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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (2 Viewers)

What's the over/under on Rex Ryan's firing?  I'm thinking Week 5.
I think he gets a full season unless it is an absolute trainwreck and the team starts 1-9 or something like that.  

If this team goes, say, 7-9, I think he's back next year.  If they totally collapse, though, anything is possible.

 
I think he gets a full season unless it is an absolute trainwreck and the team starts 1-9 or something like that.  

If this team goes, say, 7-9, I think he's back next year.  If they totally collapse, though, anything is possible.
I don't see a full season in the cards for Sexy Rexy.  Too many injuries and no offense.

 
I know it's just Week 1, but I think I've resigned myself to accepting that as long as Bill Belichick is in New England, the Bills aren't going to make the playoffs.
This isn't about another team.  It's about _this_ organization finding new ways to fail every year.  Usually we get overcome by injuries, penalties and poor coaching by mid-season.  This year, we've firmly established all of these areas by Week 1.

ETA: Actually, I'll take back the poor coaching.  The defense turned in a good performance yesterday with a decimated front 7.  And the offense was miserable, obviously, but the unit was also completely shorthanded on the line and with Sammy limping around.  

 
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I agree that the defense played better than expected. The linebackers' slowness got exposed, as we knew it would, but the d-line played far better than anyone thought it would.

 
One thing I said aloud yesterday - "Preston Brown is a backup in this league who has no business starting."

They miss Ragland more than Shaq Lawson.

 
This isn't about another team.  It's about _this_ organization finding new ways to fail every year.  Usually we get overcome by injuries, penalties and poor coaching by mid-season.  This year, we've firmly established all of these areas by Week 1.

ETA: Actually, I'll take back the poor coaching.  The defense turned in a good performance yesterday with a decimated front 7.  And the offense was miserable, obviously, but the unit was also completely shorthanded on the line and with Sammy limping around.  
I was reading PFF today....Taylor completed 93% of his passes when he had a clean pocket, and only 25% when he was hurried.  Granted those 93% weren't for big yardage, but it goes to show what a difference the OL makes.

 
Can't see the Bills being better than mediocre with the current front office/coaching staff. Unfortunately, it isn't easy to find good replacements.

 
Assuming we miss the playoffs again this year (going out on a huge limb there, I know), my son will have been born and gone off to college with a grand total of one playoff game in his lifetime, that being the home run throw-back game when he wasn't even a toddler.  

I never really imagined it would come to this, yet here we are.  17 years of watching the Bills together every Sunday, and not a playoff game to show for it.

 
They just seem clueless on offence.  Roman/Tyrod is looking like a bad combo. 

Tyrod seems afraid to throw unless the WR is wide open....and it can't be the middle of the field. 

Ok...he had no time. Throw a quick slant!!!!!!!!

Sammy is made for passes like that. 

Hut...look...throw. 

I don't care how bad your line is, get your 5-7 yards in chunks like that. Every good team in the league makes those adjustments. Except Buffalo. 

I like a point made in the post game show. Bush, who was picked up from the garbage pile got almost as many opportunities as Sammy, who cost you two firsts. 

Insane

 
Throw a quick slant!!!!!!!!

Sammy is made for passes like that. 

Hut...look...throw. 

I don't care how bad your line is, get your 5-7 yards in chunks like that. Every good team in the league makes those adjustments. Except Buffalo. 
I totally agree. Quick slants, bubble screens, motion with quick outs. Button hooks should be there all day with Sammy.

Am I misremembering or did they not have any designed roll outs, either? It seemed like everything was out of the shotgun, and it was always that same weak read option action.

This game was beyond disgusting on the offense.

 
Well, Sammg is saying that the reports are wrong and that his foot was "tired" and there is no soreness. The x-ray was totally precautionary and he guarantees he'll play Thursday. 

Seems kind of doubtful that he'd had an x-ray if there was no soreness, but it sounds like he intends to play through whatever is going on.

