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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (2 Viewers)
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Glenn is a very highly rated LT that doesn't get pub outside PFF I voted for him but most OL is all name popularity
flysack
Footballguy
I forgot I voted for Glenn too.
The line is name popularity? Really? You mean like the highly touted, ultra popular Erik Pears?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Actually, Dareus had been mostly tremendous this year. Much more consistent effort. PFF had him as one of their highest rated DTs.
I think Mario, Dareus, Kyle, Kiko and Easley all belong. Glenn maybe too. Wood still gets dominated by massive DTs too much IMO
flysack
Footballguy
Ooof. I forgot about Easley. Voted for him for ST too. He's been outstanding all year there.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
The next three games are against really really bad teams - and if the Bills get to 7-7 they are probably in the hunt for a playoff birth 
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Bills fans .... in dynasty .. should I grab Goodwin and let Vincent Brown go?
I don't know much about Goodwin, but saw in the games he has played is putting up nice numbers ... that because of SJohnson injury or is he a guy to grab?
Thanks.
I don't know much about Goodwin, but saw in the games he has played is putting up nice numbers ... that because of SJohnson injury or is he a guy to grab?
Thanks.
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Your not exactly holding our fans to very highest standard here. Great, our fans don't shank people for wearing the wrong jersey, and we don't set the stadium on fire like Jets fans.
Then again, I can think of lots of Bills games when I would have jumped from the upper decks too.
flysack
Footballguy
Considering the emergence Keenan Allen and the tremendous upside of Goodwin, I'd drop Brown for Goodwin in a dynasty, yes.
Goodwin has insane speed, but to my eye he's not just a track star. He's an unpolished rookie WR who happens to be an Olympian. The guy has #1 WR potential, though he might not see it for a couple years, depending on how he develops and the situation in front of him with Woods and Stevie Johnson. My guess is he opens camp next year ahead of T.J. Graham for the #3 spot. And since they want to play Stevie Johnson in the slot (he has great quickness but lacks blazing speed), Goodwin will open up the year as the Bills starting flanker and primary deep threat.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Heck our fans fall from the upper deck even when we win...
I probably shouldn't make light of this though. The idiot was lucky he didn't kill himself or someone else.
flysack
Footballguy
I've said this elsewhere, but I had a somewhat negative experience at the Panther's game this year.
I went with my wife and six year old son. It was his first game. He painted his face and everything.
Then this group of utterly hammered idiots sits RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
The first thing one says was how amazing it was that the one guy talked security into finally letting him. The guy was so hammered he almost didn't make it into the game.
He was dropping F-bombs and real nasty stuff all game. I said nothing. I knew if I did, it'd be a fight and I didn't want to teach my son that that's how you deal with adversity. When my son asked why that man is using all those bad words, I simply said "he doesn't know any better. Feel sorry for him."
After a quarter of this, people around us started telling him off. He was belligerent in reply, but never threatening enough to get security involved.
Fortunately it was a good game and he soon both sobered up and settled down. But it was bad for awhile.
Bills Stadium does offer family seating though. I didn't think I'd need it and went for the better view. Never again. Family seating it is. Even if that means I can't have my customary 2 beers.
I went with my wife and six year old son. It was his first game. He painted his face and everything.
Then this group of utterly hammered idiots sits RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
The first thing one says was how amazing it was that the one guy talked security into finally letting him. The guy was so hammered he almost didn't make it into the game.
He was dropping F-bombs and real nasty stuff all game. I said nothing. I knew if I did, it'd be a fight and I didn't want to teach my son that that's how you deal with adversity. When my son asked why that man is using all those bad words, I simply said "he doesn't know any better. Feel sorry for him."
After a quarter of this, people around us started telling him off. He was belligerent in reply, but never threatening enough to get security involved.
Fortunately it was a good game and he soon both sobered up and settled down. But it was bad for awhile.
Bills Stadium does offer family seating though. I didn't think I'd need it and went for the better view. Never again. Family seating it is. Even if that means I can't have my customary 2 beers.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Jon Bon Jovi can go piss off.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Mike Smith said that he is going to start throwing in young guys to "see what they have."
Buffalo has no excuse for not winning this game this week. Steelers and Raiders both losing were good and last week's games largely broke their way. Losses by the Jets and Chargers would be great this week as well.
