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2022 NBA Roster Draft - This draft goes to 12! (2 Viewers)

First of all, he is better than every single one of those guys in every single advanced stat and it isn't even close, so you aren't picking up on something (which is why they created advanced stats...to keep our eyes from fooling us into thinking guys are better or worse than they really are).

Second of all, if I would have had any idea that Maxey was going to fall that far, I would have waited because he is the one guy that is close to Brunson out of that group.  I almost took him as my backup at the last turn and consider him one of the steals of the draft.  Brunson is better, but Maxey should have gone much earlier than he did.
For reference (and I just use this list as a starting point in my picks), but my calculated 2021-22 rankings have these guys ranked as the following:

Brunson #42, Maxey #57, Morris #125, Jones #153 & Quickley #208.

As you can see, my rankings did not have these guys that closely packed together.  There are some definite performance differences between them this season.

 
I don't know the guts of the Win Shares metric ... but Brunson's Defensive Win Shares (DWS) are about double Maxey's (maybe ~5% fewer minutes than Brunson) and close to double Tyus Jones' (~30% fewer minutes). Does Brunson hold opponents to an especially low percentage on contested shots or something? FWIW, Brunson gets more steals per 36 minutes (1.1) than Maxey (0.7) but fewer Jones (1.5) ... but I don't think the DWS difference is down to just steals.
I'm not trying to pick on @Jayrod or Brunson specifically (I could go back and list like 8-10 other guys i think are in this bucket), but it comes down to this:

1. Dallas is a significantly better team defense and Brunson benefits from that

2. Brunson played a ton of minutes during Dallas' best stretch of defense on the season. To my eyes, he was doing his job well and fitting in, but in no way the reason for it, whereas [multiple guys not drafted yet] were getting after it alongside Dorian Finney Smith and some solid rim protection. Dallas is a really strong team concept. 

 
Maybe it's just my bias. I just think they all play a role that's not that hard with skillsets that are pretty replaceable at the NBA level, and a lot of the stats surrounding what they do are context-driven rather than player-driven. 

 
Maybe it's just my bias. I just think they all play a role that's not that hard with skillsets that are pretty replaceable at the NBA level, and a lot of the stats surrounding what they do are context-driven rather than player-driven. 
Agree with much of what you wrote @Instinctive, ie - positional opportunity cost in this draft.  In general, taking a C comes at a huge cost vs the other positions available throughout a majority of this draft.  After a handful of the top, top PGs went off the board I felt the same way.

 
Maybe it's just my bias. I just think they all play a role that's not that hard with skillsets that are pretty replaceable at the NBA level, and a lot of the stats surrounding what they do are context-driven rather than player-driven. 
Agree with much of what you wrote @Instinctive, ie - positional opportunity cost in this draft.  In general, taking a C comes at a huge cost vs the other positions available throughout a majority of this draft.  After a handful of the top, top PGs went off the board I felt the same way.
Also, as for why I drafted Brunson when I did....I was rounding out my starting 5 and simply needed a PG and he was the best available at the time.  He was the 23rd PG (basketball-reference designations) drafted.

I had really hoped for a Lonzo Ball or Kyle Lowry to drop further, but they just didn't and I didn't want to wait another 38 picks to take my starting PG.

 
Last season, they started playing Hart at the 4 to counter some opponents' small lineups. I'm sure back in the 80s & 90s ... your Karl Malones and Charles Oakleys would've ground Hart into the floor. But in the 2020s NBA, the Pelicans and Hart can get away with it.
The Malones and Oakleys might have to play C in modern times. 

