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Oh and Detroit is much improved? They’ve given up the third most yards and the second most points through two weeks.
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Yes. Defensively, they have a lot to work on. Their secondary is hot garbage. But their front 7 is improved. They also have put up 35+ 2 weeks in a row. That is much improved.Oh and Detroit is much improved? They’ve given up the third most yards and the second most points through two weeks.
Yes. Defensively, they have a lot to work on. Their secondary is hot garbage. But their front 7 is improved. They also have put up 35+ 2 weeks in a row. That is much improved.Oh and Detroit is much improved? They’ve given up the third most yards and the second most points through two weeks.
Also 2 teams with QBs that are known for their elusive running abilities. Last year Josh Allen ran 122 times for 763 yards. Hurts was 139 for 784. Does anyone dispute Josh Allen can win a SB?I don't see how you can watch the first 2 games of the season and call Hurts a "RB playing QB". I also disagree with you on your whole take of needing a dominant D, Massive O-line and bruising RB, with the QB passing no more than 20x per game. That's outdated. BUF and KC are the top teams in the NFL- that's the blueprint every team is chasing now.
I said they sold out on blitzes and pressure on hurts, and he killed them with his legs. Contrast that with how MIN dared him to beat them with his arm, and he did.Yes. Defensively, they have a lot to work on. Their secondary is hot garbage. But their front 7 is improved. They also have put up 35+ 2 weeks in a row. That is much improved.Oh and Detroit is much improved? They’ve given up the third most yards and the second most points through two weeks.
OK. You brought up Detroit as a barometer to judge Hurts.
In their first year as full-time starters:You compared Josh Allen’s rushing stats to Jalen hurts, now compare their passing stats.
Ouch.In their first year as full-time starters:You compared Josh Allen’s rushing stats to Jalen hurts, now compare their passing stats.
Allen 58.8% completion, 3089 yds, 20 TDs, 6.7 Y/A
Hurts 61.3% completion, 3144 yds, 16 TDs, 7.3 Y/A
Hurts in his 2nd year, which is when JA made his big leap. Hurts appears to be making a big improvement. The rest of the season will tell if its enough.
In his 2nd year, Allen's completion percentage jumped to 69.2%Ouch.In their first year as full-time starters:You compared Josh Allen’s rushing stats to Jalen hurts, now compare their passing stats.
Allen 58.8% completion, 3089 yds, 20 TDs, 6.7 Y/A
Hurts 61.3% completion, 3144 yds, 16 TDs, 7.3 Y/A
Hurts in his 2nd year, which is when JA made his big leap. Hurts appears to be making a big improvement. The rest of the season will tell if its enough.
Josh Allen will not win a Super Bowl. With that completion percentage now I know why he runs so much. He’s Cam Newton.
I can confirm that the Bills did not win the 2019 Super Bowl.Ouch.In their first year as full-time starters:You compared Josh Allen’s rushing stats to Jalen hurts, now compare their passing stats.
Allen 58.8% completion, 3089 yds, 20 TDs, 6.7 Y/A
Hurts 61.3% completion, 3144 yds, 16 TDs, 7.3 Y/A
Hurts in his 2nd year, which is when JA made his big leap. Hurts appears to be making a big improvement. The rest of the season will tell if its enough.
Josh Allen will not win a Super Bowl. With that completion percentage now I know why he runs so much. He’s Cam Newton.
I said they sold out on blitzes and pressure on hurts, and he killed them with his legs. Contrast that with how MIN dared him to beat them with his arm, and he did.Yes. Defensively, they have a lot to work on. Their secondary is hot garbage. But their front 7 is improved. They also have put up 35+ 2 weeks in a row. That is much improved.Oh and Detroit is much improved? They’ve given up the third most yards and the second most points through two weeks.
OK. You brought up Detroit as a barometer to judge Hurts.
"It's like you didn't read anything I wrote."
I can confirm that the Bills did not win the 2019 Super Bowl.Ouch.In their first year as full-time starters:You compared Josh Allen’s rushing stats to Jalen hurts, now compare their passing stats.
Allen 58.8% completion, 3089 yds, 20 TDs, 6.7 Y/A
Hurts 61.3% completion, 3144 yds, 16 TDs, 7.3 Y/A
Hurts in his 2nd year, which is when JA made his big leap. Hurts appears to be making a big improvement. The rest of the season will tell if its enough.
Josh Allen will not win a Super Bowl. With that completion percentage now I know why he runs so much. He’s Cam Newton.
