2024 Philadelphia Eagles - First one was for the fans. This one was for the team. Next one is for the legacy. (4 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

Pain. All I know is pain.

This is a little dramatic. There are a lot of fan bases that have it worse.

Vikings fan checking in. What I would not give for a Super Bowl, and another Super Bowl appearance. I am a grandfather and the Vikings have never been to a Super Bowl in my lifetime.

I do think the difference is the emotional roller coaster with the huge tease. 10-1 playing some of the top teams in the league after the close SB. The fall off the cliff is why most Eagles fans are kicking themselves. If they just were 9-8 or whatever would be lot easier to not have the huge letdown

Come on. It was a bad 7 week run. Before that the Eagles were the best team in football for a year and half, since the turn of the century there are what, about 5 to 7 teams that have a better resume than the Eagles.

Go talk to Lion fans or Viking, Brown or Washington whatever their name is now fans if you want to only know pain for the last two plus decades.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Pain. All I know is pain.

This is a little dramatic. There are a lot of fan bases that have it worse.

Vikings fan checking in. What I would not give for a Super Bowl, and another Super Bowl appearance. I am a grandfather and the Vikings have never been to a Super Bowl in my lifetime.

I do think the difference is the emotional roller coaster with the huge tease. 10-1 playing some of the top teams in the league after the close SB. The fall off the cliff is why most Eagles fans are kicking themselves. If they just were 9-8 or whatever would be lot easier to not have the huge letdown

Go check out 1998 and 2009.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Looks like exit interviews and locker clean outs are are today

 

[renesauz]

And this "Epic collapse" narrative is getting old and fast. Me and a few others highlighted how fortunate this team was early on. This team NEVER passed the eye test beginning in week 1! Week after week we were all "waiting for it to click" and it never did. I expect the inflated view of what they were from people who don't watch them. If you watched every game you knew they werent as good as national people made them out to be or what their record said.

Again, while this is fair, it didn't mean they were BAD, it didn't mean they weren't a playoff caliber team that had no business losing to teams like the Giants and Cardinals with the division on the line. BAD teams don't beat four ten+ win playoff caliber teams in a row. NOBODY is that "lucky"

The team and talent won in spite of the coaching. I’m not ever saying they were bad. I’m saying while they sat at 10-1 they looked like a 6-5 or 7-4 team. Knowing what we know now and going back to watch older games you see all of the same things.

A 6-5 or 7-4 team doesn’t have an “Epic collapse”. We were in no way, shape or form ever 10-1 good. Anyone who watched games had to see this.

Again not entirely unfair, but it's a stretch to say they looked like a 6-5 or 7-4 team. Beating a team like BUffalo can be fluky, but beating them and Dallas and Miami and KC in consecutive games becomes something far more. I think most of us realized there was some luck involved in winning 10, but they certainly didn't look like a 6 or 7 win team either. Yeah, it took some luck to win all four of those games, but the Jets loss was some BAD luck too. That ball richocheting off Goederts knee to set up a short field was certainly a great example of bad luck. So was a 95 yard drive by Seattle in under 2 minutes (sorry, no matter how bad the defense, it takes some luck to pull off a drive like that). This team didn't live on good luck. They LOOKED like an 8 or 9 win team that had enough moxy to steal a couple they shouldn't have, but not until after...Seattle really, did they look like cow droppings. (Lots of teams were made to look bad by SF or in Dallas)

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And this "Epic collapse" narrative is getting old and fast. Me and a few others highlighted how fortunate this team was early on. This team NEVER passed the eye test beginning in week 1! Week after week we were all "waiting for it to click" and it never did. I expect the inflated view of what they were from people who don't watch them. If you watched every game you knew they werent as good as national people made them out to be or what their record said.

Again, while this is fair, it didn't mean they were BAD, it didn't mean they weren't a playoff caliber team that had no business losing to teams like the Giants and Cardinals with the division on the line. BAD teams don't beat four ten+ win playoff caliber teams in a row. NOBODY is that "lucky"

The team and talent won in spite of the coaching. I’m not ever saying they were bad. I’m saying while they sat at 10-1 they looked like a 6-5 or 7-4 team. Knowing what we know now and going back to watch older games you see all of the same things.

A 6-5 or 7-4 team doesn’t have an “Epic collapse”. We were in no way, shape or form ever 10-1 good. Anyone who watched games had to see this.

Again not entirely unfair, but it's a stretch to say they looked like a 6-5 or 7-4 team. Beating a team like BUffalo can be fluky, but beating them and Dallas and Miami and KC in consecutive games becomes something far more. I think most of us realized there was some luck involved in winning 10, but they certainly didn't look like a 6 or 7 win team either. Yeah, it took some luck to win all four of those games, but the Jets loss was some BAD luck too. That ball richocheting off Goederts knee to set up a short field was certainly a great example of bad luck. So was a 95 yard drive by Seattle in under 2 minutes (sorry, no matter how bad the defense, it takes some luck to pull off a drive like that). This team didn't live on good luck. They LOOKED like an 8 or 9 win team that had enough moxy to steal a couple they shouldn't have, but not until after...Seattle really, did they look like cow droppings. (Lots of teams were made to look bad by SF or in Dallas)

We’ll have to agree to disagree. When I watched that stretch of wins, the opposing teams outside of Miami all looked like the better team.

