2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (4 Viewers)

[GroveDiesel]

All I know is that the Bills are actually fun to watch right now with Josh Allen. And heading into that last drive, for the first time in a long time, I actually had some hope that they would pull it off.

As for what the Bills do, I'll be honest, I have been a bit worried that the Bills may not actually see just how bad the offensive talent is. So I was very happy to see this quote from Beane to Allen in The Athletic:

 “I told him to hang in there,” Beane said. “We’re going to get better. We’re going to fix it. We’re still focused on what we can do to get better. I have to do better with getting him some weapons.

 

[humpback]

With the amount of cap space that they have, they're going to want to show down the stretch that this is a team on the upswing to help attract free agents.  Which should be more valuable than picking earlier in the first round.

This free agent class looks pretty underwhelming (particularly at positions the Bills need), and money is generally a bigger factor than any perceived upswing. Let's be honest, Buffalo isn't going to be the top choice for most free agents regardless if they finish 4-12 or 8-8.

Regardless, the draft is much more important to building a good team than free agency.

 

[Gottabesweet]

This free agent class looks pretty underwhelming (particularly at positions the Bills need), and money is generally a bigger factor than any perceived upswing. Let's be honest, Buffalo isn't going to be the top choice for most free agents regardless if they finish 4-12 or 8-8.

Regardless, the draft is much more important to building a good team than free agency.

I disagree. Assuming the money is the same between two teams, seeing a team that's 7-9 with a young QB in place on a rookie deal is promising, not to mention with all the amenities the Bills are putting in. The Bills training facility that's being built next to the Fieldhouse will be one of the best in the league.  I don't care if we pick 5th or 10th as long as I see the Bills trending up with not only Allen but all the young guys. I'd like to see Teller take a step back up after a poor game yesterday. They need RG,C,RT,WR,WR,TE and a RB but those are generally cheaper. 

On D - they could use a CB2, Continue with the D-line depth (stay young) and Lorenzo's replacement eventually at OLB.

Free agency is always a crapshoot but I trust Beane, the splash he's made defensively with signings have all improved the defense, now lets see what he can do to get Allen some help. Getting Foster, McKenzie and Thompson on the field to stretch the D vertically has taken the offense from bottom in the league to not embarrassing.

I see plenty of free agents the Bills could be interested in that'll help on both sides of the ball.  Free agency should net us 5-6 contributors alone, not to mention the draft where this past year he's got production from Phillips, T. Johnson,  Neal,  and Wyatt Teller and Foster in the later rounds/undrafted.

Win some close games, and create the culture of winning with the young guys and then go out and get better in the off-season.  I'll be rooting for victories vs the Jets, Lions, Pats, and Dolphins - Realistically predict 7-9 and even the "tankers" at 6-10 will still get us the pick they want. I'd trade down regardless.

 

[ajm27501]

This free agent class looks pretty underwhelming (particularly at positions the Bills need), and money is generally a bigger factor than any perceived upswing. Let's be honest, Buffalo isn't going to be the top choice for most free agents regardless if they finish 4-12 or 8-8.

Regardless, the draft is much more important to building a good team than free agency.

No doubt that the draft is the ideal way to build a team, but they are in a position where they will be building through both the draft AND free agency.  They have enough needs that they won't be able to fill them solely through the draft.  I would assume that it is at least a significant part of trying to create all this cap space for next year in the first place.  Showing the league that this is a team on the upswing might make the difference in either convincing a player to sign who may not otherwise have signed. It may even mean signing at or near market value, as opposed to having to overpay (i.e., Clay) 

 

[Gottabesweet]

No doubt that the draft is the ideal way to build a team, but they are in a position where they will be building through both the draft AND free agency.  They have enough needs that they won't be able to fill them solely through the draft.  I would assume that it is at least a significant part of trying to create all this cap space for next year in the first place.  Showing the league that this is a team on the upswing might make the difference in either convincing a player to sign who may not otherwise have signed. It may even mean signing at or near market value, as opposed to having to overpay (i.e., Clay) 

100%,Exactly. Could also sign a player in free agency at a area your already set at and then use the current starter as a piece to trade for a WR. There has been an uptick in offseason trading as well.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I'm in the get-a-top-pick camp. There's just such a huge difference in value between 5 and say 12.

