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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (2 Viewers)

I feel awful for McCoy. They should have done the right thing and traded him for a bucket of balls to a contender.

Hey, at least the equipment guys got lucky. With Benjamin still on the roster, that's one uniform they don't have to worry about trying to clean stains off of every week.

 
Just let Pryor and Logan Thomas smash the Wildcat 40 times.  I actually want to watch the train wreck. Hoping for 3-4 picks and then watch McDermott make excuses.

 
On the bright side, this probably means that the Bills will trade a 3rd-round pick for Mullens in the offseason. :thumbup:
Sigh. I may actually be ok with that.

But no, that would never happen. For some reason, everyone in Buffalo always thinks that a big arm and big hands are the most important attributes for a QB.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Sigh. I may actually be ok with that.

But no, that would never happen. For some reason, everyone in Buffalo always thinks that a big arm and big hands are the most important attributes for a QB.
Really silly. That's what sold the previous regime on EJ Manuel. Scouts and evaluators have become so obsessed with measurables and numbers that they don't even focus on what really matters: can he play? Watson was a gamer, but there were questions about his size by those in the NFL. Silly really. He was the guy I wanted last year until we traded down. Mahomes is awesome and easy to say we should have taken him, but he was a project because of the gunslinger Ryan Fitzpatrick mentality, learning behind Alex Smith helped him, but he wouldn't have had that development here. 

It stinks to throw away a good season. It's even worse when you piss away a very good defense, especially with guys like Kyle Williams and Lorenzo Alexander getting close to the end. To think we have at LEAST 2019 with Josh Allen as our QB makes me very pessimistic already. I liked what I saw vs. the Vikings, but it's been downhill ever since. He pulls the ball down, tries to take off too soon, takes too long to go through his progressions, etc. It's really ugly right now. Considering his collegiate career, there's no reason to think that he's ever going to be a good NFL QB. 

At this point I wish we would just tank it and grab some talent in the draft. I love that McDermott and Beane are great at drafting players in the secondary. If they can continuously make low round picks and turn them into studs that would be a great advantage. But we HAVE to address the offense in the 2019 Draft. We can't be going after any defensive players within the first 2 rounds. With the cap space and draft picks, there's no reason we can't have a decent OL and some legitimate weapons on offense.  That will at least allow this regime to evaluate Josh Allen for 2020 & beyond.

 
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25156141/buffalo-bills-gm-says-rb-lesean-mccoy-definitely-team-2019-plans

This would be monumentally stupid, but considering it's the Bills, they'll probably lock him up for 4 more years as well.
They have no dead money beyond this year. Really, I'm surprised they didn't move him. He's not going to be productive with this OL. They could've gotten something for him. Let Ivory take the beating between the tackles. I mean, we have to be addressing RB in the off-season due to McCoy's age.

 
Any thoughts on Zay Jones? I know the offense is a mess but I just read an article on his improved route running and the targets seem to be there. Any opinions on his upside if/when BUF can find a competent QB?

 
They have no dead money beyond this year. Really, I'm surprised they didn't move him. He's not going to be productive with this OL. They could've gotten something for him. Let Ivory take the beating between the tackles. I mean, we have to be addressing RB in the off-season due to McCoy's age.
I'm not surprised they didn't move him considering their rumored asking price. He's old, overpaid, and unproductive- they should take whatever they can get, and if that's nothing, cut him.

 
So we signed David Andersen off the couch, threw him in the starting lineup, and now he's too brain-damaged to play.  That would normally force us back to Damon Peterson, but he throws too many interceptions to play.  So now we're going to start Matt Barley, who we just signed off the couch.  How did we #### this up so badly?  Who the hell are these people, and why are they lining up under center for the Bills?