In addition to that the Vikings and Commanders also looked like the better team earlier in the year as well.

We never looked good IMO. Always average.

 

[Gachi]

And this "Epic collapse" narrative is getting old and fast. Me and a few others highlighted how fortunate this team was early on. This team NEVER passed the eye test beginning in week 1! Week after week we were all "waiting for it to click" and it never did. I expect the inflated view of what they were from people who don't watch them. If you watched every game you knew they werent as good as national people made them out to be or what their record said.

Again, while this is fair, it didn't mean they were BAD, it didn't mean they weren't a playoff caliber team that had no business losing to teams like the Giants and Cardinals with the division on the line. BAD teams don't beat four ten+ win playoff caliber teams in a row. NOBODY is that "lucky"

The team and talent won in spite of the coaching. I’m not ever saying they were bad. I’m saying while they sat at 10-1 they looked like a 6-5 or 7-4 team. Knowing what we know now and going back to watch older games you see all of the same things.

A 6-5 or 7-4 team doesn’t have an “Epic collapse”. We were in no way, shape or form ever 10-1 good. Anyone who watched games had to see this.

Again not entirely unfair, but it's a stretch to say they looked like a 6-5 or 7-4 team. Beating a team like BUffalo can be fluky, but beating them and Dallas and Miami and KC in consecutive games becomes something far more. I think most of us realized there was some luck involved in winning 10, but they certainly didn't look like a 6 or 7 win team either. Yeah, it took some luck to win all four of those games, but the Jets loss was some BAD luck too. That ball richocheting off Goederts knee to set up a short field was certainly a great example of bad luck. So was a 95 yard drive by Seattle in under 2 minutes (sorry, no matter how bad the defense, it takes some luck to pull off a drive like that). This team didn't live on good luck. They LOOKED like an 8 or 9 win team that had enough moxy to steal a couple they shouldn't have, but not until after...Seattle really, did they look like cow droppings. (Lots of teams were made to look bad by SF or in Dallas)

We’ll have to agree to disagree. When I watched that stretch of wins, the opposing teams outside of Miami all looked like the better team.

In addition to that the Vikings and Commanders also looked like the better team earlier in the year as well.

We never looked good IMO. Always average.

All our wins to good teams were fluky.

 

[Insein]

Kelce apparently never made it official that he's retiring. Still mulling it over.

 

[G-King]

Kelce apparently never made it official that he's retiring. Still mulling it over.

Man I saw where he went and dropped off a signed jersey to his favorite guy at McDonalds drive thru where he always grabs breakfast. What a class act, especially for an Eagle . Man if more athletes (people in general) were like JK, this world would be so much better. With all he has on his mind, it’s the little things he cares about. God bless him!

 

[DJackson10]

Saw this yesterday and had to laugh

To be fair to Grudden RGiii didn’t do well in practice or want to study the playbook or film. He was another one of those hot shot prospects given the world and thought he knew everything. Grudden gets blame but I think in this instance RG3 needs to uphold accountability. He also was not liked by his teammates during this time either. Once his knee injury happened he listed the one thing that made him good his legs and athleticism. Both did a horrible job though

Former #Redskins head coach Jay Gruden: If I ever put a QB through what #Eagles is putting Jalen through , I apologize. Pick up a blitz!

Former #Redskins QB Robert Griffin III: Say WHATTTT???

Gruden: U weren’t prepared Robert ?

Griffin III: You told me you didn’t know how to coach a QB who could throw and run like me, so looks like you weren’t prepared Jay. … #NFL #commanders

via #X ( Twitter)

 

[Terpman22]

Kelce apparently never made it official that he's retiring. Still mulling it over.

Man I saw where he went and dropped off a signed jersey to his favorite guy at McDonalds drive thru where he always grabs breakfast. What a class act, especially for an Eagle . Man if more athletes (people in general) were like JK, this world would be so much better. With all he has on his mind, it’s the little things he cares about. God bless him!

He's retiring. He just wants to make it his own on his own terms.

 

[DJackson10]

I have the luxury of watching games through All-22 in real time

what is this?

All-22 is the coaches tape you'll see later in the week after games

And how do you get it? And how do you share it with your closest friends here at FBG?

And how do you get it?

Yes. How are you seeing all 22 film live @Bigboy10182000 ?

I work for the NFL. We are responsible for player safety and All-22 is one of our many feeds on game day. It’s a DVR style system so I can watch plays, from every angle, over and over.

