2024-25 NBA Thread: Stephen A leading ESPN’s draft coverage by yelling about players he’s never heard of until now (174 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

Pacers were not about to have to go back to NY and try to win a game 7 in front of all those celebrities.

They did it last year but to do it again would be a tough ask.

I think last year half the Knicks team was injured for game 7.

 

[Capella]

Real shame we’ll never see another game on TNT. That’s unbelievable to me.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Hard to pick who actually deserves the ECF MVP between Haliburton and Siakam.

 

[Major]

Real shame we’ll never see another game on TNT. That’s unbelievable to me.

That is a crazy thought. TNT and the NBA have been a thing since I was a kid.

 

[boilerdave]

And a logo three to put the nail in.

Hali came to play tonight.

 

[boilerdave]

SmilrHard to pick who actually deserves the ECF MVP between Haliburton and Siakam.

Good point. But I don’t care which one gets it.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Real shame we’ll never see another game on TNT. That’s unbelievable to me.

Maybe I’m in the minority, but their studio show has actually started to get a bit stale IMO. Their in-game production is always excellent though.

 

[msudaisy26]

Real shame we’ll never see another game on TNT. That’s unbelievable to me.

Maybe I’m in the minority, but their studio show has actually started to get a bit stale IMO. Their in-game production is always excellent though.

EJ is still top tier and Barkely is still very entertaining, but Shaq is awful and has been mailing it in for years and I think Kenny kind of mailed it in this year.

 

[identikit]

PACERS!!!!!

 

[identikit]

Real shame we’ll never see another game on TNT. That’s unbelievable to me.

Maybe I’m in the minority, but their studio show has actually started to get a bit stale IMO. Their in-game production is always excellent though.

EJ is still top tier and Barkely is still very entertaining, but Shaq is awful and has been mailing it in for years and I think Kenny kind of mailed it in this year.

Still, by comparison to the ESPN yuckfest, there's no comparison

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Real shame we’ll never see another game on TNT. That’s unbelievable to me.

Maybe I’m in the minority, but their studio show has actually started to get a bit stale IMO. Their in-game production is always excellent though.

EJ is still top tier and Barkely is still very entertaining, but Shaq is awful and has been mailing it in for years and I think Kenny kind of mailed it in this year.

Still, by comparison to the ESPN yuckfest, there's no comparison

Yeah, the margin is a distant one. I can't stand any others and part of that is due to how good TBS is. Hell, I tuned into as much of the guys coverage as I did the games. Maybe more. I mean, were these series good? Final 8 teams -- others are u$eless -- went 24 - 10. Nuggets / North Korea was the only good series. Lots of blowouts too. The east didn't see one game 7.

The tribute show they did the other night was cool, recommend checking it out if you missed it.

SVP is similar for me, compared to his peers. Like Capella to the subtitle game.

P.S. Love Shaq's F-bomb goodbye just now.

 

[Redwes25]

Congrats to Pacers. Unfortunately this series was won/lost in game 1. Knicks entirely blew it there and Pacers did everything they needed to hold onto advantage it gave them.

 

[msudaisy26]

I believe this are the two best teams. The Thunder is head and shoulders ahead. I think the Pacers are in the next group and their depth would give everyone problems and I just think they are playing the best of the teams in the tier after the Thunder

 

[thecatch]

I think this is going to be a sweep.

 

[Jayrod]

I think this is going to be a sweep.

I think Indy gets 2, with a 10% chance for an upset if they play out of their minds.

 

[Jayrod]

I believe this are the two best teams. The Thunder is head and shoulders ahead. I think the Pacers are in the next group and their depth would give everyone problems and I just think they are playing the best of the teams in the tier after the Thunder

Indy was absolutely the best East team in the playoffs (duh).

The West had 2 better teams, IMO. I think Denver was playing good enough to win it, but OKC was just too deep for them.

 

[msudaisy26]

I believe this are the two best teams. The Thunder is head and shoulders ahead. I think the Pacers are in the next group and their depth would give everyone problems and I just think they are playing the best of the teams in the tier after the Thunder

Indy was absolutely the best East team in the playoffs (duh).