Buffalo has no excuse for not winning this game this week. Steelers and Raiders both losing were good and last week's games largely broke their way. Losses by the Jets and Chargers would be great this week as well.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
That's too bad. I've been to probably 50 home regular season games over the past decade and never had an experience like that. Sounds like you got unlucky. I try to watch my language when there are little kids around but I know some people who don't and that's annoying.Worst situation I had is when a drunk behind us threw up and some of it got on my sister. It was a Saturday night game in December against Denver in like 2007 or so; the Bills lost. The guy spent most of the first passed out, woke up and puked, getting most of it in the snow behind our backs but some on my sister, and then passed out for the rest of the game. So gross, and such a waste of money.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
This Toronto stuff is complete bs. There shouldn't be this many cheers for the "away" team. I can't stand Toronto.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I can't really put into words how I feel about today's game. It's a very odd feeling. I'm not expletive-screaming throw-things-at-the-wall angry. I'm not sulk-for-the-next-three-days depressed. I don't even have the energy to complain about Stevie or Chandler or the defense.
I'm just tired. Defeated. Numb.
Over the years, I've gotten more depressed about the Bills - turning off games in the 3rd quarter if they're losing by a lot, openly bashing ownership and management, the players, whatever. But for the first time, I've come to the conclusion that, simply, it is no fun being a Bills fan. I've never felt like this before. I love the team and I can't stop. But I hate myself for it. Sundays just aren't fun anymore. Never before have I truly felt like I don't want to watch the Bills play anymore. Even at their lowest lows, when they were 0-8 with Chan Gailey, I still wanted to watch the next game.
Whenever the Bills lose, I've always taken solace that their successes will feel that much better because I know how bad it sucks to always lose. But I'm starting to think that's a hollow sentiment. Ownership whores out the team to Toronto for a cheap buck, and it's starting to become clearer to me that I no longer think the Bills will "win one before I die", as the popular shirts are saying. For years I've said that they'll move before they win a Super Bowl, but I've never really believed it.
I'm sure I'll be back next week. Someone on a different board likened the Bills fanbase to a wife with an abusive husband, and I think there's some merit to that.
Sigh.
I'm just tired. Defeated. Numb.
Over the years, I've gotten more depressed about the Bills - turning off games in the 3rd quarter if they're losing by a lot, openly bashing ownership and management, the players, whatever. But for the first time, I've come to the conclusion that, simply, it is no fun being a Bills fan. I've never felt like this before. I love the team and I can't stop. But I hate myself for it. Sundays just aren't fun anymore. Never before have I truly felt like I don't want to watch the Bills play anymore. Even at their lowest lows, when they were 0-8 with Chan Gailey, I still wanted to watch the next game.
Whenever the Bills lose, I've always taken solace that their successes will feel that much better because I know how bad it sucks to always lose. But I'm starting to think that's a hollow sentiment. Ownership whores out the team to Toronto for a cheap buck, and it's starting to become clearer to me that I no longer think the Bills will "win one before I die", as the popular shirts are saying. For years I've said that they'll move before they win a Super Bowl, but I've never really believed it.
I'm sure I'll be back next week. Someone on a different board likened the Bills fanbase to a wife with an abusive husband, and I think there's some merit to that.
Sigh.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I've had lots of bad experiences as a Bills fan (obviously), but the worst for me was having my son fall asleep during the Dallas MNF game, and waking him up so he could enjoy seeing the Bills pull off the huge upset. Only to have them honk the game away. I still love this team, but I've been emotionally hardened about them ever since then.
flysack
Footballguy
I think the same thing, Steve, then I at least take solace in the fact that we're not the only ones. Look at Detroit and Cleveland. It's the same story. Cleveland is even worse though. They boast arguably the greatest player to ever play professional football, but their owner doesn't just "whore the team out" to a different city - he packs it up and steals it away in the night -- AND THEN THEY WIN A SUPERBOWL in Baltimore.
I know this sounds really morbid, but my glimmer of hope at the bottom of the ####box is Ralph dying. It's the only way the grotesque anti-mojo of this team will be turned around. It's going to happen soon. Until this I feed myself on small things like "EJ is getting better" and "Kiko was the steal of the draft!" and things like this. But I know they're so many crackers in the middle of the desert. The only relief is leaving the desert, and that means Ralph finally dying (since he won't sell the team).
