium isn't 3

1/4 pats fans like normal could you imagine them using a laser pointer on us.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Good non-Bills-related news for any other local guys with UB ties....we get the 4 PM CBS game, San Diego vs. Oakland....Bo vs Mack, first NFL showdown.

Getting pumped for this week's game....glad I have a ticket.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So the Bills have the 3rd richest owner in the NFL now. Take that Bob Kraft and Jerry Jones.

 

[OC Zed]

Great opening press conference for Pegula.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Great opening press conference for Pegula.

Love this guy already. Clearly loves the team, loves the city, has a good head on his shoulders and is pretty funny too.

 

[On The Rocks]

Doesn't look like Brandon is going anywhere soon.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Pegula did mention the Niagara region in today's speech the sentence after talking about designing a stadium. I hope he doesn't build out there.

Can't wait for Sunday WGR morning show did a good job pumping the game up by having Pats fans on

 

[OC Zed]

Doesn't look like Brandon is going anywhere soon.

I'm good with that. He's done a great job of regionalizing the franchise and keeping them economically viable.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Everything I have read has basically said that the Pegulas want the stadium to be downtown. They're heavily involved in a revitalization project downtown so that shouldn't be a surprise.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

 

[Super King]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

Yea. I don't really want to go to Niagara falls for a game. It really is a hole

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

I go there a few times per year. I'm assuming it would get developed. Seneca Niagara has always been good to me. Pretty much same distance from where I lived to there or Orchard Park, and OP has nothing but open space and parking lots. Falls has casinos, hotels, the falls, and a close proximity to Canada.

Not like the area around the the Sabres arena was all that great either.

 

[Super King]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

I go there a few times per year. I'm assuming it would get developed. Seneca Niagara has always been good to me. Pretty much same distance from where I lived to there or Orchard Park, and OP has nothing but open space and parking lots. Falls has casinos, hotels, the falls, and a close proximity to Canada.

Not like the area around the the Sabres arena was all that great either.

There is A LOT of construction going on downtown. This whole Buffalo revitalization thing is starting to go into full swing. And with Pegula at the helm, he knows a downtown stadium would be another feather in the city's cap. It's not like there isn't a plethora of parking garages going unused on Sundays. A downtown stadium is happening in the next 7-8 years

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

I go there a few times per year. I'm assuming it would get developed.Seneca Niagara has always been good to me. Pretty much same distance from where I lived to there or Orchard Park, and OP has nothing but open space and parking lots. Falls has casinos, hotels, the falls, and a close proximity to Canada.

Not like the area around the the Sabres arena was all that great either.

There is A LOT of construction going on downtown. This whole Buffalo revitalization thing is starting to go into full swing. And with Pegula at the helm, he knows a downtown stadium would be another feather in the city's cap. It's not like there isn't a plethora of parking garages going unused on Sundays. A downtown stadium is happening in the next 7-8 years

Right, but the Pegulas and Harbor Center were a big reason for that development.

Don't misunderstand me. I want a downtown stadium...always have, always will.

But, I'd take something in the Falls over rebuilding in Orchard Park if it makes sense. Getting in and out of OP on game days can be a nightmare, and it would shorten the commute for people in Ontario so they could draw better from the Toronto market to increase revenue. Better option than some other ideas that have been mentioned like West Seneca and Batavia.

Stupid Erie County can't even agree on a new Peace Bridge. Tough to get anything done there.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

I go there a few times per year. I'm assuming it would get developed.Seneca Niagara has always been good to me. Pretty much same distance from where I lived to there or Orchard Park, and OP has nothing but open space and parking lots. Falls has casinos, hotels, the falls, and a close proximity to Canada.

Not like the area around the the Sabres arena was all that great either.

There is A LOT of construction going on downtown. This whole Buffalo revitalization thing is starting to go into full swing. And with Pegula at the helm, he knows a downtown stadium would be another feather in the city's cap. It's not like there isn't a plethora of parking garages going unused on Sundays. A downtown stadium is happening in the next 7-8 years

Right, but the Pegulas and Harbor Center were a big reason for that development.