The West had 2 better teams, IMO. I think Denver was playing good enough to win it, but OKC was just too deep for them.

I think the Pacers depth would have won out in 7 games against the Nuggets.

I think the Nuggets took the Thunder to seven because the Thunder blew game one and they just played horrible most of the series.

 

[AAABatteries]

I think the couple of injuries the Pacers have will hurt any chance at the upset. OKC comes at you in waves. I’ll take OKC in 5.

 

[GOB]

Magic in 4

 

[identikit]

I'll go with the underdog

Obviously

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Pacers played really well and are a very good young team.

Knicks probably blew their best shot at a Conference Finals in this makeup - although they may have one more run in them, there’s likely not enough elite talent to take the next step with this group.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I’ll root for the Pacers but OKC just looks so good.

 

[Yo Mama]

Pacers played really well and are a very good young team.

Knicks probably blew their best shot at a Conference Finals in this makeup - although they may have one more run in them, there’s likely not enough elite talent to take the next step with this group.

I think the Knicks will be one of the favorites to come out of the east next year (assuming they don’t blow things up). They have a chance to build some depth around their core this offseason. Now they’ll just need Thibs to use some of that depth of course.

 

[scoobus]

Pacers played really well and are a very good young team.

Knicks probably blew their best shot at a Conference Finals in this makeup - although they may have one more run in them, there’s likely not enough elite talent to take the next step with this group.

I think the Knicks will be one of the favorites to come out of the east next year (assuming they don’t blow things up). They have a chance to build some depth around their core this offseason. Now they’ll just need Thibs to use some of that depth of course.

Do they though, how much money do they have? That’s a pretty expensive core.

 

[Yo Mama]

Pacers played really well and are a very good young team.

Knicks probably blew their best shot at a Conference Finals in this makeup - although they may have one more run in them, there’s likely not enough elite talent to take the next step with this group.

I think the Knicks will be one of the favorites to come out of the east next year (assuming they don’t blow things up). They have a chance to build some depth around their core this offseason. Now they’ll just need Thibs to use some of that depth of course.

Do they though, how much money do they have? That’s a pretty expensive core.

Yeah I think their biggest decision is a Bridges extension this season.

 

[msudaisy26]

Pacers played really well and are a very good young team.

Knicks probably blew their best shot at a Conference Finals in this makeup - although they may have one more run in them, there’s likely not enough elite talent to take the next step with this group.

I think the Knicks will be one of the favorites to come out of the east next year (assuming they don’t blow things up). They have a chance to build some depth around their core this offseason. Now they’ll just need Thibs to use some of that depth of course.

Thibs actually did a nice job stealing minutes with his bench against the Pacers. If he can do that in the regular season the Knicks should be better off in the playoffs.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Pacers played really well and are a very good young team.

Knicks probably blew their best shot at a Conference Finals in this makeup - although they may have one more run in them, there’s likely not enough elite talent to take the next step with this group.

I think the Knicks will be one of the favorites to come out of the east next year (assuming they don’t blow things up). They have a chance to build some depth around their core this offseason. Now they’ll just need Thibs to use some of that depth of course.

Do they though, how much money do they have? That’s a pretty expensive core.

Yeah I think their biggest decision is a Bridges extension this season.

Got to find a way to keep him with what they paid to acquire him.

 

[Major]

Pacers played really well and are a very good young team.

Knicks probably blew their best shot at a Conference Finals in this makeup - although they may have one more run in them, there’s likely not enough elite talent to take the next step with this group.

I think the Knicks will be one of the favorites to come out of the east next year (assuming they don’t blow things up). They have a chance to build some depth around their core this offseason. Now they’ll just need Thibs to use some of that depth of course.

Do they though, how much money do they have? That’s a pretty expensive core.

Yeah I think their biggest decision is a Bridges extension this season.

I don't think that's much of a decision. After coughing up 5 1sts they'll give him whatever because they can't afford to let him walk.

 

[Gr00vus]

I think this is going to be a sweep.

If both teams brought their A game every game, it would be an OKC sweep. I figure OKC will have at least one off game though, so I'm thinking OKC in 5.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Pacers played really well and are a very good young team.

