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2024 Detroit Lions 7-1: Lions "Whack the Pack" (24 Viewers)

Lions always getting jobbed by the refs and even replay. 

Back to back games with WTF roughing the passer penalties and the one in the Vikes game mattered.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Well when the QB has more pull than the temps at GM & HC, that's what happens. There is no reason for Stafford to be playing today.
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If you are the team leader you play.

 
The roughing the passer call on 4th and goal from the half yard line was one of the worst calls I have seen in that type of situation.  To be honest I did not want the Lions to win that game but as Joe Biden would say "Come on man!"  even Dean Blandino and Cousins admitted it was a bad call.

As my wife would say Stanford played pretty good and it good enough, but when you can`t get a stop it is tough to win in this league. 

 
Rubiobot said:
Does anyone know the cap hit if the Lions trade or cut Stafford?
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Per the Sporting News:

The Lions technically have an out in Stafford's contract after the 2020 season, but it'd be costly. If the Lions released Stafford following the season, it'd leave them with $24.85 million in dead cap. That'd be the most dead cap money taken on by a team in NFL history. 

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Per the Sporting News:

The Lions technically have an out in Stafford's contract after the 2020 season, but it'd be costly. If the Lions released Stafford following the season, it'd leave them with $24.85 million in dead cap. That'd be the most dead cap money taken on by a team in NFL history. 
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No possible way they should release him. 

 
Leroy Hoard said:
And they won't. Between the financial reasons (always #1 with Lions ownership) and the fact that the owners are Matt's #1 fan, odds are huge on Stafford being the QB the first game of the 2021 season.
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I'll drink to that. Need to build around him and get some defensive talent.  A good GM can make a difference quickly.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
And that is the biggest thing. Not where you draft but who is doing the drafting.
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Texans hired Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio as their general manager.  Texans unable to resist the temptation of the Patriots way. (It doesn't work guys it was Brady) Lions been there and done that.

This increases the chances that Lions can get GM of their choice.

 
Given the Lions history I would venture to say Stafford aint going nowhere. 

Although I heard when Dan Orlovsky tweets about how Stafford would be better off going to another team now is that is Stafford telling him that as they are close friends.  Stafford would never publicly come out and say it but he might want a change of scenery himself.

 
Stafford most likely not going anywhere.  They'd have to get a real premium for them to move him and I don't think that happens.  They absolutely need to figure out a succession plan for him though.  They need a lot of pieces but if one of Fields, Lance, or Wilson are there at #7 they better be taking a hard look.  It's not like they are contending and need a final piece.

 
Foosball God said:
Stafford most likely not going anywhere.  They'd have to get a real premium for them to move him and I don't think that happens.  They absolutely need to figure out a succession plan for him though.  They need a lot of pieces but if one of Fields, Lance, or Wilson are there at #7 they better be taking a hard look.  It's not like they are contending and need a final piece.
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What do you think that premium is?  At what point do you think the package is too much to pass up (but at the same time realistic that some team might offer it)?

I don't have the answer for what that point is, but UNLIKE LAST OFFSEASON, they should make it clear that they will consider all offers. Who knows what a team like the Saints or Colts might offer. They should be willing to listen, and if a good enough offer comes in, they should trade him.  He's certainly not the player they should look to trade at all costs, but if a good offer comes in, they shouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.

 
Tornacl said:
What do you think that premium is?  At what point do you think the package is too much to pass up (but at the same time realistic that some team might offer it)?

I don't have the answer for what that point is, but UNLIKE LAST OFFSEASON, they should make it clear that they will consider all offers. Who knows what a team like the Saints or Colts might offer. They should be willing to listen, and if a good enough offer comes in, they should trade him.  He's certainly not the player they should look to trade at all costs, but if a good offer comes in, they shouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.
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Saints and Colts have low 1st round picks so if it was going to them I'd want multiple 1st rounders.  At the very minimum 1st and 2nd, plus maybe a mid round.  We're talking the most important position in football.

 
Foosball God said:
Saints and Colts have low 1st round picks so if it was going to them I'd want multiple 1st rounders.  At the very minimum 1st and 2nd, plus maybe a mid round.  We're talking the most important position in football.
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Colts gave a first for Buckner. I would venture Stafford would be more impactful.

 
Moonlight said:
Texans hired Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio as their general manager.  Texans unable to resist the temptation of the Patriots way. (It doesn't work guys it was Brady) Lions been there and done that.

This increases the chances that Lions can get GM of their choice.
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So true. The Patriots way only works if you have Brady. That entire franchise turned back into a pumpkin the minute he left. 

