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You mean Vernon Davis at the beginning of his career right? That guy was awesome after Singeltary jumped all over him. The year Crabtree got hurt Davis was awesome, I remember him having some monster games in the playoffs too. I think one of the games he caught the game winning touchdown against the Saints.Futz said:
Exactly. Early draft picks that both came in with an entitled attitude. Vernon at least put it together for a nice stretch. I'm not convinced that Ebron ever will.
Yeah, maybe Caldwell needs to pull his pants down at practice or kick Ebron out of practice like good ole Mike did.
I wish Ebron reminded me of Davis. Davis started slow as a reciever but he was always a tough player and a willing blocker. Ebron is a candy ### when lined up tight.
Ebron is no Vernon Davis. He's not Jimmy Graham. He's not even Jared Cook yet. On paper he has it all, but it almost never translates to the field. Meanwhile nobody had to wait 3 years to see how awesome OBJ could become. Ebron doesn't have it and meanwhile people keep making excuses for a top 10 draft pick that can't catch.
I hated the Ebron pick as much as everyone else, but we have no idea if OBJ would be what he is now here in Detroit. (Although I think he would still be a good receiver, just maybe not a top 2 or 3 receiver.) I don't know why people keep quoting me on the Vernon Davis thing. I said early in his career, because Davis sucked early, and so does Ebron.
That is true, but if they found a way to win this week or next they would still probably get into the playoffs at 10 - 6 even if they lost to Green Bay. This week looked like the more winnable game.
I am not saying the Lions should have drafted OBJ in hindsight. I am just repeating that Ebron was a horrible pick. And I don't get how scouts and experts rank guys like Ebron so highly when they are deficient in basic skills that any top 10 player should already possess. He is a move TE that can't catch or block, yet he goes top 10. How does that happen? And it happens every year.
Futz said:
Pretty sure it will come down to the last game vs Green Bay as I don`t seem them winning at Dallas. Win and the Lions are in, lose and they may be out of the playoffs so it will be like a playoff game.
Yes to all. The 2 fumbles going the wrong way kept the game just out of reach of another miracle. As others have noted, Theo is needed back if they are going to win against a good defense. Dallas is ranked just behind NYG for PPG, Green Bay much further down the chart.
How could their wildcard matchup be in Seattle/Dallas? Would have to be GB/Atlanta/TB, since those are the teams most likely to get the 3 seed.
Dak over Stafford was a reach and just an NFL attempt to get new stars to the fore front ASAP.
If G.B. and Detroit go into the final weekend tied in record Green Bay can Advance with a tie on better head to head record. If Detroit goes in with a better record the Packers must win. Or at least that is my belief. Not a common scenario, but Detroit does have something to play for, not much, but something.
If that's true, why not rest Stafford against Dallas? Treat it like a preseason game.
We're actually in a golden age for punters the last 8 seasons or so. Martin's year is top 20 all-time, but in YPP he's third and the guy who made the Pro Bowl for the NFC is the only other punter with a better net average. But Sam Martin has been an incredibly effective weapon for a team that is not all that talented.
Also not clear what the wildcard implications will be. Lions may still be in play for No. 6 seed.
Because it hurts them slightly against green Bay, should green Bay win two days earlier. It also could effect playoff seeding, and it is possible that with a win they could clinch. Now playing late, as they do, they will have a better handle on all of those scenarios, but as of the way things stand right now they have much to play for.
Caldwell gave his standard answer in today's presser:
Running back Theo Riddick (wrist), center Travis Swanson (brain) and defensive tackle Khyri Thornton also missed practice, though Riddick was working on the side with a trainer and could be nearing a return. He's missed two games with a wrist injury, and his absence has been notable in Detroit's lackluster run game.