 
Well, Sammg is saying that the reports are wrong and that his foot was "tired" and there is no soreness. The x-ray was totally precautionary and he guarantees he'll play Thursday. 

Seems kind of doubtful that he'd had an x-ray if there was no soreness, but it sounds like he intends to play through whatever is going on.
The reports are saying that his foot is not broken and there is nothing they can do about it. He just needs rest. If he can't work through the pain they may have to shut him down as there is no treatment for the issue. That doesnt sound far fetched to me. The team hasn't exactly been transparent with injuries this year (Shaq shoulder issue for example). 

 
The reports are saying that his foot is not broken and there is nothing they can do about it. He just needs rest. If he can't work through the pain they may have to shut him down as there is no treatment for the issue. That doesnt sound far fetched to me. The team hasn't exactly been transparent with injuries this year (Shaq shoulder issue for example). 
The way the article I posted read, it seemed like some over dramatization. My guess, after seeing some of this follow up is that there was just some soreness. That makes perfect sense. The surgery wasn't that long ago. Could be some scar tissue being aggravated after the strenuous workout.

 
Assuming we miss the playoffs again this year (going out on a huge limb there, I know), my son will have been born and gone off to college with a grand total of one playoff game in his lifetime, that being the home run throw-back game when he wasn't even a toddler.  

I never really imagined it would come to this, yet here we are.  17 years of watching the Bills together every Sunday, and not a playoff game to show for it.
I was up early on Sunday and browsing Twitter, and started remembering 9/11, where I was that day.  And it hit me then that at age 29, 9/11 was 15 years ago, and thus half my life ago.  And then it hit me that the last time the Bills played a playoff game was nearly 2 years before the twin towers fell.

 
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A lot of people were blaming Greg Roman. This off-season there were people worried that Roman could be chosen as a HC somewhere after this year. He took a bad offense and made it respectable last year. There was a lot of hope going into the year that he would build on that. The concern was our defense, and somehow roles reversed. A lot of blame was placed on Rex for this loss (his defense was much improved and gave up 13 damn points). Greg Roman was blamed. Such as comments like this:

I think Tyrod Taylor could've gone into the huddle and literally drawn pass patterns on his stomach - back turned towards the defense so they can't see the plays, of course - and the offense would've scored more than 7 points yesterday.
But I have a hard time blaming Roman. The guy who made Colin Kaepernick look like a superstar. A guy who took Tyrod and made him a ton of money this off-season. Was it really the playcalling? We think that he just decided to get ultraconservative when the expectation was that the defense would be weak and a lot of points needed to be scored. I have a hard time buying that. Tyrod looked bad. He looked like a guy who was nervous and timid. He wasn't reading the field and was quick to check down. He looked a lot like #3, which is a very scary thought. For a guy who had a pretty good off-season/pre-season, I'm surprised that he looked so bad in week 1. The offensive line was struggling early on, but by the end of the game they had gotten better. But we knew the OL wasn't going to be great as their right side is shaky.

Tyrod stated that they were giving everything up underneath. So everything underneath was there for the taking and he threw for 111 yards? Brady is a quick release, short pass QB and he doesn't throw for 111 yards. That's a pretty poor stat line for a guy who just inked a $90m contract. It's almost like things are moving too fast for him, when they should be slowing down. Not sure why he was so uncomfortable back there. It almost looked like he was afraid of the pressure, when he's so good at escaping. I really am at a loss for words on this performance. It was basically the opposite of everything we expected from him this year.

 
The way the article I posted read, it seemed like some over dramatization. My guess, after seeing some of this follow up is that there was just some soreness. That makes perfect sense. The surgery wasn't that long ago. Could be some scar tissue being aggravated after the strenuous workout.
I sure hope so. Tyrod needs to get his head screwed on straight otherwise it doesn't matter. But if Sammy isn't playing or isn't healthy, there is nobody outside that is going to command any respect. They threw the ball to Salas/Goodwin 1 time all game. Woods is a decent, reliable option but no game breaker. They don't utilize Sammy or Clay like they need to. If Sammy goes down, I would expect teams to put 8 in the box and make the Bills find a way to beat them.