Question for you last game I think Det/LaR game it was stopped by one of your people to make sure Puka went through concussion protocol. Ref asked the Rams and then when he got there yes he went back in.

How can they determine if he was properly checked or not? Is that radioed to you guys or is that a different set of procedures? I mean if not kept track of teams and players could lie just to get their guy back in there for an important down/play.

So once you put them in the protocol one of the independent doctors has to evaluate him and clear him. If he’s cleared or not it has to be reported back to the ATC Spotter who put him in the protocol. What I think happened there was that he cleared but no one ever reported it back to the ATC. So when the ATC noticed him on the field they radioed to the ref to remove him.

I figured something like that had happened. It was just weird to see them freely put him back in like that without some context

 

[DJackson10]

Also with AJ Brown’s supposed tantrums, will be interesting to find out if that is an issue with coaches or what.

I think AJ is part of the problem. Hurts is a good guy and leader but when you have an alpha like AJ in the room it makes it much hard for a quite leader like Hurts to leave. I could see Brown here one more season and if things don’t work out he’s gone

What is it with the diva WRs?

Diggs, Jefferson & Brown are all very talented but all are cry babies and act like children.

I’m fine with a diva WR if it isn’t hurting the team. Diggs isn’t a problem as much as his brother is these days and I wouldn’t call JJ much of a diva either. I just think AJ has more issues then people think and you need certain leaders in the building this team clearly doesn’t have to combat him

 

[DJackson10]

And this "Epic collapse" narrative is getting old and fast. Me and a few others highlighted how fortunate this team was early on. This team NEVER passed the eye test beginning in week 1! Week after week we were all "waiting for it to click" and it never did. I expect the inflated view of what they were from people who don't watch them. If you watched every game you knew they werent as good as national people made them out to be or what their record said.

Again, while this is fair, it didn't mean they were BAD, it didn't mean they weren't a playoff caliber team that had no business losing to teams like the Giants and Cardinals with the division on the line. BAD teams don't beat four ten+ win playoff caliber teams in a row. NOBODY is that "lucky"

The team and talent won in spite of the coaching. I’m not ever saying they were bad. I’m saying while they sat at 10-1 they looked like a 6-5 or 7-4 team. Knowing what we know now and going back to watch older games you see all of the same things.

A 6-5 or 7-4 team doesn’t have an “Epic collapse”. We were in no way, shape or form ever 10-1 good. Anyone who watched games had to see this.

Again not entirely unfair, but it's a stretch to say they looked like a 6-5 or 7-4 team. Beating a team like BUffalo can be fluky, but beating them and Dallas and Miami and KC in consecutive games becomes something far more. I think most of us realized there was some luck involved in winning 10, but they certainly didn't look like a 6 or 7 win team either. Yeah, it took some luck to win all four of those games, but the Jets loss was some BAD luck too. That ball richocheting off Goederts knee to set up a short field was certainly a great example of bad luck. So was a 95 yard drive by Seattle in under 2 minutes (sorry, no matter how bad the defense, it takes some luck to pull off a drive like that). This team didn't live on good luck. They LOOKED like an 8 or 9 win team that had enough moxy to steal a couple they shouldn't have, but not until after...Seattle really, did they look like cow droppings. (Lots of teams were made to look bad by SF or in Dallas)

We’ll have to agree to disagree. When I watched that stretch of wins, the opposing teams outside of Miami all looked like the better team.

In addition to that the Vikings and Commanders also looked like the better team earlier in the year as well.

We never looked good IMO. Always average.

All our wins to good teams were fluky.

Yep KC dropped passes. Mia has I think 2 or 3 wins last 2 yrs vs teams with over .500 record or something. Dak running out of bounds, Bills made a few mistakes just got a new OC at the time. We won either flukes or just from sheer talent against the worst teams early on. Fiballly caught up end of year. Wasn’t impressed once with this team all year in their wins. It was like ok but we got lucky either some fluke thing happened or just won with sheer better roster takent

 

[JAA]

I can't remember such a complete and utter collapse by a team. By the end of the season, there were probably only a very small handful of teams I actually thought they could/should beat.
I held out hope they could win against TB, they were probably the best matchup. Deep down though, I thought Tampa would do whatever they wanted on offense. My only hope was that the offense could win a shoot out.
My fear is that the nfl finally figured Hurts out. The RPO worked last year, but now there is film out there and defenses know how to stop it.
My fear is that, except for Jalen Carter, the defensive line just isn't that good. They hit the wall in November and never recovered. Jordan Davis seems lazy and unmotivated.
My fear is that the offensive line is going to fall apart with Kelce gone. Dude was the glue that held them together.
My fear is that Siranni just caught lightning in a bottle last year and just isn't a great coach. His in game adjustments are nonexistent.

