2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (6 Viewers)

[5-ish Finkle]

I think you are completely wrong on him. He is the best QB in the class. He is an elite athlete with a huge arm. He separates himself from others by his abilities reading defenses though. 

It can be argued that Ridder certainly has the most experience of any of the available "top" QBs in this class, which I assume has helped him with the recognition stuff.  I'll give him that.  He has got to fix his footwork or it won't matter though.   His accuracy issues are real (I'd wager the fact he's a 4th year Sr. and still has the footwork issue has to at least be a mild concern for teams). 

So are Willis', as far as the goes, particularly in the intermediate part of the field....which is where most NFL offenses are gonna eat.  That is the primary reason why I do not like the guy.  He's an amazing athlete.  He isn't a QB yet.  Not really. 

I don't want them drafting either of them in round 1. (Or anyone others, honestly).  Willis in the first even if they can take him at 20, or Ridder in the 2nd?  I'd probably take Ridder in the second 100 times out of a 100.  Both will be serious projects for whomever drafts them, IMO.  I'd much rather go with the one that won't cost me a shot at a starting caliber DL, OT or CB.  At least Ridder has beat some legit Power 5 teams.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

It can be argued that Ridder certainly has the most experience of any of the available "top" QBs in this class, which I assume has helped him with the recognition stuff.  I'll give him that.  He has got to fix his footwork or it won't matter though.   His accuracy issues are real (I'd wager the fact he's a 4th year Sr. and still has the footwork issue has to at least be a mild concern for teams). 

So are Willis', as far as the goes, particularly in the intermediate part of the field....which is where most NFL offenses are gonna eat.  That is the primary reason why I do not like the guy.  He's an amazing athlete.  He isn't a QB yet.  Not really. 

I don't want them drafting either of them in round 1. (Or anyone others, honestly).  Willis in the first even if they can take him at 20, or Ridder in the 2nd?  I'd probably take Ridder in the second 100 times out of a 100.  Both will be serious projects for whomever drafts them, IMO.  I'd much rather go with the one that won't cost me a shot at a starting caliber DL, OT or CB.  At least Ridder has beat some legit Power 5 teams.

His footwork is pretty good. His accuracy was dramatically better this year. He started working with Palmer in the offseason and it made a huge difference. I expect to see some continuing improvement in accuracy. 

Ridder is not going to be available with their 2nd round pick. I am not confident he is there at 20. I would be surprised if any of the top 5 are there at 52.  They are all ranked in the top 50 prospects and there are a ton of teams that need QB's.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Even if QBs slide, they have to get past

Detroit at 32 and 34

Giants at 36

Texans at 37

Seattle at 40 and 41

Indy at 42

Atlanta at 43

Washington at 47

New Orleans at 49

Philadelphia at 51.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I am totally comfortable with them passing on all of them if it requires burning a 1st.  Particularly if it means trading up.  If that means they don't get any of them, then so be it.

If I were forced to pick a scenario that MIGHT happen as of this day, I think it's clear Tomlin has fallen in love with Willis and he is the only guy they'd burn a first on.  Having said that, I don't think any of the FO (including Tomlin) have any real intention of attempting to trade up into the top 10 regardless of how much they love a dude.  They don't have the draft capital and they know it. 

It appears that at least one of the teams with a need (and "more money than sense") is going to make Willis a top 12 pick. I think that's nuts, and I say they're welcome to him.

 

 

[steelers1080]

I think you are completely wrong on him. He is the best QB in the class. He is an elite athlete with a huge arm. He separates himself from others by his abilities reading defenses though. 

Why do you think he failed so spectacularly against an Alabama defense that isn't as highly regarded as many previous years?

I'll admit that I've only seen 2 Ridder games and that was one of them and it's coloring my opinion of him because he appeared hapless against a very good defense, but one that is much worse than what he'd face in the NFL. The likes of SMU, Tulsa, South Florida, East Carolina, etc. don't really give me confidence that he's faced the best of the best... He might have some athletic traits and be able to read defenses against lesser competition, but I haven't seen anyone rate him as a top 3 QB in this class. 