 
Disagree on the line being better by the end of the game. It was a total jailbreak on just about every single drop back in the 4th quarter. Tyrod missed a lot of wide open receivers and there is no excuse for that. But according to PFF he completed 93% of his passes when he was protected in the pocket and only 25% when he was pressured. And he was pressured a ton. Way way too much. The run blocking was pretty terrible as well.

 
Disagree on the line being better by the end of the game. It was a total jailbreak on just about every single drop back in the 4th quarter. Tyrod missed a lot of wide open receivers and there is no excuse for that. But according to PFF he completed 93% of his passes when he was protected in the pocket and only 25% when he was pressured. And he was pressured a ton. Way way too much. The run blocking was pretty terrible as well.
McCoy had to work too hard to get what little yardage he did. Early on it seemed that Tyrod was under pressure as soon as the had gotten the ball. By the game's end it felt like he had more time, or they were moving him in the pocket more as the rush seemed to be coming from the interior.

 
Disagree on the line being better by the end of the game. It was a total jailbreak on just about every single drop back in the 4th quarter. Tyrod missed a lot of wide open receivers and there is no excuse for that. But according to PFF he completed 93% of his passes when he was protected in the pocket and only 25% when he was pressured. And he was pressured a ton. Way way too much. The run blocking was pretty terrible as well.
He wasn't pressured on that play posted above.

And, who cares about completion percentage if they are all dump-offs for a few yards.

 
Relax guys. They just resigned Jerome Felton. Sh@#'s under control. The offense is fixed.
That was another thing that irked me... Baby Gronk was on the active roster for this game, right? Why keep an FB on the roster if you don't use him? They used a one back shotgun set all game... If you have a fullback active and you OLine is struggling, put him in to help block. (Or have a TE help in pass blocking.) 

#stillsteepingoverthishorriblegame

 
If you have a fullback active and you OLine is struggling, put him in to help block. (Or have a TE help in pass blocking.) 
Hell, I wouldn't mind if they played 6 OL on some passing plays to create time for Taylor. Watkins will get open. If it takes an extra second or two, an OL, at the expense of a 3rd WR or a TE is worth it.

 
That was another thing that irked me... Baby Gronk was on the active roster for this game, right? Why keep an FB on the roster if you don't use him? They used a one back shotgun set all game... If you have a fullback active and you OLine is struggling, put him in to help block. (Or have a TE help in pass blocking.) 

#stillsteepingoverthishorriblegame
They didn't use Felton much last year. He played a small % of the plays considering he was the highest paid FB in the league. I'm thinking they felt the run game would be fine without Felton since he wasn't used much. Now they're apparently in panic mode. How else do you describe them going out and getting the guy they just cut after a week 1 loss? There was no injury that forced the move. 

 
I hate this new NFL trend (stolen from NCAA) of running out of the shotgun. It doesn't work in the NFL. Unless you have Cam Newton at QB no one is going to bite on the QB fake run. Even with Tyrod no one bit on it. NFL players are too smart, too quick, too disciplined. All it does is hamper the RB's ability to run by giving him crappy blocking to work with.

 
The All-22 analysis is REALLY damning for Tyrod. He never went through his progressions and had Woods, Watkins, and Clay open all day...but never saw them. Watkins in particular beat his guy several times and Tyrod never even looked his way.

Terrible.

https://thebuffalobillsstampede.wordpress.com/2016/09/13/upon-further-review-week-1-tyrod-taylor-all-22-tape/
That's not the greatest analysis. I could pick apart a lot of it, but my favorite is: "If he had made a better pass you can see that Bush has a clear path to the end zone over the middle of the field."
Bush totally had a clear path. And, as we can see from the picture, the defenders aren't even moving, so easy TD for sure.