All these are true. I would disagree that Jalen is figured out. I think that they figured out his weakness coupled with horrible playcalling.

What I think is needed now is Jalen needs to be coached/taught on how to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage. He needs to have hot reads also.

 

[Terpman22]

I can't remember such a complete and utter collapse by a team. By the end of the season, there were probably only a very small handful of teams I actually thought they could/should beat.
I held out hope they could win against TB, they were probably the best matchup. Deep down though, I thought Tampa would do whatever they wanted on offense. My only hope was that the offense could win a shoot out.
My fear is that the nfl finally figured Hurts out. The RPO worked last year, but now there is film out there and defenses know how to stop it.
My fear is that, except for Jalen Carter, the defensive line just isn't that good. They hit the wall in November and never recovered. Jordan Davis seems lazy and unmotivated.
My fear is that the offensive line is going to fall apart with Kelce gone. Dude was the glue that held them together.
My fear is that Siranni just caught lightning in a bottle last year and just isn't a great coach. His in game adjustments are nonexistent.

All these are true. I would disagree that Jalen is figured out. I think that they figured out his weakness coupled with horrible playcalling.

What I think is needed now is Jalen needs to be coached/taught on how to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage. He needs to have hot reads also.

Yeah, he certainly needs better/harder coaching. And play calling and offensive play design needs to be better too. I mean, just last year he was dropping dimes all over the place. He has the ability, but looking at some of these plays, especially where there are 2 WR's in the same 5 yard area, 20 yards downfield is just setting he and any QB up for failure.

 

[DJackson10]

I can't remember such a complete and utter collapse by a team. By the end of the season, there were probably only a very small handful of teams I actually thought they could/should beat.
I held out hope they could win against TB, they were probably the best matchup. Deep down though, I thought Tampa would do whatever they wanted on offense. My only hope was that the offense could win a shoot out.
My fear is that the nfl finally figured Hurts out. The RPO worked last year, but now there is film out there and defenses know how to stop it.
My fear is that, except for Jalen Carter, the defensive line just isn't that good. They hit the wall in November and never recovered. Jordan Davis seems lazy and unmotivated.
My fear is that the offensive line is going to fall apart with Kelce gone. Dude was the glue that held them together.
My fear is that Siranni just caught lightning in a bottle last year and just isn't a great coach. His in game adjustments are nonexistent.

All these are true. I would disagree that Jalen is figured out. I think that they figured out his weakness coupled with horrible playcalling.

What I think is needed now is Jalen needs to be coached/taught on how to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage. He needs to have hot reads also.

Paging Peyton Manning QB camp

 

[need2know]

Kinda starting to feel bad about talking crap about Gannon. He obviously got the most out of our defense

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Last night I dreamed that the Eagles had a conventionally bad game and lost, as opposed to a game where they looked like a high school team.

 

[Terpman22]

Kinda starting to feel bad about talking crap about Gannon. He obviously got the most out of our defense

Not me. His pussyfooting around didn't allow us to get the guy we really wanted in Fangio. Had to settle for some other guy that obviously they didn't want.

And his defense in AZ sucked, so those of us that basically said "Gannon needs premium players to get premium production" still rings true to me.

 

[jasvic]

Kinda starting to feel bad about talking crap about Gannon. He obviously got the most out of our defense

He had MUCH more to work with. I'd argue he didn't get enough out of the talent they had last year.

 

[jasvic]

I am firmly in the Sirianni has to go camp. He's supposed to be the offensive mind. This is his offense as much as whatever OC they bring in. His style, apparently, is banking on big plays and if they aren't available then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, I thought he was a more aggressive coach in game decisions, but he's turned into a big puss and that coupled with play calling, makes no sense. As if he and the OC don't communicate or they're both just stupid. First drive of the game, 3rd and 2 around midfield, they call a mid-range, low percentage shot. I thought it wasn't a bad idea, assuming you go for it on 4th down. Nah, they punt. Late game, down 2 scores, they kick a field goal to remain down two scores. Get bailed out on a penalty and finally go for it, but call another dumb deep pass. There's aggressive and then there's stupid, right now we get the worst of both worlds.

I've said before, but I can't put all the offensive blame on the OC (I mean, he stinks, but Sirianni isn't innocent here either). It's not like Sirianni is helpless to make any changes there. He seems to think nothing is wrong, all the evidence in the world showing otherwise. I have to assume he is unable or unwilling to fix the issues. This is like Chip's last year, he's been figured out and is unable to adjust. Another year will just be a waste.

 

[menobrown]

I can't remember such a complete and utter collapse by a team.

