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2022 New York Football Giants (under new management of Schoen & Daboll) (3 Viewers)

kodycutter

Footballguy
now that's the monk i know.

no Neal and Bellinger hurt this game. Richie's 1st fumble killed our momentum and then his 2nd killed our chances. WR room might be the worst in the league. Thibodeaux needs to learn some inside moves. he does get held a lot, imo, not getting the calls as a rookie.
 

renesauz

IBL Representative
Disgusting !! Giants looked absolutely pathetic today ... 6-11 is not out of the questions
I've never seen so many players look so indecisive with he ball in their hands as I did today
Barkley was horrible indecisive and went down like he was about 150lb RB! James disgustingly bad indecisive and baby hands! Jones ran at all of the wrong times and didnt run when he should have! That Terrible TE Tanner Hudson ... didnt know to get out of bounds twice!! Marcus Johnson cant catch anything 1 of 6 targets and all of them hit hom in the hands.
Also, and I hate to say it, Kayvon Thibodeaux kinda sux. He runs full speed around the blockers and takes himself out of the play. He has no power or pass rush skill and relies 100% on speed rush

Thank God for the Bye week ... Giants need to get WR help somehow
While I thought the Giants were getting far too much credit for their record coming into today (and predicted they'd lose this week)....this take is over the top the other way. Giants are young and vastly improved. They COMPETE every week, and this Eagles fan is impressed. I think they still win 9-10 games and are in the WC hunt late season (barring too many key injuries of course), and I would think most Giants fans would have been happy with that result before the season started
 

IrishTwinkie

Footballguy
At 6-1 this team was a mirage. If Parcell's "you are what your record says you are" is a rule, this team is the exception to that rule. They are still not a good team. Their defense is filled with practice squad quality players and the WR corps sucks eggs. It is tough make a consistent living winning 1 score games. Last year's teams wouldn't even have competed yesterday. This one did until James got concussed. That is improvement. For me, that is all I wanted this year. They've already won the season as far as I am concerned.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. They have much work left to cut out all the Reese/Gett rot. 1 offseaon is not nearly enough.
 
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Rubi

Footballguy
6-2 going into the bye in a rebuild year! I'll take it! Jones is on an island,no receivers to stretch the field,Seattle was crowding the line all day to keep him and Barkley from running on them and they still were in the game well into the fourth quarter against a hot team playing in one of the toughest places to play in the league. 6-11? With Houston,Carolina and two against The Washington Team?
No way. If they can get just a little healthier and maybe pull a trade for a decent deep threat without giving up too much draft capital the playoffs are not out of the question.
 
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The Frankman

Footballguy
The thing that I think is funny is that the team's WR room has always been full of backups this year and the "bend don't break D" has always been suspect. Yet after a loss when the Giants' blueprint of "make no mistakes/hang around until the 4th/somehow win the game?" doesn't work, the takes are suddenly different?

Look, this team isn't "fraudulent"; they're competed hard and don't give up despite their youth and limited talent. However, they operate in a very narrow spectrum of success; they cannot make too mistakes on O, they need Barkley and the run game to be successful, Daniel Jones has to have success in limited opportunities, and more specifically they can't turn the ball over. Look at the last 4-5 Giants wins and they all had tons of that blueprint where they were in it in the 4th and won... then in the Seattle game we saw a) Barkley have tough sledding out there (20/53/1, 3/9), you had b) Jones having to pass way more than you would have liked and not having much success, and that was because c) Richie James two unfortunate turnovers forced the team way out of script. Injuries didn't help the situation, with Hudson not remotely looking like an effective Bellinger replacement. At the end of the day unless a big WR trade happens, the D markedly improves or the Giants sign Kiko Jones Parker Jankovich Jones Parker III as a walk-on, this is how the Giants will have to compete in most games.
 

monk

Footballguy
The thing that I think is funny is that the team's WR room has always been full of backups this year and the "bend don't break D" has always been suspect. Yet after a loss when the Giants' blueprint of "make no mistakes/hang around until the 4th/somehow win the game?" doesn't work, the takes are suddenly different?