I would like to see them get rid of the RPOs. The occasional bootleg and QB sneak to pick up short yardage is fine and of course his scrambling ability. But I could do without the designed RPOs.I think we all know the running QB's need to eventually be able to beat the blitz with the arm, or they'll be done by 30. I think we all realize what Hurts is doing right now isnt sustainable.
But..
- He has shown so far in two games that he is throwing better. Still running yes, but also throwing better. Is it enough?
He doesn't need to be a finished product in year 3. but this is his second year in the same system, and QB's usually show you who they are then. So we'll get a good idea by the end of the season.
Wasn't Josh Allen exactly this when he came out? A mobile QB who was inacurate, had mechanics that needed fixed? Weren't there signiifcant odubts as to whether he'd ever be a good pocket passer? (Hint; THE ANSWER IS YES). What Allen did have was a good arm, and some thought he could improve the other stuff, and they were p[roven correct.I stand by my statements above on quarterback philosophy. I want a guy who is a naturally gifted passer as his number one asset over mobility. It doesn’t mean I don’t want my quarterback to be mobile, I just don’t want it to be what got them to the dance because historically they get their **** pushed in in the playoffs.
WOW....those were first year Allen numbers...before anyone was sold on him either.Ouch.In their first year as full-time starters:You compared Josh Allen’s rushing stats to Jalen hurts, now compare their passing stats.
Allen 58.8% completion, 3089 yds, 20 TDs, 6.7 Y/A
Hurts 61.3% completion, 3144 yds, 16 TDs, 7.3 Y/A
Hurts in his 2nd year, which is when JA made his big leap. Hurts appears to be making a big improvement. The rest of the season will tell if its enough.
Josh Allen will not win a Super Bowl. With that completion percentage now I know why he runs so much. He’s Cam Newton.
I agree with this. Really don't wanna see more then 1 or 2 of those a game. Use them in important spots, not second and 7 from midfieldI would like to see them get rid of the RPOs. The occasional bootleg and QB sneak to pick up short yardage is fine and of course his scrambling ability. But I could do without the designed RPOs.I think we all know the running QB's need to eventually be able to beat the blitz with the arm, or they'll be done by 30. I think we all realize what Hurts is doing right now isnt sustainable.
But..
- He has shown so far in two games that he is throwing better. Still running yes, but also throwing better. Is it enough?
He doesn't need to be a finished product in year 3. but this is his second year in the same system, and QB's usually show you who they are then. So we'll get a good idea by the end of the season.
I don’t think they should give up on those because I feel like they’re strong plays in themselves, but also give more reason for a DC to load the box to stop them which can give us more single high looks with big play opportunities.I agree with this. Really don't wanna see more then 1 or 2 of those a game. Use them in important spots, not second and 7 from midfieldI would like to see them get rid of the RPOs. The occasional bootleg and QB sneak to pick up short yardage is fine and of course his scrambling ability. But I could do without the designed RPOs.I think we all know the running QB's need to eventually be able to beat the blitz with the arm, or they'll be done by 30. I think we all realize what Hurts is doing right now isnt sustainable.
But..
- He has shown so far in two games that he is throwing better. Still running yes, but also throwing better. Is it enough?
He doesn't need to be a finished product in year 3. but this is his second year in the same system, and QB's usually show you who they are then. So we'll get a good idea by the end of the season.
During the course of the remaining 15 games it may prove to be different, but 2 games in I'll take 2022 Hurts over 2022 Wilson. Wilson has been less accurate and nowhere near the dual threat Hurts is.Are you being serious here ?
Absolutely agree, drafting is not an exact science. Which is why the fall back plan of drafting a QB in the first round in 2023 is no guarantee. And I suspect the teams that drafted the 5 in the top of 2021 draft all thought their guy was the real deal too.Drafting isn't an exact science. You can draft a Josh Rosen or you might get a Josh Allen. If there's a QB they think is the real deal, draft him. QB factory...right?
Problem is, if you think you're getting Josh Allen and you end up with Josh Rosen, you could be setting your team back several years. If Hurts continues to progress like he's shown these first two games, I'll take my chances with him.
You can do both. Keep Hurts and draft a backup.
I’m not saying it can’t be done but I don’t think it’s possible without a dominant defense, behemoths on the offensive line and a strong running game. The quarterback should only have to throw no more than 20 times a game.