2020 Steelers

 

[Terpman22]

I am firmly in the Sirianni has to go camp. He's supposed to be the offensive mind. This is his offense as much as whatever OC they bring in. His style, apparently, is banking on big plays and if they aren't available then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, I thought he was a more aggressive coach in game decisions, but he's turned into a big puss and that coupled with play calling, makes no sense. As if he and the OC don't communicate or they're both just stupid. First drive of the game, 3rd and 2 around midfield, they call a mid-range, low percentage shot. I thought it wasn't a bad idea, assuming you go for it on 4th down. Nah, they punt. Late game, down 2 scores, they kick a field goal to remain down two scores. Get bailed out on a penalty and finally go for it, but call another dumb deep pass. There's aggressive and then there's stupid, right now we get the worst of both worlds.

I've said before, but I can't put all the offensive blame on the OC (I mean, he stinks, but Sirianni isn't innocent here either). It's not like Sirianni is helpless to make any changes there. He seems to think nothing is wrong, all the evidence in the world showing otherwise. I have to assume he is unable or unwilling to fix the issues. This is like Chip's last year, he's been figured out and is unable to adjust. Another year will just be a waste.

This is why he needs to go at this point. 2 runs, you get 8 yards. They go EMPTY on the next play, telegraphing the fact its a pass play. And the play call? EVERYONE RUN A 9 ROUTE!

At this point I already knew the game was over.

 

[JAA]

If this team suffered from normal "Next Season Super Bowl loss" Blues and limped into the playoffs; I'd be fine with running Sirianni back. As it stands though, this was a historic collapse; maybe never seen before; across all facets of this team. They had a couple of opportunities after the SF/DAL roadblock to right the ship against mid teams. They didn't...and looke atrocious doing so. That's on Sirianni. I get that injuries happen (they happened to Buffalo and they won their last 7 games), drops happen (they happened to KC and they found another way to win and might have rightened their ship), cordinators sucking happens (Buf and PIt seemed to figure this out midseason and righted their ships). Either SF just mollywhopped PHI so bad they lost all interest in playing the game, Big Dom on the sidelines was such a good luck charm that when they lost them they were rudderless or once faced with adversity the culture wasn't great. I think its the third....and I lay that on Sirianni.

So cut bait after a horrible half-season? With all the other parts being exceptional?

 

[JAA]

on Sirianni, looking at 2023 he was fine with Steichen and Gannon. so we could say he wasn't the one who got us to the SB, it was the coordinators. or, optimistically, we can also say he can find two new coordinators who are better than the ones we have now and be just fine. can he be like Doug P or is he Frank R?

Whats really meaningful IMO about the Pederson/Reich comparison is we know how that one plays a bit out. Pederson looking good in Jax (who guessed that?) and Reich getting fired every other minute.

 

[JAA]

Really crappy ending to a season where we end up not doing one thing well. Among all the things we do badly this is what makes me the most angry.
The coaches stubborn refusal to never go run heavy even with aj brown not playing and hurts having a broken finger was criminal.

Not making excuses, but the Bucs deployed specific 6 man run heavy fronts to get Philly out of their run game. They were daring Hurts to throw.

Did we run play-action once?

 

[JAA]

But I want Vrabel. He's the perfect fit. Fix the F'n defense. Hire an OC with experience, maybe a failed HC like Reich, Staley, etc.

The only issue I have with this, is the second you get that offense rolling they’re gone. Unless one of these guys is a lifer OC it’s just to hard to maintain.

Just listened to Eskin and said that Lurie is not a fan of Belichick and wouldn’t even interview him.

We seem to really be chasing and looking for an innovative offensive play caller. If that’s what they want there’s quite a few out there now you could get if they’d be interested in the job. I think this team really wants a head coach that’s going to call plays.

Lions OC
I would be cool with Vrabel though and him finding a good oc

Or Bobby Slowik

Some info on Slowik.

Slowik may be the hottest candidate in all of coaching.

He's everyone's current darling.

I remember when Weis and Crennel were the darlings ...

 

[JAA]

But I want Vrabel. He's the perfect fit. Fix the F'n defense. Hire an OC with experience, maybe a failed HC like Reich, Staley, etc.

The only issue I have with this, is the second you get that offense rolling they’re gone. Unless one of these guys is a lifer OC it’s just to hard to maintain.

Just listened to Eskin and said that Lurie is not a fan of Belichick and wouldn’t even interview him.

We seem to really be chasing and looking for an innovative offensive play caller. If that’s what they want there’s quite a few out there now you could get if they’d be interested in the job. I think this team really wants a head coach that’s going to call plays.

Lions OC
I would be cool with Vrabel though and him finding a good oc

Or Bobby Slowik

Some info on Slowik.

Slowik may be the hottest candidate in all of coaching.

He's everyone's current darling.

Yeah you’d think him and Ben Johnson would be the top offensive guys. I like Slowik’s background more but hard to argue with Johnson’s success as well.

Yes. Slowik and Johnson are easily the top 2 guys among the snarky, "offense is everything" crowd. Of which I'm in.

I’m in the same crowd and I think Jeff Lurie and Howie are as well. They’ve been after this type of guy since Reid left.