 
So we signed David Andersen off the couch, threw him in the starting lineup, and now he's too brain-damaged to play.  That would normally force us back to Damon Peterson, but he throws too many interceptions to play.  So now we're going to start Matt Barley, who we just signed off the couch.  How did we #### this up so badly?  Who the hell are these people, and why are they lining up under center for the Bills?
We'll only need one more new starter this season to match our run in 1968.  I hear EJ Manuel is available.

Too bad it's past the trade deadline, or we could have offered the Raiders a third round pick for AJ McCarron.

 
I do not understand this team.
I have to imagine that this team is absolutely crazy to cover for reporters. They have 7 horrible losses where there really weren't a single positive to latch on to, and then 3 total blowout wins that don't make a shred of sense.

Really, this team is proof that the old adage of "defense wins championships" is truly dead and buried. It doesn't matter how good the defense is, if the offense keeps turning the ball over, can't move the ball, and is constantly going 3 and out, the defense will get tired, they'll give up points, and you'll end up losing and/or getting blown out a majority of the time. 

 
It's kind of hard to believe after Buffalo's awful first two games of the season and in the number of games they've been blown out in, but through 10 weeks, Buffalo now has the #1 defense in the league.

They are giving up under 300 yards per game and have kept their last 2 opponents under 200 yards of offense.

 
GroveDiesel said:
It's kind of hard to believe after Buffalo's awful first two games of the season and in the number of games they've been blown out in, but through 10 weeks, Buffalo now has the #1 defense in the league.

They are giving up under 300 yards per game and have kept their last 2 opponents under 200 yards of offense.
And now with Peterman released, we've taken away our opponent's best weapon.

 
For as much as they team has messed up building an offense this year, you have to give them full marks for creating a dominant defense.

They have 1 weak spot at 2nd CB, but the front 4 is very good, the athleticism at LB is fantastic and then White, Hyde, Poyer and T. Johnson are all excellent in the secondary.

If it wasn't a dumpster fire on offense, they are probably around 9 wins again.

If Allen doesn't pan out, all of it is a waste. 

 
Having a very good defense doesn’t mean anything anymore.  It’s all about offense.  Look at the top 3 D’s in the league.  Bills, Ravens and Jags.  How are we doing? 

 
I want to take just a minute to praise Nathan Peterman:

Through all the struggles, he never blamed anyone else (even though some of the INTs really weren't his fault), he never made excuses, and he never avoided the media or hid from the criticism. He took it all like a man. From all reports, he's a hard worker and a stand-up guy.

The Bills are absolutely right to cut him and probably should have long ago, but it's still not a cut I take glee in. I feel bad for him that things just didn't work for him.

 
Nathan Peterman is statistically the worst quarterback to play in the NFL post-merger. That’s all you need to know, but the stats are even funnier.

Aaron Rodgers could throw 1,240 consecutive interceptions on 1,240 straight pass attempts and still have a better career TD to INT ratio than Nathan Peterman.

Nathan Peterman once threw 3 interceptions and zero touchdowns in a game and his passer rating went up from 20.8 to 30.7.

Nathan Peterman finishes his tenure with the Bills with a lower QB rating than if he simply spiked the ball straight into the ground on every play of his career.
I mean I couldn't do any better and best of luck to the guy going forward.  At the end of the day, he played a game worse than anyone ever and we can all chuckle that we got to witness it.  

 
I remember Bryan Cox.  That guy was great for building a rivalry.  He talked a lot, but he mostly backed it up and was a key defensive player on a very good, dangerous team.

Now you see guys on bad teams talk smack, disappear on game day, and walk it all back after the game.  Different era I suppose 

 
Tate, Cobb, John Brown.  Those guys wouldn’t be bad FA pickups. 

But we all know we’re going to pay Funchess top dollar to come here. 
None of those.  Tyrell Williams and someone like Cole Beasley with a high draft pick rookie coming in as well.

Tate and Cobb are older. John Brown could be a fit but rather have Tyrell Williams.

 
None of those.  Tyrell Williams and someone like Cole Beasley with a high draft pick rookie coming in as well.