I don't think as many FAs will give a hoot about going to a contender. That's typically for perennial pro bowlers who are on the last legs of their career. Most will go to the money.

On top of that, I think there's already enough hope around the team, between last year, Allen looking decent, and games like yesterday. A couple more games like yesterday, and I think a lot of FAs will view this team as on its way up.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm fine with not having a top pick this year. All of the top players in this draft will be defensive players. In fact, it won't shock me if 75% of the first round is defense. With the Bills needing offense much more than defense, I am fine with them drafting a little lower.

Yeah, maybe if the pick was higher they could trade down, but trading down in the top 5 usually only happens when there is a potentially elite QB available and a team feels they need to trade up to get them. I'm not seeing that scenario this year.

 

[humpback]

I disagree. Assuming the money is the same between two teams, seeing a team that's 7-9 with a young QB in place on a rookie deal is promising, not to mention with all the amenities the Bills are putting in. The Bills training facility that's being built next to the Fieldhouse will be one of the best in the league.  I don't care if we pick 5th or 10th as long as I see the Bills trending up with not only Allen but all the young guys. I'd like to see Teller take a step back up after a poor game yesterday. They need RG,C,RT,WR,WR,TE and a RB but those are generally cheaper. 

On D - they could use a CB2, Continue with the D-line depth (stay young) and Lorenzo's replacement eventually at OLB.

Free agency is always a crapshoot but I trust Beane, the splash he's made defensively with signings have all improved the defense, now lets see what he can do to get Allen some help. Getting Foster, McKenzie and Thompson on the field to stretch the D vertically has taken the offense from bottom in the league to not embarrassing.

I see plenty of free agents the Bills could be interested in that'll help on both sides of the ball.  Free agency should net us 5-6 contributors alone, not to mention the draft where this past year he's got production from Phillips, T. Johnson,  Neal,  and Wyatt Teller and Foster in the later rounds/undrafted.

Win some close games, and create the culture of winning with the young guys and then go out and get better in the off-season.  I'll be rooting for victories vs the Jets, Lions, Pats, and Dolphins - Realistically predict 7-9 and even the "tankers" at 6-10 will still get us the pick they want. I'd trade down regardless.

The fieldhouse and Allen being on a rookie contract are irrelevant to the point, those things are happening regardless of their record. I can't imagine that any impact free agent would sign with them if they finished 7-9 but wouldn't if they finished 5-11, it has to be pretty far down the list.

Like I've said, if Allen catches fire and they win the next 4 games, great. However, their best offensive game by far this year came with Matt Barkley at QB, and I don't think you'd argue that any free agents are signing here because of that- all that game did was cost them draft position. Myself, I'm rooting for Allen to play well- if he doesn't, I'd much rather they lose than win.

No doubt that the draft is the ideal way to build a team, but they are in a position where they will be building through both the draft AND free agency.  They have enough needs that they won't be able to fill them solely through the draft.  I would assume that it is at least a significant part of trying to create all this cap space for next year in the first place.  Showing the league that this is a team on the upswing might make the difference in either convincing a player to sign who may not otherwise have signed. It may even mean signing at or near market value, as opposed to having to overpay (i.e., Clay) 

Which of the good teams have gotten there primarily by signing free agents as opposed to the draft/trades? Who are the free agents that have a legit chance at being key players for the Bills long term? I'm not saying don't try to improve things in free agency, but it's generally more about finding complementary players than game changers. The Bills need the latter, and the higher they draft, the higher their chances at getting them.

100%,Exactly. Could also sign a player in free agency at a area your already set at and then use the current starter as a piece to trade for a WR. There has been an uptick in offseason trading as well.

You could draft a stud player at an area you're already set at and do the same thing, likely easier than convincing a free agent to sign someplace that already has an established starter.

I'm fine with not having a top pick this year. All of the top players in this draft will be defensive players. In fact, it won't shock me if 75% of the first round is defense. With the Bills needing offense much more than defense, I am fine with them drafting a little lower.

Yeah, maybe if the pick was higher they could trade down, but trading down in the top 5 usually only happens when there is a potentially elite QB available and a team feels they need to trade up to get them. I'm not seeing that scenario this year.