Look, this team isn't "fraudulent"; they're competed hard and don't give up despite their youth and limited talent. However, they operate in a very narrow spectrum of success; they cannot make too mistakes on O, they need Barkley and the run game to be successful, Daniel Jones has to have success in limited opportunities, and more specifically they can't turn the ball over. Look at the last 4-5 Giants wins and they all had tons of that blueprint where they were in it in the 4th and won... then in the Seattle game we saw a) Barkley have tough sledding out there (20/53/1, 3/9), you had b) Jones having to pass way more than you would have liked and not having much success, and that was because c) Richie James two unfortunate turnovers forced the team way out of script. Injuries didn't help the situation, with Hudson not remotely looking like an effective Bellinger replacement. At the end of the day unless a big WR trade happens, the D markedly improves or the Giants sign Kiko Jones Parker Jankovich Jones Parker III as a walk-on, this is how the Giants will have to compete in most games.
I though the Giants had a terrible game plan and looked totally unprpaired on offense. Everyone that touhced ball looked indecisive. It was the indecisiveness that lead to both of James fumbles. Barkley was the worst he's been this year bouncing around in the backfield, going down with minimal contact and dropping easy passes ... it was really strange how bad he looked. They were playing one of the worst defenses in the NFL and had 3 and outs on their first 3 possessions for the first time since, ironically Geno Smiths only Giants start in 2017.
  • Seattle had been terrible against the run ... but the Giants came out throwing to there no name WRs.
  • 1st 3 possessions - Pass Pass Pass Punt / Pass Pass Pass Punt / Run Pass Pass Punt
  • 11 targets to Tanner Hudson and Marcus Johnson just 3 to Wendale Robinson
Coaching to me looked complacent ... no tickery, nothing fancy, now that I think about it I'm not even sure if they were running typical RPOs that has been so successful. I recall Jones passes out the pocket most of the time
 

Rubi

Footballguy
Interesting presser with Schoen. We're building for tomorrow while being competative today. Open to bringing back OBJ if he's healthy. Just under 3 million in cap room this year turns into just under 70 million next year. Decisions on Barkley and Jones will wait until the rest of the season plays out,as is the case with every player. Refreshing to see a GM with a plan and implementing it and explaining it,instead of one who throws darts at a board blindfolded.
 

The Frankman

Footballguy

The Athletic: Why Giants, GM Joe Schoen decided to stay quiet at trade deadline despite hot start, Part 1

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — When Dave Gettleman saw a hole on the Giants’ roster, he tried to fill it. No cost was too high and no draft picks were too valuable for the former Giants general manager. The long-term view took a backseat to the present, as Gettleman flailed around with big swings to transform the Giants into contenders. Four years with an impulsive general manager produced a 19-46 record and a mess that was inherited by successor Joe Schoen. Schoen has taken a measured approach in his aim to rebuild the Giants into a sustainable winner. So not even a surprising 6-2 start inspired the first-year GM to abandon his plan at Tuesday’s trade deadline, which passed without a move despite the Giants’ obvious need for an upgrade at wide receiver. “Part of my job and our personnel staff is to assign value to players,” Schoen said. “If you’re going to trade for a player, what value are you comfortable with? We had several conversations with teams on multiple positions, and the price point didn’t match up, and things just didn’t work out.” Schoen is diligent in exploring trades that add or subtract from the roster. In fact, he said discussions started as far back as August with some of the trade targets linked to the Giants in recent days. But when the deadline neared, Schoen stood firm. This isn’t a go-for-broke situation, no matter how starved fans are for Schoen to maximize the team’s impressive first half. It’s instructive that Schoen’s most formative stretch came during the past five years as the Bills’ assistant general manager. The Bills exceeded expectations by going 9-7 and snapping a 17-year playoff drought in Schoen’s first season in Buffalo. Schoen was part of the front office that then offloaded veterans, including quarterback Tyrod Taylor, and went all-in to trade up for QB Josh Allen in the 2018 draft. The Bills took a step back with a 6-10 record in Allen’s rookie season. They’ve since made the playoffs three straight years and are the prohibitive favorite to win the Super Bowl this season. There are no guarantees Schoen will follow that exact blueprint. But it’s easy to see parallels between the situations to this point. That experience in Buffalo likely helped Schoen resist the urge to, in his word, be “reckless” with premium future assets in an attempt upgrade a roster that is more than one player away from serious Super Bowl contention. Here are additional thoughts on the trade deadline and Schoen’s midseason news conference.