Don't misunderstand me. I want a downtown stadium...always have, always will.

But, I'd take something in the Falls over rebuilding in Orchard Park if it makes sense. Getting in and out of OP on game days can be a nightmare, and it would shorten the commute for people in Ontario so they could draw better from the Toronto market to increase revenue.

Stupid Erie County can't even agree on a new Peace Bridge. Tough to get anything done there.

Certainly correct about that. Knowing Erie County we'll find a perfect place with a fantastic stadium plan and a little old lady will sue and win because it effects her view of the field with the pretty birds.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Can't wait for Sunday though. Place is gonna be rocking! Did I hear Pegula will be there?

We gotta get to Brady early and often. Really mess him up. Keep putting him on the ground and make him scared. I love watching him when he's scared.

And double cover Gronk. Shoot, even triple cover him. He's the only receiving threat I'm worried about.

 

[flysack]

Can't wait for Sunday though. Place is gonna be rocking! Did I hear Pegula will be there?

We gotta get to Brady early and often. Really mess him up. Keep putting him on the ground and make him scared. I love watching him when he's scared.

And double cover Gronk. Shoot, even triple cover him. He's the only receiving threat I'm worried about.

It's a shame Kiko is gone. He was our answer for Gronk.

 

[Ever Present Lurker]

I have a good feeling about tomorrow - the Bills have a lot of good juju right now, and I think they will come out flying. I think they'll force New England into mistakes, early and often, and the Bills will make the most of those opportunities and come away with the win. I'm awaiting my opportunity to shout!

 

[OC Zed]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

I go there a few times per year. I'm assuming it would get developed. Seneca Niagara has always been good to me. Pretty much same distance from where I lived to there or Orchard Park, and OP has nothing but open space and parking lots. Falls has casinos, hotels, the falls, and a close proximity to Canada.

Not like the area around the the Sabres arena was all that great either.

Areas being developed around stadiums - particularly football - have a pretty poor track record.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

I go there a few times per year. I'm assuming it would get developed. Seneca Niagara has always been good to me. Pretty much same distance from where I lived to there or Orchard Park, and OP has nothing but open space and parking lots. Falls has casinos, hotels, the falls, and a close proximity to Canada.

Not like the area around the the Sabres arena was all that great either.

Areas being developed around stadiums - particularly football - have a pretty poor track record.

How many of those stadiums are in/near one of the biggest tourist attractions in the world?

 

[Steve Tasker]

No offense, but we don't need a giant Peace Bridge toll plaza. As someone who lived a stone's throw from the PB for years and still holds the neighborhood near and dear to his heart, #### that ####. Sorry I know it's not Bills-related, but yeah, I said it.

Also, I do think a stadium in Niagara Falls is a terrible idea. I've always heard about GIllette being a nightmare because it's effectively one-road-in and one-road-out. Can you imagine the 190 across Grand Island and then the Robert Moses on a gameday? It'd be a ####show. One of the reasons traffic is so reasonable around the Ralph is that there are so many ways to get there....the 219, the 90, Milestrip, Abbott, (my personal favorite) Lake Ave, Southwestern, Big Tree, etc.

I really think that if the stadium should be anywhere, it's in the city. There's space in the ward or in the east side or on the waterfront. Put it in the outer harbor or something.

ETA - I'm drunk and can't wait for the game tomorrow. Chatted up a guy wearing a '94 Jim Kelly jersey at the bar tonight. He's pumped too. Lots of high fives.

 

[Gottabesweet]

One beer in, Go Bills. Be loud, be proud, be considerate or something like that.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Holy #### I was drunk last night.

I'm expecting lots of high fives today. #### the Pats.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm pretty surprised that both Aaron and Mike Williams are inactive today. The Aaron Williams injury hurts quite a bit IMO. Seems like Corey Graham may be starting at FS.

Mike Williams as a healthy scratch seems really odd. Seemed like they liked him a ton his preseason.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Holy #### I was drunk last night.

