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Interesting but I’m not sure which would be the better approach. I think they have a much better chance of truly competing in 2021 than 2020 so not sure you want $8MM in dead money then. I guess they should worry about next year next year and go for it though.


agree with both of you - not a slam dunk decision....I would agree that the run is for 2021 and not this yr but keep in mind some big contracts can be dumped next yr - $35M saved if they part ways with Bell, Crowley, H Anderson and Enunwa...im not sure what the mkt in 2021 will look like but if the split gets them to land a big time OL then im ok with it.  


You guys are forgetting one key factor (I think) - JD has a long leash, but there is pressure on Gase (and probably the owners) to win now.  Maybe even pressure on Darnold to take the next step. They will spend that extra $8m to improve the team this year.  I think it's a no-brainer for them to use that cap now. They can absorb that money in 2021 if they dump Bell or Henry Anderson. Maybe even Enunwa if he isn't cut this year.

 
You guys are forgetting one key factor (I think) - JD has a long leash, but there is pressure on Gase (and probably the owners) to win now.  Maybe even pressure on Darnold to take the next step. They will spend that extra $8m to improve the team this year.  I think it's a no-brainer for them to use that cap now. They can absorb that money in 2021 if they dump Bell or Henry Anderson. Maybe even Enunwa if he isn't cut this year.
you are probably right - NFL is a year to year business - teams that lose dont have the luxury of the long game....extra $8M could keep Robby and bring in a stud OL which would free up the draft.  

I thought I read on one of the forums that if a team signs its own FA a portion doesnt count vs the cap in the new CBA....anyone else hear this or fake?  

 
you are probably right - NFL is a year to year business - teams that lose dont have the luxury of the long game....extra $8M could keep Robby and bring in a stud OL which would free up the draft.  

I thought I read on one of the forums that if a team signs its own FA a portion doesnt count vs the cap in the new CBA....anyone else hear this or fake?  
I hadn't heard of it, but I just researched a couple of CBA articles:

"And there's a new "Veteran Salary Benefit" that allows a team to re-sign up to two of its own players per year (provided they have at least four years of service time) and exclude as much as $1.25 million of each player's base salary from each year's salary cap. Here's an example: Let's say you're a four-year veteran on the Jets, and they want to re-sign you. They can offer you a one-year, $6.25 million deal, and only $5 million of it will count against their salary cap if they designated you as one of their two VSB exceptions. If you left and signed with, say, the Patriots, for one year and $6.25 million, the Patriots will have to count all $6.25 million against their cap".

 
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I hadn't heard of it, but I just researched a couple of CBA articles:

"And there's a new "Veteran Salary Benefit" that allows a team to re-sign up to two of its own players per year (provided they have at least four years of service time) and exclude as much as $1.25 million of each player's base salary from each year's salary cap. Here's an example: Let's say you're a four-year veteran on the Jets, and they want to re-sign you. They can offer you a one-year, $6.25 million deal, and only $5 million of it will count against their salary cap if they designated you as one of their two VSB exceptions. If you left and signed with, say, the Patriots, for one year and $6.25 million, the Patriots will have to count all $6.25 million against their cap".
thats what i thought - that will be big in Robby Anderson...if they were stick at 10M and he is offered $12M its only a $500k difference

very good rule - surprised havent heard more about it

 
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thats what i thought - that will be big in Robby Anderson...if they were stick at 10M and he is offered $12M its only a $500k difference

very good rule - surprised havent heard more about it
but then there is the tax impact of playing in NJ for half the season vs say a place like Florida or Texas with no state tax. Not to mention any property tax differences. Oh, and most importantly, the playing for Adam Gase tax.

 
Only God knows why, but the Giants are putting the tag on Leonard Williams. So the jets get a 4th rounder.

Gettleman is awesome. We should trade with him every chance we get.

 
Only God knows why, but the Giants are putting the tag on Leonard Williams. So the jets get a 4th rounder.

Gettleman is awesome. We should trade with him every chance we get.
Terrible move by the Giants at the time and now they feel obligated to double down on it. 

 
Thuney franchised and Conklin to the Browns. Not a very exciting day for the boys in Green.