I agree with your main theme, and I still have my doubts about Hurts but just can't deny the progress he's made so far. Time will tell. But curious what about his personality don't you like? By all accounts he's a great leader and says and does all the right things you want your QB to do. Not sure if it's just anti-Eagle bias (which I get) or something I'm missing.Wilson hasn't looked good in two yearsAre you being serious here ?Lawrence (1)The problem with the bolded is that Dak and Lamar are both in the top half of NFL starting QBs and it's not that easy to upgrade. 2021 was supposed to be a loaded QB draft and I'm not sure any of those guys will ever be better than Dak. Even if Hurts ceiling is like the 10th best QB in the league, there is a tremendous amount of risk in trading away Hurts and drafting someone that has as much of a chance of being Mayfiled, Darnold or Zach Wilson as they do of being Burrow or Herbert.
Hurts is a great guy, good leader, hard worker everything you want in a young guy. Hell this guy is more accountable then Cam Newton ever was who took every positive to throw on himself and then everything that went wrong he'd throw his teammates under the bus and sulk. Hurts actually mentioned something I did in the game thread about not scoring in the 2nd half. He basically said "I and the team left plays out there in the 2nd half and we need to keep our foot on the pedal." He also said he knows there's plays he wanted back out there. Those are really good mature steps for a young QB and teammates see that and will love that. People think I'm rooting for the guy to fail. I'm not. I just don't want to be stuck with a Lamar/DAK type QB. Great in regular season but can't be trusted in playoffs. I've seen QB like Hurts before in the NFL over my yrs and they just never work out well.
Wilson (2)
Lance (3)
Fields (11)
Jones (15)
To your point, here are 5 QBs taken in the top half of the 2021 QB-friendly draft. Forget Dak, I'm not sure if any of them will ever be better than Hurts, who's only been in the league 1 year longer than them. Yes, the Eagles set themselves up with a plan B if Hurts didn't improve, but plan B isn't a guarantee either.
Now imagine Hurts does earn the right to be the long-term QB - now the Eagles have 2 first round picks they can add to an already strong team. I'd rather see that than starting over with another lottery ticket and a prayer.
hurts is better than all those guys already
After all the offseason chatter about the Eagles and Russell Wilson, I'm not sure if Wilson is even better then Hurts at this point.
I see the similarities. Both college transfers who succeeded in their second stop. Similar skill set. Wilson is probably a better passer but Hurts is better runner.
Both personalities I can’t stand.
As DJax has eluded to- and this his always my thing with RBs playing QB- at some point during a playoff run you’re going to need your quarterback to make a critical pass. Who do you want to make that critical pass, a naturally gifted runner or a naturally gifted passer?
Additionally- running quarterbacks always have a lot of success during the regular season because one, it’s the regular season, and two, defensive coaches generally don’t change their game plan dramatically for one week of regular season, however the playoffs are a different animal. They will specifically design a defense to stop a college-esk offense.
I’m not saying it can’t be done but I don’t think it’s possible without a dominant defense, behemoths on the offensive line and a strong running game. The quarterback should only have to throw no more than 20 times a game.
Zero bias except when we play each other:
Russel - seems like a fake dude. Acts like a choir boy sometimes but then when he married his wife he tries to act ghetto sometimes. Very bizarre.
Hurts - I hear how he’s a great leader and maybe he is, I just don’t like quarterback to dance like teenagers and he always has a very weird smug smirk on his face. Granted, this is coming from a 45-year-old white dude.
ETA - I would say these things if Hurts was on another team outside the division.
I’m the rare Cowboys fan who can be impartial. Super impressed with Slays performance. I think your HC is a extremely good offensive mind. He’s a little weird but I’d take that potential over fat Mike.
Yeah, I haven't seen anyone anoint him the super-elite-franchise-QB-of-the-future. I've only seen people try to completely discount the improvements we've seen in the first 2 games.Cowboys fans, watching highlights from MNF.Who's crowned his ***?All I’m trying to say is, yes Hurts has played better in the 2 games to start this season. Let’s not crown his *** quite yet
That niners team is EXACTLY the team I was thinking of when I said all that. Their offensive line was dominant.I’m not saying it can’t be done but I don’t think it’s possible without a dominant defense, behemoths on the offensive line and a strong running game. The quarterback should only have to throw no more than 20 times a game.