Analyzing the WR trade market

Two wide receivers were traded on Tuesday: Pittsburgh’s Chase Claypool and Atlanta’s Calvin Ridley. Ridley was acquired by the Jaguars in a deal that involves complex draft compensation since he’s suspended for the season. It was a creative move for a talented player with baggage, but he wouldn’t have helped the Giants this season due to the suspension. So the Claypool deal is the only data for the market for a wide receiver who would have helped these Giants. The 2020 second-round pick was sent to the Bears for a 2023 second-round pick. If the Giants wanted Claypool — and there have been no indications they were serious suitors — they would have needed to top the Bears’ offer. Since the 3-5 Bears are destined to finish higher in the draft order, the Giants would have needed to add another pick to sweeten the pot, and they obviously weren’t interested.

There were reports the Giants had interest in Broncos wide receiver Jerry Jeudy. But the 2020 first-round pick stayed in Denver, so no team met the Broncos’ asking price. Jeudy was the object of affection for many Giants fans, who seemed willing to overlook that he’s a flawed player who hasn’t lived up to his draft stock.
Jeudy’s 55.6 percent catch rate ranks 165th in the league this season, which is 11.1 percent behind the Giants’ Darius Slayton. It’s not just the low catch rate that’s concerning with Jeudy. He just hasn’t been particularly productive. Continuing the Slayton comparison, the Giants’ 2019 fifth-round pick had 110 catches for 1,681 yards and 12 touchdowns in his first 34 games. Jeudy has 120 catches for 1,772 yards and six touchdowns through the first 34 games of his career. It’s hard to see Jeudy as a player that would have had a transformational impact on the NFL’s 30th ranked passing offense. The Broncos were believed to be seeking at least a second-round pick for Jeudy, who is signed through the 2023 season on his rookie contract. It’s not hard to imagine Schoen’s valuation determined that the Giants would be better served trying to find a wide receiver of similar talent in the second round of the 2023 draft. That player would have four years of organizational control and would not require a significant contract extension in the near future.

WR help coming?

Schoen’s discipline may be admirable, but it did nothing to upgrade the weakest wide receiver corps in the league. Schoen said he’s hopeful Kenny Golladay, who has been sidelined by a sprained MCL since Week 4, will return for the Giants’ post-bye matchup with the Texans in Week 10. Counting on anything from Golladay, who has two catches for 22 yards in four games this season, is a fool’s errand. So if the Giants want to add a wide receiver of consequence at this stage, a street free agent is the main avenue. The most notable name on the market is Odell Beckham Jr. The former Giants star’s recent visit to his old team’s headquarters created a stir, but Schoen said he didn’t know Beckham had been in the building until after he departed. Schoen kept the door open to reunion, but noted that he doesn’t know where Beckham is at in his recovery from the torn ACL he suffered in the Super Bowl in February. Beckham’s health is a critical piece of the equation, as there have been reports that he could be ready as early as mid-November, while some sources believe he won’t be cleared until December. The other factor is money. The Giants don’t have much of it ($3.1 million in cap space), and Beckham is going to want more than the minimum. There was a report Beckham wanted an offer similar to the five-year, $57.5 million deal Dallas gave Michael Gallup coming off a torn ACL. Though anything that rich seems unlikely at this point, Beckham made it clear that he didn’t return to the Rams because of a lowball offer. A reunion would be a compelling story and maybe it could happen in the offseason. But its appears highly unlikely Beckham will be returning to the Giants this season. Regardless of what the Giants do at wide receiver for the final nine weeks of this season, they’re going to need to address the position for the future. The upcoming free-agent class looks particularly weak at the position, so that could have made a young receiver under contract like Jeudy or Claypool more appealing. But it’s important to keep in mind that the draft has been producing impact receivers annually. The Bills drafted Gabe Davis, who has 17 touchdowns in three seasons, in the fourth round of the 2020 draft when Schoen was in Buffalo. Schoen was also in Buffalo for the franchise-altering trade for Stefon Diggs during the 2020 offseason. Big-time wide receivers have been on the move frequently in recent offseasons — Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill, A.J. Brown, Marquise Brown and Amari Cooper last offseason alone — so if trading for a receiver is part of the plan, it could make more sense to hold onto picks until the spring when teams are more willing to make major deals.
 