I'm expecting lots of high fives today. #### the Pats.

 

[OC Zed]

A stadium by the Falls might be kind of cool.

No. No it wouldn't. I know you don't live in Buffalo, but not sure when the last time you were in the Falls. The American side of the Falls is terrible. No offense to anyone reading this from the Falls.

I go there a few times per year. I'm assuming it would get developed.Seneca Niagara has always been good to me. Pretty much same distance from where I lived to there or Orchard Park, and OP has nothing but open space and parking lots. Falls has casinos, hotels, the falls, and a close proximity to Canada.

Not like the area around the the Sabres arena was all that great either.

Areas being developed around stadiums - particularly football - have a pretty poor track record.

How many of those stadiums are in/near one of the biggest tourist attractions in the world?

I don't know how that really matters. I don't think people going to games would be inclined to hang out there any more because the Falls are there.

ETA: And the basic traffic issues you have getting in and getting out that ST mentioned. That would be a big hindrance for the Rochester and Syracuse crowd which currently makes up about 35% of ticket sales.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Bills get 15 yard penalty for slapping own player on helmet: http://at.nfl.com/rEHecdg

Good thing they got rid of those replacement refs and brought back these awesome pro refs.

 

[OC Zed]

Bills get 15 yard penalty for slapping own player on helmet: http://at.nfl.com/rEHecdg

Good thing they got rid of those replacement refs and brought back these awesome pro refs.

I forgot about that gem.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Bills get 15 yard penalty for slapping own player on helmet: http://at.nfl.com/rEHecdg

Good thing they got rid of those replacement refs and brought back these awesome pro refs.

That was preposterous. But it also didn't cost us anything -- NE went on miss the FG.

Really, this is a good argument for why EVERYTHING should be reviewable. Which is Belicheck's position, even though he's a cheating ******* who only goes bra-less when he's looking for a little action.

 

[Lascelle]

So is that all she wrote for the Bills this season and this coaching staff?

Seems to me that finally getting the Patriots monkey off our backs by defeating them at home was needed to have any long-term faith in a playoff run this season.

Even a mediocre Pats team that sleepwalks their way through the season seems to rack up division titles with ease.

I suppose there may be some semblance of hope if we take out the awful Vikes and Jets (with their combined 3 wins) the next couple weeks but I can't help but think today was it.

Especially with New England rounding back into form before their 3-game home stand.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Bills get 15 yard penalty for slapping own player on helmet: http://at.nfl.com/rEHecdg

Good thing they got rid of those replacement refs and brought back these awesome pro refs.

That was preposterous. But it also didn't cost us anything -- NE went on miss the FG.

Really, this is a good argument for why EVERYTHING should be reviewable. Which is Belicheck's position, even though he's a cheating ******* who only goes bra-less when he's looking for a little action.

Well, it cost them time and field position.

And it was just one of several horrible calls. The terrible PI call on Duke Williams (the second one, not the legit first) lead to a TD. And the multiple joke calls on Woods probably cost the Bills at least a FG. And both non-calls against Patriot WRs for OPI on that last drive ended up in a NE TD.

And I don't want to hear about overcoming bad calls or those calls not being made in the past because those types of calls absolutely ARE made this year as evidenced by the garbage one made on Woods. When a TE blatantly knocks down the defender 20 yards downfield, that's an automatic OPI every single time,

Yes, the Bills were awful in a lot of ways, but they got jobbed too. It's very difficult to win in the NFL with that many key calls against you.

 

[OC Zed]

The officiating today was horrendous and maybe the outcome might have been different if some of those calls don't go against the Bills. But the bottom line is the Bills should not have needed those calls to win the game considering they were playing at home in front of a jacked up crowd against a team with a bad line and numerous injuries throughout their roster. And we shouldn't forget that their two of their three wins also came by very narrow margins against teams that were also significantly short-handed.

This team just doesn't look ready for prime time.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

So is that all she wrote for the Bills this season and this coaching staff?

Seems to me that finally getting the Patriots monkey off our backs by defeating them at home was needed to have any long-term faith in a playoff run this season.

