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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (13 Viewers)

JoeSteeler said:
Yikes just saw the contract 
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Cap charges and quote per Steelers Depot

2022 $4,333,333

2023 $13,083,333

2024 $11,833,334

The Steelers will have a $4M decision on Chuks next March as that is when his first roster bonus is due. If it does not work out, it will have been a one-year, $10.5M deal. If he plays well, he can earn another $10M in 2023.

 
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$14 mil for 2 years for Trubisky is a great deal, I was figuring $10 per. It could be ~$13.5 per year, but sometimes the incentives are huge. I'd rather have him hit the incentives if it means we won the Super Bowl lol.

Chuks has been a 2-year starter and I think improved both years. I don't think he's amazing and we could definitely have improved at RT, but there wasn't a lot available in FA and I think the team is a bit terrified of starting 2 Rookies again next year. My guess is that we take a Guard in one of the first 3 rounds if we don't get one in FA. The line could be some combo of Moore, Dotson Green, Cole, Chuks, but I think we can still draft a guard (Zion/Green) or a center (Linderbaum) to shore up the line even more, and if we take a G we can have Green and Cole compete for C. 

Also, I don't think this entirely prohibits us from taking a Tackle if one falls. We could start any combo of Rookie/Moore/Chuks if necessary, and Chuks had multiple offers, we could trade him if we had to. 

From everything I've seen, these FA signings have given us the opportunity to go BPA in the draft. We didn't get any slam dunk stars, but we at least have pieces now that can play/compete at more positions than we did 2 days ago. We still need a CB and S, there was reporting that Witherspoon signing was imminent, but I haven't seen any confirmation yet. And that still leaves us without a playmaking CB, just 2 ok starters in Sutton and Witherspoon. 

No D-line movement yet, I'm still hoping for a 1st or 2nd round pick there, I don't think rolling with Heyward/Alualu/Tuitt/Wormley/Loudermilk with only Heyward and Loudermilk signed for 2023 is a good idea. Definitely want Montravius Adams back on a cheap deal, but also a stud rookie if possible. 

Wonder if Schobert/Banner get cut, or if the Steelers wait until later to do that because they're not strapped for cash. They could see what depth they get in the draft or elsewhere in FA first. If they're about to sign an ILB they could cut Schobert then, it's not necessarily best for his options, but would let the Steelers see how things shake out. 

 
JoeSteeler said:
Cap charges per Steelers Depot

2022 $4,333,333

2023 $13,083,333

2024 $11,833,334
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The Chuks deal is a prove it deal for sure. $10 mil fully guaranteed, $1.25 mil base salary this year with the signing bonus ($9 mil) spread over 3 years. Should be a cap hit of $4 mil this year. The other guarantees trigger in March of 2023 and March of 2024, if he's still with the team. If they cut him after this season then it will trigger a dead cap hit of $6 million. 

The Chuks deal does not mean that the Steelers won't draft a tackle in the early rounds if one falls to them, it just means they won't HAVE to take one and start them immediately. Another smart deal, like the Trubs one, offers them flexibility with relatively low risk. 

 
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Drunken Cowboy said:
Pff graded him as QB 37 that year. Just behind Blake Bortles
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not that i didn't trust you, but i checked.  PFF ranked him as QB 30 that year, just behind Blake Bortles, and significantly ahead of # 31 Lamar Jackson.  Jackson was the MVP the next year.  stats and rankings huh?

 
The $ in the deals is pro Steelers, the players tho are not.  Trubisky might be okay, nice fill in until Willis or whoever they take next year at QB.   People are outraged it was Mitch.  Its a 2 year deal.   He probably is gone in 2024 unless he is fantastic.   Chuks signing was mysterious.   The G/C from Minn, seems like a nice backup at multiple positions.   Steelers should have around $9-12M left, and still can cut Banner and Schobert and get a lot more to spend.  So far, overall grade is C.

 
Approximate Cap update for 2022:

  • Steelers had ~$29.5 mil in cap space
  • Tendered Haskins/Spillane/Allen for approx $7 mil
  • Signed Trubisky - Estimated $4.3 million
  • Mason Cole - Estimated $3.7 million
  • Chuks Okorafor - Estimated $4.5 million
  • After displacement of vet minimum contracts, it's an increased salary cap cost of approximately $14 million
  • The Steelers have approximately $15 million left in cap space before any restructures or cuts, and will need $7-10 mil to sign rookies. 
  • The Steelers have been expected to cut Schobert and Banner to clear an additional $12.8 million, but that has not happened yet. 
  • They could also restructure players, but if they're not trying to trade for someone or sign a big FA, I'd like to avoid that because that pushes the money into the future. 
Expected Cap Space if they cut Schobert and Banner, ~$28 million. 