Hence why SF got away with Having Kapernick at QB awhile back when they faced Baltimore in the SB. At the same time SF did get pretty lucky that year too. Rodgers carried that team and the defense was putrid. If they were losing that year it was gonna be the Defense that loses it not Rodgers. Their defense was top 2 or so all season SF and they had a great Oline and Run game
Same with Cam similar structure. It's not rocket Science. look at how all these teams with a similar Running QB were successful. However non of these teams won a SB. I Categorize Wilson in tweaner category. Not a Running QB per say but also not a great passer. I would say he's very similar to McNabb.
Josh Allen has a hell of an arm. The only issues I saw with Josh Allen were his mechanics and competition in College, Turnovers and clutch performer for those who were looking at stuff. Hurts has had questions on passing and what throws he can make. There were issues and people saying he was holding the Alabama offense back. As well as not being able to Read defense and arm strength. I saw comparisons of Pat White with Hurts. Allen was getting Big Ben Comparisons. And FYI NFLcom compared Hurts to Tim TebowAlso 2 teams with QBs that are known for their elusive running abilities. Last year Josh Allen ran 122 times for 763 yards. Hurts was 139 for 784. Does anyone dispute Josh Allen can win a SB?I don't see how you can watch the first 2 games of the season and call Hurts a "RB playing QB". I also disagree with you on your whole take of needing a dominant D, Massive O-line and bruising RB, with the QB passing no more than 20x per game. That's outdated. BUF and KC are the top teams in the NFL- that's the blueprint every team is chasing now.
That niners team is EXACTLY the team I was thinking of when I said all that. Their offensive line was dominant.I’m not saying it can’t be done but I don’t think it’s possible without a dominant defense, behemoths on the offensive line and a strong running game. The quarterback should only have to throw no more than 20 times a game.
Hence why SF got away with Having Kapernick at QB awhile back when they faced Baltimore in the SB. At the same time SF did get pretty lucky that year too. Rodgers carried that team and the defense was putrid. If they were losing that year it was gonna be the Defense that loses it not Rodgers. Their defense was top 2 or so all season SF and they had a great Oline and Run game
Same with Cam similar structure. It's not rocket Science. look at how all these teams with a similar Running QB were successful. However non of these teams won a SB. I Categorize Wilson in tweaner category. Not a Running QB per say but also not a great passer. I would say he's very similar to McNabb.
With a team like that you’re not always going to have success in the first quarter, maybe not the second quarter, but by the third and fourth quarter those defenders are going to be worn the hell down and demoralized and you’re going to gash them for huge yardage.
You’re also not going to have to pay your quarterback $500 million
Week 1: Detroit, who is a much improved team, sold out on blitzes and pressure, hoping to neutralize Hurts. Hurts killed them with his legs, but also showed improvement in his mechanics and his willingness to stay in the pocket and read the field.Hey, fox, these grapes aren't sour, at all. They're ripe and delicious. For a RB, Hurts looks like a heckuva QB, so far.Wilson hasn't looked good in two yearsAre you being serious here ?Lawrence (1)The problem with the bolded is that Dak and Lamar are both in the top half of NFL starting QBs and it's not that easy to upgrade. 2021 was supposed to be a loaded QB draft and I'm not sure any of those guys will ever be better than Dak. Even if Hurts ceiling is like the 10th best QB in the league, there is a tremendous amount of risk in trading away Hurts and drafting someone that has as much of a chance of being Mayfiled, Darnold or Zach Wilson as they do of being Burrow or Herbert.
Hurts is a great guy, good leader, hard worker everything you want in a young guy. Hell this guy is more accountable then Cam Newton ever was who took every positive to throw on himself and then everything that went wrong he'd throw his teammates under the bus and sulk. Hurts actually mentioned something I did in the game thread about not scoring in the 2nd half. He basically said "I and the team left plays out there in the 2nd half and we need to keep our foot on the pedal." He also said he knows there's plays he wanted back out there. Those are really good mature steps for a young QB and teammates see that and will love that. People think I'm rooting for the guy to fail. I'm not. I just don't want to be stuck with a Lamar/DAK type QB. Great in regular season but can't be trusted in playoffs. I've seen QB like Hurts before in the NFL over my yrs and they just never work out well.
Wilson (2)
Lance (3)
Fields (11)
Jones (15)
To your point, here are 5 QBs taken in the top half of the 2021 QB-friendly draft. Forget Dak, I'm not sure if any of them will ever be better than Hurts, who's only been in the league 1 year longer than them. Yes, the Eagles set themselves up with a plan B if Hurts didn't improve, but plan B isn't a guarantee either.