The Frankman

Footballguy
Part 2:
Moving on from Toney
There was one other pre-deadline trade involving a wide receiver. Of course, that was with the Giants doing the trading when they shipped 2021 first-round pick Kadarius Toney to the Chiefs for third- and sixth-round picks last Thursday. Schoen echoed coach Brian Daboll’s line that the trade was the “best decision for the organization.” It raised eyebrows when Toney, who was sidelined for his final five weeks as a Giant with hamstring injuries, declared himself healthy after the trade. Schoen supported that claim, saying that the plan was for Toney to return to practice on the day the trade was executed

Saquon Barkley’s future

When asked about Saquon Barkley, Schoen’s response seemed like a calculated effort not to provide any ammunition the running back’s agent could use in contract negotiations. Schoen mentioned that it’s “a team game” and gave some credit to the blocking of the offensive line and wide receivers for helping Barkley become the second-leading rusher in the NFL.

It will be fascinating to see how Schoen approaches Barkley’s future since Buffalo hasn’t placed a premium on running backs. But Schoen obviously values what Barkley has provided in the final year of his rookie contract. When asked if he received calls about trading away any players, Schoen said he received a call on one player on Monday. Schoen said his response was “a hard no.” Schoen wouldn’t divulge the identity of the player, but Barkley is the most likely candidate, as it’s feasible that a team may have checked in to see if the Giants were interested in dumping the running back if they don’t plan to sign him long-term.

Daniel Jones’ future

Schoen was complimentary of Daniel Jones, but emphasized that the quarterback has only played eight games with this regime. Schoen said there’s an ongoing evaluation and noted that there are still nine games remaining. It was interesting that Schoen answered, “No,” when asked if there were more building blocks on the roster than he thought previously. Considering the Giants declined Jones’ fifth-year option during the offseason, that response could indicate Schoen’s view of the quarterback hasn’t changed significantly.

• Schoen said he’ll have meetings this week about possibly extending some players. Jones and Barkley are each in the final year of their contracts, but those decisions and negotiations figure to be too complicated to get hammered out in the next few days. Defensive lineman Dexter Lawrence and safety Julian Love make the most sense as potential extension candidates. Schoen said he wants to end any discussions by the start of next week, because he doesn’t want contract negotiations to become a distraction when the players return from their bye.

An honest evaluation

A looming question over the Giants’ start is if they can sustain their style of play. Their first seven games were all decided by one possession, and they went 6-1 in those games. Schoen pointed to the team’s record in those close games and is obviously hopeful they can continue to squeak out wins. But he acknowledged they have areas that need to improve. “You have to step back and honestly evaluate the roster, too,” Schoen said. “You can get caught up in the, ‘Hey, we won the game.’ But we were also down 17-3 in the game at some point. You’ve got to step back and look at it for what it is.” That was arguably the most revealing comment of Schoen’s 27-minute news conference. Though excited by the team’s start, he’s not getting carried away with seemingly being ahead of schedule in what he expects to be a deliberate rebuild. Schoen and Daboll have stressed “process over results” since they took over, so that mindset can’t get thrown out the window just because the team has won a few more games than expected. Schoen said the coaching staff has “done a hell of a job.” If there’s anything Schoen can extrapolate from this start, it’s that he seemed to get the coaching hire(s) right. If this staff can produce results with this roster, the ceiling will be high when Schoen is able to fortify some of the weak spots that are currently being schemed around.


A longer look at the young guys

Schoen said he’s “constantly” telling Daboll to get rookies more playing time. Though Schoen and Daboll are on the same page, coaches tend to lean toward veterans. So Schoen is doing the prodding to get rookies on the field in the interest of long-term development. That probably explains why Joshua Ezeudu opened the season in a rotation at left guard and that Cor’Dale Flott initially started over veteran Fabian Moreau at cornerback when Aaron Robinson missed time. Micah McFadden was in the linebacker mix early in the season, but he was sent to the bench after a rough series against the Packers in Week 5. The fifth-round pick resurfaced in Sunday’s game against the Seahawks, and it’s not hard to imagine his return to the lineup was the result of a nudge from Schoen. “Coach (Bill) Parcells used to say to me: ‘The quickest way for a head coach to get fired is not develop young talent,’” Schoen said.