Anyway, enough of the analysis is accurate. Taylor did not play well. That's for sure.

 
The All-22 analysis is REALLY damning for Tyrod. He never went through his progressions and had Woods, Watkins, and Clay open all day...but never saw them. Watkins in particular beat his guy several times and Tyrod never even looked his way.

Terrible.

https://thebuffalobillsstampede.wordpress.com/2016/09/13/upon-further-review-week-1-tyrod-taylor-all-22-tape/
It's amazing how bad he looked. So many people blamed Rex (when the defense gave up 13 points) or Roman. People are quick to blame the wrong people. Much like Whaley getting the blame. We have talent on this team, and once upon a time, Brian Moorman was our best player. But they want Whaley gone. Unreal.

Tyrod showed that he can go through progressions and throw it deep (with great accuracy) last year. For whatever reason he totally regressed in week 1. I have a hard time believing that it was just a bad game. Some days you're off and make bad throws. But to completely not see the field throughout the entire game is very concerning. Expecting him to all of a sudden be able to do that the next week is a leap of faith I'm not willing to take.

I'll be going to the game tomorrow night. I used to be excited about it. But with Sammy dinged up, Tyrod looking like EJ Manuel, and the rest of the OL doing poorly, I'm a lot less excited and a lot more worried.

 
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I hate this new NFL trend (stolen from NCAA) of running out of the shotgun. It doesn't work in the NFL. Unless you have Cam Newton at QB no one is going to bite on the QB fake run. Even with Tyrod no one bit on it. NFL players are too smart, too quick, too disciplined. All it does is hamper the RB's ability to run by giving him crappy blocking to work with.
Speaking of shotgun vs. center snap, I noticed a play on one of the first few Bills drives where Tyrod took a snap under center and basically happy-footed his drop.  He got no depth whatsoever.  I was okay with writing it off to being first quarter jitters, but it wasn't even a rookie mistake....they teach you that in high school.  Get your depth.  I didn't notice it at all later but he didn't exactly come back with a strong performance afterward.

 
I loved it. That's why guys like to play for him. He's a polarizing type of guy. Some hate him, some love him. Generally the players like playing for him.

His defense was much improved in week 1 and that was supposed to be the weakness with all the injuries and Dareus suspension. That was the best aspect of their game. If it continues to play well, then it will be up to Tyrod to get back on track. If the offense can perform near the level they did last year, with an improved defense, they have a chance.

I'm going to the game tomorrow. My optimism is not high with the way Tyrod played week 1 and couldn't see wide open WRs, coupled with a banged up Sammy Watkins. I'm less concerned with Cordy Glenn being out. Kuoandjio is a much better LT than RT and he did well. I would expect a low scoring game, which will be anything but exciting.

 
The All-22 analysis is REALLY damning for Tyrod. He never went through his progressions and had Woods, Watkins, and Clay open all day...but never saw them. Watkins in particular beat his guy several times and Tyrod never even looked his way.

Terrible.

https://thebuffalobillsstampede.wordpress.com/2016/09/13/upon-further-review-week-1-tyrod-taylor-all-22-tape/
This analysis is horrible. Yes, Tyrod had a terrible game, but it wasn't 100% his fault either. Some of the plays Tyrod is getting blamed for on that blog weren't his fault or weren't 100% his fault. I can almat guarantee that the guy who wrote that has no clue how to read a defense or could even tell you what defense was showing pre-snap.

For instance, everyone has seen that first play by now and even I was pretty ticked off about it. But it turns out that with what they defense was showing presnap and how Buffalo was lined up, it's clear that the play wasn't designed for Woods and Watkins to even be options. They're not even part of the progression. Tyrod did actually go through his progression and made the right throw based on the play call. It just happened to be an overly conservative play call, which isn't too shocking since it is a 2nd year QB going back to play his original team in Week 1. 