Knicks probably blew their best shot at a Conference Finals in this makeup - although they may have one more run in them, there’s likely not enough elite talent to take the next step with this group.

I think the Knicks will be one of the favorites to come out of the east next year (assuming they don’t blow things up). They have a chance to build some depth around their core this offseason. Now they’ll just need Thibs to use some of that depth of course.

Do they though, how much money do they have? That’s a pretty expensive core.

Yeah I think their biggest decision is a Bridges extension this season.

That doesn’t really have that much to do with adding depth for next year though. They can use the tax mle and minimums and maybe trade Josh hart plus the 26 WAS protected first, if it would somehow net them two role players. Assuming no one wants to take Towns. Of course, betting against Brock Aller+Leon Rose at your own peril at this point.

 

[Instinctive]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

 

[Redwes25]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

 

[nirad3]

I’ll root for the Pacers but OKC just looks so good.

Same, especially since I'll be in Indy for Game 1 this Thursday. Still trying to figure out if there'll be a "watch party" somewhere in downtown Indy. I'm sure there will be. I'm staying downtown and even if there isn't a watch party, I'm sure the bars down there will be hype. Should be a blast!

 

[Jayrod]

I’ll root for the Pacers but OKC just looks so good.

Same, especially since I'll be in Indy for Game 1 this Thursday. Still trying to figure out if there'll be a "watch party" somewhere in downtown Indy. I'm sure there will be. I'm staying downtown and even if there isn't a watch party, I'm sure the bars down there will be hype. Should be a blast!

I drove through Indy mid-day yesterday, but had to be home (6-7 hours from Indy) last night and couldn't stick around for the game. I was trying to figure out how to stay the night there, but my wife had to be back for Summer school this morning.

 

[Instinctive]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

 

[Redwes25]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history - Warriors to 76ers. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

 

[Instinctive]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

 

[Redwes25]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

Not going to argue with someone who is blinded by anger on this. If you can't look at those deals I name realisticly fine by me.

 

[Instinctive]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

Not going to argue with someone who is blinded by anger on this. If you can't look at those deals I name realisticly fine by me.

LOL. That's ok, move the goal posts.

I don't disagree that the actual on court return in those deals is worse. You've decided that's what we are talking about. it is not. We are looking holistically, at the impact on the fanbase. Not the on court product. The anger is the whole point, Redwes. before we talk about being blinded, let's try reading.

 

[Redwes25]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

Not going to argue with someone who is blinded by anger on this. If you can't look at those deals I name realisticly fine by me.

LOL. That's ok, move the goal posts.

I don't disagree that the actual on court return in those deals is worse. You've decided that's what we are talking about. it is not. We are looking holistically, at the impact on the fanbase. Not the on court product. The anger is the whole point, Redwes. before we talk about being blinded, let's try reading.

I never moved goal posts. I said it was a bad trade so deal with it.

Even if under your goal posts the Nets selling Doc J is worse for fan base and destroyed the franchise for decades. You got a hall of famer back, a good young guard and a 1st round pick. Also you got the number 1 picked like 3 months later.

 

[Instinctive]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

Not going to argue with someone who is blinded by anger on this. If you can't look at those deals I name realisticly fine by me.

LOL. That's ok, move the goal posts.

I don't disagree that the actual on court return in those deals is worse. You've decided that's what we are talking about. it is not. We are looking holistically, at the impact on the fanbase. Not the on court product. The anger is the whole point, Redwes. before we talk about being blinded, let's try reading.

I never moved goal posts. I said it was a bad trade so deal with it.

Even if under your goal posts the Nets selling Doc J is worse for fan base and destroyed the franchise for decades. You got a hall of famer back, a good young guard and a 1st round pick.

Thanks for the take. I still don't think you read. It's ok, not everyone wants to read. Just weird to engage repeatedly and still not do so.

Just in case: I am not upset at the trade being bad (though it was). I am upset that two arrogant ******** repeatedly bashed one of the 3 best players in the franchise's history, insulting him over and over, and acted like everyone should be happy he was gone. Upset that they told the greatest player in the history of all Dallas sports (inarguably up there with Aikman, Ryan, and Modano, and the one who spent the longest time with one team EVER) that his opinion and presence were not valued or desired. Upset that it was done with no notice or discussion right on the heels of a Finals appearance, a little. The greater point being, that while the basketball side was and always will be dumb, the method and the underhandedness and the rudeness and the arrogance are the issue.