Let's not act as if they are the 85 Bears, they can certainly use help on defense as well, but there will be offensive players taken in the top 10 (I've seen mocks with half of the top 10 on offense). Any way you slice it, a higher pick is more valuable than a lower one (not just in round 1 either). Again, I'd be totally fine if they were winning because Allen was lighting it up, but that just hasn't been the case.

 

[GroveDiesel]

The fieldhouse and Allen being on a rookie contract are irrelevant to the point, those things are happening regardless of their record. I can't imagine that any impact free agent would sign with them if they finished 7-9 but wouldn't if they finished 5-11, it has to be pretty far down the list.

Like I've said, if Allen catches fire and they win the next 4 games, great. However, their best offensive game by far this year came with Matt Barkley at QB, and I don't think you'd argue that any free agents are signing here because of that- all that game did was cost them draft position. Myself, I'm rooting for Allen to play well- if he doesn't, I'd much rather they lose than win.

Which of the good teams have gotten there primarily by signing free agents as opposed to the draft/trades? Who are the free agents that have a legit chance at being key players for the Bills long term? I'm not saying don't try to improve things in free agency, but it's generally more about finding complementary players than game changers. The Bills need the latter, and the higher they draft, the higher their chances at getting them.

You could draft a stud player at an area you're already set at and do the same thing, likely easier than convincing a free agent to sign someplace that already has an established starter.

Let's not act as if they are the 85 Bears, they can certainly use help on defense as well, but there will be offensive players taken in the top 10 (I've seen mocks with half of the top 10 on offense). Any way you slice it, a higher pick is more valuable than a lower one (not just in round 1 either). Again, I'd be totally fine if they were winning because Allen was lighting it up, but that just hasn't been the case.

Sure, the Bills can use some pieces on defense, especially with Kyle Williams and Alexander both potentially retiring, but using a 1st round pick on defense when the offense is so clearly deficient would be incredibly stupid.

And I'm not sure what mocks you're seeing that have half of the top 10 picks being offense. The top of the draft is loaded in defense, but there is very very little top offensive talent coming out this year. I sincerely doubt half the top 10 will be offense.

And the reality is that outside of QB and maybe DE, drafting in the top 5 versus in the 8-20 range is laregly irrelevant.

 

[humpback]

Sure, the Bills can use some pieces on defense, especially with Kyle Williams and Alexander both potentially retiring, but using a 1st round pick on defense when the offense is so clearly deficient would be incredibly stupid.

And I'm not sure what mocks you're seeing that have half of the top 10 picks being offense. The top of the draft is loaded in defense, but there is very very little top offensive talent coming out this year. I sincerely doubt half the top 10 will be offense.

And the reality is that outside of QB and maybe DE, drafting in the top 5 versus in the 8-20 range is laregly irrelevant.

Drafting BPA is far from stupid, which is why most teams try to do it- stupid is reaching for an inferior player because you have a need :cough:EJManuel:cough:. If you are set on drafting for need, you're still better off with a higher pick because it gives you the option of trading down and acquiring more assets.

Here's one recent mock with 2 out of the top 4 and 4 out of the top 9 on offense, and here's another with 4 out of the top 6 and 5 out of the top 8 on offense. In a way, the defensive depth and lack thereof on offense can change their relative values.

Completely disagree with the last part. Even if you somehow eliminate two very important positions (which doesn't make any sense), there is a massive difference between drafting in the top 5 vs. in the teens.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

And the reality is that outside of QB and maybe DE, drafting in the top 5 versus in the 8-20 range is laregly irrelevant.

What? It is incredibly relevant. The value of a top 5 pick is huge. There are always teams willing to move up in the first round. The Bills have been on both ends of those trades in the past several drafts.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Best case scenario is to have four more games exactly like last week -- Allen plays extremely well, but not quite well enough to overcome his poor supporting cast and thumb-on-the-scale officiating.  We lose out, we're set at QB, and we get a relatively nice draft pick.  But that's really threading the needle. We can't count on Shawn Hochuli and Charles Clay to bail us out every week.  

The Jets, Lions, and Dolphins are all pretty sorry teams and I think it's going to be very difficult to avoid beating at least a couple of them if we get good QB play.  I mean, the Jets already got blown out by a guy that we signed off the street a week earlier.  If Allen continues to play the way he has been, we're going to play ourselves into the middle of the pack on draft day, but that's fine because we need this guy to be good.  The only way we land a top-5 pick is if Allen regresses or gets hurt, both of which are much worse that drafting a few picks later.  