I know this sounds really morbid, but my glimmer of hope at the bottom of the ####box is Ralph dying. It's the only way the grotesque anti-mojo of this team will be turned around. It's going to happen soon. Until this I feed myself on small things like "EJ is getting better" and "Kiko was the steal of the draft!" and things like this. But I know they're so many crackers in the middle of the desert. The only relief is leaving the desert, and that means Ralph finally dying (since he won't sell the team).
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I wish it was August because then I'll take my EX Girlfriend back like I always do. That's what it feels like.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
It is the tantalizing hope that sucks.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I was pretty depressed after that game, but I was pissed more than anything. Six years later and it feels like the Bills are really no closer to relevance. It seems impossible to think that one team can have so many astounding losses yet still find new ways to lose horribly.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
We've all experienced a lot of #### in recent years....the Steelers game in 2004, Stevie's drop, McKelvin's fumble, the Cowboys MNF game, countless close losses, countless Fitz late game INTs.....but we all keep coming back. Why? What is it that is so ingrained in us that we keep coming back only to get gut-punched once again?
Honest question - when the Bills start to get into late-game situations, does anyone here genuinely feel like "the Bills are going to pull this one out"? When they were up 7 today and Atlanta had the ball with 3 minutes left, did any of us truly feel like the Bills were going to definitely win? It's that sense of dread, that sense of fear...that's what I hate. When I watch some of my other favorite non-NFL teams play - even when they're heavy underdogs - I always feel like they've got a chance. Can they make a ply here or there? Maybe catch the other team sleeping? But with the Bills, I'm always just waiting for them to screw it up. And they do, without fail. Over and over and over again, in spectacular fashion.
i think a serious bout of winning will fix that mindset...it cures everything, doesn't it? But the Bills haven't been a "winning" team since the 90s. They just don't look like a winner or feel like a winner...nothing about the Bills organization screams "winner". Hell, they're playing "home games" 2 hours away in front of 38,000 ambivalent "fans". But I do have hope for EJ....he IS a winner. And I hope he can make us all happy again...
Honest question - when the Bills start to get into late-game situations, does anyone here genuinely feel like "the Bills are going to pull this one out"? When they were up 7 today and Atlanta had the ball with 3 minutes left, did any of us truly feel like the Bills were going to definitely win? It's that sense of dread, that sense of fear...that's what I hate. When I watch some of my other favorite non-NFL teams play - even when they're heavy underdogs - I always feel like they've got a chance. Can they make a ply here or there? Maybe catch the other team sleeping? But with the Bills, I'm always just waiting for them to screw it up. And they do, without fail. Over and over and over again, in spectacular fashion.
i think a serious bout of winning will fix that mindset...it cures everything, doesn't it? But the Bills haven't been a "winning" team since the 90s. They just don't look like a winner or feel like a winner...nothing about the Bills organization screams "winner". Hell, they're playing "home games" 2 hours away in front of 38,000 ambivalent "fans". But I do have hope for EJ....he IS a winner. And I hope he can make us all happy again...
The Duff Man
Footballguy
At the opener, 2 min warning, Pats at midfield trailing by either 1 or 2.
Guy beside me in the 5th row says, "why do I do this to myself?", gets up and leaves!
Sure enough...Pats kick to win.
Pretty much sums up that feeling Steve is talkng about.
Guy beside me in the 5th row says, "why do I do this to myself?", gets up and leaves!
Sure enough...Pats kick to win.
Pretty much sums up that feeling Steve is talkng about.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Earlier this I had hope. Come back vs Carolina, beat Baltimore granted both at home always had reasons why he lost. We keep coming back because the NFL is a giant entity and we are one of the 32 cities to be included
flysack
Footballguy
I bumped my response to this twice in the Atlanta thread. With two minutes out and the Bills on defense and up by seven, I called it.
It's like that mock Alien scene in Spaceballs. Your stomach starts acting up and you say, "Oh no...not again," just before a tiny monster explodes out your chest cavity to put on a top hat and coat to sing while dancing on your corpse.
thaniz
Footballguy
I started following the NFL lightly last year. This year more intense. Still looking for a favourite team, but somehow I've gotten attached to the Buffalo Bills.