 
I think Stafford would be better off on another team, but the Lions would not. He's not the problem and never has been. If you watch and know NFL football, you know a guy like Stafford is still a top QB with a few good years left. There are guys like Mike Glennon and Andy Dalton that still start in this league. Sure if you have a shot at a Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow, or Trevor Lawrence top QB in the draft, then you take it. But absent that, Stafford is almost certainly the best the Lions can hope for at this point. 

What needs to happen is for another owner to take over the team and bring in a competent GM and coaching staff. It's really that simple. This franchise had Stafford and Megatron and still couldn't find a way to even win the division. Peyton Manning wouldn't have taken any of those Lions teams to the playoffs. I don't really know what else to say.  

 
Arthur Smith the Titans OC would still be my choice for HC. I believe they have requested an interview but it’s not a guarantee that he will take it. That offence has just continued to get better and better since Smith has come in 

 
Every recent mock draft I see has the Lions drafting either a QB or WR.  If they decide to move on from Stafford, I understand taking a QB.  But I really hope that QB is the only offensive position in play there.  They need defensive playmakers in the worst way.

When your defense sets records for the worst defense in team history, maybe you should consider addressing that side of the ball?  And when you consider that the Lions have never been known as a defense-first franchise and were the first team to have an 0-16 season, setting that kind of record is really saying something.

Here's a suggestion: pick someone who can put pressure on the QB.  Or pick a playmaker at linebacker who can own the middle of the field.

I know the entire WR room is set to leave, but you are far more likely to find a quality WR on day 2 or 3 than you are to find someone who can rush the passer. Plus there are always decent WRs available in free agency.

 
Sam Quentin said:
They did fine with Matt Cassel at the helm

they hit cap hell and have a severe deficit of skill players...
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That was one season and they didn’t make the playoffs. In Brady’s 19 years as a starting QB, he’s only had 1 season where he missed the playoffs and only 1 season where he has a worse record than that Cassel team had. I think Brady is absolutely as crucial as the coach was in shaping that Pats dynasty.

 
Tornacl said:
Every recent mock draft I see has the Lions drafting either a QB or WR.  If they decide to move on from Stafford, I understand taking a QB.  But I really hope that QB is the only offensive position in play there.  They need defensive playmakers in the worst way.

When your defense sets records for the worst defense in team history, maybe you should consider addressing that side of the ball?  And when you consider that the Lions have never been known as a defense-first franchise and were the first team to have an 0-16 season, setting that kind of record is really saying something.

Here's a suggestion: pick someone who can put pressure on the QB.  Or pick a playmaker at linebacker who can own the middle of the field.

I know the entire WR room is set to leave, but you are far more likely to find a quality WR on day 2 or 3 than you are to find someone who can rush the passer. Plus there are always decent WRs available in free agency.
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The problem here is

1. There simply aren’t any premier pass rushers in this draft. If they do take a pass rusher at 7 it will be a bit of a reach. The top guy is Rousseau from Miami but a lot of people also barely see him as a 1st founder. He’s seen as really raw. I like him but it’s a riskier pick no doubt.
 

2. Why even keep Stafford if you are going to throw him out there with Quintez Cepheus, a budget FA and two rookies who might not be NFL ready? Just blow it up if that’s the plan.

3. The LB from PSU is a possibility at 7 but LBs who aren’t pass rush specialists are like taking a TE in the top 10. It’s just not a good value. 

 
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Ilov80s said:
The problem here is

3. The LB from PSU is a possibility at 7 but LBs who aren’t pass rush specialists are like taking a TE in the top 10. It’s just not a good value. 
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Unfortunately that seems like a very “Lion-like” maneuver. If they keep Stafford, they should consider a top WR at 7 if they fall to them. If they get rid of Stafford and fall in love with a QB at 7 then take him, otherwise trade down and garner picks (something they should have done last year).

 
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Ilov80s said:
The problem here is

1. There simply aren’t any premier pass rushers in this draft. If they do take a pass rusher at 7 it will be a bit of a reach. The top guy is Rousseau from Miami but a lot of people also barely see him as a 1st founder. He’s seen as really raw. I like him but it’s a riskier pick no doubt.
 

2. Why even keep Stafford if you are going to throw him out there with Quintez Cepheus, a budget FA and two rookies who might not be NFL ready? Just blow it up if that’s the plan.

3. The LB from PSU is a possibility at 7 but LBs who aren’t pass rush specialists are like taking a TE in the top 10. It’s just not a good value. 
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Trading down should definitely be in play.  I would like to see them take Parsons.  It has been an eternity since they had a difference maker at LB.  Although Tulloch was good, I think the last exceptional LB they had just got hired to help advise the owner. 