You're welcome to decide how you'd react or not. You'll obviously judge how I react. But these things are not up for debate. To your "deal with it," I say "I am."

 

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[identikit]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

Not going to argue with someone who is blinded by anger on this. If you can't look at those deals I name realisticly fine by me.

LOL. That's ok, move the goal posts.

I don't disagree that the actual on court return in those deals is worse. You've decided that's what we are talking about. it is not. We are looking holistically, at the impact on the fanbase. Not the on court product. The anger is the whole point, Redwes. before we talk about being blinded, let's try reading.

I never moved goal posts. I said it was a bad trade so deal with it.

Even if under your goal posts the Nets selling Doc J is worse for fan base and destroyed the franchise for decades. You got a hall of famer back, a good young guard and a 1st round pick.

Thanks for the take. I still don't think you read. It's ok, not everyone wants to read. Just weird to engage repeatedly and still not do so.

Just in case: I am not upset at the trade being bad (though it was). I am upset that two arrogant ******** repeatedly bashed one of the 3 best players in the franchise's history, insulting him over and over, and acted like everyone should be happy he was gone. Upset that they told the greatest player in the history of all Dallas sports (inarguably up there with Aikman, Ryan, and Modano, and the one who spent the longest time with one team EVER) that his opinion and presence were not valued or desired. Upset that it was done with no notice or discussion right on the heels of a Finals appearance, a little. The greater point being, that while the basketball side was and always will be dumb, the method and the underhandedness and the rudeness and the arrogance are the issue.

You're welcome to decide how you'd react or not. You'll obviously judge how I react. But these things are not up for debate. To your "deal with it," I say "I am."

Funny, I only know one of Aikman, Ryan, and Modano

 

[Instinctive]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

Not going to argue with someone who is blinded by anger on this. If you can't look at those deals I name realisticly fine by me.

LOL. That's ok, move the goal posts.

I don't disagree that the actual on court return in those deals is worse. You've decided that's what we are talking about. it is not. We are looking holistically, at the impact on the fanbase. Not the on court product. The anger is the whole point, Redwes. before we talk about being blinded, let's try reading.

I never moved goal posts. I said it was a bad trade so deal with it.

Even if under your goal posts the Nets selling Doc J is worse for fan base and destroyed the franchise for decades. You got a hall of famer back, a good young guard and a 1st round pick.

Thanks for the take. I still don't think you read. It's ok, not everyone wants to read. Just weird to engage repeatedly and still not do so.

Just in case: I am not upset at the trade being bad (though it was). I am upset that two arrogant ******** repeatedly bashed one of the 3 best players in the franchise's history, insulting him over and over, and acted like everyone should be happy he was gone. Upset that they told the greatest player in the history of all Dallas sports (inarguably up there with Aikman, Ryan, and Modano, and the one who spent the longest time with one team EVER) that his opinion and presence were not valued or desired. Upset that it was done with no notice or discussion right on the heels of a Finals appearance, a little. The greater point being, that while the basketball side was and always will be dumb, the method and the underhandedness and the rudeness and the arrogance are the issue.

You're welcome to decide how you'd react or not. You'll obviously judge how I react. But these things are not up for debate. To your "deal with it," I say "I am."

Funny, I only know one of Aikman, Ryan, and Modano

Are you from Dallas?

Troy Aikman is a famous NFL QB who won a couple super bowls here.

Nolan Ryan is a famous baseball pitcher who spent the last 5 years of his career here, but also spent so much time in Houston that he's well known. Add in that his brand of beef is sold everywhere...Idk. Maybe Pudge or Palmeiro is a better choice but I think Ryan is probably the best known baseball player in the metroplex.

Mike Modano is a famous hockey player. I think he is widely considered the best Dallas ever had, won a Stanley Cup here, etc.