Tate and Cobb are older. John Brown could be a fit but rather have Tyrell Williams.
Yeah, no thanks to Tate or Cobb. With Tate I could see him becoming complacent if Allen doesn't get him the ball enough - too much of a diva. Cobb is struggling with Rodgers as his QB - enough said, and he's only reliable to play maybe 10 games. Beasley? Meh...if he's cheap, sure. I don't really see him as an impact player though.

I'd be fine with either John Brown or Tyrell Williams. They'd be major upgrades. If the Bills do show significant interest in Funchess I just hope they don't pay him too much. He has shown flashes of being a #1 though. I would be thrilled to get him, and I trust Beane not to splurge on a mostly unproven WR.

The draft will certainly help. They have to take a WR, right? Whether it be 1st rd or 2nd rd, they can't possibly wait longer than that, you'd think.

Are there any big time TE's coming out in the draft or FA? Clay isn't getting any younger, or better...

 
I like the idea of Tate.  

I still think we need a good veteran presence.  Who is the leader of these WR’s?  Benjamin?  Gone next year and a terrible example.  Zay Jones?  Maybe Holmes?   

We need to bring in a feisty vet who can show these kids how to be a professional WR in the NFL.  

 
I like the idea of Tate.  

I still think we need a good veteran presence.  Who is the leader of these WR’s?  Benjamin?  Gone next year and a terrible example.  Zay Jones?  Maybe Holmes?   

We need to bring in a feisty vet who can show these kids how to be a professional WR in the NFL.  
I just don't think Tate fits well with Josh Allen.  Tate is a YAC monster, but one critical component to that is an accurate thrower of shorter routes that hits Tate in stride, and I just don't think Josh Allen is the guy for that.  Tall guys like Benjamin or Funchess should be perfect for Josh,  but unfortunately neither has much talent.  I'd rather look for a technician that can get separation or a burner, since we know Josh can sling it deep.

 
I just don't think Tate fits well with Josh Allen.  Tate is a YAC monster, but one critical component to that is an accurate thrower of shorter routes that hits Tate in stride, and I just don't think Josh Allen is the guy for that.  Tall guys like Benjamin or Funchess should be perfect for Josh,  but unfortunately neither has much talent.  I'd rather look for a technician that can get separation or a burner, since we know Josh can sling it deep.
That’s a good point.  I was thinking the YAK would be good for Allen.   But someone like Tate does do better with accurate, hit in stride kind of throws. 

I didn’t know T.Williams was a free agent.  His skill set would fit well here.  

Beasley.  We already have guys like him.  

 
I just don't think Tate fits well with Josh Allen.  Tate is a YAC monster, but one critical component to that is an accurate thrower of shorter routes that hits Tate in stride, and I just don't think Josh Allen is the guy for that.  Tall guys like Benjamin or Funchess should be perfect for Josh,  but unfortunately neither has much talent.  I'd rather look for a technician that can get separation or a burner, since we know Josh can sling it deep.
I get what you're saying, but to be a success Allen is going to have to develop some semblance of an intermediate game. What better way to see if he can improve there than one of the best WRs at that craft. I would hope they can pick up a big (or fast) outside WR or two in the draft.

 
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I don’t have very high hopes at all.  But I’m starting to wonder if Robert Foster could develop into something.  Saw a report that he’s reached some of the fastest speeds on the field this year.  If he can learn how to run routes and catch the ball consistently, the Bills might have a find.  

 
I don’t have very high hopes at all.  But I’m starting to wonder if Robert Foster could develop into something.  Saw a report that he’s reached some of the fastest speeds on the field this year.  If he can learn how to run routes and catch the ball consistently, the Bills might have a find.  
I don't know about his route running, but I do recall watching him drop a lot of passes in the pre-season. Hopefully that was just some jitters. The catch he had on the deep route against Jax was a heck of a catch.