That defense needs a sideline-to-sideline warrior that finds his way into every play. I've seen Parsons compared to Luke Kuechly, and I would ABSOLUTELY use a top 10 pick on someone like that.  The Lions' defense has no heart, no identity. I think this would be a good start to changing their identity.

ETA: And I really think they should trade Stafford if they get good value.  This team is NOWHERE close to being a contender, and anyone that thinks a few minor tweaks will make them good is kidding themselves.

For the past 60+ years, the Lions have been inept at identifying and developing talent.  Hopefully, the GM they hire will excel in that area, but it will take some time to re-stock the barren cupboards. By the time they are ready to compete, Stafford will be done.

 
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Tornacl said:
Trading down should definitely be in play.  I would like to see them take Parsons.  It has been an eternity since they had a difference maker at LB.  Although Tulloch was good, I think the last exceptional LB they had just got hired to help advise the owner. 

That defense needs a sideline-to-sideline warrior that finds his way into every play. I've seen Parsons compared to Luke Kuechly, and I would ABSOLUTELY use a top 10 pick on someone like that.  The Lions' defense has no heart, no identity. I think this would be a good start to changing their identity.

ETA: And I really think they should trade Stafford if they get good value.  This team is NOWHERE close to being a contender, and anyone that thinks a few minor tweaks will make them good is kidding themselves.

For the past 60+ years, the Lions have been inept at identifying and developing talent.  Hopefully, the GM they hire will excel in that area, but it will take some time to re-stock the barren cupboards. By the time they are ready to compete, Stafford will be done.
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I totally agree trading down is almost always a good idea. Getting Luke Kuechly would be great but that’s cherry picking the best ILB of the last decade. The same argument could be made for almost any position if you cherry pick the best of the best. What a difference Julio Jones or Travis Kelce or Aaron Donald would make to the team as well. In the end, stand up LB isn’t a premier position right now in the NFL. We already went down that road with TE and it doesn’t make sense to do it again. Just look at LB salaries vs WR salaries to get a sense for positional value. 

 
I wouldn't be unhappy with Lance, Smith, or Parsons.  I'd probably be fine with Chase too.  Trading back for more picks would be great but not outside the top 15 as we just need playmakers.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
With Stafford he would actually have a more mobile QB.
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I don’t really understand their process right now. They’re casting a wide net (I guess) and Covid protocols come into play. Like they can’t interview anyone that’s currently in a teams bubble but I guess the Rams front office guy is working out of ATL so he was a go for this week. Two more guys they want to interview are still in the playoffs and with their teams so it seems likely they’re not gonna finish for a few weeks.

On the HC side, seems to be going slow, no? What’s the word locally. Seems likely we are going to lose Robert Saleh to the Jets. But maybe they’d rather take their time so they can interview guys still in the playoffs (Daboll, Bieneny, Glenn and Staley.) IDK where we’re at though.

 
BobbyLayne said:
I don’t really understand their process right now. They’re casting a wide net (I guess) and Covid protocols come into play. Like they can’t interview anyone that’s currently in a teams bubble but I guess the Rams front office guy is working out of ATL so he was a go for this week. Two more guys they want to interview are still in the playoffs and with their teams so it seems likely they’re not gonna finish for a few weeks.

On the HC side, seems to be going slow, no? What’s the word locally. Seems likely we are going to lose Robert Saleh to the Jets. But maybe they’d rather take their time so they can interview guys still in the playoffs (Daboll, Bieneny, Glenn and Staley.) IDK where we’re at though.
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I think the biggest problem isn't who they want, but why would those better choices want them. Unless it's just about making money since there is no salary cap for management. If they miss out on someone it's probably just because Detroit wasn't their first choice?

 
Leroy Hoard said:
I think the biggest problem isn't who they want, but why would those better choices want them. Unless it's just about making money since there is no salary cap for management. If they miss out on someone it's probably just because Detroit wasn't their first choice?
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Probably but like them being thorough and interviewing every quality candidate out there. Last time it seems like they hired the first guy that they interviewed.

 
Ilov80s said:
Probably but like them being thorough and interviewing every quality candidate out there. Last time it seems like they hired the first guy that they interviewed.
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not quite but my recollection is the first presser was one or two days after the Super Bowl - they were def locked in on one cadidate

 
Raging weasel said:
More like they knew who they were going to hire before doing any interviews.
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In 2014 it seems like nobody really wanted the job. I’m old, did we lose out to Malarkey or Wisenhunt? Whoever it was the Titans fired him inside of two years and he was awful. But the Baltimore OC came in having charted every one of Stafford's 663* pass attempts and that blew Mayhew’s mind.

