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01 - Duckboy
02 - nittanylion
03 - rzrback77
04 - BassNBrew
05 - StinkkinRef
06 - Maggot Brain
07 - CalBear
08 - BroncoFreak_2k3
09 - Go DC Yourself
10 - Biabreakable
11 - bron1cos
12 - Tau837
13 - Anarchy99
14 - Pigskin Fanatic
15 - Ben & Jerry's
16 - Genester
 
OH, F'ING S!

I just saw this. Sorry, fellas, I flew back from El Salvador to the States last night on a redeye, and was supposed to be inside my house no later than 1:30AM, until shenanigans happened upon airplane arrival at IAD, where ICE, local and state law enforcement were waiting for a fellow disembarking from our plane, who wasn't much inclined to quietly go with them. Walked in my door just after 3AM.

Had a teleconference 9:30 this AM, and have been in a fog most of the day. Just opened the Forum window, and saw the alerts.

Will get on it immediately.
 
nittanylion said:
OH, F'ING S!

I just saw this. Sorry, fellas, I flew back from El Salvador to the States last night on a redeye, and was supposed to be inside my house no later than 1:30AM, until shenanigans happened upon airplane arrival at IAD, where ICE, local and state law enforcement were waiting for a fellow disembarking from our plane, who wasn't much inclined to quietly go with them. Walked in my door just after 3AM.

Had a teleconference 9:30 this AM, and have been in a fog most of the day. Just opened the Forum window, and saw the alerts.

Will get on it immediately.
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Dude. Chillax. I gave no notice to anyone. You're good. Deep breaths.
 
BassNBrew said:
rzrback77 said:
What is up with all the QBs going so fast? New trend?
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So many of the "studs" are on crappy teams. Guys like Allen, Hurts, and Lamar are glory hogs and don't share the love.
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It will be interesting to watch the remainder of the draft, but it is definitely different this year. And it will be a race to get done before the season begins in exactly two weeks.
 
rzrback77 said:
BassNBrew said:
rzrback77 said:
What is up with all the QBs going so fast? New trend?
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So many of the "studs" are on crappy teams. Guys like Allen, Hurts, and Lamar are glory hogs and don't share the love.
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It will be interesting to watch the remainder of the draft, but it is definitely different this year. And it will be a race to get done before the season begins in exactly two weeks.
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Nah. It won't be a race. Even if we have a round or so to go by the Thursday night game, there would only be a couple of players left to pick from that would be playing Game 1. Then there would be 2 full days to close things out. Not that worried.
 
Stinkin Ref said:
rzrback77 said:
What is up with all the QBs going so fast? New trend?
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think there are some guys who are a lock to make playoffs.....so you get those extra points in bunches
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The best thing about this format is that there is no clear, single path to victory. There are a lot of ways to be successful (or fail).

I took Burrow as the 5th TMQB drafted. Last season, he finished as the #6 overall scorer with 468.62 points without making the playoffs. He had the second highest scoring average at 27.566 ppg. Burrow is in his prime, with great offensive coaching and great passing targets in their primes, on a team with a below average defense. I think there is a good chance the Bengals make the playoffs this season, so even despite his performance last season, there is some possible upside for 2025.

Barkley was the top non-QB scorer at #9 with 411.70 (20.585ppg), but he required 20 games to do it. Chase was right there at #10 with 403 (23.706 ppg), but he required an all time WR season to do it. IMO in this format it makes sense to try to find safe picks early, since talent/scoring level drops off so fast with 16 teams, and busting on a pick in the top couple rounds can eliminate a team from contention. I think a top TMQB is generally a safe bet for a high scoring season. I'm not saying Barkley and Chase aren't safe picks, but think it is more likely Burrow repeats his 2024 point total than either Barkley or Chase.

I know there are those who would counter with VBD. That is, if you take a top RB, WR, TE early, the delta in points to later players will be greater than the delta in points from top QB to later QB. I believe that approach makes sense, but I think the top scoring QBs may be a bit different because their scoring potential is so high. It was the VBD approach that led me to take Kelce with my second pick.