 
Both the FA and draft crop of WRs looks pretty underwhelming. Typical Bills, when they're finally ready to address a glaring need there's nobody even available to fill that need.

If they throw a huge contract at Funchess, I won't be happy at all.

 
Both the FA and draft crop of WRs looks pretty underwhelming. Typical Bills, when they're finally ready to address a glaring need there's nobody even available to fill that need.

If they throw a huge contract at Funchess, I won't be happy at all.
I’ve actually read this is supposed to be a pretty good class for DL and WR’s.  We’re obviously out of the running for Bosa, Williams and Oliver, but still some serious talent later on.  And the same for WR’s.  Keep hearing no sure fire stud, but a very deep class.  

 
Third worst team in the NFL in terms of point differential (40 points worse than the 4th worst team) yet they may not draft in the top 10. SMH.

 
I think they’ll end then year on a good run so they could end up drafting in the middle of the first as usual.
I was initially mad every time they won a game because I really wanted a top 3 pick.  But I think what’s most important is Josh improving and this team building. 

If the Bills win a handful of these games, and Josh shows promise for the future, then I’ll be ok with picking in the middle of the draft.  

Besides, I keep hearing picks 3-15 are pretty much the same level of talent anyways. 

 
I was initially mad every time they won a game because I really wanted a top 3 pick.  But I think what’s most important is Josh improving and this team building. 

If the Bills win a handful of these games, and Josh shows promise for the future, then I’ll be ok with picking in the middle of the draft.  

Besides, I keep hearing picks 3-15 are pretty much the same level of talent anyways. 
Don't we all expect Beane to trade up for someone?

 
All that matters is #17 coming along.  I'm happy for every win, and our draft position in one particular year is pretty irrelevant compared to developing our QB.

 
Third worst team in the NFL in terms of point differential (40 points worse than the 4th worst team) yet they may not draft in the top 10. SMH.
Yeah, I've been kind of bummed they keep winning games. I wouldn't be shocked if they end up with 8 wins. 6 seems like almost a lock.

Don't get me wrong, I like seeing Allen develop, but the thought of having a top 3 pick and trading it for a bunch of other picks to help build the team around Allen was really appealing to me.

 
Mr. Peterson said:
I was initially mad every time they won a game because I really wanted a top 3 pick.  But I think what’s most important is Josh improving and this team building. 

If the Bills win a handful of these games, and Josh shows promise for the future, then I’ll be ok with picking in the middle of the draft.  

Besides, I keep hearing picks 3-15 are pretty much the same level of talent anyways. 
I agree that Allen developing is the #1 priority, but that was always going to be tough to gauge with such little talent around him. I agree as well going forward, if he plays well and they win that would be good, but he didn't even play in the win against the Jets, and was 8/19 passing in the win last week.

No way are picks 3-15 the same level of talent, nor as valuable.

OldMilwaukee said:
Don't we all expect Beane to trade up for someone?
If so, it's a lot easier/less costly to do from the ~5 spot than the ~12.

IvanKaramazov said:
All that matters is #17 coming along.  I'm happy for every win, and our draft position in one particular year is pretty irrelevant compared to developing our QB.
Agreed with the first part, but they aren't mutually exclusive. Disagree with the 2nd- getting higher picks can certainly help the QB develop.

Yeah, I've been kind of bummed they keep winning games. I wouldn't be shocked if they end up with 8 wins. 6 seems like almost a lock.

Don't get me wrong, I like seeing Allen develop, but the thought of having a top 3 pick and trading it for a bunch of other picks to help build the team around Allen was really appealing to me.
Agreed. If he was looking great, I'd have no problem with the wins. It's almost the worst case scenario- they've learned next to nothing about Allen's long term outlook, yet they're playing their way out of a top draft choice that could help him (and the team).

 
With the amount of cap space that they have, they're going to want to show down the stretch that this is a team on the upswing to help attract free agents.  Which should be more valuable than picking earlier in the first round.

 

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