 

[GroveDiesel]

Whoa. I didn't expect Benjamin to be a part of future plans, but I certainly didn't expect the Bills to cut him now.

McDermott's comment after the game on Allen's INT where he said "we have to trim the fat off of the route" seems like Benjamin's lousy route on the play was the last straw for the Bills.

It was the right move, but man, this team needs to find someone that can evaluate WR talent. That's 2 trades now giving up draft picks where they ended up having to cut the WR after getting essentially zero from them.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Whoa. I didn't expect Benjamin to be a part of future plans, but I certainly didn't expect the Bills to cut him now.

McDermott's comment after the game on Allen's INT where he said "we have to trim the fat off of the route" seems like Benjamin's lousy route on the play was the last straw for the Bills.

It was the right move, but man, this team needs to find someone that can evaluate WR talent. That's 2 trades now giving up draft picks where they ended up having to cut the WR after getting essentially zero from them.

Also jogged on Zay's TD run - video floating around.

Jones, Foster, McKenzie, Thompson, McCloud, Phillips is what they have now.  Unless they go plucking from other's Practice Squads.  Just don't sign Brandon Reilly back. Bills fans love him because he was ok in training camp and said hi to them.  Foster, McKenzie, Thompson, McCloud, Phillips. Likely fighting for next years #5 and #6 spot assuming they add in free agency and higher in the draft.

Hoping McCloud gets active and starts showing a little. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

A little surprising with only four more games to go, but better late than never.  

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Whoa. I didn't expect Benjamin to be a part of future plans, but I certainly didn't expect the Bills to cut him now.

McDermott's comment after the game on Allen's INT where he said "we have to trim the fat off of the route" seems like Benjamin's lousy route on the play was the last straw for the Bills.

It was the right move, but man, this team needs to find someone that can evaluate WR talent. That's 2 trades now giving up draft picks where they ended up having to cut the WR after getting essentially zero from them.

Good riddance.  

 

[IvanKaramazov]

"Kelvin Benjamin finally got some separation."

God bless Twitter.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Also jogged on Zay's TD run - video floating around.

Jones, Foster, McKenzie, Thompson, McCloud, Phillips is what they have now.  Unless they go plucking from other's Practice Squads.  Just don't sign Brandon Reilly back. Bills fans love him because he was ok in training camp and said hi to them.  Foster, McKenzie, Thompson, McCloud, Phillips. Likely fighting for next years #5 and #6 spot assuming they add in free agency and higher in the draft.

Hoping McCloud gets active and starts showing a little. 

You didn’t like Brandon Reilly at all?  I thought he had some potential but I didn’t pay too close attention to him. 

We need a vet to come in here and be a good leader for these young guys.  They have no one to learn from and to see what it takes to be a professional WR in the NFL. 

 

[jonramz]

"Kelvin Benjamin finally got some separation."

God bless Twitter.

You are welcome

 

[GroveDiesel]

Interesting to note that Roy Ellison, the ref that Jerry Hughes went after and claimed called him a #####, has been put on administrative leave.

Hughes is not expected to be suspended despite chasing Ellison down after the game and threatening to kick the crap out of him.

I think that tells you all we need to know about the situation.

 

[Gottabesweet]

You are welcome

Buffalo builds and opens a Chic Fil A and Benjamin cut the same week. Hmmm. 

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Buffalo builds and opens a Chic Fil A and Benjamin cut the same week. Hmmm. 

[[[ What happened to the whoosh emoticon? ]]]

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Interesting to note that Roy Ellison, the ref that Jerry Hughes went after and claimed called him a #####, has been put on administrative leave.

Hughes is not expected to be suspended despite chasing Ellison down after the game and threatening to kick the crap out of him.

I think that tells you all we need to know about the situation.

This is kind of interesting considering some of the officiating decisions made in the fourth quarter of this game.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So guess who is PFF's highest overall graded player over the last 2 weeks?

Oh, hi Josh Allen!

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So guess who is PFF's highest overall graded player over the last 2 weeks?

Oh, hi Josh Allen!

But I was told he was Jamarcus Russell 2.0.

 

[GroveDiesel]

This is kind of interesting considering some of the officiating decisions made in the fourth quarter of this game.