Even a mediocre Pats team that sleepwalks their way through the season seems to rack up division titles with ease.

I suppose there may be some semblance of hope if we take out the awful Vikes and Jets (with their combined 3 wins) the next couple weeks but I can't help but think today was it.

Especially with New England rounding back into form before their 3-game home stand.

Pretty much. 1-1 in two division home games just doesn't cut it. Basically makes 3-3 a best case scenario.

I mean we'd like to think this team will be good enough to win @NE but it's hard to imagine that right now. The coaching staff appears way over their heads. You also have to beat the refs there; it's a lot to overcome.

@NYJ is far from a gimme. They've been a national punch line for about 3yrs but it hasn't stopped the Bills from losing there every time since the 6 int Sanchize game (which was nearly a tie).

 

[flapgreen]

Bills get 15 yard penalty for slapping own player on helmet: http://at.nfl.com/rEHecdg

Good thing they got rid of those replacement refs and brought back these awesome pro refs.

That was preposterous. But it also didn't cost us anything -- NE went on miss the FG.

Really, this is a good argument for why EVERYTHING should be reviewable. Which is Belicheck's position, even though he's a cheating ******* who only goes bra-less when he's looking for a little action.

Well, it cost them time and field position.And it was just one of several horrible calls. The terrible PI call on Duke Williams (the second one, not the legit first) lead to a TD. And the multiple joke calls on Woods probably cost the Bills at least a FG. And both non-calls against Patriot WRs for OPI on that last drive ended up in a NE TD.

And I don't want to hear about overcoming bad calls or those calls not being made in the past because those types of calls absolutely ARE made this year as evidenced by the garbage one made on Woods. When a TE blatantly knocks down the defender 20 yards downfield, that's an automatic OPI every single time,

Yes, the Bills were awful in a lot of ways, but they got jobbed too. It's very difficult to win in the NFL with that many key calls against you.

The team just isn't very good yet. It ain't the refs fault.

 

[Steve Tasker]

The refs weren't the ones giving up long 3rd downs and letting the Patriots score on virtually every possession in the 2nd half....

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Blaming the refs is a copout here. Not sure how anyone is writing this team off though.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Blaming the refs is a copout here. Not sure how anyone is writing this team off though.

I agree completely.

3-3 in a soft division. Very winnable games ahead against Minnesota, Jets x2, Miami, and KC. I think we learn some more about this team in the next few weeks. Honestly though, if they've got any real hope of the playoffs, I think they need to go at least 4-1 in that stretch. I think the Bills are very capable of winning all of those games, though. December looms large, though, and Cleveland at the end of November isn't a cakewalk.

But if you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best. The Bills' schedule doesn't look like a total killer right now. Win these division games, beat Oakland and Minnesota, and try to sneak another 1-2 wins (KC/GB/Cleveland) and you're 9-7 or 10-6.

I really think this team could finish 10-6. But they could just as easily finish 6-10.

 

[flysack]

Opinion poll - how would you feel about (X) if the Bills finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs -

X = The coaching staff

X = The coaching staff getting another year or two (Pegula keeps or fires)

X = Orton as a two year stopgap while they hunt for yet another QB

 

[GroveDiesel]

Blaming the refs is a copout here. Not sure how anyone is writing this team off though.

Bull. The Bills were terrible in a lot of ways yesterday, but to pretend that those calls didn't have a material impact on the game is silly.

I think it's perfectly true that the turnovers were the difference yesterday AND the lack of a running game was the difference yesterday AND Duke Williams's bad play was the difference AND the bad O-line play AND the refs.

I'll never understand the idea that criticizing bad offiating is somehow bad form. It's a part of the game and can have a large impact. To pretend that officiating should be above criticism is a line that the NFL loves fans to buy into because it means they don't have any reason to fix it.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I can't stand how Gronk will run 15 yards down the field, make contact with the DB and slightly push off. He does this constantly. Never called.