If Siriani is fired, Im in the DC HC (Vrabel) who brings in the hot commodity QB coach to be OC. Id also settle for Reich. Sean McDermott has done an amazing job with his coordinators. They are flawed, sure, but no one can argue the Bills success isnt good if not great.

 

[JAA]

For instance, I would have NEVER let Andy Reid get out of Philadelphia.

@Joe Bryant but you would have. Andy went from 11-5 in 2009 to 10-6, 8-8 and 4-12 in a year where he made an OL coach his DC (you'll NEVER see this again) because our GM already had a DL coach on the team that was gonna run his system.

Philly wasnt good for AR. Its not cool to discuss ARs flaws as they are personal, but he needed a change of scenery.

 

[JAA]

The #Eagles offense -- final 7 games (with playoffs)

Offensive PPG -- 16.9 (26th in #NFL )
YPG -- 327.6 (19th)
YPP -- 5.3 (15th)
TOP -- 28:00 (29th)
Rush YPG -- 109.4 (18th)
Pass YPG -- 218.1 (16th)
3rd down % -- 44.2% (7th)
Red zone % -- 52.6% (21st)
Turnovers -- 12 (t-30th)

The #Eagles were 3rd in the #NFL in the last 7 games in yards before contact per rush (2.20).

They were 32nd in yards after contact per rush (2.15)

Hurts was responsible for a lot of those turnovers

 

[JAA]

Jalen Hurts Passer Rating Chart: 2022 vs. 2023

I believe this was playcalling and reads by Hurts. He looked lost out there.

 

[Terpman22]

But I want Vrabel. He's the perfect fit. Fix the F'n defense. Hire an OC with experience, maybe a failed HC like Reich, Staley, etc.

The only issue I have with this, is the second you get that offense rolling they’re gone. Unless one of these guys is a lifer OC it’s just to hard to maintain.

Just listened to Eskin and said that Lurie is not a fan of Belichick and wouldn’t even interview him.

We seem to really be chasing and looking for an innovative offensive play caller. If that’s what they want there’s quite a few out there now you could get if they’d be interested in the job. I think this team really wants a head coach that’s going to call plays.

Lions OC
I would be cool with Vrabel though and him finding a good oc

Or Bobby Slowik

Some info on Slowik.

Slowik may be the hottest candidate in all of coaching.

He's everyone's current darling.

Yeah you’d think him and Ben Johnson would be the top offensive guys. I like Slowik’s background more but hard to argue with Johnson’s success as well.

Yes. Slowik and Johnson are easily the top 2 guys among the snarky, "offense is everything" crowd. Of which I'm in.

I’m in the same crowd and I think Jeff Lurie and Howie are as well. They’ve been after this type of guy since Reid left.

If Siriani is fired, Im in the DC HC (Vrabel) who brings in the hot commodity QB coach to be OC. Id also settle for Reich. Sean McDermott has done an amazing job with his coordinators. They are flawed, sure, but no one can argue the Bills success isnt good if not great.

Reason I hate this kind of scenario is you're going to have to keep hiring a new OC whenever you have great success.

 

[JAA]

Coordinators must go. Nick didn't hire the coordinators but surely didn't get the most out of them either. Whatever Jeff and Howie decide to do, I'm ok with.

With that said, Howie needs to take a look in the mirror. Signing old guys (again) to extensions didn't help out or work. Ignoring the S and LB positions again, did not work. These need to remedied immediately.

I expect a big FA/trade season from him.

Name 1 big name linebacker Howie ever brought in. Unfortunately, in Howies Salary Cap world, which I subscribe to, LBs and RBs are after thoughts.

Was Demeco Ryan’s still on his game when the Eagles signed him?

I think he was over the hill. I liked the signing, but I do not believe he made 1 pro bowl. IIRC the last Eagles LB to make the pro bowl was Trotter.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Reason I hate this kind of scenario is you're going to have to keep hiring a new OC whenever you have great success.

So? Develop new OC/DCs. Same with losing players - you can't just set a team and stop. It never ends for good franchises.

 

[JAA]

Isnt it reasonable to say that as a new HC, Nick has to learn and experience these adverse situations? It possible Nick has never had to deal with something like this season before. If Im Lurie, Im only asking myself if my coach has grown.

 

[JAA]

But I want Vrabel. He's the perfect fit. Fix the F'n defense. Hire an OC with experience, maybe a failed HC like Reich, Staley, etc.

The only issue I have with this, is the second you get that offense rolling they’re gone. Unless one of these guys is a lifer OC it’s just to hard to maintain.

Just listened to Eskin and said that Lurie is not a fan of Belichick and wouldn’t even interview him.

We seem to really be chasing and looking for an innovative offensive play caller. If that’s what they want there’s quite a few out there now you could get if they’d be interested in the job. I think this team really wants a head coach that’s going to call plays.