 
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Huge letdown day but had a feeling JD would be patient - never had a chance for Thuney and now missed out on Conklin at a pretty reasonable deal....conflicting reports on whether he even considered the Jets as usual...

They may turn to defense at CB and pass rusher now - pick up some stop gap OL and just concentrate on the draft....

 
Wow - Glasgow to Denver for $11M....Im officially panicking.....
Well most experts I’ve been listening to have said building an o-line through free agency is a losing proposition and the proper way to do it is through the draft. Maybe Douglas will spend elsewhere and use a good amount of picks on o-line.

 
Well most experts I’ve been listening to have said building an o-line through free agency is a losing proposition and the proper way to do it is through the draft. Maybe Douglas will spend elsewhere and use a good amount of picks on o-line.
Ill give him the benefit of the doubt but man thats dangerous to go into the draft with such a glaring need....any team that likes an OL will know to trade up in front of them....with $70M to spend I would think he would have landed one top OL  

Have a feeling he is going to overspend at CB and please no Clowney

 
Bradberry and Jones gone...so CB is not the focus...

names im seeing are serious letdowns....they have the $ to get  2 big time players and lots of JAGs mentioned - Jets are not in a position to pull a Ravens and just sit it out.....

Amari Cooper bombshell could change my outlook in a hurry.....

 
Ill give him the benefit of the doubt but man thats dangerous to go into the draft with such a glaring need....any team that likes an OL will know to trade up in front of them....with $70M to spend I would think he would have landed one top OL  

Have a feeling he is going to overspend at CB and please no Clowney
I get that and I’m not saying I have no concerns by their lack of adding any bodies but the first wave of players always get overpaid and many times the contracts end up looking bad.

Im going to give Douglass the benefit of the doubt for now and see what happens by end of the week.

 
"The Athletic's Connor Hughes reports the Jets are "in discussions" with free agent OLB Kyle Van Noy.

After the Jets had Anthony Barr back out on them last offseason, they're trying to secure one of the top edge defenders in this year's class. Van Noy turns 29 later this month and is coming off a career-high 6.5 sacks last season with New England. Van Noy has never been a dominant pass-rusher, but he's very much above average and can also defend the run with scheme versatility. He's going to get paid."

Well finally some news - Id rather him over Clowney overpay but is he really that much better than Jenkins?  Is he made by Belichick?  Not thrilled but trying to keep an open mind - opinions on him

 
Bradberry and Jones gone...so CB is not the focus...

names im seeing are serious letdowns....they have the $ to get  2 big time players and lots of JAGs mentioned - Jets are not in a position to pull a Ravens and just sit it out.....

Amari Cooper bombshell could change my outlook in a hurry.....
Jones’ contract: 5 years / $82.5 million, with $57MM guaranteed. $40MM is paid out over the first two years.

That’s stupid money. I kind of like the Jets aren’t trying to win the first day of free agency.

 
Jones’ contract: 5 years / $82.5 million, with $57MM guaranteed. $40MM is paid out over the first two years.

That’s stupid money. I kind of like the Jets aren’t trying to win the first day of free agency.
agree on CB overpays - remind me of the Tru disaster.....

I really would have liked to have seen one of the top OL...prices werent that bad.  Not sure if the guys left at OL are that much better than what they have now.....

 
Maybe JD self-quarantined and he thought it included his phone and wallet, too.  Ugh. Disappointing day. I really didn't care about any position other than o-line and we here we are where we started,  except for about half of our wealth from the stock market and in the middle of a virus pandemic. 

Where is @Maximus* to cheer us up?

 
George Fant - wow not impressed at all....swing player...backup OT sometime TE....3 yrs 30M - $13M guaranteed so essentially a 1 yr deal but not happy with this......Glasgow an actual good OL was $1M more per yr....

 
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Yeah.... doesn't seem good
its not good when the best part im seeing in commentary is that the Jets can get out of this contract after one yr!!  lol....unreal

allowed 17 pressures in 4 starts....he'll fit right in

 
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Watched some tape of Fant last pm....has all the intangibles to be a solid OL - size, athletic, strength....but make no mistake he is a project and I dont think the Jets are in a position for rookies, projects and JAGs to protect their prized investment.  Interested in the structure of the contract - as its only $13M guaranteed hoping it may be split $6.5/6.5 1st 2 yrs which is not terrible for OL depth.  