The thought crossed my mind to add that as well, but didn't want to go too far with it. The officials were not great in general and missed some calls going both ways. It's just really frustrating when it feels like the Bills constantly have those calls/no-calls go against them at the end of games at critical moments.

The no-calls when Allen got tackled by the guy grabbing the back of his helmet and the pretty clear no-call on the second to last play (the back shoulder throw to Zay) become more frustrating when there is the possibility of a ref belittling and calling a player names. Certainly casts doubt on whether that ref is being objective.

 

[Gottabesweet]

The thought crossed my mind to add that as well, but didn't want to go too far with it. The officials were not great in general and missed some calls going both ways. It's just really frustrating when it feels like the Bills constantly have those calls/no-calls go against them at the end of games at critical moments.

The no-calls when Allen got tackled by the guy grabbing the back of his helmet and the pretty clear no-call on the second to last play (the back shoulder throw to Zay) become more frustrating when there is the possibility of a ref belittling and calling a player names. Certainly casts doubt on whether that ref is being objective.

It's happening all over the league.  Titans Taylor Lewan just freaked on a bunch of officials after his game. Officiating is largest inconsistent across the league

 

[GroveDiesel]

It's happening all over the league.  Titans Taylor Lewan just freaked on a bunch of officials after his game. Officiating is largest inconsistent across the league

Agreed. And for that, I largely blame a handful of media members. When the refs went on strike and the NFL tried to implement some new standards that, IMO, would have gone a long way towards fixing some of the issues, a handful of media guys carried the water for the refs' union and absolutely tore the NFL to shreds. 

And then there was the officiating blunder by the replacement refs on prime time at the end of that Seahawks (I think) game and those media guys were able to go all in and sway public opinion. They were writing tons of trash articles claiming that the replacement officials were putting player health at risk, etc. It was total hack stuff. But they managed to sway public opinion and the NFL caved. So terrible refs that the stats show call the game completely differently than everyone else keep their jobs. Refs that continually make obvious terrible blunders keep their jobs. Refs that have clear and discernable patterns of bias against visiting teams keep their jobs. Refs that continually run into issues with the same players again and again and clearly antagonize players keep their jobs.

Add all that to the complicated joke that the league makes of the rules each year and you end up making the game unwatchable at times.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Still not sure how no ref managed to see/call this.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I want the Bills to have a game like the Jets just had yesterday.  The rookie QB has a good game, shows progress, but then lose at the end.  

I really want us to get a top rookie pick.  Hopefully top 5.   If we win I believe it takes us out of the top 10.    

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I want the Bills to have a game like the Jets just had yesterday.  The rookie QB has a good game, shows progress, but then lose at the end.  

I really want us to get a top rookie pick.  Hopefully top 5.   If we win I believe it takes us out of the top 10.    

Totally agree. Some of the bottom 10 teams have been winning the past couple weeks. With a little luck we could get a 4 or 5 pick.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I want the Bills to have a game like the Jets just had yesterday.  The rookie QB has a good game, shows progress, but then lose at the end.  

I really want us to get a top rookie pick.  Hopefully top 5.   If we win I believe it takes us out of the top 10.    

So in other words, just like our last two games.  I still don't understand how we managed to lose the Miami game.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I really don't understand why Danny Crossman hasn't been fired yet. Penalty on the first kickoff and then only an 8 yard return to the 13 yard line on the second kickoff. Not to mention the terrible punt coverage units and poor punt returns.

All that when the Bills have invested pretty heavily in special teams to the point they had guys who were basically on the roster just as special teams guys 

 

[GroveDiesel]

That Allen TD was great, but I think he actually had 2 guys who were open that he should have pulled the trigger on.

That was a great downfield shot though. Foster had a TD if he hadn't been tackled from behind.

 

[GroveDiesel]

A little concerning that Tre White has been struggling quite a bit the last few games.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

A little concerning that Tre White has been struggling quite a bit the last few games.

In fairness, Golladay has been a beast today.  Guaranteed that Allen is watching him play and wondering why none of receivers ever help him out like that.

 

[GroveDiesel]

In fairness, Golladay has been a beast today.  Guaranteed that Allen is watching him play and wondering why none of receivers ever help him out like that.