Lions OC
I would be cool with Vrabel though and him finding a good oc

Or Bobby Slowik

Some info on Slowik.

Slowik may be the hottest candidate in all of coaching.

He's everyone's current darling.

Yeah you’d think him and Ben Johnson would be the top offensive guys. I like Slowik’s background more but hard to argue with Johnson’s success as well.

Yes. Slowik and Johnson are easily the top 2 guys among the snarky, "offense is everything" crowd. Of which I'm in.

I’m in the same crowd and I think Jeff Lurie and Howie are as well. They’ve been after this type of guy since Reid left.

If Siriani is fired, Im in the DC HC (Vrabel) who brings in the hot commodity QB coach to be OC. Id also settle for Reich. Sean McDermott has done an amazing job with his coordinators. They are flawed, sure, but no one can argue the Bills success isnt good if not great.

Reason I hate this kind of scenario is you're going to have to keep hiring a new OC whenever you have great success.

Isnt great success the goal? Maybe getting your coordinators hired away is a good thing?

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

on Sirianni, looking at 2023 he was fine with Steichen and Gannon. so we could say he wasn't the one who got us to the SB, it was the coordinators. or, optimistically, we can also say he can find two new coordinators who are better than the ones we have now and be just fine. can he be like Doug P or is he Frank R?

Whats really meaningful IMO about the Pederson/Reich comparison is we know how that one plays a bit out. Pederson looking good in Jax (who guessed that?) and Reich getting fired every other minute.

i was explicitly implying that. if sirianni had failed out of the gate and before Reich got ousted from Indy, we could have easily said (and I've done so in my circle) that Reich, not Pederson, was the QB whisperer. I think that's been largely debunked and Doug has done well in that respect with Lawrence. Like you said, who woulda have guessed that.

right now, coming out of the losses last two weeks, I wanna scream for Nick's head. but I think he deserves another season, or even two, to reset himself and his staff. and as many have said, mature a little as a HC. IMO the superbowl run last year earned him that. But this assumes he hasn't lost the locker room.

 

[Terpman22]

But I want Vrabel. He's the perfect fit. Fix the F'n defense. Hire an OC with experience, maybe a failed HC like Reich, Staley, etc.

The only issue I have with this, is the second you get that offense rolling they’re gone. Unless one of these guys is a lifer OC it’s just to hard to maintain.

Just listened to Eskin and said that Lurie is not a fan of Belichick and wouldn’t even interview him.

We seem to really be chasing and looking for an innovative offensive play caller. If that’s what they want there’s quite a few out there now you could get if they’d be interested in the job. I think this team really wants a head coach that’s going to call plays.

Lions OC
I would be cool with Vrabel though and him finding a good oc

Or Bobby Slowik

Some info on Slowik.

Slowik may be the hottest candidate in all of coaching.

He's everyone's current darling.

Yeah you’d think him and Ben Johnson would be the top offensive guys. I like Slowik’s background more but hard to argue with Johnson’s success as well.

Yes. Slowik and Johnson are easily the top 2 guys among the snarky, "offense is everything" crowd. Of which I'm in.

I’m in the same crowd and I think Jeff Lurie and Howie are as well. They’ve been after this type of guy since Reid left.

If Siriani is fired, Im in the DC HC (Vrabel) who brings in the hot commodity QB coach to be OC. Id also settle for Reich. Sean McDermott has done an amazing job with his coordinators. They are flawed, sure, but no one can argue the Bills success isnt good if not great.

Reason I hate this kind of scenario is you're going to have to keep hiring a new OC whenever you have great success.

Isnt great success the goal? Maybe getting your coordinators hired away is a good thing?

Of course. But its an offensive league. The guys that have been winning Super Bowls lately are offensive coaches, unless they have/had Tom Brady. You can hire top level DC's more readily available than up and coming/innovative offensive guys with new ideas.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

one more thought, the timing of the start of the steep decline for the season, which is roughly week 6, coincides not only with Hurts' injury report on his knee but when AJ complained about his usage and Eagles noticeably forced him the ball for two games. I love AJ, he's my favorite Eagle right now, but I have to wonder if he's been a good influence or if he is also contributing to any quiet strife. I thoguht he was a lot older, he's only 26 and Hurts 25. Who is the veteran presence to right the ship on the offensive when things go south like it did? Kelce and the vet linement aside, not sure there was one this year.

 

[Terpman22]

Reason I hate this kind of scenario is you're going to have to keep hiring a new OC whenever you have great success.

So? Develop new OC/DCs. Same with losing players - you can't just set a team and stop. It never ends for good franchises.

So why not just hire a good Offensive coach, in an offensive league, and do the same exact thing?

Mike Vrabel is a hot name right now. Why?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Reason I hate this kind of scenario is you're going to have to keep hiring a new OC whenever you have great success.