Now imagine Hurts does earn the right to be the long-term QB - now the Eagles have 2 first round picks they can add to an already strong team. I'd rather see that than starting over with another lottery ticket and a prayer.
hurts is better than all those guys already
After all the offseason chatter about the Eagles and Russell Wilson, I'm not sure if Wilson is even better then Hurts at this point.
I see the similarities. Both college transfers who succeeded in their second stop. Similar skill set. Wilson is probably a better passer but Hurts is better runner.
Both personalities I can’t stand.
As DJax has eluded to- and this his always my thing with RBs playing QB- at some point during a playoff run you’re going to need your quarterback to make a critical pass. Who do you want to make that critical pass, a naturally gifted runner or a naturally gifted passer?
Additionally- running quarterbacks always have a lot of success during the regular season because one, it’s the regular season, and two, defensive coaches generally don’t change their game plan dramatically for one week of regular season, however the playoffs are a different animal. They will specifically design a defense to stop a college-esk offense.
I’m not saying it can’t be done but I don’t think it’s possible without a dominant defense, behemoths on the offensive line and a strong running game. The quarterback should only have to throw no more than 20 times a game.
It’s like you didn’t read anything I wrote. We’re in the regular season, are we not? I certainly don’t care about other men wearing a different color uniform enough to let that effect my opinion of them as players.
RGIII, Cam, Lamar, Cunningham, Kordell Stewart, Vick, Vince Young, the list goes on and on and on.
I don’t mind a guy who can run, I just don’t want that to be a significant factor in why they got drafted.
Week 2: MIN, coming off a shellacking of an NFC favorite in week 1, played a soft shell Defense and dared Hurts to beat them with his arm. He was dominant and picked them apart. He showed improvement in: his reads, his mechanics, and his ability to use the whole field. All of those have been question marks for him, dating back to college.
Is he Tom Brady, all of a sudden? No. Nobody is saying that, even the talking heads that have to get your attention in sports media. Philly fans are hopeful that his ceiling is higher than we thought. We all know it's only Week 3, and weird stuff happens the first 5-6 weeks of the season. Aside from @need2know, nobody is crowning Hurts.
I read everything you wrote. You called him a "RB playing QB". He isn't. He has the ability to make every throw in the game. he threw a lot of dimes on MNF. My big thing with him last year was that the game looked too fast for him. He was a one-read and run QB. He put a lot of time in during the offseason, working with QB coaches on his mechanics, and the game looks like it has slowed down massively for him. I'm not ready to sign him to a huge contract, yet. But I am really, really impressed with his play, so far. And I am excited about the trajectory of the Eagles' season.
Are the Eagles going to face their share of struggles? Yes, undoubtedly. It's a loooong season. Will Defenses key up on Hurts after watching some tape? Absolutely. But the odds of Philly making it to the playoffs is way better than Dallas.
I don't see how you can watch the first 2 games of the season and call Hurts a "RB playing QB". I also disagree with you on your whole take of needing a dominant D, Massive O-line and bruising RB, with the QB passing no more than 20x per game. That's outdated. BUF and KC are the top teams in the NFL- that's the blueprint every team is chasing now.
I gave my opinion. You disagree.
As far as your last paragraph, the reason you mention is the exact reason I would do the polar opposite of what Kansas City and Buffalo are doing. Defenses today are built with light in the *** speed guys, so you counter that.
ETA- Kansas City and Buffalo have probably the two best quarterbacks in the league. Kind a hard to replicate that it seems like a fool’s errand.
That’s my philosophy
Why can't you replicate it? Dolphins seem to be following along with this philosophy of surrounding your QB with big time talents. Its not a coincidence Allen took off *the same year* the Bills acquired Stephon Diggs where he got 166 targets from Josh Allen. Mahomes and Hill were joined at the hip from day 1 (I'm still in the "Mahomes is #1 above all QB's camps b/c his talents ARE so rare IMO). Now Hurts has his own Diggs in AJ Brown and Boom the offense opens up everywhere else.Week 1: Detroit, who is a much improved team, sold out on blitzes and pressure, hoping to neutralize Hurts. Hurts killed them with his legs, but also showed improvement in his mechanics and his willingness to stay in the pocket and read the field.Hey, fox, these grapes aren't sour, at all. They're ripe and delicious. For a RB, Hurts looks like a heckuva QB, so far.Wilson hasn't looked good in two yearsAre you being serious here ?Lawrence (1)The problem with the bolded is that Dak and Lamar are both in the top half of NFL starting QBs and it's not that easy to upgrade. 2021 was supposed to be a loaded QB draft and I'm not sure any of those guys will ever be better than Dak. Even if Hurts ceiling is like the 10th best QB in the league, there is a tremendous amount of risk in trading away Hurts and drafting someone that has as much of a chance of being Mayfiled, Darnold or Zach Wilson as they do of being Burrow or Herbert.