 
The Malones and Oakleys might have to play C in modern times. 
the path for the big guy is limited. many trad Cs who were relevant as little as 2 yrs ago are getting screened off their coverages, rendering them sore thumbs in defensive schemes (tho the dirty little secret is that 80% of today's players are sore thumbs for other reasons - their footspeed just makes it less obvious). no chance for Oak to start today, Mailman might have enough footspeed to 5, but not the stroke (and his foul shooting would indicate he wouldnt develop it) to 4.

the answer for both would be how Sabonis & Randle did it - be the backup 5, come in a bull-in-a-china-shop and develop enough of a game that the team will work around you. Malone would make it that way. sry, Oak - rebounds arent contested much and hip-checking guys into row 7 dont play no mo

 
8.20 - SG Gary Trent, Jr. TOR - Best scorer left on the board and he can come of the bench and get some buckets.  He's shooting 37.4% from 3 (which is below his career avg of 38.8%) and just came off a game high 32 pts in a win over Charlotte.

9.01 - PG/SG De'Anthony Melton MEM - He's struggled a bit offensively, but I need a good defensive guard off the bench that can also run the point and he is as solid as there is remaining.

Now I sit and wait to take Mr. Irrelevant.

@The Gator

 
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8.20 - SG Gary Trent, Jr. TOR - Best scorer left on the board and he can come of the bench and get some buckets.  He's shooting 37.4% from 3 (which is below his career avg of 38.8%) and just came off a game high 32 pts in a win over Charlotte.

9.01 - PG/SG De'Anthony Melton MEM - He's struggled a bit offensively, but I need a good defensive guard off the bench that can also run the point and he is as solid as there is remaining.

Now I sit and wait to take Mr. Irrelevant.

@The Gator
I actually thought both were gone.  Was gonna double check that Trent was picked but saw Hart and jumped on it.  Great picks.

Melton looked like a great defender when I watched them not long ago.  They are so deep!

 
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I actually thought both were gone.  Was gonna double check that Trent was picked but saw Hart and jumped on it.  Great picks.

Melton looked like a great defender when I watched them not long ago.  They are so deep!
Hart was #3 on my rankings vs. actual pick variance. I don't know if I would have taken him because I really needed at least a serviceable backup PG.

#2 was Horford who I would have taken if he made it to me instead of Melton.

 
Try to let it go and use the ignore function. I see this type of stalking on several posters for years and nothing is really done. You're just going to paint a bigger target on your back by reporting things.
I think it's pathetic. I don't want to start hijack the thread but I always found it funny how Joe and company preach having a good board yet this type of behavior slides constantly. I don't care whats going on in someone else's life just don't bring that drama on to here and lash out against people. I was part of another board with a similar cult like group. Here's the sad thing. All those posters were younger thon me besides 4 and here we have a bunch of adults acting like HS girls. It says a lot more about you then it does me in the long run especially when most don't practice what you preach

I've used the ignore function constantly. I have almost 3 pages of posters on ignore already. I did bring up the abuse to a mod last year after I was pretty verbally attacked in a thread by another poster and was suspended for a month from here. When I cameback and saw the thread I saw about 6-10 posters come in to defend me and tell the poster off which when I came back I thanked them for doing so. Nothing was done and my message was completely ignored by the mod. It's just really frustrating to deal with. I haven't dealt with it as much as I did awhile back but when it does happen it's pretty frustraiting especially when they make flat out lies about someone's views. What was worse the moderator on that page said "we'll definitely look into it" and completely ignored me when I gave them my side of the story and asked if they would do anything about bullying and harassing others simple for a different view point and trying to report any post that might be considered over the line and got nothing.

It's not a good look for the board and eventually people will leave and might tell others. Those others might be potential subs for the website so in the long run Joe and company could lose $$$ on the site which I'm sure they don't want. Several posters in my teams thread have even brought this up as well as a rival teams fan about the harassment I've received in the past. So it's pretty blatant at this point where others have stepped in on my defense too.   

Either way end of rant. 

 
Glad you are okay fam.  I don’t want to speak for everybody—but I would totally vote for and totally be okay with you somehow being involved in whatever we decide to do in regards to ranking/evaluating the teams.  