The aggressive defines (at times), Kiko, many young and promising players, never won the Super Bowl, so would be nice to be "on board" for the first...
But yesterday's game. Man oh man... Is this what it's going to be like, I may be in for a bumpy ride.
The aggressive defines (at times), Kiko, many young and promising players, never won the Super Bowl, so would be nice to be "on board" for the first...
But yesterday's game. Man oh man... Is this what it's going to be like, I may be in for a bumpy ride.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And here it is, part of the sickness:
A couple positives were that Spiller looks close to 100% for the first time all year and EJ made some nice downfield throws at the end of the game. You can tell that when Manuel stops thinking and just starts throwing he can be a great passer. It's a matter of being able to be in that mindset all the time. Maybe that's part of experience and the game "slowing down" that will come with more practice and playing time.
A couple positives were that Spiller looks close to 100% for the first time all year and EJ made some nice downfield throws at the end of the game. You can tell that when Manuel stops thinking and just starts throwing he can be a great passer. It's a matter of being able to be in that mindset all the time. Maybe that's part of experience and the game "slowing down" that will come with more practice and playing time.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Thaniz>
Being a Bills fan is a great decision if you're a masochist.
Being a Bills fan is a great decision if you're a masochist.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I feel all of you. Quite frankly, the problem IMHO is that we haven't had a good coach since Levy. Marrone was hired due to some bizarre upstate NY connection. He hasn't impressed so far.
It's exciting that we're able to stay with teams like New England and Carolina. But the losses to bad teams and inconsistent play is on the coaches. I suspect we're going to muddle through another year or two of Marrone/EJ mediocrity before the team decides to start fresh again. I think the team has some good young talent, so hopefully we continue to draft well in the meantime.
Curious - where do you guys think this team would be if we had Chip Kelly instead of Doug Marrone?
It's exciting that we're able to stay with teams like New England and Carolina. But the losses to bad teams and inconsistent play is on the coaches. I suspect we're going to muddle through another year or two of Marrone/EJ mediocrity before the team decides to start fresh again. I think the team has some good young talent, so hopefully we continue to draft well in the meantime.
Curious - where do you guys think this team would be if we had Chip Kelly instead of Doug Marrone?
flysack
Footballguy
Seriously. What are you, a masochist?
Go follow the Giants. You can feel noble for getting on board during a poor season, but reap the benefits of following a real franchise in years to come. The Steelers works too.
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OC Zed
Footballguy
Like everyone else in here, I'm exasperated. I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Something always happens with this team/organization to #### things up.ScottNorwood said:
With that being said, it's too early to dismiss Marrone and his staff. The defense still has many deficiencies, but they have made big strides in forcing turnovers and big plays which have had a major impact in all of their wins this year. We haven't seen that in many seasons. And offensively, they've worked miracles to make THREE rookie QBs (two of which were UDFAs; and yes, I'm including Lewis in here) with little or no training camp experience to somehow be competent in games. That's amazing.
So the jury should still be out on Marrone. And he wasn't hired by some "bizarre Upstate NY connection." He was getting some interest from other NFL teams and had some pretty legitimate assistant coaching experience in the NFL before going to Syracuse and resurrecting that program from the dead.
smapdi
Footballguy
Ugghh that game was just a nightmare. The Toronto games sting especially because of the ####ty atmosphere, the ####ty fans, and the ####ty turf. Why would they choose to play a dome team in December as a home game in Toronto indoors?? It boggles my mind. That is a totally different game at the Ralph. I'm sorry but it is.
You have to be pretty sick to remain a Bills' fan. I'm only 28 years old so the Superbowl years are only a fleeting memory. Yea, I remember going to watch those those games but I was 5 or 6 at the time. I've only had a true connection with this terrible excuse for a team since 1999 (14 years old). One could argue that the Bills have put out the most crap since then of any NFL team. Have the longest current playoff drought. That is half my entire life at this point!