Hurts is a great guy, good leader, hard worker everything you want in a young guy. Hell this guy is more accountable then Cam Newton ever was who took every positive to throw on himself and then everything that went wrong he'd throw his teammates under the bus and sulk. Hurts actually mentioned something I did in the game thread about not scoring in the 2nd half. He basically said "I and the team left plays out there in the 2nd half and we need to keep our foot on the pedal." He also said he knows there's plays he wanted back out there. Those are really good mature steps for a young QB and teammates see that and will love that. People think I'm rooting for the guy to fail. I'm not. I just don't want to be stuck with a Lamar/DAK type QB. Great in regular season but can't be trusted in playoffs. I've seen QB like Hurts before in the NFL over my yrs and they just never work out well.
Wilson (2)
Lance (3)
Fields (11)
Jones (15)
To your point, here are 5 QBs taken in the top half of the 2021 QB-friendly draft. Forget Dak, I'm not sure if any of them will ever be better than Hurts, who's only been in the league 1 year longer than them. Yes, the Eagles set themselves up with a plan B if Hurts didn't improve, but plan B isn't a guarantee either.
Now imagine Hurts does earn the right to be the long-term QB - now the Eagles have 2 first round picks they can add to an already strong team. I'd rather see that than starting over with another lottery ticket and a prayer.
hurts is better than all those guys already
After all the offseason chatter about the Eagles and Russell Wilson, I'm not sure if Wilson is even better then Hurts at this point.
I see the similarities. Both college transfers who succeeded in their second stop. Similar skill set. Wilson is probably a better passer but Hurts is better runner.
Both personalities I can’t stand.
As DJax has eluded to- and this his always my thing with RBs playing QB- at some point during a playoff run you’re going to need your quarterback to make a critical pass. Who do you want to make that critical pass, a naturally gifted runner or a naturally gifted passer?
Additionally- running quarterbacks always have a lot of success during the regular season because one, it’s the regular season, and two, defensive coaches generally don’t change their game plan dramatically for one week of regular season, however the playoffs are a different animal. They will specifically design a defense to stop a college-esk offense.
I’m not saying it can’t be done but I don’t think it’s possible without a dominant defense, behemoths on the offensive line and a strong running game. The quarterback should only have to throw no more than 20 times a game.
It’s like you didn’t read anything I wrote. We’re in the regular season, are we not? I certainly don’t care about other men wearing a different color uniform enough to let that effect my opinion of them as players.
RGIII, Cam, Lamar, Cunningham, Kordell Stewart, Vick, Vince Young, the list goes on and on and on.
I don’t mind a guy who can run, I just don’t want that to be a significant factor in why they got drafted.
Week 2: MIN, coming off a shellacking of an NFC favorite in week 1, played a soft shell Defense and dared Hurts to beat them with his arm. He was dominant and picked them apart. He showed improvement in: his reads, his mechanics, and his ability to use the whole field. All of those have been question marks for him, dating back to college.
Is he Tom Brady, all of a sudden? No. Nobody is saying that, even the talking heads that have to get your attention in sports media. Philly fans are hopeful that his ceiling is higher than we thought. We all know it's only Week 3, and weird stuff happens the first 5-6 weeks of the season. Aside from @need2know, nobody is crowning Hurts.
I read everything you wrote. You called him a "RB playing QB". He isn't. He has the ability to make every throw in the game. he threw a lot of dimes on MNF. My big thing with him last year was that the game looked too fast for him. He was a one-read and run QB. He put a lot of time in during the offseason, working with QB coaches on his mechanics, and the game looks like it has slowed down massively for him. I'm not ready to sign him to a huge contract, yet. But I am really, really impressed with his play, so far. And I am excited about the trajectory of the Eagles' season.
Are the Eagles going to face their share of struggles? Yes, undoubtedly. It's a loooong season. Will Defenses key up on Hurts after watching some tape? Absolutely. But the odds of Philly making it to the playoffs is way better than Dallas.