 

[steelers1080]

It appears that at least one of the teams with a need (and "more money than sense") is going to make Willis a top 12 pick. I think that's nuts, and I say they're welcome to him.

I'm hoping and praying that recent predictions of 4 QBs gone before pick 20 are right. I don't think they are, but I hope they are. That would leave us some combo of: Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Kyle Hamilton, Travon Walker, Evan Neal, Icky Ekwonu, Sauce Gardner, Charles Cross, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson II, Jordan Davis, Tyler Linderbaum, Drake London, Derek Stingley Jr. or whoever else tickles their fancy. 

Some people are writing off pass rusher because we have Watt and Highsmith, but we have no 3rd guy and I'm not sure the Steelers will be willing to pay 2 pass rushers huge contracts, we'll need to secure an OLB this year or next year if Highsmith is going to leave like Dupree. 

I'm still in the I really don't want us to take a QB in the 1st camp, but also expect us to take a QB in the 1st because it's what I don't want to happen...

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I'm hoping and praying that recent predictions of 4 QBs gone before pick 20 are right. I don't think they are, but I hope they are. That would leave us some combo of: Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Kyle Hamilton, Travon Walker, Evan Neal, Icky Ekwonu, Sauce Gardner, Charles Cross, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson II, Jordan Davis, Tyler Linderbaum, Drake London, Derek Stingley Jr. or whoever else tickles their fancy. 

Some people are writing off pass rusher because we have Watt and Highsmith, but we have no 3rd guy and I'm not sure the Steelers will be willing to pay 2 pass rushers huge contracts, we'll need to secure an OLB this year or next year if Highsmith is going to leave like Dupree. 

I'm still in the I really don't want us to take a QB in the 1st camp, but also expect us to take a QB in the 1st because it's what I don't want to happen...

Should have kept Roche . . . .

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Some people are writing off pass rusher because we have Watt and Highsmith, but we have no 3rd guy and I'm not sure the Steelers will be willing to pay 2 pass rushers huge contracts, we'll need to secure an OLB this year or next year if Highsmith is going to leave like Dupree.

I sure haven't (regardless of where they intend to classify the dude they signed from the Eagles yesterday. Seems like a replacement for Taco, honestly, but talking heads are opining he's a candidate for some kind of "Buck/Edge hybrid" that Flores has used prior. We'll see, I guess). 

The "good" news there is that there are more than a few of them available this class that would dovetail fairly well with the Steelers scheme (well, what their scheme was before Butler quit, anyway), and shouldn't take a top 30 pick to secure, if they chose to address it via the draft. 

What I think may be more likely is that they're going to attempt the same thing they did a year ago: Wait out the market and sign a "reasonably priced", older-but still-useful Edge type later in the year that can be relied on as a rotational piece.  I know Ingram moaned his way off the team, but that move was working out pretty okay while he was around.  Hell, they offered Justin Houston a contract a year ago, and he was ready to sign before the Ravens swooped in. He's a FA again, so  maybe there's an angle there?  Assume at his age he'll want go to a contender though.  There are others out there like him, however: Very late 20's/Early 30's.  Has played DE/OLB.  Better rusher than run defender.  Won't cost a ton and will likely be kicking around into June.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Why do you think he failed so spectacularly against an Alabama defense that isn't as highly regarded as many previous years?

I'll admit that I've only seen 2 Ridder games and that was one of them and it's coloring my opinion of him because he appeared hapless against a very good defense, but one that is much worse than what he'd face in the NFL. The likes of SMU, Tulsa, South Florida, East Carolina, etc. don't really give me confidence that he's faced the best of the best... He might have some athletic traits and be able to read defenses against lesser competition, but I haven't seen anyone rate him as a top 3 QB in this class. 

Because he had a bad offensive line that got destroyed by Alabama's defense and generally bad receivers who couldn't get open. 

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Why do you think he failed so spectacularly against an Alabama defense that isn't as highly regarded as many previous years?

I'll admit that I've only seen 2 Ridder games and that was one of them and it's coloring my opinion of him because he appeared hapless against a very good defense, but one that is much worse than what he'd face in the NFL. The likes of SMU, Tulsa, South Florida, East Carolina, etc. don't really give me confidence that he's faced the best of the best... He might have some athletic traits and be able to read defenses against lesser competition, but I haven't seen anyone rate him as a top 3 QB in this class. 