Salary cap woes

It will be tough for the Giants to make it through the final nine weeks of the season without restructuring another contract to create cap space. The cost of replacements for players on injured reserve and practice squad elevations add up, even with the Giants maintaining an open spot on their 53-man roster to save money most weeks. What’s tricky is that the Giants have already restructured the contracts of defensive lineman Leonard Williams, cornerback Adoree’ Jackson and kicker Graham Gano as much as possible, so there’s nothing left to squeeze from those players. Golladay is the one player with a big enough base salary ($13 million) that the team could convert into a bonus to create some space. So at some point later in the season, Schoen will likely have to hold his nose and push more money into the future to count as dead money when Golladay is surely cut in the offseason. Schoen indicated that his hope is to make any restructure as minimal as possible, so he’ll likely hold off and only convert as much as needed to stay under the cap.

Scouting report

Schoen has been on the road most weekends scouting college prospects in-person, often attending two games on the same day. Schoen gets a report from the scouting staff with the top 10 prospects at each position each week. His goal is to scout all 100 of those players in-person during the season, so he should have personal evaluations on the top four rounds before the pre-draft process starts. The Giants currently have nine picks — one in each round except for the third (two picks) and seventh (two picks). They’re projected to pick up two compensatory picks — one in the sixth round and one in the seventh round. Schoen was protective of those assets at the trade deadline, so he now has plenty of ammo to use this offseason to upgrade the roster.
 

Rubi

Footballguy
Just a note to mention the passing of Judy Coughlin after a long illness. A classy member of The Giants family. Rest in Peace and condolences to our Super Bowl winning coach.
 

Rubi

Footballguy
What are the optimists and pessimists predicting for the rest of the season as we come out of the bye week?

My optimist says- 12-5
My pessimist says- 9-8

What say you all?
 

kodycutter

Footballguy

“During our bye week, I went away to Cabo,” McKinney said in his statement. “While there, I joined a group for a guided sight-seeing tour on ATVs. Unfortunately, I had an accident and injured my hand. The injury will keep me sidelined for a few weeks. I will do everything I can to get back as quickly as possible so I can contribute to what we’re building here in NY.”
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Ian Rapoport

@RapSheet
"In other news... #Giants S Xavier McKinney suffered a broken hand while on vacation during the bye week, source said, and now will miss several weeks."

FFS, man.
 
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monk

Footballguy

“During our bye week, I went away to Cabo,” McKinney said in his statement. “While there, I joined a group for a guided sight-seeing tour on ATVs. Unfortunately, I had an accident and injured my hand. The injury will keep me sidelined for a few weeks. I will do everything I can to get back as quickly as possible so I can contribute to what we’re building here in NY.”
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Ian Rapoport

@RapSheet
"In other news... #Giants S Xavier McKinney suffered a broken hand while on vacation during the bye week, source said, and now will miss several weeks."

FFS, man.
F***!
Thank God we signed Landon Collins

By the way ... No Giant gets injured for a couple/few weeks. Hope he's back before the end of the season!
 
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kodycutter

Footballguy
This one really stinks. X has played very well and is our on field play caller. green dot goes to someone else now.
 

kodycutter

Footballguy
New York Giants
@giants

Xavier McKinney has been placed on Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Nicholas Williams has been placed on Reserve/Injured
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Not much reinforcements for breathers for Dexter and Leonard with Williams placed on IR.
 
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Rubi

Footballguy
9-8 would be an overachievement for this roster. I would take it!
Cynthia Freelund on NFL Network,all analytics,put out projected win totals for every team for the ROS,Giants were just over 10 wins and IN the playoffs.
One game at a time Gents! One game at a time!
Let's take care of the Texans this week.
We haven't been able to talk about ROS in a positive way in a long time. We've been using words like "number 3" "number 5" "top ten pick". It's refreshing to use the "P" word.
Yes,one game at a time. But to quote Mr. Mora. "Playoffs!....Playoffs?!"
 

The Frankman

Footballguy
We all want to see our guys produce, but let's be careful not to make up false narratives about the players. That's already happening with Kadarius Toney on some forums...
 

IrishTwinkie

Footballguy
Anyway, good win. They arent good enough to dominate, but they won wire to wire over a team they should have beaten. Lots of positive signs in this one.
 

monk

Footballguy
We all want to see our guys produce, but let's be careful not to make up false narratives about the players. That's already happening with Kadarius Toney on some forums...
Be careful ??? Why?? We dont want to hurt his feelings?
Whether he whined or not ... Golladay sucks and that's a problem. He's been given every opprotunity to earn his massive conrtact and he keeps finding different ways to blow it.
1st he couldnt get separation, then he gets injured constantly and now he forgot how to do the only thing he was signed for ... Catch the F***ing ball.