Idk why I do it to myself?? It's definitely similar to the wife with abusive husband or the desperate drug addict just making up excuses to keep on keeping on. It's really not rational in the least but hey, they're the Bills,,,
I do know one thing though, if this team somehow ever manages to pull off the miracle of winning the Superbowl while still in Buffalo, the city will explode. Seriously, it will be one of the biggest parties you've ever seen. That's the light at the end of the tunnel I guess.
You have to be pretty sick to remain a Bills' fan. I'm only 28 years old so the Superbowl years are only a fleeting memory. Yea, I remember going to watch those those games but I was 5 or 6 at the time. I've only had a true connection with this terrible excuse for a team since 1999 (14 years old). One could argue that the Bills have put out the most crap since then of any NFL team. Have the longest current playoff drought. That is half my entire life at this point!
Idk why I do it to myself?? It's definitely similar to the wife with abusive husband or the desperate drug addict just making up excuses to keep on keeping on. It's really not rational in the least but hey, they're the Bills,,,
I do know one thing though, if this team somehow ever manages to pull off the miracle of winning the Superbowl while still in Buffalo, the city will explode. Seriously, it will be one of the biggest parties you've ever seen. That's the light at the end of the tunnel I guess.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
This doesn't fit the narrative that I'm trying to create, therefore I choose to ignore it.
it's a rebuilding year guys. these are good learning experiences for the guys on the team.
Brady can't play forever and neither the Dolphins or Jets look ready to take over the division anytime soon. All this thread needs is a winning streak.
Brady can't play forever and neither the Dolphins or Jets look ready to take over the division anytime soon. All this thread needs is a winning streak.
OC Zed
Footballguy
This pretty much sums it up... the Bills' strategy is to not get better, but to wait for all of the other teams in the division to suck at the same time.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Definitely a bit surprised that it happened during the season but honestly I never thought of Choice as being anything particularly special and if he doesn't have a future with this staff going forward then I don't have much of a problem with it. If Seattle is able to come up with the likes of a Christine Michael in round 5 for their third string back, Buffalo ought to be able to do something similar for the upcoming draft imo.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Eh. A bit surprised, but I love the Moeaki signing. Essentially zero risk and he has shown he can be very good in the past if healthy.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I think Chandler sucks so if they are addressing that I see it as a positive step.
smapdi
Footballguy
I think the writing may be on the wall for Chandler after the Moeaki signing. Ive never been impressed by Chandler & always thought of him as a TE #2 type guy. He just isn't consistent enough to start.
I would really love to see them get a new age NFL TE in the Graham/Gronk type category in rounds 1 or 2 of the draft. It has been way too long since this team has had an actual TE1. You can do so much with a good TE now; plus you have a 1st in Manuel... Invest some high picks in weapons for him. I think a legit TE would be his best friend next season
I would really love to see them get a new age NFL TE in the Graham/Gronk type category in rounds 1 or 2 of the draft. It has been way too long since this team has had an actual TE1. You can do so much with a good TE now; plus you have a 1st in Manuel... Invest some high picks in weapons for him. I think a legit TE would be his best friend next season
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I like the signing but Moeaki is strictly a tires kicking guy in my mind. Costs us nothing to look at him and see what he has left. The guy has been perennially hurt so counting on him for anything would be foolhardy. The Bills have had such a crappy set of Tight Ends for so long that I suppose any warm body might look good in comparison. I could see the Bills doing what the Pats did 4 years ago or the Colts did 2 years ago and targeting two impact TE's in the draft. They should also keep looking at getting more impact players at LB and CB and perhaps get a replacement for Byrd at safety and bring in a real replacement for Levitre on the OL as well.
PrinceofDarkness
Footballguy
Funny, I have the complete opposite opinion of Choice. He simply lacks explosiveness and the ability to make tacklers miss. His stats in his two and a half years in Buffalo? 105 carries for 389 yards (3.7 YPC). His longest run as a Bill was 22 yards and only 2 of his 105 carries were longer than 20 yards.
It seems to me that if guys like Bobby Rainey can be third on the depth chart and step in and shine after being cut by several other teams, the Bills can find a better RB3 than Choice.
Christine Michael was a 2nd round pick. He has 14 carries on the year.
I like the Moeaki pickup and am not sad to see Choice cut loose.
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
You right. I think I just mixed up Michael with Zac Stacy. Anyway my original premise still stands though. Good RB's can be had in the later rounds of the draft.
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