:football:
 
To be a bit the contrarian, looking at team QBs scoring last year:

  1. over 500 points - 4
  2. 400 - 500 pts - 5
  3. 350 - 400 - 3
  4. 300 - 350 - 11
  5. 250 - 300 - 9

A few of last year's surprises:

QB drafted #6 Dallas QBs scored 292
QB drafted #15 Jacksonville QBs scored 285
QB drafted #16 Washington QBs scored 542
QB drafted #28 Minnesota QBs scored 403
QB drafted #31 Denver QBs scored 390
QB drafted #32 Carolina QBs scored 302

It is possible to hit late on QBs and get more production from your late WRs, RBs & TEs by adding them earlier and waiting on QBs. It works out best when you draft players that are both productive and healthy.
 
rzrback77 said:
To be a bit the contrarian, looking at team QBs scoring last year:

  1. over 500 points - 4
  2. 400 - 500 pts - 5
  3. 350 - 400 - 3
  4. 300 - 350 - 11
  5. 250 - 300 - 9

A few of last year's surprises:

QB drafted #6 Dallas QBs scored 292
QB drafted #15 Jacksonville QBs scored 285
QB drafted #16 Washington QBs scored 542
QB drafted #28 Minnesota QBs scored 403
QB drafted #31 Denver QBs scored 390
QB drafted #32 Carolina QBs scored 302

It is possible to hit late on QBs and get more production from your late WRs, RBs & TEs by adding them earlier and waiting on QBs. It works out best when you draft players that are both productive and healthy.
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Good luck picking the ones you can draft late to hit big. (Not cricitizing your post, just saying it isn't predicable.)
 
Tau837 said:
Good luck picking the ones you can draft late to hit big. (Not cricitizing your post, just saying it isn't predicable.)
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They don't have to hit it big. Because if you wait REALLY late, you get 265 points in a round people are combing through guys hoping for 50-75 points. And if they hit it big, it's a huge bonus. In L1 last year, I got nearly 400 points from taking DEN TMQB at pick 287. It's a net sum game, so it's mapping out what will be available throughout the entire draft. There are lots of different strategies. Still takes luck and health to win though.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Tau837 said:
Good luck picking the ones you can draft late to hit big. (Not cricitizing your post, just saying it isn't predicable.)
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They don't have to hit it big. Because if you wait REALLY late, you get 265 points in a round people are combing through guys hoping for 50-75 points. And if they hit it big, it's a huge bonus. In L1 last year, I got nearly 400 points from taking DEN TMQB at pick 287. It's a net sum game, so it's mapping out what will be available throughout the entire draft. There are lots of different strategies. Still takes luck and health to win though.
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Yet no one who waits until REALLY late consistently wins. As I said in my initial post, the best thing about this format is that there is no clear, single path to victory. There are a lot of ways to be successful (or fail).

I initially responded because someone asked why QBs were going so early. I answered, from my perspective, while noting the above.
 
Tau837 said:
Anarchy99 said:
Tau837 said:
Good luck picking the ones you can draft late to hit big. (Not cricitizing your post, just saying it isn't predicable.)
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They don't have to hit it big. Because if you wait REALLY late, you get 265 points in a round people are combing through guys hoping for 50-75 points. And if they hit it big, it's a huge bonus. In L1 last year, I got nearly 400 points from taking DEN TMQB at pick 287. It's a net sum game, so it's mapping out what will be available throughout the entire draft. There are lots of different strategies. Still takes luck and health to win though.
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Yet no one who waits until REALLY late consistently wins. As I said in my initial post, the best thing about this format is that there is no clear, single path to victory. There are a lot of ways to be successful (or fail).

I initially responded because someone asked why QBs were going so early. I answered, from my perspective, while noting the above.
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This made me curious. Last season:
  • 2 teams in A2 drafted both TMQBs late:
    • CalBear drafted them in 13th and 14th and finished #5
    • Biabreakable drafted them in 16th and 18th and finished #11
  • 6 teams in A2 drafted 1 TMQB in the first 2 rounds:
    • rzrback77 drafted BUF TMQB at 1.11 and finished #8
    • Go DC Yourself drafted KC TMQB at 1.15 and finished #4
    • Tau87 drafted BAL TMQB at 2.01 and finished #3
    • Maggot Brain drafted PHI TMQB at 2.10 and finished #14
    • bro1ncos drafted DAL TMQB at 2.14 and finished #9
    • Genester drafted CIN TMQB at 2.15 and finished #7
I don't really see any useful pattern here, but obviously 1 season is a small sample size. I'm not motivated enough to look back at previous seasons to see if there is any pattern. I seriously doubt it, because performance is so dependent on a roster of 18 players/defenses and injuries.
 
Grrrr. Nittany essentially has two picks back to back. I would normally step in to make one of them, but I am gun shy about making two. Will see where we are as the day evolves. If no progress by lunchtime, I will intervene.
 
As far as the QBs go I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying.

VBD is not really enough because its total points and QB score the most points. So perfectly reasonable to draft them early.

At the same time they are garunteed to score points, they are immune to injury (somewhat.. they will score something) so selecting them last also makes sense.
 