You could make an argument (and then hope that @Redwes25 actually read it before responding LOL) that football is so important that Mt Rushmore in Dallas is really more like Aikman, Smith, and Irvin alongside Dirk...but even then Dirk is one of the four.

 

[identikit]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

Not going to argue with someone who is blinded by anger on this. If you can't look at those deals I name realisticly fine by me.

LOL. That's ok, move the goal posts.

I don't disagree that the actual on court return in those deals is worse. You've decided that's what we are talking about. it is not. We are looking holistically, at the impact on the fanbase. Not the on court product. The anger is the whole point, Redwes. before we talk about being blinded, let's try reading.

I never moved goal posts. I said it was a bad trade so deal with it.

Even if under your goal posts the Nets selling Doc J is worse for fan base and destroyed the franchise for decades. You got a hall of famer back, a good young guard and a 1st round pick.

Thanks for the take. I still don't think you read. It's ok, not everyone wants to read. Just weird to engage repeatedly and still not do so.

Just in case: I am not upset at the trade being bad (though it was). I am upset that two arrogant ******** repeatedly bashed one of the 3 best players in the franchise's history, insulting him over and over, and acted like everyone should be happy he was gone. Upset that they told the greatest player in the history of all Dallas sports (inarguably up there with Aikman, Ryan, and Modano, and the one who spent the longest time with one team EVER) that his opinion and presence were not valued or desired. Upset that it was done with no notice or discussion right on the heels of a Finals appearance, a little. The greater point being, that while the basketball side was and always will be dumb, the method and the underhandedness and the rudeness and the arrogance are the issue.

You're welcome to decide how you'd react or not. You'll obviously judge how I react. But these things are not up for debate. To your "deal with it," I say "I am."

Funny, I only know one of Aikman, Ryan, and Modano

Are you from Dallas?

Troy Aikman is a famous NFL QB who won a couple super bowls here.

Nolan Ryan is a famous baseball pitcher who spent the last 5 years of his career here, but also spent so much time in Houston that he's well known. Add in that his brand of beef is sold everywhere...Idk. Maybe Pudge or Palmeiro is a better choice but I think Ryan is probably the best known baseball player in the metroplex.

Mike Modano is a famous hockey player. I think he is widely considered the best Dallas ever had, won a Stanley Cup here, etc.


You could make an argument (and then hope that @Redwes25 actually read it before responding LOL) that football is so important that Mt Rushmore in Dallas is really more like Aikman, Smith, and Irvin alongside Dirk...but even then Dirk is one of the four

Yeah, i don't really associate Ryan with Dallas... Texas, yes

His athletic accomplishments came from lots of places, including New York (!) and California

I think your list was limited by a short history window

Certainly Staubach would be a consideration, to me anyways

 

[Instinctive]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

The Wilt trade is the worst trade in NBA history. Worst deal is when the Nets sold Doc J to 76ers.

Which Wilt trade? And how are you scoring "worst?" Because neither comes close.

Warriors to 76ers - they literally couldn't afford his salary, and the city hated him. Did they get a horrible return? yes. Did they alienate any fans? No. That's kind of my point. Today is not like any host of dumb trades - there's a significant level of emotion involved.

76ers to Lakers - he requested the trade. Obviously the return wasn't great, but not remotely close to the same toll on fanbase.

Like I said, you clearly don't understand the player-city connection on top of the legacy with Dirk (and, by the way, how they treated Dirk during and after the trade).

Not going to argue with someone who is blinded by anger on this. If you can't look at those deals I name realisticly fine by me.

LOL. That's ok, move the goal posts.

I don't disagree that the actual on court return in those deals is worse. You've decided that's what we are talking about. it is not. We are looking holistically, at the impact on the fanbase. Not the on court product. The anger is the whole point, Redwes. before we talk about being blinded, let's try reading.

I never moved goal posts. I said it was a bad trade so deal with it.

Even if under your goal posts the Nets selling Doc J is worse for fan base and destroyed the franchise for decades. You got a hall of famer back, a good young guard and a 1st round pick.

Thanks for the take. I still don't think you read. It's ok, not everyone wants to read. Just weird to engage repeatedly and still not do so.