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/9/14/12908934/tyrod-taylor-all-22-film-bills-breakdown-week-1

Taylor absolutely has to improve, but the play calling and O-line both need to improve just as much.

 
This analysis is horrible. Yes, Tyrod had a terrible game, but it wasn't 100% his fault either. Some of the plays Tyrod is getting blamed for on that blog weren't his fault or weren't 100% his fault. I can almat guarantee that the guy who wrote that has no clue how to read a defense or could even tell you what defense was showing pre-snap.

For instance, everyone has seen that first play by now and even I was pretty ticked off about it. But it turns out that with what they defense was showing presnap and how Buffalo was lined up, it's clear that the play wasn't designed for Woods and Watkins to even be options. They're not even part of the progression. Tyrod did actually go through his progression and made the right throw based on the play call. It just happened to be an overly conservative play call, which isn't too shocking since it is a 2nd year QB going back to play his original team in Week 1. 

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/9/14/12908934/tyrod-taylor-all-22-film-bills-breakdown-week-1

Taylor absolutely has to improve, but the play calling and O-line both need to improve just as much.
A big pet peeve of mine these days is people thinking "going through progressions" is equivalent to "finding the open WR." All the best QBs are going to miss wide open WRs if they actually are at the bottom of the progression order.

That said, Sammy needs to be at the top of that order more often. The guy simply gets separation almost at will.

Also, that first play... Tyrod wasn't under pressure, so I do feel like he probably should have looked to the deeper routes, but again, we don't know the exact play design.

 
A big pet peeve of mine these days is people thinking "going through progressions" is equivalent to "finding the open WR." All the best QBs are going to miss wide open WRs if they actually are at the bottom of the progression order.

That said, Sammy needs to be at the top of that order more often. The guy simply gets separation almost at will.

Also, that first play... Tyrod wasn't under pressure, so I do feel like he probably should have looked to the deeper routes, but again, we don't know the exact play design.
Ok, point taken. But the point here is that Tyrod locks onto his primary option and waits forever for him to get open instead of recognizing that it isn't going to happen in time and moving to his second or third option. He left a lot of completions and yards on the field.

 
Ok, point taken. But the point here is that Tyrod locks onto his primary option and waits forever for him to get open instead of recognizing that it isn't going to happen in time and moving to his second or third option. He left a lot of completions and yards on the field.
Oh, I agree totally. I wasn't trying to call you out. Just something that came to mind when reading that article.

Personally, I think they need to beat it into his head to not take the check down so willingly. Buy time with feet, launch a deep ball once in a while, hold the ball a bit longer at the risk of taking a sack. Its starting to feel like teams are starting to figure out his dump off tendencies... Man to man so nobody is open right away and keep tabs on the RB/TE underneath.

 
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Oh, I agree totally. I wasn't trying to call you out. Just something that came to mind when reading that article.

Personally, I think they need to beat it into his head to not take the check down so willingly. Buy time with feet, launch a deep ball once in a while, hold the ball a bit longer at the risk of taking a sack. Its starting to feel like teams are starting to figure out his dump off tendencies... Man to man so nobody is open right away and keep tabs on the RB/TE underneath.
The weird thing is he was doing this in preseason and the later half of last year. It's like he took 3 steps backward in that Ravens game.

Tonight is going to be very telling about what's going on with Tyrod. If he plays against a tough Jets' D the same way, red flags will be raised everywhere.

 
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The weird thing is he was doing this in preseason and the later half of last year. It's like he took 3 steps backward in that Ravens game.

Tonight is going to be very telling about what's going on with Tyrod. If he plays against a tough Jets' D the same way, red flags will be raised everywhere.
The Jets sacked Dalton 7 times in week 1 -- I don't think Tyrod is going to have enough time for anything tonight regardless of whether he's "regressed" or not.

 

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