Biabreakable said:
As far as the QBs go I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying.

VBD is not really enough because its total points and QB score the most points. So perfectly reasonable to draft them early.
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Just want to point out that this is clearly missing the point of VBD. If all the QBs score 9999 points, you should take them in rounds 17 and 18. VBD is measuring the relative difference in point potential between players, specifically accounting for the fact that different positions score differentially.
 
CalBear said:
Biabreakable said:
As far as the QBs go I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying.

VBD is not really enough because its total points and QB score the most points. So perfectly reasonable to draft them early.
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Just want to point out that this is clearly missing the point of VBD. If all the QBs score 9999 points, you should take them in rounds 17 and 18. VBD is measuring the relative difference in point potential between players, specifically accounting for the fact that different positions score differentially.
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I just want to point out that you only heard what you wanted to hear.

Go ahead and Dad splain something Ive known about pre internet though.
 
Biabreakable said:
CalBear said:
Biabreakable said:
As far as the QBs go I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying.

VBD is not really enough because its total points and QB score the most points. So perfectly reasonable to draft them early.
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Just want to point out that this is clearly missing the point of VBD. If all the QBs score 9999 points, you should take them in rounds 17 and 18. VBD is measuring the relative difference in point potential between players, specifically accounting for the fact that different positions score differentially.
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I just want to point out that you only heard what you wanted to hear.

Go ahead and Dad splain something Ive known about pre internet though.
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Could you Dadsplain what you mean by "it's total points and QB score the most points", in the context of VBD?
 
As annoying as I'm sure it was, waiting for me around the 4/5 turn, it's equally so, the reaches that guys make when the Draft is a 16-Team Snake, full of sharp guys who know each other.

We're just taking each others' money, like the Rounders scene when Mike and Worm hit the Taj, and find the whole crew from NY sitting together at the same table.
 
nittanylion said:
As annoying as I'm sure it was, waiting for me around the 4/5 turn, it's equally so, the reaches that guys make when the Draft is a 16-Team Snake, full of sharp guys who know each other.

We're just taking each others' money, like the Rounders scene when Mike and Worm hit the Taj, and find the whole crew from NY sitting together at the same table.
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. . . and that's when nittany realized he was one of the tourists.
 
Updating a post from last season.

I gathered up some history a few seasons ago on this. Here it is, updated:
  • 2005: 1st (Vanderjagt) at 12.5, 2nd (Vinatieri) at 12.6
  • 2006: 1st (Vinatieri) at 12.4, 2nd (Elam) at 13.11
  • 2007: 1st (Vinatieri) at 11.3, 2nd (Wilkins) at 12.13
  • 2008: 1st (Gostkowski) at 11.3, 2nd (Folk) at 11.11
  • 2009: 1st (Gostkowski) at 12.14, 2nd (Kaeding) at 13.3
  • 2010: 1st (Kaeding) at 12.2, 2nd (Hartley) at 12.6
  • 2011: 1st (Crosby) at 12.4, 2nd (Kaeding) at 12.5
  • 2012: 1st (Akers) at 11.3, 2nd (Gostkowski) at 12.1
  • 2013: 1st (Gostkowski) at 12.8, 2nd (Prater) at 12.11
  • 2014: 1st (Prater) at 11.16, 2nd (Hauschka) at 12.1
  • 2015: 1st (Gostkowski) at 10.16, 2nd (Crosby) at 11.1
  • 2016: 1st (Gostkowski) at 9.3, 2nd (Hauschka) at 11.11
  • 2017: 1st (Gostkowski) at 10.10, 2nd (Tucker) at 10.12
  • 2018: 1st (Gostkowski) at 10.6, 2nd (Zuerlein) at 10.11
  • 2019: 1st (Zuerlein) at 10.2, 2nd (Butker) at 10.10
  • 2020: 1st (Butker) at 9.13, 2nd (Tucker) at 10.4
  • 2021: 1st (Koo) at 11.1, 2nd (Butker) at 11.2
  • 2022: 1st (Butker) at 10.13, 2nd (Tucker) at 11.3
  • 2023: 1st (Tucker) at 11.4, 2nd (Bass) at 11.12
  • 2024: 1st (Butker) at 9.6, 2nd (Tucker) at 9.11
  • 2025: 1st (Aubrey) at 10.1, 2nd (Loop) at 11.4
@Anarchy99 posted this in response to my post last year:

I couldn't get access to the older leagues for some reason, but here is a breakdown of how the teams that drafted the early kickers fared: 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 14. IMO, that's some decent finishes and way better than I would have expected. The question becomes if that was a coincidence or if implementing such a strategy impacted the year-end results.
  • 2017: 1st (Gostkowski) at 10.10 (FINISHED 1st), 2nd (Tucker) at 10.12 (FINISHED 4th)
  • 2018: 1st (Gostkowski) at 10.6 (FINISHED 8th), 2nd (Zuerlein) at 10.11 (FINISHED 3rd)
  • 2019: 1st (Zuerlein) at 10.2 (FINISHED 7th), 2nd (Butker) at 10.10 (FINISHED 14th)
  • 2020: 1st (Butker) at 9.13 (FINISHED 2nd), 2nd (Tucker) at 10.4 (FINISHED 2nd) (Same team drafted both kickers)
  • 2021: 1st (Koo) at 11.1 (FINISHED 5th), 2nd (Butker) at 11.2 (FINISHED 2nd)
  • 2022: 1st (Butker) at 10.13 (FINISHED 4th), 2nd (Tucker) at 11.3 (FINISHED 1st)
  • 2023: 1st (Tucker) at 11.4 (FINISHED 9th), 2nd (Bass) at 11.12 (FINISHED 2nd)
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Last season, @Biabreakable took Butker and finished #11; @rzrback77 took Tucker and finished #8.

Obviously, there are many variables. I'm not suggesting there is anything predictive here.

I know trivia like this really spices up the thread! :football:
 
@Tau837 - but last year Tucker was no longer Tucker. I held on one year longer than anyone should have, but nobody knew.

Great info! Thanks for sharing.
 
We aren't going to finish the draft by game time tomorrow, but it really shouldn't be a big deal. The main players in the DAL / PHI game have already been drafted. Although we do get on it to finish by the early games on Sunday. Even then, our teams will be limited in the spots they need to fill, and a lot of teams will be adding kickers and defenses by then.
 
Anarchy99 said:
We aren't going to finish the draft by game time tomorrow, but it really shouldn't be a big deal. The main players in the DAL / PHI game have already been drafted. Although we do get on it to finish by the early games on Sunday. Even then, our teams will be limited in the spots they need to fill, and a lot of teams will be adding kickers and defenses by then.
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Subtract one point from people's season total for every 10 minutes of delay from here on out. No excuse to not be pre-drafting, there are almost no options left.
 
CalBear said:
Anarchy99 said:
We aren't going to finish the draft by game time tomorrow, but it really shouldn't be a big deal. The main players in the DAL / PHI game have already been drafted. Although we do get on it to finish by the early games on Sunday. Even then, our teams will be limited in the spots they need to fill, and a lot of teams will be adding kickers and defenses by then.
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Subtract one point from people's season total for every 10 minutes of delay from here on out. No excuse to not be pre-drafting, there are almost no options left.
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LOL. Like I have time to deal with that.
 
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Anarchy99 said:
CalBear said:
Anarchy99 said:
We aren't going to finish the draft by game time tomorrow, but it really shouldn't be a big deal. The main players in the DAL / PHI game have already been drafted. Although we do get on it to finish by the early games on Sunday. Even then, our teams will be limited in the spots they need to fill, and a lot of teams will be adding kickers and defenses by then.
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Subtract one point from people's season total for every 10 minutes of delay from here on out. No excuse to not be pre-drafting, there are almost no options left.
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LOL. Like have time to deal with that.
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Guess this pushes back the release of all the annual pulitzer prize-winning fake football post-draft reviews as well...

;)
 
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Cowboys defense (and other Dallas and Philly fringe players for end of draft) are locked. We need 32 defenses, so this will be a problem.
 
Pigskin Fanatic said:
Cowboys defense (and other Dallas and Philly fringe players for end of draft) are locked. We need 32 defenses, so this will be a problem.
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I believe they are locked from “starting” if we were a submit a roster league, but they may not be locked from drafting. I am sure they have other leagues still drafting.

But if people CAN’T draft people that already played, here’s what you can do. Pick a player that no one would possibly ever want to draft and leave a comment naming the player you actually want in the comment box . Even if it’s the Cowboys defense. I can either manually replace the pick or get MFL to fix it after.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Pigskin Fanatic said:
Cowboys defense (and other Dallas and Philly fringe players for end of draft) are locked. We need 32 defenses, so this will be a problem.
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I believe they are locked from “starting” if we were a submit a roster league, but they may not be locked from drafting. I am sure they have other leagues still drafting.

But if people CAN’T draft people that already played, here’s what you can do. Pick a player that no one would possibly ever want to draft and leave a comment naming the player you actually want in the comment box . Even if it’s the Cowboys defense. I can either manually replace the pick or get MFL to fix it after.
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Or we could just, like, never finish the draft.
 
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