2025 College Football Thread: Taylor Swift demonstrates true love to fiancee by attending Big 12 football game (5 Viewers)

[Sparky Polastri]

Michigan was in a major funk going on 20 years of underwhelming. They magically start cheating and win three big ten titles in a row, go to the playoffs three times in a row and win a title, but absolutely no correlation.

There was very much a correlation. That's easy to establish. What hasn't been established is the causation that so many of you have claimed.

I was being cheeky.

This whole time? Because you seem very invested in Michigan only being successful because of their cheating. What doesn't square for me with these theories are the blowout losses in playoff games or inexplicable losses in playoff games. Was that all part of their ruse/plan?

Georgia was just better and dominate their other loses were a close one to MSU, when MSU ran no huddle for the first time and to TCU who they didn't scout because they didn't think TCU was going to make it after their Big 12 title game loss and TCU was told they might have their signs and had month to change signs. Plus throwing two pick sixes.

UGA and OSU are on a pretty similar tier talent wise. OSU is consistently "just better" than them, but they seem to struggle. This is historically true with OSU though, not just the last few years. We are stumbling very much into that subjective territory here where in some cases it mattered, others it didn't apparently. This is my main problem with the whole narrative. It's consistently inconsistent. You will offer up enough exceptions to the rule that then makes the rule really not all that sound to begin with.

We have a rather obvious narrative in front of us that we are ignoring for the sake of scandal when it comes to their almost 25 years of sucktitude. BUT, like I said, we'll know this year if your theory holds water. They should be back down in that 5-6 win range if you're right. They should have been back down to that last year, but....

 

[msudaisy26]

Michigan was in a major funk going on 20 years of underwhelming. They magically start cheating and win three big ten titles in a row, go to the playoffs three times in a row and win a title, but absolutely no correlation.

There was very much a correlation. That's easy to establish. What hasn't been established is the causation that so many of you have claimed.

I was being cheeky.

This whole time? Because you seem very invested in Michigan only being successful because of their cheating. What doesn't square for me with these theories are the blowout losses in playoff games or inexplicable losses in playoff games. Was that all part of their ruse/plan?

Georgia was just better and dominate their other loses were a close one to MSU, when MSU ran no huddle for the first time and to TCU who they didn't scout because they didn't think TCU was going to make it after their Big 12 title game loss and TCU was told they might have their signs and had month to change signs. Plus throwing two pick sixes.

UGA and OSU are on a pretty similar tier talent wise. OSU is consistently "just better" than them, but they seem to struggle. This is historically true with OSU though, not just the last few years. We are stumbling very much into that subjective territory here where in some cases it mattered, others it didn't apparently. This is my main problem with the whole narrative. It's consistently inconsistent. You will offer up enough exceptions to the rule that then makes the rule really not all that sound to begin with.

We have a rather obvious narrative in front of us that we are ignoring for the sake of scandal when it comes to their almost 25 years of sucktitude. BUT, like I said, we'll know this year if your theory holds water. They should be back down in that 5-6 win range if you're right. They should have been back down to that last year, but....

I have no idea where you are going with this. They weren't 5 or 6 win bad, but they weren't a top 10 program either. There is a huge line there. I am only talking about Georgia 2021. They were awesome, better than most OSU teams, on par with some of the most dominant teams in the last 25 years.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

I don't know how you don't know this, but the Rodriguez/Hoke era they were barely .500

Harbaugh was a couple points better in win percentage than Lloyd Carr and Harbaugh had the benefit of this massive cheating complex.

 

[Capella]

FIVE MORE SLEEPS TO FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good opening game but pretty terrible week 0 this year.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

 

[General Malaise]

Rich Rod is a good coach. I don't care how badly it went in Michigan, he's a damn good HC and will get West Virginia back to relevance.

Brady Hoke is the Freddy Kitchens of college coaching. That was an awful hire by Michigan. He was atrocious at Oregon as DC. Guy fell asleep during a radio interview over the phone. Just a total glub of stupid glue.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Rich Rod is a good coach. I don't care how badly it went in Michigan, he's a damn good HC and will get West Virginia back to relevance.