And I don't understand how we didn't get to Brady more. Only 2 sacks against that beat up O-line is not nearly enough. You have to get to Brady if you're gonna beat him. Only two sacks are unacceptable with the D-line we have.

And McKelvin has got to be demoted. He is getting beat far too often. Shoot. All of our DB's have been playing poorly (with the exception of Graham most games). I am not impressed with Gilmore at all this year. There was talk of him being the next up and coming shut down CB, and he is not playing like it at all.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

We've just lost to that team in every way imaginable in the last 14 years. Their no-name RB runs all over us, Brady carves us up, Brady gets ouplayed by EJ Manuel while Stevie J. drops a 3rd down pass with the ball & lead in Q4, followed by Amendola making incredible 4th down catch in traffic and proceeding to do nothing the rest of the year, our offense does nothing, we turn the ball over, McKelvin fumbles a kickoff return, JP Losman breaks a tie by taking a safety, getting badly outcoached, horrible calls, obscure calls never seen before or since like the fumble in 2001 not counting because their unconscious WR's helmet was touching the chalk while the ball was touching his leg...

Just realizing this morning that yesterday was a microcosm of all that. We hand them 13pts in the 1st half, and then they do whatever they want in the 2nd half.

Re: Coaching - I know it didn't decide the game but the end of the 1st half was an embarrassment. We stop 'em on 3rd down, correctly call time out, correctly don't field the punt, and then...what, we don't know what to do so burn the 2nd time out with the clock stopped? What are we doing? Marrone doesn't call plays or run the defense, so why isn't he prepared? He said we wanted to run for a 1st down. But then we would've had to burn the last time out because we just wasted the 2nd one. This to me is a joke for a HC who is the delegating type and doesn't need to concern himself with anything else.

Then NE gets it - and I'm pretty sure they false start on purpose so Brady can launch a fake punt pass deep to make our mental midgets think they're not going to throw a 7 yard out, which anyone with an IQ above single digits knew they were going to do all along. And it worked because we play checkers and they play chess.

I'M SO F***ING TIRED OF THIS ****. I know we'll never be lucky enough to fall into a HoF QB in round 6 but why can't we be smart?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Blaming the refs is a copout here. Not sure how anyone is writing this team off though.

Exactlly. We lost to a NE team that, while depleted, is still probably better than we are. Every team loses a few games like this every year. Nothing to get worked up over.

If we start dropping games to bottom-feeders like MIN or NYJ then it'll be time to write this team off. 3-3 isn't too bad at this point in our schedule.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'll never understand the idea that criticizing bad offiating is somehow bad form. It's a part of the game and can have a large impact. To pretend that officiating should be above criticism is a line that the NFL loves fans to buy into because it means they don't have any reason to fix it.

The refs make a lot of mistakes and it's not fun to watch them in a game you have no vested interest in, let alone one where those bad calls impact your team negatively. But, I don't think it really was the difference in the game yesterday. Brady shredded them. If every call was made exactly right, I'm still pretty sure the Patriots come out ahead.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

We've just lost to that team in every way imaginable in the last 14 years. Their no-name RB runs all over us, Brady carves us up, Brady gets ouplayed by EJ Manuel while Stevie J. drops a 3rd down pass with the ball & lead in Q4, followed by Amendola making incredible 4th down catch in traffic and proceeding to do nothing the rest of the year, our offense does nothing, we turn the ball over, McKelvin fumbles a kickoff return, JP Losman breaks a tie by taking a safety, getting badly outcoached, horrible calls, obscure calls never seen before or since like the fumble in 2001 not counting because their unconscious WR's helmet was touching the chalk while the ball was touching his leg...

To be fair, the Bills find new and creative ways to lose to lots of teams, not just New England.

 

[The Duff Man]

It looked to me like Brady added a couple steps to his drop in the second half, and because the pass rush was mostly up the middle he had all the time in the world.

I didnt see much pressure from the ends in the second half and there didnt seem to be a response from the Bills to the deeper drop.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Bottom line. Leave Brady untouched in the pocket and he'll find a way to carve you up every time. I'm just in shock at what happened to our defense yesterday.