Just thinking out loud—I was thinking that if every person in the draft and DJax were to rank every team (outside of their own) from 1-19–(1 begin the strongest, and 19 being the weakest)—and Djax would rank 1-20 (as he’d have no horse in the race).  We could then add up the totals for each team—and the team with the lowest number—would be considered the best seed—and the team with the highest number would be the lowest.  The 4 teams with the highest totals would get eliminated from our playoff bracket—and the remaining 16 teams would start a tournament (1 plays 16, 2 plays 15, 3 plays 14..and so on).   We would each then vote on who we think would win each matchup—until there is a winner. 16 teams first round, 8 teams second round, 4 teams third round, 2 in the fourth round, and then our champion.  

What are your thoughts on that? Is that cool—or too much work?


Really appreciate that. I'm on board if everyone else is. 

 
8.17 Josh Hart SG Pels

Another starter for our bench.  I feel like he should be long gone, but I didn't see him on the sheet. 
Love this pick—but I hate you for taking him—because I was hoping he’d fall.  His outside shot is streaky—but he’s a beast on the boards for somebody his size. He’s also a Swiss Army knife when it comes to his defensive ability. You could put him on the opposing point guard, shooting guard, small forward, and possibly even some undersized power forwards—and he’d do a solid job.  I feel like he’s one of those players that would fit well within most systems. 

 
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8.20 - SG Gary Trent, Jr. TOR - Best scorer left on the board and he can come of the bench and get some buckets.  He's shooting 37.4% from 3 (which is below his career avg of 38.8%) and just came off a game high 32 pts in a win over Charlotte.

9.01 - PG/SG De'Anthony Melton MEM - He's struggled a bit offensively, but I need a good defensive guard off the bench that can also run the point and he is as solid as there is remaining.

Now I sit and wait to take Mr. Irrelevant.

@The Gator
Now these picks I like. Both on my short list to round out the squad. Damn you.

 
9.04 or whatever Herb Jones - Pels

Best Wing defender in the NBA/Octopus

Keeping the theme of having actual NBA starters on our bench. I have been passing on this guy since round five when it was down to him or Cade.  Gambled that he would slide.  Very pleased with this one. Seven foot wingspans are cool.

 
9.04 or whatever Herb Jones - Pels

Best Wing defender in the NBA/Octopus

Keeping the theme of having actual NBA starters on our bench. I have been passing on this guy since round five when it was down to him or Cade.  Gambled that he would slide.  Very pleased with this one. Seven foot wingspans are cool.
It’s official. I truly hate you.  It’s like you somehow got a copy of my player list and are taunting me by picking them one by one. Aside from that—we’re good tho. 

 
Long 6'8" defender who can man any of the front court spots. He's efficient on offense, shoots 40% from three both this season and career, grabs boards, and is second on his team in steals-per-36. 

8.05: Otto Porter Jr., forward, Golden State
 

@scoobus

 
Best wing defender in the nba?
While it might sound like a stretch—it’s not by much. Herb Jones is legit one of the league’s top defenders even as a rookie.  The Pels were like 1-11 to start the season.  Since then they are pretty much a 0.500 team—and one of the reasons they started playing exceptionally better is starting Herb Jones.  The kid is legit on the defensive end of the court—and he provides some offense too. 

 
8.06 Torrey Craig

Need a defense/energy guy for the second unit, can cover multiple positions, never stops hustling, always cutting on offense, can hit a 3. Played on both NBA finals teams last year, was in the WCF with the Nuggets the year before that.

 
Long 6'8" defender who can man any of the front court spots. He's efficient on offense, shoots 40% from three both this season and career, grabs boards, and is second on his team in steals-per-36. 

8.05: Otto Porter Jr., forward, Golden State
 

@scoobus
Nobody draft yet.  Otto porter was already drafted I believe. Let me check the list. It somebody else wants to verify along with me—that’d probably be a good idea. 

 
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@Doug B

I believe Otto porter was selected by facook. Pick 144 on the spread sheet .  As long as you didn’t want Torrey Craig—we are good. The pick is back to you

 
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jvdesigns2002 said:
@Doug B

I believe Otto porter was selected by fakook. Pick 144 on the spread sheet .  As long as you didn’t want Torrey Craig—we are good. The pick is back to you


Yeah, sorry, he's taken.

fakook.  Really?

 

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