 
Mason Cole signed to 3 year $15 million deal, small cap hit in year 1. 

Myles Jack cut by Jacksonville, he didn't play great last year but is young (26, turning 27 in Sept) and was playing on a really bad team. Might still be possible to revive him but depends on cost. Could be a much cheaper/younger alternative to Wagner. If we could cut Schobert and sign Jack for less, that would be solid probably. 

 
Steelers have drastically improved a dreadful offensive line without using a single draft pick.

They have holes to fill on defense and need another WR but this point just take the BPA during the draft

 
Draft is looking more like iLB and DBs, WR and OT.   Resigning Adams gives them a lot of DL.   The 3 old dogs plus Loudermilk, Adams and Wormley.   Not sure they need to add a DL if Tuitt is back, but I wouldnt complain.   But they need S, CB, iLB, WR and still need OT.

 
menobrown said:
James Daniels, 3/26.5M. Another young versatile OL.
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He was really great in 2019, then got hurt in 2020, and was ok last year. Hopefully he bounces back fully to pre-injury form, if so that would be a great signing. 

Godsbrother said:
Steelers have drastically improved a dreadful offensive line without using a single draft pick.

They have holes to fill on defense and need another WR but this point just take the BPA during the draft
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I think drastically is a bit premature, with only Daniels and Cole as the new additions, and Daniels coming off a down year post-injury. I do like him a fair bit more than Turner. Cole I think is going to compete with Green, with his 3-year $15 mil deal I don't think he's automatically penciled in as the starter. 

I 100% agree that these signings were aimed to allow the Steelers to take BPA at almost any position, we do still need to sign a Safety and CB though. Hopefully the Witherspoon deal is announced soon, and it would be nice if we brought in Whitehead, I see him as an improvement over Edmunds. 

We could still draft C/G/RT in the draft, none of these contracts are prohibitive to get out of or to keep these guys as depth if we get an upgrade by having a great player fall. I think the chances are more likely of using the early picks on Defense and at WR. I'm guessing DL, WR, DB with the first 3 picks, unless an unusually talented player falls at OT/IOL or OLB. OLB would be a bit of a surprise (I expect them to re-sign Taco), but they literally only have 2 OLBs under contract, and Highsmith has 2 years left on his deal. If an edge rusher that they love falls to 20 (or to 52) I could see them pulling the trigger for 2 reasons, depth and not having 2 edge rushers with huge contracts. If Highsmith could get something close to Dupree, that might be prohibitive since we pay Watt so much. 

 
Drunken Cowboy said:
If the incentives are not easily met, and it doesn't change their draft strategy, I would come all the way around to liking this deal.
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If having Mitch changes their draft strategy from going after Willis or Pickett to taking BPA and assessing QB after this year, the signing will be a win. Even if Mitch doesn’t set the league on fire. There are a bunch of OL mocked around their spot which seem like possible fits. 

 
Other school of thought on not drafting a QB on tweet from Nagy from yesterday I posted below. Listened to Jeremiah/Brooks podcast yesterday after the signing and both of them echoed same thing as Nagy. Personally I think it's Willis or bust in round one as QB's go for the Steelers. I know how most of you feel, you want to pass and I agree with thought @Godsbrothershared earlier about putting ourselves in position to take BPA. I think Willis will be gone before we pick, but if he's around the anti-QB in round one crowd might spend next 10 minutes puckered up.

@JimNagy_SB

Mar 14

Even with Trubisky signing, could see Steelers doubling-down on draft day with either Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis. Trubisky as bridge guy for Willis would be a smart strategy.

 
menobrown said:
Other school of thought on not drafting a QB on tweet from Nagy from yesterday I posted below. Listened to Jeremiah/Brooks podcast yesterday after the signing and both of them echoed same thing as Nagy. Personally I think it's Willis or bust in round one as QB's go for the Steelers. I know how most of you feel, you want to pass and I agree with thought @Godsbrothershared earlier about putting ourselves in position to take BPA. I think Willis will be gone before we pick, but if he's around the anti-QB in round one crowd might spend next 10 minutes puckered up.

@JimNagy_SB

Mar 14

Even with Trubisky signing, could see Steelers doubling-down on draft day with either Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis. Trubisky as bridge guy for Willis would be a smart strategy.
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Makes sense if Willis falls to them, but for their fans hopefully they won’t feel the need to give the farm to move up. 
 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
So, do you think we are finished other than re-signing a few more of our own at this point?
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I think maybe 1 more, but might not happen quickly. With Whitehead going to the Jets, idk that there's anyone that would pose a real upgrade. 

Hopefully Witherspoon signs soon. No word yet on Edmunds, Juju, or Adams. 

 
menobrown said:
Expected to sign CB Levi Wallace formerly of Bills

2/8m
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That's a solid signing, he's not great but he's decent. I wonder if this means we're not bringing back Witherspoon? I saw Aditi post that a deal was in the works but no news since then. I'd rather have Witherspoon, I think. If we also sign Witherspoon that would give us Sutton/Witherspoon/Wallace with Pierre and Maulet as backups. Could reduce our need for CB through the draft, though we could definitely use an upgrade and Sutton is in the final year of his deal. 

This isn't projected to be a great Safety class from my understanding, I think it's likely they bring back Edmunds with Whitehead going elsewhere, unfortunately. Hopefully we don't overpay and are still able to get out of his contract in 1-2 years if we find an upgrade. 

 
Levi Wallace is a very good signing at that price point.  He's a perfectly competent starter and fantastic depth if you don't need to start him.  I would have preferred that the Bills retain him at that price, but whatever.  Nice get.

 
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Freakin Bud Dupree, if he wasn't injured last year we would have gotten a 3rd round pick. Also, if we don't re-sign Witherspoon that trade looks even worse because it will have cost two 5th round picks instead of just 1. 

 
song said:
not that i didn't trust you, but i checked.  PFF ranked him as QB 30 that year, just behind Blake Bortles, and significantly ahead of # 31 Lamar Jackson.  Jackson was the MVP the next year.  stats and rankings huh?
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30 is when players under a snap threshold are removed. 

 
Drunken Cowboy said:
He lost a step last year. I expect he loses another. 
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Me too.   I would take him for depth and mentoring at league minimum but his starting days are over. 

ETA:  I think we need to be patient with Witherspoon.  My guess is that his initial asking price was too high and the Steelers are letting him test the market.  The problem for Witherspoon is that with every passing day the going rate of most free agents will go down.   

As much as we would like him back it's not like Witherspoon is a hot commodity in the free agency market.  Either someone will overpay (unlikely at this point) or he'll be back at a reasonable price. 

 
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Witherspoon is junk.   I hope they dont feel a need to sign another backup CB with no speed to keep up with WRs.   Just wait a while, there will be other, better CBs they can sign.   Still need a safety, or resign Edmunds.   He cant be expensive.

 
From a neutral observer who watched a few Steelers games, solve ILB and that defense will be markedly improved. Schoebert shouldn’t be on an NFL roster and Devin Bush looked horrendous last year.

any word if the Steelers are talking to some of the ILB on the market?

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
What about JuJu?  Seems like it may come down to KC, Tenn, and Steelers with Bears in the mix? 
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Have not heard a credible peep and he's been silent on social media. Can't imagine he returns to Steelers though, at least not on a one year deal.In fact out of those teams you listed only team I think he'd sign up for one year is KC, as the others don't offer QB's who can help his value.

 
Balco said:
From a neutral observer who watched a few Steelers games, solve ILB and that defense will be markedly improved. Schoebert shouldn’t be on an NFL roster and Devin Bush looked horrendous last year.

any word if the Steelers are talking to some of the ILB on the market?
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they would likely need to release Schobert before signing another iLB.   They can restructure him, get him way down from the $8M he is due, or just release him.   Can also release Banner at any moment to free up around $5M.   I also believe iLB moves up their draft board, and if the big hoss DL from UGA isnt there at 20, or Penning at OT, iLB might be the pick.   Lloyd would be my pick, if there.

I agree on your assessment of Schobert.

 
Just read this 

Josh Carney

@ByJoshCarney

In his latest #Steelers chat, PG's Gerry Dulac stated that the market is "worse" this year than last year for JuJu Smith-Schuster, and said that he believes there's a "good chance" he will return to Pittsburgh.

 
Is it possible they want Daniels at Center? He started there in college me some for the Bears.

or maybe as a backup plan if Green fails again

 
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Well, that wasn't something I expected.

Scuttlebutt today was that they were sniffing around Honey Badger.  Didn't see Jack and the Steelers being mentioned anywhere the past few days other than here.
 

 
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DB market (esp S) has been extra soft so far.  Think they're waiting to see what happens with their own guys before they do anything more at either of those spots in FA.  If the market for S stays soft, they may just bring back Edmunds super cheap.  Hell, they could do the same with Haden (just not as a starter) if Witherspoon's asking price isn't to their liking.
 

 
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