I don't see how you can watch the first 2 games of the season and call Hurts a "RB playing QB". I also disagree with you on your whole take of needing a dominant D, Massive O-line and bruising RB, with the QB passing no more than 20x per game. That's outdated. BUF and KC are the top teams in the NFL- that's the blueprint every team is chasing now.
I gave my opinion. You disagree.
As far as your last paragraph, the reason you mention is the exact reason I would do the polar opposite of what Kansas City and Buffalo are doing. Defenses today are built with light in the *** speed guys, so you counter that.
ETA- Kansas City and Buffalo have probably the two best quarterbacks in the league. Kind a hard to replicate that it seems like a fool’s errand.
That’s my philosophy
Yes. Defensively, they have a lot to work on. Their secondary is hot garbage. But their front 7 is improved. They also have put up 35+ 2 weeks in a row. That is much improved.Oh and Detroit is much improved? They’ve given up the third most yards and the second most points through two weeks.
OK. You brought up Detroit as a barometer to judge Hurts.
I said they sold out on blitzes and pressure on hurts, and he killed them with his legs. Contrast that with how MIN dared him to beat them with his arm, and he did.
I think we all know the running QB's need to eventually be able to beat the blitz with the arm, or they'll be done by 30. I think we all realize what Hurts is doing right now isnt sustainable.
But..
- He has shown so far in two games that he is throwing better. Still running yes, but also throwing better. Is it enough?
He doesn't need to be a finished product in year 3. but this is his second year in the same system, and QB's usually show you who they are then. So we'll get a good idea by the end of the season.
I would like to see them get rid of the RPOs. The occasional bootleg and QB sneak to pick up short yardage is fine and of course his scrambling ability. But I could do without the designed RPOs.I think we all know the running QB's need to eventually be able to beat the blitz with the arm, or they'll be done by 30. I think we all realize what Hurts is doing right now isnt sustainable.
But..
- He has shown so far in two games that he is throwing better. Still running yes, but also throwing better. Is it enough?
He doesn't need to be a finished product in year 3. but this is his second year in the same system, and QB's usually show you who they are then. So we'll get a good idea by the end of the season.
Wasn't Josh Allen exactly this when he came out? A mobile QB who was inacurate, had mechanics that needed fixed? Weren't there signiifcant odubts as to whether he'd ever be a good pocket passer? (Hint; THE ANSWER IS YES). What Allen did have was a good arm, and some thought he could improve the other stuff, and they were p[roven correct.I stand by my statements above on quarterback philosophy. I want a guy who is a naturally gifted passer as his number one asset over mobility. It doesn’t mean I don’t want my quarterback to be mobile, I just don’t want it to be what got them to the dance because historically they get their **** pushed in in the playoffs.
Here we have Hurts....super mobile, good (not great) arm. Like Allen, hard worker willing to learn. Mechanical flaws someone thought could be fixed. Here in year 3, they appear to be fixed, and the results are showing. He didn't beat Minny with his legs...he beat them with his arm. he WAS pinpoint accurate, and he made good decisions.
Maybe it lasts, maybe it doesn't, but the narrative has become inaccurate. He's not a RB who can throw. he's a QB who can run
Josh Allen may have the stronger arm and I'm certainly not trying to say they're similar QBs - they're not. I'm mearly doing a side-by-side comparison of their stats, which Hurts matches up favorably if not better.Josh Allen has a hell of an arm. The only issues I saw with Josh Allen were his mechanics and competition in College, Turnovers and clutch performer for those who were looking at stuff. Hurts has had questions on passing and what throws he can make.
I apologize for my part in this fiasco. Thing went off the rails.Exploit/Avoid
Avoid: Eagles thread.
I would love this but I'm expecting a much closer game. Traveling on a short week to a division opponent. I'm thinking a lower scoring game with some mistakes, 20-17 Eagles. I wouldn't be surprised if they come out flat and fall behind 10-0.Final Score Prediction: 34-17 maybe a pick 6 or fumble 6, a long offensive TD, 4+ sacks. WAS hits us for a long score themselves also.
i hope we blitz on every down. only half joking. that should guarantee at least two pick-6's, no way Wentz isn't thinking about a look-at-me kind of a performance and totally agree he is so skittish with any pressure in his face.I do hope Gannon dials up some blitzes. Carson has still not fixed his "wiley" pocket presence or lack thereof, or whatever you want to call it - he still fumbles *a lot* and I expect at least 2 turnovers from him. Mixed in w his penchant for playing Hero Ball, it *should* be a good day for defense.