Have a feeling Jets will strike today - let's see what JD puts together

 
So the Pats have to be on a downturn with Brady gone, but Buffalo and Miami are loading up in free agency/trades. The division is up for grabs - will the Jets make a move?

 
Watched some tape of Fant last pm....has all the intangibles to be a solid OL - size, athletic, strength....but make no mistake he is a project and I dont think the Jets are in a position for rookies, projects and JAGs to protect their prized investment.  Interested in the structure of the contract - as its only $13M guaranteed hoping it may be split $6.5/6.5 1st 2 yrs which is not terrible for OL depth.  

Have a feeling Jets will strike today - let's see what JD puts together
The word since the Combine is that the Jets are moving to a spread o-line that utilizes athletic linemen. Fant has some technique issues, but his athleticism in space fits the new scheme. He may end up being a good fit.  Anyway, keep that in mind for anyone else we sign or more importantly, for o-line draft prospects.

 
I get not going hog wild on day 1...I truly do...but those OL prices were not bad....they should have locked in at least one big time OL...how can they justify protecting Sam with projects, rookies and JAGs....and what weapons is he going to have?  Did Buff and Miami overspend - absolutely....are they better teams today absolutely.  

Letting the process play out but if JD doesnt try to improve now they are wasting another year of Sam's development and rookie contract....hope he has something up his sleeve

 
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Details on George Fant’ deal with Jets: It’s actually 3 years for $27.3M. 2020: $9.25M fully guaranteed. $4.45M in 2021 is guaranteed for injury only now. Becomes fully guaranteed on 5th day of 2021 league year. Essentially a 1-yr, $9.25M deal.

 
They had to lock in WELL above average O-line play via a free agent pickup at at least one position.

They didn't do that, which is really disappointing.

 
I'm not panicked, still stinging from the T Johnson big dollar signing....  I am ok with the decent player approach through FA and build this thing through the Draft... this will take two years to get this team ready imho... (only if Joe D is the man...) maybe Trent W price will drop down to a 4th before the Draft....

 
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Just because good FA signings failed with Mac shouldnt mean JD should just go dumpster diving....Lewis is a fine back up and didnt get huge money but like Fant he has no business starting if they really want to protect Sam.  Does anyone think the OL is better after these 2 signings than last yr?  Thats not good.  

 
Just because good FA signings failed with Mac shouldnt mean JD should just go dumpster diving....Lewis is a fine back up and didnt get huge money but like Fant he has no business starting if they really want to protect Sam.  Does anyone think the OL is better after these 2 signings than last yr?  Thats not good.  
Everything I’ve been reading has said Douglass only sees free agency as a tool and a means to add depth but teams are built through the draft. He learned under Ozzie Newsome. This has been the approach of successful teams.

Honestly none of these free agent lineman were all that great which is why they were available in the first place. They all had flaws. Douglass knows how important o-line is, he’s said it numerous times so it’s not like he’s Mac and willing to ignore it. They can add 2-3 guys in the draft and come out of this ok. 

 
Everything I’ve been reading has said Douglass only sees free agency as a tool and a means to add depth but teams are built through the draft. He learned under Ozzie Newsome. This has been the approach of successful teams.

Honestly none of these free agent lineman were all that great which is why they were available in the first place. They all had flaws. Douglass knows how important o-line is, he’s said it numerous times so it’s not like he’s Mac and willing to ignore it. They can add 2-3 guys in the draft and come out of this ok. 
I understand the Ravens philosophy - but they have had a winning culture for over a decade plus very good players/coaches.....Jets have none of that

I like the McGovern signing best of all 3 so far...hes a solid OL...clear upgrade and reasonable price.....I personally would have passed on Lewis and Fant for Conklin then bargain shopped but at least it seems like a plan and there is some upgrade with upside.....think he has one big deal/move in him so im willing to be patient now that I can honestly say the OL is better than last yr even if not much so far....plus gives them options at the draft.  