And Toney? Poor Toneys is getting a bad rap too?? How bout Dre Baker ... you forgot your boy?
 

monk

Footballguy
Anyway, good win. They arent good enough to dominate, but they won wire to wire over a team they should have beaten. Lots of positive signs in this one.
Good win but dissappointed with the conservative approach they took they entire 2nd half. They overused Barkley in a game that the passing was very effective ... they should have passed a bit more. Defensively they got lucky with a couple of turnovers inside the 5 yd line. It was way to easy for HOU to drive down the filed whenever they wanted.
 

The Frankman

Footballguy
We all want to see our guys produce, but let's be careful not to make up false narratives about the players. That's already happening with Kadarius Toney on some forums...
Be careful ??? Why?? We dont want to hurt his feelings?
Whether he whined or not ... Golladay sucks and that's a problem. He's been given every opprotunity to earn his massive conrtact and he keeps finding different ways to blow it.
1st he couldnt get separation, then he gets injured constantly and now he forgot how to do the only thing he was signed for ... Catch the F***ing ball.

And Toney? Poor Toneys is getting a bad rap too?? How bout Dre Baker ... you forgot your boy?
... just because he sucks doesn't mean you make stuff up about a person (not saying IrishTwinkie did). I've already read on other forums Toney a) fought with a coach (thread was deleted) b) was somehow a bad influence on other younger players, which was not true. GM Joe Schoen already cleared the air on Toney about that.
 

IrishTwinkie

Footballguy
We all want to see our guys produce, but let's be careful not to make up false narratives about the players. That's already happening with Kadarius Toney on some forums...
Be careful ??? Why?? We dont want to hurt his feelings?
Whether he whined or not ... Golladay sucks and that's a problem. He's been given every opprotunity to earn his massive conrtact and he keeps finding different ways to blow it.
1st he couldnt get separation, then he gets injured constantly and now he forgot how to do the only thing he was signed for ... Catch the F***ing ball.

And Toney? Poor Toneys is getting a bad rap too?? How bout Dre Baker ... you forgot your boy?
... just because he sucks doesn't mean you make stuff up about a person (not saying IrishTwinkie did). I've already read on other forums Toney a) fought with a coach (thread was deleted) b) was somehow a bad influence on other younger players, which was not true. GM Joe Schoen already cleared the air on Toney about that.
Its all cool w/me. I don't assume everyone read what I did. Like I said, the tone of the article rubbed me the wrong way. Couple it with the total lack of production and it is hard for me to take. But I can also appreciate that the press is not always an honest broker here and they'll try to stir stuff up if it they can. I am pretty sure Strahan once called a reporter to the carpet for asking a "When did you stop beating your wife" type question years ago. (I am pretty sure it was Strahan. Yeah, I know, I am dating myself).

I am not sure what Toney's deal was. I'll admit to seeing the highlight of his touch down and wondering if he pulled his hammy on it. I didn't get the whole one legged hop into the end zone thing. For what ever the reason, his relationship with the team/coaches/Giants wasn't what it should have been. Unless peeps were there, they can only guess what really happened there.
 

Yenrub

Footballguy
35 carries for Barkley today! Is that a career high? He wasn’t used much in the passing game today.

DJ didn’t turn the ball over so that was good.

Golladay seems like he has whatever it was that Chuck Knoblauch had going on when he couldn’t make a throw to 1stfrom 2nd back in the day.

The defense was uneven today. Can’t complain about them holding Houston to 3 of 10 on 3rd downs but they did give up a few too many chunk plays today. Big Dex & Leo played well up front today.
 

monk

Footballguy
Not to pile on ... but here is what Golladay had to say after the game ...

So what did Golladay have to say after the game? Not much, according to Slater. A sampling:
  • Did he agree with the benching: “It really don’t matter.”
  • How did he feel about it: “Yeah, I’m going to just keep that to myself.”
  • Does he believe he should’ve been on the field in the second half Sunday: “I’m going to keep that comment to myself.”
  • Does he expect to be involved in this offense for the rest of the season: “We’ll see.”
  • Are expectations from his $72 million contract wearing on him: “Nah.”
  • Does he see himself returning to the Giants next season: “Who knows?”
I think it's fair to say that's whiney.
 
