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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (3 Viewers)
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I actually really liked what I saw of Peterman today... Very decisive. A couple times he was a little too aggressive, but I'd hope some experience would teach him the difference between good aggressive passes and bad ones.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
If we can mind meld the two QBs we just might have something. So frustrating to watch one guy be too tentative and the other guy just throws it to see what happens.
OC Zed
Footballguy
This team is going to be terrible in the next couple seasons. You have old offensive and defensive lines that are already starting to crumble. Old linebackers. Old running backs. Young receivers who are already slow. Oh, and the QBs...
Everyone talks about all of the draft picks they have next year, but they're still short about 15 solid roster spots even if they nail those draft picks (and who are we kidding here?).
If you are trusting the process, please know it's going to be the next decade before this team is sniffing contention again.
Everyone talks about all of the draft picks they have next year, but they're still short about 15 solid roster spots even if they nail those draft picks (and who are we kidding here?).
If you are trusting the process, please know it's going to be the next decade before this team is sniffing contention again.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Peterman is aggressive, that's for sure. My issue with it is that he fires the ball too quickly. He needs to slow things down, which I would imagine is easier to teach than to teach someone to be aggressive. That's one of those things where either you have it or you don't.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
He's on my fantasy team, so lets hope not.
I'm kind of hoping for some fireworks in this next game. I'm not expecting to win but I want our guys to take a stand. And Gronk needs to be lit up all ####### game.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I agree there is more short term pain ahead. But they are in decent shape without too many anchor contracts.
Rookie QB next year and I think it is reasonable to start making the playoffs after that.
Rookie QB next year and I think it is reasonable to start making the playoffs after that.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Not sure if anybody cared/noticed, but McDermott said he believes and trusts in Rick Dennison. Now, for our sake I hope that is purely bull#### and he's just saying that to get through the season. If Dennison is still the OC in 2018 we may as well fast forward to the 2019 draft.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
and there goes Jordan Matthews and Shaq Lawson to IR. I would be surprised if either are back next year.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Huh? Lawson is a 2nd year guy, why would they get rid of him? It costs $2.8M to keep him and $6M to cut or trade him.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Why would they get rid of most of the guys they dumped? They got rid of Jonathan Williams for Mike Tolbert. That move didn't make a lick of sense to me. It seems that they were just getting rid of anybody that ended up on the team under Whaley's watch. The DL got very little QB pressure this season, so at the very least Lawson wouldn't be starting next year.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I do think it's valid to begin questioning whether Shaq Lawson will ever pan out and turn into the dominant lineman that the Bills hoped they were getting in the 2016 draft, but I surely don't expect them to get rid of him. I've been impressed - at times - with his run-stopping ability, but he's seemingly invisible against the pass. I wouldn't mind them bringing someone in to challenge him for a starting spot, but I feel that way about every position on the roster. Teams should always be looking to get better at every position, and it should be a constant competition for playing time, IMO.Tommy Collins said:
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
Still IN THE HUNT
They actually got a lot of help yesterday with Baltimore & Tennessee both losing. It would've been nice if LA & KC would've lost too.
So as of right now, who has the 6th Wildcard spot? Also, we're rooting for LA to win that division over KC, right?
They actually got a lot of help yesterday with Baltimore & Tennessee both losing. It would've been nice if LA & KC would've lost too.
So as of right now, who has the 6th Wildcard spot? Also, we're rooting for LA to win that division over KC, right?
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Take this with a grain of salt, but during last night's game they said the Bills are in the 6th spot, but if Baltimore wins out they would get it. Not sure how that works... Maybe some sort of strength of schedule tie breaker.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Maybe they just assume there is a 100% chance of the Bills losing to the Pats. That would be logical.
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I read someplace that it winning out would give Baltimore a better record against common opponents. Not sure if that's true.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Not that they play the same position, but has anyone else noticed just how good Reggie Ragland has been for KC?
I really do want to like McDermott, but his in-game management has been brutal at times and some of these personnel decisions don't look fantastic.