I haven't seen the injury report but could it be as simple as giving some vets extra rest on a short week? Hopefully there isn't much more to it.that said, the last injury report seems to list all of our db's, we gonna have anyone on the field to actually cover? Limited participant (Thursday): Graham, Sweat, Reddick, Slay, Maddox
probably, i looked just to see if Slay had practiced at all this week and that's what I saw. reading through further none of it looks serious.I haven't seen the injury report but could it be as simple as giving some vets extra rest on a short week? Hopefully there isn't much more to it.that said, the last injury report seems to list all of our db's, we gonna have anyone on the field to actually cover? Limited participant (Thursday): Graham, Sweat, Reddick, Slay, Maddox
NFC East games are always close. We barely beat them last year and needed a comeback to do it when Heineke was the QB. I don't expect this to be a blowout by any stretch. These games are usually where we're wondering wtf happened as we're down 17 points before we blink.For the game, I can see our defensive line giving, this average O line fits all day. I do hope Gannon dials up some blitzes. Carson has still not fixed his "wiley" pocket presence or lack thereof, or whatever you want to call it - he still fumbles *a lot* and I expect at least 2 turnovers from him. Mixed in w his penchant for playing Hero Ball, it *should* be a good day for defense. What will kill us is a bunch of deep balls and quick strikes as their running game seems weak at best. I hope Gannon plays some 2-deep Safety looks instead of single high to start b/c a lot of those Commodore receivers have good speed.
On offense, more of the same. I will be interested to see how Washington starts out whether its zone or man. Commodore defensive line is much better than Minnesota, so it will be a better test, but man, from what I can tell, the LBs are weeeaaaak. So I expect the middle of the field w slants and Goedert especially to go off this week. I don't really respect much on the secondary as far as their ability to stop the 1-2 of Brown and Devonta. I DO think Jalen may have to win more again with his arm this week, but at the same time, our offensive line should win most times against the WAS front. Thinking the big names are going to be Hurts (duh), AJ Brown and Goedert. Thinking AJ and Sanders at some point get a long TD.
Final Score Prediction: 34-17 maybe a pick 6 or fumble 6, a long offensive TD, 4+ sacks. WAS hits us for a long score themselves also.
Not this year!NFC East games are always close. We barely beat them last year and needed a comeback to do it when Heineke was the QB. I don't expect this to be a blowout by any stretch. These games are usually where we're wondering wtf happened as we're down 17 points before we blink.For the game, I can see our defensive line giving, this average O line fits all day. I do hope Gannon dials up some blitzes. Carson has still not fixed his "wiley" pocket presence or lack thereof, or whatever you want to call it - he still fumbles *a lot* and I expect at least 2 turnovers from him. Mixed in w his penchant for playing Hero Ball, it *should* be a good day for defense. What will kill us is a bunch of deep balls and quick strikes as their running game seems weak at best. I hope Gannon plays some 2-deep Safety looks instead of single high to start b/c a lot of those Commodore receivers have good speed.
On offense, more of the same. I will be interested to see how Washington starts out whether its zone or man. Commodore defensive line is much better than Minnesota, so it will be a better test, but man, from what I can tell, the LBs are weeeaaaak. So I expect the middle of the field w slants and Goedert especially to go off this week. I don't really respect much on the secondary as far as their ability to stop the 1-2 of Brown and Devonta. I DO think Jalen may have to win more again with his arm this week, but at the same time, our offensive line should win most times against the WAS front. Thinking the big names are going to be Hurts (duh), AJ Brown and Goedert. Thinking AJ and Sanders at some point get a long TD.
Final Score Prediction: 34-17 maybe a pick 6 or fumble 6, a long offensive TD, 4+ sacks. WAS hits us for a long score themselves also.
Josh Allen may have the stronger arm and I'm certainly not trying to say they're similar QBs - they're not. I'm mearly doing a side-by-side comparison of their stats, which Hurts matches up favorably if not better.Josh Allen has a hell of an arm. The only issues I saw with Josh Allen were his mechanics and competition in College, Turnovers and clutch performer for those who were looking at stuff. Hurts has had questions on passing and what throws he can make.
Allen may have the stronger arm, yet Hurts had a higher yds/att in year one and had a better completion percentage and in 2 games this season Hurts also has the higher yds/att. (9.1 vs. 8.9). In fact, Hurts is leading the entire NFL.