So? Develop new OC/DCs. Same with losing players - you can't just set a team and stop. It never ends for good franchises.

So why not just hire a good Offensive coach, in an offensive league, and do the same exact thing?

Mike Vrabel is a hot name right now. Why?

Because he's supposedly a good leader, I guess? Not sure where you're going with Vrabel.

I follow the Ravens, so I know more about them than other teams. Their HC was a ST guy. He keeps getting his cupboard picked clean and keeps developing new ACs. I have some issues with Harbaugh, but he consistently hires/develops promising assistants. Three of his top guys have interviewed for HC positions in the last week.

 

[BassNBrew]

I really liked Hurts coming into this season but something seems wrong with him. Even before he was hurt he looked a step slower than previous years, but he also looked more bulked up. There was no doubt something is wrong with his knee, at times when he ran it looked like he was favoring the bad knee , and limping when he got up. Also made some bad throws in a clean pocket.

To many squats.

 

[BassNBrew]

I firmly believe this meltdown was Karma's way of punishing Philly for subjecting us to the tush push all year.

 

[Terpman22]

Reason I hate this kind of scenario is you're going to have to keep hiring a new OC whenever you have great success.

So? Develop new OC/DCs. Same with losing players - you can't just set a team and stop. It never ends for good franchises.

So why not just hire a good Offensive coach, in an offensive league, and do the same exact thing?

Mike Vrabel is a hot name right now. Why?

Because he's supposedly a good leader, I guess? Not sure where you're going with Vrabel.

I follow the Ravens, so I know more about them than other teams. Their HC was a ST guy. He keeps getting his cupboard picked clean and keeps developing new ACs. I have some issues with Harbaugh, but he consistently hires/develops promising assistants. Three of his top guys have interviewed for HC positions in the last week.

I am well aware of John Harbaugh. He started his coaching career with the Eagles. He also is a former QB.

The reason I brought up Vrabel is 1. he is a defensive guy 2. His offense has not been good any years in Tennessee and 3. The record of Tennessee under him is suspect these last 2 years.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

My point was the franchise who can develop coaches and players will continually have to restock. That was in response to your original post. Would you rather have your team suck so you don't lose anyone?

 

[Insein]

one more thought, the timing of the start of the steep decline for the season, which is roughly week 6, coincides not only with Hurts' injury report on his knee but when AJ complained about his usage and Eagles noticeably forced him the ball for two games. I love AJ, he's my favorite Eagle right now, but I have to wonder if he's been a good influence or if he is also contributing to any quiet strife. I thoguht he was a lot older, he's only 26 and Hurts 25. Who is the veteran presence to right the ship on the offensive when things go south like it did? Kelce and the vet linement aside, not sure there was one this year.

They are going to be the Vet presence aside from Lane.

 

[ChicoCat]

If this team suffered from normal "Next Season Super Bowl loss" Blues and limped into the playoffs; I'd be fine with running Sirianni back. As it stands though, this was a historic collapse; maybe never seen before; across all facets of this team. They had a couple of opportunities after the SF/DAL roadblock to right the ship against mid teams. They didn't...and looke atrocious doing so. That's on Sirianni. I get that injuries happen (they happened to Buffalo and they won their last 7 games), drops happen (they happened to KC and they found another way to win and might have rightened their ship), cordinators sucking happens (Buf and PIt seemed to figure this out midseason and righted their ships). Either SF just mollywhopped PHI so bad they lost all interest in playing the game, Big Dom on the sidelines was such a good luck charm that when they lost them they were rudderless or once faced with adversity the culture wasn't great. I think its the third....and I lay that on Sirianni.

So cut bait after a horrible half-season? With all the other parts being exceptional?

Do you have faith that this ship will be righted?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Eagles WR/TE Screen Statistics & Rankings
Screen Pass Rate: 8.5% (2nd)
EPA/Screen: -0.278 (24th)
Success Rate: 38.6% (15th)
Boom Rate: 10.4% (15th)
Bust Rate: 14.6% (26th)

No other team in the NFL was as dedicated as doing something they were truly horrible at as the #Eagles.

 

[Terpman22]

My point was the franchise who can develop coaches and players will continually have to restock. That was in response to your original post. Would you rather have your team suck so you don't lose anyone?

I'm not sure what you are arguing against here. My preference is to have an Offensive Minded Head Coach in a league that continually is mining for the next McVay, etc.

I'd rather have the offense and QB on the same page thru multiple seasons than the defense. Personal preference. Obviously, if you have success you WILL lose coaches. No one is disputing that. I'd just rather lose OC's/DC's while knowing the overall offensive structure will be in place vs the offensive structure/QB relationship having to continually reajust/recalibrate. Not sure if this is hard to understand or if you simply want to argue semantics.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Go read your original post I quoted. That is what I was responding to. You've been moving the goalposts during this discussion, but I'll beg off. Have a good one!