It's weird, and I still think they need to be looking for 1 or 2 top talent guys in the offseason, but WR isn't really at the top of the list for needs right now IMO. Foster, McKenzie and Jones have actually been looking pretty decent the last few weeks.

O-line, RB and TE may actually be bigger needs.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I want the Bills to have a game like the Jets just had yesterday.  The rookie QB has a good game, shows progress, but then lose at the end.  

I really want us to get a top rookie pick.  Hopefully top 5.   If we win I believe it takes us out of the top 10.    

Terrible.  Worst case scenario.

With the exception of one great throw by Allen, we sucked.  And killed our draft spot in the process. 

 

[GroveDiesel]

Terrible.  Worst case scenario.

With the exception of one great throw by Allen, we sucked.  And killed our draft spot in the process. 

I think Allen actually had a pretty good game. He made a lot of nice throws that just won't show up on the stat sheet. The PI against Foster where Allen then ran in for the TD, a couple of drops on decent long downfield throws, and even some of this throwaways were good decisions.

 

[humpback]

Dropped from the #6 to #9 pick in the draft. Ugh.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Dropped from the #6 to #9 pick in the draft. Ugh.

What's the tiebreaker for teams with the same record?

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Yeah, I thought I saw we were 10th. 

 

[humpback]

What's the tiebreaker for teams with the same record?

Strength of schedule.

 

[humpback]

Yeah, I thought I saw we were 10th. 

As of now it looks like they have the 4th hardest schedule (based on opponent win %) out of the 5 teams tied at 5-9 putting them 9th. Can change after the next two weeks obviously, just sucks that they would have moved up a spot to #5 if they lost last week.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

As of now it looks like they have the 4th hardest schedule (based on opponent win %) out of the 5 teams tied at 5-9 putting them 9th. Can change after the next two weeks obviously, just sucks that they would have moved up a spot to #5 if they lost last week.

Well not only would’ve gotten up to 5.  But we still would’ve had the possibility to get into the top 3.  Now that’s not happening.  

At this point I’d rather see Josh and our D kick the Patriots ####.  Winning the next two games with Allen looking good in both will mean a lot more than having a top 5 pick. 

 

[humpback]

Well not only would’ve gotten up to 5.  But we still would’ve had the possibility to get into the top 3.  Now that’s not happening.  

At this point I’d rather see Josh and our D kick the Patriots ####.  Winning the next two games with Allen looking good in both will mean a lot more than having a top 5 pick. 

I'll stay consistent and disagree. Sure, if Allen looks like Mahomes these next two weeks who cares about the pick, but let's be honest, that's not happening.

I'm not worried about the defense, I'd much rather they have a hiccup and lose these two games 24-21 than win them 13-10.

 

[BlueDredSo]

It's weird, and I still think they need to be looking for 1 or 2 top talent guys in the offseason, but WR isn't really at the top of the list for needs right now IMO. Foster, McKenzie and Jones have actually been looking pretty decent the last few weeks.

O-line, RB and TE may actually be bigger needs.

I'd be fine with them drafting O-line ahead of WR but not RB or TE. They need a true #1 WR, like Golladay, who can just go up and win 50/50 balls. Josh doesn't have that right now. He has either speed or possession guys, nobody is both and nobody is big besides Logan Thomas. I just think the benefit of a #1 WR outweigh the benefit and availability of a good RB or TE.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

I'd be fine with them drafting O-line ahead of WR but not RB or TE. They need a true #1 WR, like Golladay, who can just go up and win 50/50 balls. Josh doesn't have that right now. He has either speed or possession guys, nobody is both and nobody is big besides Logan Thomas. I just think the benefit of a #1 WR outweigh the benefit and availability of a good RB or TE.

I agree that Foster and crew has looked good but I think that has to do with the fact that expectations were so low anyways. None of these guys are a one or maybe even a two. THey need a #1 WR badly.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I agree that Foster and crew has looked good but I think that has to do with the fact that expectations were so low anyways. None of these guys are a one or maybe even a two. THey need a #1 WR badly.

I feel like Jones could be a pretty decent 2, and Foster could be a pretty decent 3, IF they had a good #1 to compliment them.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

I feel like Jones could be a pretty decent 2, and Foster could be a pretty decent 3, IF they had a good #1 to compliment them.

Absolutely. I kind of forgot about Jones for the moment, but I agree with you.