 
I'd like to see them bring in Emmanuel Sanders (as a steady veteran possession guy) and Phillip Dorsett (as a field stretcher) on reasonable contracts and then add in a rookie WR in Round 2 (or what we Jet fans like to call the Round of Wasted Picks).

 
very good value on Poole signing - well done to JD

Sanders is so old...and Dorsett is eh...every day that goes by Robbie Anderson's market dries up....if they wait him out hopefully bring him back on a reasonable deal especially with first $1.5M exempt....

 
Yeah, very happy with the Poole deal.

Still a LOT of holes at key spots, even if they manage to retain Anderson. 

Obviously its the NFL, so assuming we actually have a season, things can turn around quickly. No reason to believe the Jets couldn't jump to 10 wins in a Brady-less division with a little luck.

This year is pretty much make or break for Sam (in terms of getting a BIG deal post rookie contract) so i guess it makes sense for the team to stay somewhat flexible. if makes a leap, you go all-in next year on his rookie deal. If not, it may be back to the drawing board time, in which case you dont want to be weighed down with expensive long-term deals

 
I'd like to see them bring in Emmanuel Sanders (as a steady veteran possession guy) and Phillip Dorsett (as a field stretcher) on reasonable contracts and then add in a rookie WR in Round 2 (or what we Jet fans like to call the Round of Wasted Picks).
I'd be thrilled with that. There's value to be had at WR in Rounds 2 & 3 this year. 

 
very good value on Poole signing - well done to JD

Sanders is so old...and Dorsett is eh...every day that goes by Robbie Anderson's market dries up....if they wait him out hopefully bring him back on a reasonable deal especially with first $1.5M exempt....
I agree. Blech. I want nothing to do with those guys.  Quite honestly, I rather have Perriman than Anderson at a cheaper price.  There is no way in hell that Anderson is worth what he is looking for.  Add a WR in the first two rounds.

 
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I agree. Blech. I want nothing to do with those guys.  Quite honestly, I rather have Perriman than Anderson at a cheaper price.  There is no way in hell that Anderson is worth what he is looking for.  Add a WR in the first two rounds.
Id rather Perrriman than those 2 as well....id still take Robbie if reasonable since he has chemistry with Sam but i wouldnt break the bank....if he gets $12M yr its actually $10.5M which isnt crazy

 
Id rather Perrriman than those 2 as well....id still take Robbie if reasonable since he has chemistry with Sam but i wouldnt break the bank....if he gets $12M yr its actually $10.5M which isnt crazy
I'd live with it, but this guy is as dumb as a box of rocks imo.  A perfect deal would be $12m or less for 2 years. Let him be a free agent again when the cap gets its huge boost. I do not want to commit money long-term to this dummy.  Who knows when he will do something stupid again.

 
Another quiet day....reports coming out that there is a new sheriff in town and the days of using the Jets for leverage are gone....while I still would have liked him to lock up a top OL I gotta tip my hat to him for having a price and sticking to it....Conner Hughes just posted that there are no offers for Anderson...if true JD may get him for even less than expected.....good example of letting the market play out....wonder if Clowney gets desperate and they get him on the cheap as well....

 
Jets re-signed CB Arthur Maulet to a one-year contract.

Maulet started six games for the Jets' hapless secondary last year, permitting 30/245 and a mere 9.5 yards per catch across 349 snaps in coverage. It's a team-friendly bet on the 26-year-old as he wasn't offered an original-round tender prior to the new league year.

 
The Athletic's Connor Hughes reports there's "radio silence" from the entire league on free agent Robby Anderson.

"I’ve made calls to virtually every source I have around the league — agents, executives, personnel people, scouts," Hughes writes. "No one’s heard of any team making a legitimate run at [Anderson]. No one’s heard of any type of salary coming his way." 27 in May, Anderson was expected to be greeted with a flurry of lucrative offers behind Amari Cooper on the open market, but that just hasn't been the case. In fact, the only team that's shown any interest of note remains the Jets. He'll be lucky to land a deal garnering $11 million annually (as opposed to his initial request of $15 million) at this rate.

 
Robby overestimated his market - he was never a $15M WR....hes closer to that awful deal Mac gave Enunwa....still would like him to stay to help Sam but Im sure JD is not going to hold up the train for him.....Id offer the $10M yr and give him until the end of the day to sign or move on.  

 
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