There are multiple sources rating him as QB 1. I am not only on the PFF's main College analyst, Anthony Treash, does. Even if you rate Willis as 1, he is definitely not going to be there at 20. 

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

People are underselling this QB class. I think in part because last years was an amazing group of prospects. There is nobody worth drafting 1 overall in this class. If you compare this top5 to 2020's top 5, I don't think on average it is that bad. Burrow and Tua would clearly be the best prospects in the group. Herbert was QB 3 that year. Kiper was high on him and had him 9, but PFF had him 30th, McShay had him 24. It is hard to forget we have seen him be good, but if you just think of him as a prospect he is a pretty similar prospect to Ridder, Willis, Howell and Pickett. I think this group is all better as a prospect than Love.

Should you draft one of these guys at 2 if you are Detroit, probably not. Carolina at 6, maybe. At 20, none of these guys are a reach.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

People are underselling this QB class. I think in part because last years was an amazing group of prospects. There is nobody worth drafting 1 overall in this class. If you compare this top5 to 2020's top 5, I don't think on average it is that bad. Burrow and Tua would clearly be the best prospects in the group. Herbert was QB 3 that year. Kiper was high on him and had him 9, but PFF had him 30th, McShay had him 24. It is hard to forget we have seen him be good, but if you just think of him as a prospect he is a pretty similar prospect to Ridder, Willis, Howell and Pickett. I think this group is all better as a prospect than Love.

Should you draft one of these guys at 2 if you are Detroit, probably not. Carolina at 6, maybe. At 20, none of these guys are a reach.

The storyline of this being a bad QB class is probably too overblown at this point for sure.  I trust Tomlin and Colbert.  If they like a guy, they like a guy.  Ridder is probably my top QB, then Willis, Pickett, and Strong (I think his knees will be fine).  Team has needs everywhere -- QB in first probably depends on what they think Mitch and Haskins have left to offer.  They are young and have pedigree.  

 

[steelers1080]

Steelers apparently signed Genard Avery, a rotational OLB. Potentially less of a need now, but I don't think Avery is considered a game changer, just depth. 

 

[steelers1080]

Honey Badger said that Tomlin called him, so the Steelers interest was at least real at some point. Wonder if they have a standing offer to him and he's just waiting to see if anything improves post-draft when teams miss out on Safety options. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Other than taking two WRs, this is a pretty reasonable mock draft -- and maybe they do take two of them?

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/allsteelers-plus/pittsburgh-steelers-mock-draft-secrets

Round 1, Pick 20: Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati

Round 2, Pick 52: Skyy Moore, WR, Western Michigan

Round 3, Pick 84: Nicholas Petit-Frere, OT, Ohio State

Round 4, Pick 138: Danny Gray, WR, SMU

Round 6, Pick 208: Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa, Edge, Notre Dame

Round 7, Pick 225: Jermaine Waller, DB, Virginia Tech

Round 7, Pick 241: Cole Turner, TE, Nevada

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Other than taking two WRs, this is a pretty reasonable mock draft -- and maybe they do take two of them?

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/allsteelers-plus/pittsburgh-steelers-mock-draft-secrets

Round 1, Pick 20: Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati

Round 2, Pick 52: Skyy Moore, WR, Western Michigan

Round 3, Pick 84: Nicholas Petit-Frere, OT, Ohio State

Round 4, Pick 138: Danny Gray, WR, SMU

Round 6, Pick 208: Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa, Edge, Notre Dame

Round 7, Pick 225: Jermaine Waller, DB, Virginia Tech

Round 7, Pick 241: Cole Turner, TE, Nevada

I could see them taking two WRs....but they've essentially taken three by selecting Turner in the 7th.    

See they got the requisite guy from Ohio State in there for Tomlin too.  This person's paying attention, if nothing else.  Coach T sure does love him his Buckeyes.

I think Moore's stock has jumped a ton since end of the NCAA season too.  Not sure he'll be making it to 52, necessarily.