Just in case: I am not upset at the trade being bad (though it was). I am upset that two arrogant ******** repeatedly bashed one of the 3 best players in the franchise's history, insulting him over and over, and acted like everyone should be happy he was gone. Upset that they told the greatest player in the history of all Dallas sports (inarguably up there with Aikman, Ryan, and Modano, and the one who spent the longest time with one team EVER) that his opinion and presence were not valued or desired. Upset that it was done with no notice or discussion right on the heels of a Finals appearance, a little. The greater point being, that while the basketball side was and always will be dumb, the method and the underhandedness and the rudeness and the arrogance are the issue.

You're welcome to decide how you'd react or not. You'll obviously judge how I react. But these things are not up for debate. To your "deal with it," I say "I am."

Funny, I only know one of Aikman, Ryan, and Modano

Are you from Dallas?

Troy Aikman is a famous NFL QB who won a couple super bowls here.

Nolan Ryan is a famous baseball pitcher who spent the last 5 years of his career here, but also spent so much time in Houston that he's well known. Add in that his brand of beef is sold everywhere...Idk. Maybe Pudge or Palmeiro is a better choice but I think Ryan is probably the best known baseball player in the metroplex.

Mike Modano is a famous hockey player. I think he is widely considered the best Dallas ever had, won a Stanley Cup here, etc.


You could make an argument (and then hope that @Redwes25 actually read it before responding LOL) that football is so important that Mt Rushmore in Dallas is really more like Aikman, Smith, and Irvin alongside Dirk...but even then Dirk is one of the four

Yeah, i don't really associate Ryan with Dallas... Texas, yes

His athletic accomplishments came from lots of places, including New York (!) and California

I think your list was limited by a short history window

Certainly Staubach would be a consideration, to me anyways

I don't think I know anyone who would have him. Then again, even my dad was a teenager (and not in TX) when Staubach retired, much less when he was a star. So idk how "short" the past 50 years would be, but it's shorter than it could be for sure!

Going super historical, you'd probably have to have Landry in the discussion, even though he was just the coach.

 

[thecatch]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

It wasn’t even the worst Luka related decision a team has made, give me a break.

 

[Instinctive]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

It wasn’t even the worst Luka related decision a team has made, give me a break.

Man it's like I type into the void. Who is claiming the decision was bad? Have I said "ew it was a bad decision?" Lol

You don't have to respond if you don't want to.

 

[Yo Mama]

Ok so I tried rooting for the Thunder through the WCF and just couldn't get into it. So I guess we'll try the Spurs when next season starts and then either abandon it altogether or crawl back to the Mavs and just hate our moronic new ownership until I'm too dead inside to remember.

Stop complaining about the trade and move on. Teams make awful trades all the time and you got to luck into the first pick.

While I understand the sentiment, I would posit that nobody has ever made a trade like this before. Even Kareem had already won a title at least, and it's not like the city loved him. More importantly, the reprehensible behavior and treatment of the traded player during and after the deal is something I have never seen, nor heard of, before. I am strengthened in this claim when anyone I respect on basketball knowledge seems to feel the same way, even the hated historian of basketball Bill Simmons didn't have a worse one.

And you obviously don't understand the emotional connection to the city and with Dirk. But that's ok - fortunately, I didn't ask you! (or any other randomly-show-up-only-for-the-playoffs folks) I think some people, especially those who may consider me at least a FBG friend, may care about the journey. For others, you can scroll by or even use the ignore feature.

It wasn’t even the worst Luka related decision a team has made, give me a break.

Man it's like I type into the void. Who is claiming the decision was bad? Have I said "ew it was a bad decision?" Lol

You don't have to respond if you don't want to.

Don't worry, it's like that in this thread. I posted that Anthony Edwards isn't Michael Jordan and there was a huge argument about semantics even though everyone agreed with me.


As per the Luka trade, I think both teams are happy with where they ended up. Luck, rigged, or otherwise.

I think the “semantics” you mention was your previous iteration/alias posting a bunch of incorrect information from Chat GPT.

 

[Yo Mama]

And I think @Instinctive is trying to say that it’s not just that the Luka trade was a bad basketball decision that turned him off, it was how they did it and how they treated Luka and the fan base in the process. (Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong).