Eephus
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2022 NBA Roster Draft - This draft goes to 12! (1 Viewer)
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They're all taken.
If you're sober enough to post that without typos, you're sober enough to pick.
Eephus
Footballguy
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Harris and kuzma both have solid defensive ratings. Jordan Poole’s defensive rating is basically league average. Ayton, Barrett, Carter, and Looney are all very sound defenders. So far out of 10 guys—I have a team with an elite offense, an adequate defense—where maybe 2 guys aren’t great defenders—but those guys are elite on the offensive end. That’s a trade off that I’m more than happy to accept.
Edit—also—I just looked up Bradley beals defensive rating. He’s well above average. His defensive rating would put him in the top 30 percent in the league.
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Tobias harris has made some marginal improvements over time to get better on defense, but has also shown some regression the past 2 years. Regardless of what his rating says, I can assure that he moves back and forth around the average line, sometimes showing himself like a 6 out of 10, sometimes more like a 4 out of 10.
i think that it will be asking a lot of him to defend on that team. He’s basically a guy who doesn’t hurt you if you have a good defensive team, but really won’t help you if have a less than good defensive team. My personal opinion is that In the lineup here, he would be a net negative on the defensive end. If you could get him not to worry too much about doing much on the offensive end (which in theory, he would be the 4th or 5th option), then you might be able to maximize his defensive potential, though that is still probably like a 7 out of 10.
he is too slow and deliberate (really on both ends) to be much of a plus defender.
i think that it will be asking a lot of him to defend on that team. He’s basically a guy who doesn’t hurt you if you have a good defensive team, but really won’t help you if have a less than good defensive team. My personal opinion is that In the lineup here, he would be a net negative on the defensive end. If you could get him not to worry too much about doing much on the offensive end (which in theory, he would be the 4th or 5th option), then you might be able to maximize his defensive potential, though that is still probably like a 7 out of 10.
he is too slow and deliberate (really on both ends) to be much of a plus defender.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I generally agree. I would just say that my take is that he’s an average to above average defender. Last night—Anthony Davis had 23 points in the first half and was torching the Sixers. Doc Rivers made an adjustment and made Harris the primary defender against Davis the second half and held him to 8 points. Certainly—the Sixers did send help in the form double teams (as the Lakers missing Lebron made it less risky to do so)—but I’d have a hard time calling a person that Doc Rivers trusted to be the primary defender against a scorching Anthony Davis a defensive liability. The reality is—even if my team was an average to slightly below average defensive team— that’d still be good enough for it to win a ton of games.
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dawgtrails
Footballguy
dawgtrails
Footballguy
George Hill - PG
For some reason he forgot how to shoot, but he takes care of the ball (career low turnover rate), and plays above average PG defense.
For some reason he forgot how to shoot, but he takes care of the ball (career low turnover rate), and plays above average PG defense.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Wait, Andrew Wiggins was named an all-star starter??? WTF 
Jayrod
Footballguy
Warriors fans voted in masse. Klay was pretty high as well for a guy who has played like 10 games.Wait, Andrew Wiggins was named an all-star starter??? WTF
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
They shouldn’t separate voting by “frontcourt” and “backcourt”. Start the top five in each conference (or top 10 overall, I don’t care) and use the reserve process to handle positional needs. If they would have done that, I think Doncic would have started over Wiggins.Wait, Andrew Wiggins was named an all-star starter??? WTF
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Yea, the 3 frontcourt is kinda dumb anyway, especially with the fluidity of positions these days.
I would have gone KAT, or Gobert, or Draymond if we stuck with rules though.
And if we could choose a backcourt player instead, Doncic, or Mitchell, or Boooker, or Russell, and probably a few more.
Wiggins is a nice story. Going from the worst contract in the league to a decent starter, but he is not an all star, nevermind a starter.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
According to Raptor defensive rankings among players that have played at least 700 minutes
Harris # 236
Barret # 195
Kuzma # 172
Poole # 140
Beal # 105
Kev4029
Footballguy
Defensive advanced metrics are noisy. I think they are useful but certainly not a great way to exclusively judge a player. I think Beal could be a decent defender against opposing 2s but hasn't been for a few years, Harris is mediocre at best as he is too slow for wings and to small for bigs, Poole kinda sucks but has a great defensive team around him, and Kuzma and especially Barrett are legitimately pretty good.
Kev4029
Footballguy
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Defensive metrics are noisy, but Kuzma has graded out as a bad defensive player for a while now. I am skeptical that he suddenly became good
Kev4029
Footballguy
Raptor has had him as a net positive last year. ESPN RPM has had him as a positive for three years. DBPM has had him roughly average. From my eye test, he is a player that is capable of competently defending his man and is a bit underrated by advanced stats.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Side note related to RAPTOR. Jokic has a RAPTOR of +15.7 this year. The second best in 538's database is Curry in 15-16 at +12.5. Over the last 9 years, there have been a total of 9 players that had a season RAPTOR over +10.0. Jokic is totally crushing advanced stat records this year.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
For the most part, Tobias Harris will play the way you want him to play, but you gotta ask, remind him that he matters. Between Horfordgate, last year's #####fest with Simple Simmons and having a not only first-year but first-time point guard in Maxey, Harris hasnt been a focal point when he probably has deserved to be. That'll hurt one's defensive application profoundly, especially when one's already GOT PAID. Now that Maxie is getting used to things up top, Coach gotta tell him to be Maurice Cheeks - make sure your hosses get a phislamma jam early on and they'll bust a nut for you.
Eephus
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Anthony Edwards RAPTOR is +79
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
my RAPTOR is almost 5
dawgtrails
Footballguy
I'll save you the trouble. Your guys stink
Kidding, only some of your dudes stink. Here you go
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/
PIK95
Footballguy
Minutes/Off Rap/Def RapI'll save you the trouble. Your guys stink
Kidding, only some of your dudes stink. Here you go
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/
Julius Randle PF, C 43-1.6-0.5
Jusuf Nurkic C 38-0.5+3.5
DeMar DeRozan SG, SF, PF 38+2.3-2.0
Dejounte Murray PG, SG 33+2.0+0.5
Cade Cunningham PG 26-1.2-1.4
Josh Hart SF 20+0.6+0.4
Cole Anthony PG 14 0.0-1.9
Anfernee Simons SG 13+1.7-2.6
Herb Jones SF 15-1.3+2.0
Stats are for Nerds
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I like the 12 rounds, but I knew what I was going to do with the last pick of round 10, but now I really keep going back and forth on what to do here.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
10.14 - Nemanja Bjelica
I would like another stretch 5 option to give some different looks, as well as someone who can facilitate a little bit as I think that we are a little light on passing and ball movement.
Enter my arch-nemesis who spurned the Sixers and would have done a beautiful job doing this here. Anyway, you're here now, scumbag.
@scoobus
I would like another stretch 5 option to give some different looks, as well as someone who can facilitate a little bit as I think that we are a little light on passing and ball movement.
Enter my arch-nemesis who spurned the Sixers and would have done a beautiful job doing this here. Anyway, you're here now, scumbag.
@scoobus
scoobus
Footballguy
10.15 Grant Williams
Capable defender who has come on this year as an overall NBA player. Has upped his 3 point percentage to an impressive 43% and has an overall TS% of 66% (albeit on low usage). Didn't realize he had made such a leap this year before looking him up, should be a great piece off the bench.
Capable defender who has come on this year as an overall NBA player. Has upped his 3 point percentage to an impressive 43% and has an overall TS% of 66% (albeit on low usage). Didn't realize he had made such a leap this year before looking him up, should be a great piece off the bench.
Jayrod
Footballguy
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Why are we going with 12 man rosters? Is anyone's 11th and 12th rounder going to play over their top 10?
Jayrod
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Fixed it above. Went back and forth between two players, even after I started the write-up.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
I'm looking for more perimeter players that can nail threes but aren't real point guards and are terrible defenders. This gives me two more opportunities.
scoobus
Footballguy
I'm looking for more guys I can label as "3 and D" even though they either can't consistently hit a 3 or aren't actually quality defenders.
facook
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
10.18 Gary "Gary Harris" Harris SG
I thought for sure he was on his way out of the NBA after the last few seasons. He is and was an elite guard defender who can also credibly guard small forwards, just not quite to the same level. He's figured it out this year, scoring 12 ppg on .560 TS% and making nearly two threes a game on 36% shooting (closer to 2.5 3s a game on 40% shooting over the last two months). Depending on matchup, he may actually play more than the guards drafted ahead of him (Dragic/Hield).
@The Gator
I thought for sure he was on his way out of the NBA after the last few seasons. He is and was an elite guard defender who can also credibly guard small forwards, just not quite to the same level. He's figured it out this year, scoring 12 ppg on .560 TS% and making nearly two threes a game on 36% shooting (closer to 2.5 3s a game on 40% shooting over the last two months). Depending on matchup, he may actually play more than the guards drafted ahead of him (Dragic/Hield).
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