I like Gray.  Dude can fly and goes all out.  Has some potential on returns too.

 

[steelers1080]

Did a mock draft on the mock draft network, not sure how realistic but didn't feel too bad about it. I think maybe Wilson falling to 20 and Zappe falling to late 7th are the least realistic.

• 20 - Garrett Wilson, WR
  
• 52 - Travis Jones, DL
  
• 84 - Darian Kinnard, OL
  
• 138 - Jalen Watson, CB
  
• 208 - Tre Turner, WR
  
• 225 - Amari Carter, S
  
• 241 - Bailey Zappe, QB
  
• UDFA - Connor Heyward, FB/HB
  

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Other than taking two WRs, this is a pretty reasonable mock draft -- and maybe they do take two of them?

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/allsteelers-plus/pittsburgh-steelers-mock-draft-secrets

Round 1, Pick 20: Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati

Round 2, Pick 52: Skyy Moore, WR, Western Michigan

Round 3, Pick 84: Nicholas Petit-Frere, OT, Ohio State

Round 4, Pick 138: Danny Gray, WR, SMU

Round 6, Pick 208: Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa, Edge, Notre Dame

Round 7, Pick 225: Jermaine Waller, DB, Virginia Tech

Round 7, Pick 241: Cole Turner, TE, Nevada

Ridder and Moore would have me over the moon

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Did a mock draft on the mock draft network, not sure how realistic but didn't feel too bad about it. I think maybe Wilson falling to 20 and Zappe falling to late 7th are the least realistic.

• 20 - Garrett Wilson, WR
  
• 52 - Travis Jones, DL
  
• 84 - Darian Kinnard, OL
  
• 138 - Jalen Watson, CB
  
• 208 - Tre Turner, WR
  
• 225 - Amari Carter, S
  
• 241 - Bailey Zappe, QB
  
• UDFA - Connor Heyward, FB/HB
  

Did one of these earlier on there, and only a single QB was taken in the first (Willis at 18).

Wilson falling to 20 would make an interesting 15 minutes while Pittsbrugh was the on the clock, if nothing else.
 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Pro Football Network's mock seems to be more up to date with where the QBs are probably going.  Here is what I got there:

20. Desmond Ridder QB Cincinnati

52. DeMarvin Leal DT Texas A&M

84. Justyn Ross WR Clemson

138. Nick Cross S Maryland

208. Cordell Volson OT North Dakota State

225. Christopher Allen EDGE Alabama

241. Kyler McMichael CB North Carolina

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Pro Football Network's mock seems to be more up to date with where the QBs are probably going.  Here is what I got there:

20. Desmond Ridder QB Cincinnati

52. DeMarvin Leal DT Texas A&M

84. Justyn Ross WR Clemson

138. Nick Cross S Maryland

208. Cordell Volson OT North Dakota State

225. Christopher Allen EDGE Alabama

241. Kyler McMichael CB North Carolina

Not sure Leal makes sense in a 3-4. I like this otherwise 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

This is really useful to try and glean where the Steelers may be leaning:

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/03/2022-steelers-pro-day-tracker/

Steelers ran Pickens and Ross through their Pro Day drills.

Dunbar was at Texas A&M.

 

[steelers1080]

Pretty happy with Myles Jack at 2 years $16 mil since Wagner got 5 years $50 mil ($65 with incentives). Though Wagner's contract probably isn't structured so that he'll be here in 3+ years if his play declines. 

 

[belljr]

Whatever happens we don't need another 3rd round QB

 

[cloppbeast]

Hoping for Pickett.

 

[steelers1080]

Whatever happens we don't need another 3rd round QB

I'd be ok with Willis in the 3rd 

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Whatever happens we don't need another 3rd round QB

Hell, one could prolly make an argument that any QB they'd select in round 1 this year is pretty much a round 3 quality guy most other years.

 

[H8fulHuck]

Got my ticket for the Ridder bus.  He is the only QB I truly like as a from this class.  Leader. Work ethic. Sharp mental acuity. If the FO believes in him, it’ll be worth moving up if we can.

If the Steelers miss out, adding draft capital for next year isn’t a bad way to go. 