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monk

Footballguy
Anyone else think Giants should be trying to resign Slayton to an extension before he becomes a FA???
He's easily the best WR on this team despite the drops.
  • Shep is done
  • Yung Joka is gone
  • Golladay is Terrible
  • Wan'dale Robinson has been pretty unipressive
Slayton is the only WR on this team who can be considered a legit NFL WR
 

monk

Footballguy
Daniel Jones — Jones went 13 of 17 (76.4 percent completions) for 197 yards and 2 touchdowns. He ran for 24 yards. He ended the game with a 153.3 passer rating. Pro Football Focus listed him with an 88.7 adjusted completion percentage. (I guess this assumes 15-17 if the 2 drops were caught)

- Jones did have one of his worst misses of the season when he threw behind Slayton who was wide open across the middle. But his misses are few and far between ... his been pretty damn accurate this year
 

Moniker

Footballguy
Not to pile on ... but here is what Golladay had to say after the game ...

So what did Golladay have to say after the game? Not much, according to Slater. A sampling:
  • Did he agree with the benching: “It really don’t matter.”
  • How did he feel about it: “Yeah, I’m going to just keep that to myself.”
  • Does he believe he should’ve been on the field in the second half Sunday: “I’m going to keep that comment to myself.”
  • Does he expect to be involved in this offense for the rest of the season: “We’ll see.”
  • Are expectations from his $72 million contract wearing on him: “Nah.”
  • Does he see himself returning to the Giants next season: “Who knows?”
I think it's fair to say that's whiney.
That is the exact opposite of whiney. That's truthful frustration.
 

IrishTwinkie

Footballguy
Truthful perhaps. I’d would have liked to see him own some of it. Toss in something like “I gotta make that catch in that situation. I let the team down and that’s on me.”

It is not like Dabs is doing this out of spite. He will play anyone who will catch the ball. It not like the position is stacked with talent. The doghouse visit will be short if Galloway shows any ability to catch. It was a dreadful miss.
 

monk

Footballguy
Not to pile on ... but here is what Golladay had to say after the game ...

So what did Golladay have to say after the game? Not much, according to Slater. A sampling:
  • Did he agree with the benching: “It really don’t matter.”
  • How did he feel about it: “Yeah, I’m going to just keep that to myself.”
  • Does he believe he should’ve been on the field in the second half Sunday: “I’m going to keep that comment to myself.”
  • Does he expect to be involved in this offense for the rest of the season: “We’ll see.”
  • Are expectations from his $72 million contract wearing on him: “Nah.”
  • Does he see himself returning to the Giants next season: “Who knows?”
I think it's fair to say that's whiney.
That is the exact opposite of whiney. That's truthful frustration.
This is the opposite of Whiney
  • Did he agree with the benching: "I gotta catch those balls ... Thats what I'm paid to do"
  • How did he feel about it: “I'm not happy about it ... I gotta do a better job.”
  • Does he believe he should’ve been on the field in the second half Sunday: “I always want to be on the field, I need to work through this and help the team .”
  • Does he expect to be involved in this offense for the rest of the season: “I hope so ... I'm going to work harder to make sure that i am.”
  • Are expectations from his $72 million contract wearing on him: “Nah.” I'm a competitor. .. I more worried letting myself and my team down"
  • Does he see himself returning to the Giants next season: “Who knows?”
 

kodycutter

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Chris Myarick, Lawrence Cager, Elijah Penny, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Kyle Rudolph, Dante Pettis, Andrew Thomas.

What do they all have in common?
 

monk

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Chris Myarick, Lawrence Cager, Elijah Penny, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Kyle Rudolph, Dante Pettis, Andrew Thomas.

What do they all have in common?
As many or more receiving TDs for the Giants than 2021 1st Round bust WR Kodarius Toney and 2021 Big FA agent aquisition Kenny Golladay have combined since 2021?
Prob not the answer you were looking for but True none the less
 

kodycutter

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Chris Myarick, Lawrence Cager, Elijah Penny, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Kyle Rudolph, Dante Pettis, Andrew Thomas.

What do they all have in common?
More career receiving TD's as a NYG then our $72mm man Kenny Golladay. And monk is correct also, throw Toney in there too.
 

kodycutter

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Monday roster moves:

Signed defensive lineman Henry Mondeaux off its practice squad and activated cornerback Rodarius Williams from injured reserve.

Tackle Devery Hamilton and defensive back Justin Layne were released.

Terminated the practice squad contract of tackle Will Holden.
 

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