*made that # up just now 

 
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BobbyLayne said:
In 2014 it seems like nobody really wanted the job. I’m old, did we lose out to Malarkey or Wisenhunt? Whoever it was the Titans fired him inside of two years and he was awful. But the Baltimore OC came in having charted every one of Stagford's 663* pass attempts and that blew Mayhew’s mind.

*made that # up just now 
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It was Whisenhunt who they wanted in 2014. He went to Tenn and was fired after going 3-20.

 
Yet another rumor, this one I actually like more. Rams with no #1 draft pick the last 4 years already won a playoff game this year, something the Lions have not done in the last 28 years.

"Los Angeles Rams director of college scouting Brad Holmes is now the "favorite" to become the general manager of the Detroit Lions, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Minnesota Vikings assistant general manager George Paton signed a reported six-year deal with the Denver Broncos on Wednesday to become their new GM, taking him out of the running for the Lions job.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported that Holmes was doing a second interview with the Lions on Wednesday and that Paton "had been a strong candidate in Detroit"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2926786-lions-rumors-brad-holmes-favored-to-become-new-gm-after-broncos-paton-hire

 
Whoever gets the job has their work cut out for them. Not sure of their cap situation but know it's not good especially with all the needs they have. Need at least 7 starters on D( 2DL,2DB,3LB), only WR under contract is Quintez, OL is young and servicable but lacks depth. 

What to do with Stafford? Trade him now while he still has worth for some picks and cap space to start the rebuild now or sign him to an extension and have him play out his career here? Not taking a young QB last year or trading it for picks is going to haunt them for years.

 
Foosball God said:
I don't know that I'm that impressed with the way the Rams are run from a personnel/salary cap perspective.
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You may be right on that part but this guy was more of an assistant in charge of scouting. The year the Lions took Ebron at 10, Rams took Aaron Donald at 14. Goff seems to be their biggest overdraft pick, but even he just won a playoff game. And soon after that they started a trend of trading down and building one of the best defenses in the NFL

Considering that defense + bad draft picks/scouting are 2 of the biggest Lion weaknesses, I still like him as a GM candidate.

 
Why is no one looking at Don Martindale ? Saleh seems like the more in vogue choice but not if you get into deeper details. Lombardi did  a good section on this in one of his recent GM Shuffle podcasts. Martindale is basically 1st in the league in about ten defensive categories and 2nd to 3rd in about ten others and he’s done it with a wide variety of personnel and a huge slew of injuries. Guy apparently is great with players, speaks their language and creates a strong identity in the group. Yet no one seems to go for him. Lombardi is convinced he has all the qualities of a great HEAD coach.  
 

edit - just did a quick google search and this came up 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-pr-sp-nfl-coaching-candidates-ravens-don-wink-martindale-20210113-3sc6nw7bknczvma74lemzgtozq-story.html%3foutputType=amp

 
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Nothing against Holmes but Sheila Ford stated Lions were looking for experience this time around and would not hire another first time GM or HC.

Lions have never hired the right GM so hopefully this will be the first.

 
Ilov80s said:
That was one season and they didn’t make the playoffs. In Brady’s 19 years as a starting QB, he’s only had 1 season where he missed the playoffs and only 1 season where he has a worse record than that Cassel team had. I think Brady is absolutely as crucial as the coach was in shaping that Pats dynasty.
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Blah blah blah

they finished 11-5 and tied for the division which gets you in the playoffs almost every time.

enough with the muh playoffs thing which is totally misleading

 
Sam Quentin said:
Blah blah blah

they finished 11-5 and tied for the division which gets you in the playoffs almost every time.

enough with the muh playoffs thing which is totally misleading
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Ok, you are right Brady is a nobody and any QB could have won 6 SBs with the Pats.

 
Da Guru said:
Nothing against Holmes but Sheila Ford stated Lions were looking for experience this time around and would not hire another first time GM or HC.

Lions have never hired the right GM so hopefully this will be the first.
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I was expecting and hoping for Smith from Houston or Dimitrioff from ATL. I really wanted that experience. Not sure why those guys appear to be getting almost no love this go around. Holmes is a nice story and he sounds like the Rams organization has found him to be really valuable as he’s survived a lot of changes their. I’m not sure their drafts have been anything special but they also haven’t had a 1st round pick the last 4 drafts.

 
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