My take on Malik Willis is he’s not going to develop into a full time QB star.  He’d be perfect in a Kordell Slash role which would be FUN, but that’s too much to pay as a first round selection.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Steelers have met with every top QB, sending full contingents so they are serious about this class.

If they have narrowed down the search to one-guy, then moving up isn't a possibility it is probable. 

2022 NFL Draft: Six Round 1 trades that would make sense

Pittsburgh Steelers TRADE WITH Minnesota Vikings

Steelers receive:

• No. 12 overall (Round 1)
  

Vikings receive:

• No. 20 overall (Round 1)
  
• 2023 first-round choice
  
• 2023 third-round choice
  

 

[steeler6]

Steelers have met with every top QB, sending full contingents so they are serious about this class.

If they have narrowed down the search to one-guy, then moving up isn't a possibility it is probable. 

2022 NFL Draft: Six Round 1 trades that would make sense

Pittsburgh Steelers TRADE WITH Minnesota Vikings

Steelers receive:

• No. 12 overall (Round 1)
  

Vikings receive:

• No. 20 overall (Round 1)
  
• 2023 first-round choice
  
• 2023 third-round choice
  

Don't like that. That's more than they paid to move up to 10 to take Devin Bush. 

 

[H8fulHuck]

Next year draft capital will be far more valuable for teams searching for a QB. Steelers better be right if they pull the trigger on a big trade up this year. 

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Steelers have met with every top QB, sending full contingents so they are serious about this class.

If they have narrowed down the search to one-guy, then moving up isn't a possibility it is probable. 

2022 NFL Draft: Six Round 1 trades that would make sense

Pittsburgh Steelers TRADE WITH Minnesota Vikings

Steelers receive:

• No. 12 overall (Round 1)
  

Vikings receive:

• No. 20 overall (Round 1)
  
• 2023 first-round choice
  
• 2023 third-round choice
  

That is pretty steep for the 12th spot. 

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Got my ticket for the Ridder bus.  He is the only QB I truly like as a from this class.  Leader. Work ethic. Sharp mental acuity. If the FO believes in him, it’ll be worth moving up if we can.

If the Steelers miss out, adding draft capital for next year isn’t a bad way to go. 

My take on Malik Willis is he’s not going to develop into a full time QB star.  He’d be perfect in a Kordell Slash role which would be FUN, but that’s too much to pay as a first round selection.

Korbel is the perfect comp for Willis

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Korbel is the perfect comp for Willis

Kordell is probably the "dream scenario" of what Willis turns into, honestly.  Precisely why I don't want them burning a first on him.  Elite athlete.  Not an elite QB.

I'd rather see them just stand pat and take whatever playmaker falls to them at 20 than pay the freight on that trade up scenario.  WR, LB....whatever.   Treylon Burks/Garret Wilson at 20 over that deal for Willis?  Give me the WR 100 times out of a 100.

 

[Godsbrother]

That is pretty steep for the 12th spot. 

I would sincerely hate that trade.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Korbel is the perfect comp for Willis

That was a weird autocorrect

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Kordell is probably the "dream scenario" of what Willis turns into, honestly.  Precisely why I don't want them burning a first on him.  Elite athlete.  Not an elite QB.

I'd rather see them just stand pat and take whatever playmaker falls to them at 20 than pay the freight on that trade up scenario.  WR, LB....whatever.   Treylon Burks/Garret Wilson at 20 over that deal for Willis?  Give me the WR 100 times out of a 100.

He does have upside to be a great QB. I have no issues taking him at 20. By 20 all the guys available have question marks.

 

[steelers1080]

With the Saints leveraging 2023 to get an additional 1st in 2022, I'm hopeful that they plan to take a QB. I'm hoping with fingers and toes crossed that 4 QBs go before pick 20 and we don't trade up. If that happens, an awesome player will be available for us at 20. We could get someone absolutely crazy that we never saw coming like Kyle Hamilton, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Derek Stingley, etc. If there is a QB run its going to push other players down. 

The Steelers have been to every major QB pro-day, but they should be doing that whether or not they plan to take one in the 1st. If you aren't positive you have a franchise QB, you go and see if you think there is one available. I still think it's possible they go QB in the 1st, but I don't think it's guaranteed like some seem to think.

I'm hoping that Willis goes top 5 because someone trades up ahead of the Panthers, Panthers take Pickett at 6, then Corral and Ridder go to some combo of the Falcons/Seahawks/Saints or a surprise team like the Titans. 

At this point, no clue what to think, there could be 2 1st round QBs or 4. 

 

[pghrob]

With the Saints leveraging 2023 to get an additional 1st in 2022, I'm hopeful that they plan to take a QB. I'm hoping with fingers and toes crossed that 4 QBs go before pick 20 and we don't trade up. If that happens, an awesome player will be available for us at 20. We could get someone absolutely crazy that we never saw coming like Kyle Hamilton, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Derek Stingley, etc. If there is a QB run its going to push other players down. 

The Steelers have been to every major QB pro-day, but they should be doing that whether or not they plan to take one in the 1st. If you aren't positive you have a franchise QB, you go and see if you think there is one available. I still think it's possible they go QB in the 1st, but I don't think it's guaranteed like some seem to think.

I'm hoping that Willis goes top 5 because someone trades up ahead of the Panthers, Panthers take Pickett at 6, then Corral and Ridder go to some combo of the Falcons/Seahawks/Saints or a surprise team like the Titans. 

At this point, no clue what to think, there could be 2 1st round QBs or 4. 

Great post.  The Steelers should be patient and let the draft fall to them. Hopefully they do not overdraft a quarterback in round one. Otherwise what's the point of their signing Trubitzburgh?  I can't imagine the Steelers thinking their next franchise quarterback is one of the top quarterbacks in the 2022 draft. Certainly none of them are worth trading draft capital to move up earlier than pick 20 to get one of them which is why your post makes such a perfect sense. The Steelers stand to have tremendous value drop to them at pick 20 if other teams covet any of these b-grade quarterbacks as first rounders. Let Trubitzburgh get his shot in 2022. If he isn't the answer then find their franchise quarterback in 2023.

 

[steelcityman]

With the Saints leveraging 2023 to get an additional 1st in 2022, I'm hopeful that they plan to take a QB. I'm hoping with fingers and toes crossed that 4 QBs go before pick 20 and we don't trade up. If that happens, an awesome player will be available for us at 20. We could get someone absolutely crazy that we never saw coming like Kyle Hamilton, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Derek Stingley, etc. If there is a QB run its going to push other players down. 

The Steelers have been to every major QB pro-day, but they should be doing that whether or not they plan to take one in the 1st. If you aren't positive you have a franchise QB, you go and see if you think there is one available. I still think it's possible they go QB in the 1st, but I don't think it's guaranteed like some seem to think.

I'm hoping that Willis goes top 5 because someone trades up ahead of the Panthers, Panthers take Pickett at 6, then Corral and Ridder go to some combo of the Falcons/Seahawks/Saints or a surprise team like the Titans. 

At this point, no clue what to think, there could be 2 1st round QBs or 4. 

I still want Penning.   I'd trade up to get him too.   Chuks stinks.   To have 2 solid OTs for years would be really nice.  Najee would appreciate it.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I still want Penning.   I'd trade up to get him too.   Chuks stinks.   To have 2 solid OTs for years would be really nice.  Najee would appreciate it.

You don't trade up in the 1st to take a RT

 

[steelcityman]

You don't trade up in the 1st to take a RT

they can do anything they want.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

they can do anything they want.

Damn skippy. 

When has moving-up for a QB ever worked? 

Forget about Mahomes... Lamar Jackson... and Josh Allen, or Desaun Wats...  

 

[steelers1080]

Damn skippy. 

When has moving-up for a QB ever worked? 

Forget about Mahomes... Lamar Jackson... and Josh Allen, or Desaun Wats...  

or other 1st round QBs like:

• Vince Young
  
• Matt Leinart
  
• Jamarcus Russell
  
• Brady Quinn
  
• Josh Freeman
  
• Mark Sanchez
  
• Tim Tebow
  
• Sam Bradford
  
• Jake Locker
  
• Blaine Gabbert
  
• Christian Ponder
  
• RG III
  
• Brandon Weeden
  
• EJ Manuel
  
• Blake Bortles
  
• Johnny Manziel
  
• Teddy Bridgewater
  
• Jameis Winston
  
• Marcus Mariota
  
• Jared Goff
  
• Carson Wentz
  
• Paxton Lynch
  
• Mitch Trubisky
  
• Baker Mayfield
  
• Sam Darnold
  
• Josh Rosen
  
• Daniel Jones
  
• Dwayne Haskins
  
• Tua
  
• Jordan Love
  

It's a crapshoot, and we're going to have to take a shot at QB soon unless something unprecedented happens and Trubisky has somehow drastically improved. But in a year that's more reminiscent of Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, than Watson/Mahomes, it makes sense to wait and see what Mitch has to offer. 

 

[cloppbeast]

or other 1st round QBs like:

• Vince Young
  
• Matt Leinart
  
• Jamarcus Russell
  
• Brady Quinn
  
• Josh Freeman
  
• Mark Sanchez
  
• Tim Tebow
  
• Sam Bradford
  
• Jake Locker
  
• Blaine Gabbert
  
• Christian Ponder
  
• RG III
  
• Brandon Weeden
  
• EJ Manuel
  
• Blake Bortles
  
• Johnny Manziel
  
• Teddy Bridgewater
  
• Jameis Winston
  
• Marcus Mariota
  
• Jared Goff
  
• Carson Wentz
  
• Paxton Lynch
  
• Mitch Trubisky
  
• Baker Mayfield
  
• Sam Darnold
  
• Josh Rosen
  
• Daniel Jones
  
• Dwayne Haskins
  
• Tua
  
• Jordan Love
  

It's a crapshoot, and we're going to have to take a shot at QB soon unless something unprecedented happens and Trubisky has somehow drastically improved. But in a year that's more reminiscent of Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, than Watson/Mahomes, it makes sense to wait and see what Mitch has to offer. 

Good point.

I remember reading that o-line has the best chances for first round. Which happens to be the Steelers biggest need imo. I say go with a lineman. If Mitch is still a lousy bum then you're picking better than 18 next year for a chance at a qb, who also has a good linemen to help him.

Except if Pickett is there, because I love that guy.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

The Steelers should be patient and let the draft fall to them.

This is all I want, really.  Let the draft come to them, take the best player available at a position of need (they certainly have more than one of those).

If they stand pat and then decide INSERT QB HERE is the guy they just MUST have, so be it.  Just don't be irrational and trade up to take the next Blake Bortles.  I won't be super excited with a Ridder/Corral/Howell at 20, but at least I can see an argument for it if the front office is convinced one of them is "it."  They had damn well better be right though.

 

 

[steelers1080]

I hate when people say that certain positions "aren't worth that pick". If you can find a player that will play their whole 10+ year career for your team in the 1st round at a high level, that's good value. If we can take Jordan Davis at 20 and he is a staple on our D-line shutting down opponents' running game, I'd take that "sure thing" over risking a higher value position like CB or QB (in this class). 

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

You are all pretending that any non QB is automatically going to be great and a QB is guaranteed to bust. DL bust at a similar rate as QB. Nobody who is available at 20 is a great prospect. There are a bunch of players who could be great but have questions about them. This includes all top 5 QB prospects. However if a QB hits it makes a real difference in team outcome. 

 

[Godsbrother]

You are all pretending that any non QB is automatically going to be great and a QB is guaranteed to bust. DL bust at a similar rate as QB. Nobody who is available at 20 is a great prospect. There are a bunch of players who could be great but have questions about them. This includes all top 5 QB prospects. However if a QB hits it makes a real difference in team outcome. 

I get your point but I don’t agree at all that no one at 20 is a great prospect.  I would argue that most players in the first round are great prospects, otherwise they wouldn’t have been selected.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I get your point but I don’t agree at all that no one at 20 is a great prospect.  I would argue that most players in the first round are great prospects, otherwise they wouldn’t have been selected.

They are the same level prospects as the QBs everyone here seems to hate