And yeah, I think allowing Dennison input on the next QB and/or being responsible for any part of his development is an awful idea.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Spent some time screwing around with the Bills playoff simulator. Obviously the Bills need to win 2/3, which basically means sweeping Miami. I'm not necessarily thrilled with the prospect of having to win in Miami with the playoffs potentially on the line, but it's nice to possibly have a meaningful game in week 17. Some other salient points:
- 9-7 with 2 wins over Miami gives the Bills approximately 63-64% chance of making the playoffs, regardless
- 8-8 with a 1-1 split with Miami leaves a 3-4% chance of getting in, I think we go into this week assuming a loss eliminates the Bills, though there is potential to still have a mathematical longshot chance in week 17 even if they're sitting at 7-8 after losing to New England.
- A miraculous run to 10-6 (lol) still doesn't guarantee anything, they'd be at 95-96%. This will never happen though.
- The most important games down the stretch are:
Colts at Ravens - week 16
- Bengals at Ravens - week 17
- Jags at Titans - week 17
- Any 1 of these 3 road teams winning immediately jumps a 9-7 Bills team into the 82-92% chance range
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
During his press conference today, McDermott said that if he had the decision to make again, he would still punt. 
I don't understand how NFL coaches can make poor statistical decisions over and over and over again when any 13 year old kid with an Xbox can tell you what the right decision is.
I don't understand how NFL coaches can make poor statistical decisions over and over and over again when any 13 year old kid with an Xbox can tell you what the right decision is.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Yes, I have noticed that.
Have you also noticed:
Marquise Goodwin: 41/783
Top two WRs for the Bills combined: 45/591 (Deonte Thompson, Zay Jones)
:(
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, but I'm ok with not having Goodwin. With his frame and history of injuries, they were right to move on.
Of course, they've still managed to endure a ton of injuries at the WR position. Some is bad luck, but it just seems like there's gotta be something they're doing wrong either with strength and conditioning or team doctors or something.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I can't imagine he got paid all that much, and they sure could use a deep threat on this offense...
I'm not saying I hated letting him go, but just another case of a player moving on to another team and having much more success than when he was in Buffalo.
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
If the Jags beat the Titans, and the Bills finish 9-7, they have a 82-92% chance of making the playoffs?
That doesn't sound right, but if true my optimism just rose about 82-92%
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
So now that the Dolphins just knocked off the Patriots, the thought that sweeping Miami would be possible or even "easy" is completely gone. I'm glad that the Dolphins beat up on Brady (he took a beating last week as well). Without Shazier the Steelers defense hasn't been very good, but that should be a great game and hopefully they can get to Brady as well. We should at the very least have a blueprint for how to get home (we need a How To For Dummies book on it considering we have the 32nd ranked pass rush).
We could easily finish this season 7-9 but I'm thinking 8-8 is more logical, which would be just short of a playoff berth.
I'm curious what happens at QB this week. I like that Peterman gets the ball out fast (he needs to learn some patience though as he fires that ball in there very quickly, giving him little time to make sure it's a smart throw), but Tyrod's escapability would be very useful if the Dolphins pass rush is anything like it was last night. At least the Dolphins will be on the road on a shorter week.
I'm happy to be playing meaningful games in December. I don't think enough fans truly appreciate what this team has accomplished when the expectations were so low after what took place this off-season.
Off-season talk... this won't happen, but I still think signing Kirk Cousins is the answer. He's a proven player and a pocket passer, which is clearly what this team wants. The draft is always a crapshoot. Every year we think these guys are locks but the bust rate is high, especially at QB. I'd much rather go with the guy we know, and I think is still underrated, and pay him a ton of money. We could then take all those draft picks and fill out the rest of the roster on rookie contracts to offset the amount of money we just spent at QB. I'd love to see more guys like White, Dawkins, Zay and Milano, rather than taking a ton of picks to move way up and take a rookie who MIGHT develop. I think I saw the expected cap space figure at close to $90m next off-season. Lets spend it.
We could easily finish this season 7-9 but I'm thinking 8-8 is more logical, which would be just short of a playoff berth.
I'm curious what happens at QB this week. I like that Peterman gets the ball out fast (he needs to learn some patience though as he fires that ball in there very quickly, giving him little time to make sure it's a smart throw), but Tyrod's escapability would be very useful if the Dolphins pass rush is anything like it was last night. At least the Dolphins will be on the road on a shorter week.
I'm happy to be playing meaningful games in December. I don't think enough fans truly appreciate what this team has accomplished when the expectations were so low after what took place this off-season.
Off-season talk... this won't happen, but I still think signing Kirk Cousins is the answer. He's a proven player and a pocket passer, which is clearly what this team wants. The draft is always a crapshoot. Every year we think these guys are locks but the bust rate is high, especially at QB. I'd much rather go with the guy we know, and I think is still underrated, and pay him a ton of money. We could then take all those draft picks and fill out the rest of the roster on rookie contracts to offset the amount of money we just spent at QB. I'd love to see more guys like White, Dawkins, Zay and Milano, rather than taking a ton of picks to move way up and take a rookie who MIGHT develop. I think I saw the expected cap space figure at close to $90m next off-season. Lets spend it.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
How's the weather supposed to be for the game?
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
Right now AccuWeather says 37 with clouds & sunshine. Not bad, although it's still been snowing like crazy here since Sunday. I'd imagine the field will be MUCH better than this last game, but the Bills should have an advantage if there's any accumulation since they played in that blizzard.Magic_Man said:
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Who are we rooting for tonight?
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I'm not as high as most for the playoffs. So for me I'm all about getting the best draft picks from here on out. And the Chiefs not making the playoffs is what I'm hoping for.
If we want a chance at making it (and we can win two or three more games) then we want the chiefs to win. Right?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
All in all, just about everything played out this week to give the Bills their best shot at making the playoffs. They actually control their own destiny right now. If they somehow miraculously win out, they are in. They are also in if they beat the Dolphins and one of:
-Ravens lose one of their last 2 games
-Titans win next week and lose Week 17 or
-Titans lose Week 17 and Chargers lose one of their last 2 games
So basically we are rooting for a win against the Dolphins, against the Ravens, and against the Titans in Week 17.
-Ravens lose one of their last 2 games
-Titans win next week and lose Week 17 or
-Titans lose Week 17 and Chargers lose one of their last 2 games
So basically we are rooting for a win against the Dolphins, against the Ravens, and against the Titans in Week 17.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Yeah there is a legit chance if they can beat Miami
If Bills go 1-1 the most likely scenario where they end up out is:
Ravens and Chargers win both. Titans lose both. That puts them head to head with only the Chargers. I think they are fine at 9-7 as long as there are multiple teams tied with them.
If Bills go 1-1 the most likely scenario where they end up out is:
Ravens and Chargers win both. Titans lose both. That puts them head to head with only the Chargers. I think they are fine at 9-7 as long as there are multiple teams tied with them.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Not sure what to make of this
@MySportsUpdate: #BillsMafia is freaking insane https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/942421969940729857/video/1
@MySportsUpdate: #BillsMafia is freaking insane https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/942421969940729857/video/1
The Duff Man
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I really don't get the diving through tables thing.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
All I see is a million responses to something. Is there actual video or a news story of something?
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
Unfortunately, the Ravens & Chargers winning out and the Titans losing out is a very real possibility:
Chargers - @ Jets, vs Raiders
Ravens - vs Colts, vs Bengals
Titans - vs Rams, vs Jaguars
I think their best shot is Raiders beating Chargers and Titans beating Jaguars because the Jags may have nothing to play for that last week? I could also see the Bengals beating the Ravens, maybe.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I think Chargers and Ravens have the potential to lose 1 of their remaining 2 games. The Titans losing their next 2 is got to be a damn near certainty, unless the Jags rest their starters Week 17.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The Bills have so many reasons to blame themselves for Sunday's loss, but that KB call was just plain atrocious. And then you have the overturned 4th and 1 spot that seemed far from conclusive by video.
And stuff like this is just plain infuriating. That is a personal foul if Brady is at QB 100 times out of 100. He knows the ball is out because he pulls his arms down from trying to bat it down, puts them in a position to hammer Taylor, takes 3 more steps and levels Taylor. Just insane that the Pats seem to always get those calls and the Bills never do.
And stuff like this is just plain infuriating. That is a personal foul if Brady is at QB 100 times out of 100. He knows the ball is out because he pulls his arms down from trying to bat it down, puts them in a position to hammer Taylor, takes 3 more steps and levels Taylor. Just insane that the Pats seem to always get those calls and the Bills never do.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I've often disagreed with you on officiating discussions, but I agree 100% here. This was one where the fix certainly seemed to be in. (Note: I don't think the league is rigged, but you wouldn't be able to know that from watching Sunday's game).
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
It's been awful all season. That KB overturned TD also looked like DPI by Gilmore but there was no flag on that. The Clay "drop" before that play would have been a TD prior to the NFL destroying what is considered to be a catch.GroveDiesel said:
Aside from these shenanigans, I thought Tyrod looked awful again. He took several sacks that no non-rookie QB should be taking. Each time he tried to spin backward to avoid the pressure I expected him to go down for 10 or more yards. He made some good plays here and there, but games like this just solidify my stance on Tyrod even more. He seems like a great guy but he just can't/won't make the throws that we need him to make. I always wondered why he signed the team friendly deal he did this off-season. As this season goes on I think that it had more to do with other teams not being as interested in him as what was believed.
I hope good Tyrod shows up in Week 17. He's like a unicorn.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
I know the Tyrod topic has been beaten to death, but he's really nothing more than a great backup. I get that some fans love him. I like him in every way, except as a starting QB. He makes plays that other QB's don't make, but all too often he still misses the mark, by a lot. In the three seasons he's been in Buffalo, I've not seen any improvement. He's the same guy today that he was when he signed. I understand that he hasn't necessarily had the best all around supporting cast, but the great ones don't let that stop them from being great.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think he's actually a decent starting QB. The problem is, to consistently be a favorite to win each week and to consistently be a contender, you have to have a great QB, not a decent one.
In a semi-related note, I really am more and more befuddled by how ProFootballFocus does their ratings/rankings. They have the Bills O-line ranked either 1st or 2nd right now for pass blocking. They also have Tyrod Taylor rated 11th as a QB. Neither one of those make much sense to me.
Both Taylor and Peterman were under a ton of pressure all season. That's either due to the O-line getting routinely beaten, or due to the QB bailing out too soon/holding the ball too long. But it's got to be one of them. And if it is, then there's no way that both the O-line can be rated so high for pass blocking and Taylor being rated so high as a QB.
And there's just no way they're incorporating all of the open receivers that Taylor misses and holds onto the ball.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I just can't fathom having him again next year. He's so frustrating to watch. When is the last time a QB that was afraid to make tight throws won anything of significance? He still has the college QB mentality in that he won't make the throw if the guy isn't wide open. He's often late on making the decision to throw the ball, so when there is 2 steps on the defender the gap has closed by the time Taylor gets the ball there. We have seen games where things just looked great (Seattle in 2016 for instance) but those are very rare occurrences.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I 100% agree. They need a better QB. It's more a commentary on QB play in general. He's not terrible, but he's not good enough to consistently score points and put pressure on the opponent. And heaven forbid they fall down by 7+. I'd rather them take some risks looking for a better QB than stick with average any longer. But you gotta take some chances and start drafting QBs in the first 2 rounds.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
So who wants to make predictions about tomorrow? My money is on the defense being unable to come up with a key stop, with Miami getting the win (and their first lead of the game) with under a minute to go. And Baltimore losing to Cincinnati, because Bills.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Either that or the Chargers and Titans (and Bills) lose, right? Those are the only two possibilities...
Related to your prediction of the Dolphins taking the (first) lead with under a minute to go, I'll make my prediction that the Dolphins take the lead with 4 minutes left, and the Bills' offense goes 4-and-out.
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