Brady Hoke is the Freddy Kitchens of college coaching. That was an awful hire by Michigan. He was atrocious at Oregon as DC. Guy fell asleep during a radio interview over the phone. Just a total glub of stupid glue.

Rich Rod couldn't adapt to Midwest football and didnt understand how to build teams to beat the likes of the blue bloods. I consider his approach to be somewhat gimmicky. Its not a recipe for success nationally IMO.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

The thread title


Would anyone willingly admit to being a fan of Rutgers? I would just say “oh uh I don’t watch college football” or something

 

[Sparky Polastri]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Rich Rod is a good coach. I don't care how badly it went in Michigan, he's a damn good HC and will get West Virginia back to relevance.

Brady Hoke is the Freddy Kitchens of college coaching. That was an awful hire by Michigan. He was atrocious at Oregon as DC. Guy fell asleep during a radio interview over the phone. Just a total glub of stupid glue.

Rich Rod couldn't adapt to Midwest football and didnt understand how to build teams to beat the likes of the blue bloods. I consider his approach to be somewhat gimmicky. Its not a recipe for success nationally IMO.

All of this is true

Also did we really have people saying Ohio State wasn’t a dirty program ?

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Rich Rod is a good coach. I don't care how badly it went in Michigan, he's a damn good HC and will get West Virginia back to relevance.

Brady Hoke is the Freddy Kitchens of college coaching. That was an awful hire by Michigan. He was atrocious at Oregon as DC. Guy fell asleep during a radio interview over the phone. Just a total glub of stupid glue.

Rich Rod couldn't adapt to Midwest football and didnt understand how to build teams to beat the likes of the blue bloods. I consider his approach to be somewhat gimmicky. Its not a recipe for success nationally IMO.

All of this is true

Also did we really have people saying Ohio State wasn’t a dirty program ?

I don't think so. Just that it was somehow "different" with Michigan being worse in comparison.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Sorry if Honda. Thought this was interesting.

Ranking 136 college football teams entering 2025, from Penn State to Kent State

Who will win it all in 2025? Who will be comically overlooked? Who will make the Playoff, and who will finish at No. 136?

www.nytimes.com

Penn State at #1

Penn State

Clemson

Texas

Ohio State

Georgia

Notre Dame

Oregon

Arizona State

Alabama

LSU

​

 

[Joe Bryant]

1. Penn State: The Nittany Lions are this year’s Michigan and Ohio State, with a lot of guys who turned down the NFL to come back to win it all, and I predict they will. You can’t get over the hump until you finally do.

2. Clemson: The Tigers might be back with a loaded offense. Let’s hope new coordinator Tom Allen fixes that run defense, however.

3. Texas: I believe in Arch Manning, but I have some concerns about all the talent being replaced in the trenches, where Texas has been so good.

4. Ohio State: The Buckeyes have as many holes as Texas, but they always figure it out. Having Jeremiah Smith, who should be an active NFL receiver right now, also helps.

5. Georgia: There are questions at every level of the offense (is Gunner Stockton really the guy?) but we may be overlooking the Dawgs.

6. Notre Dame: The lack of clarity at quarterback might be a bit concerning, but running back Jeremiyah Love and that offensive line will keep the Irish strong on the ground.

7. Oregon: People in the program rave about quarterback Dante Moore, and I love transfer running back Makhi Hughes, but can the Ducks stretch the field?

8. Arizona State: The Sun Devils bring almost everyone back from a CFP quarterfinals run, and talented back Kanye Udoh replaces Cam Skattebo.

9. Alabama: Could Ty Simpson be a better fit for Kalen DeBoer’s offense? The Tide have to avoid a repeat of those letdown performances that Nick Saban never had.

10. LSU: Will uber-talented quarterback Garrett Nussmeier get any help in the run game behind a new offensive line? The defensive line transfers had better be SEC-ready.

 

[bigbottom]

Michigan was in a major funk going on 20 years of underwhelming. They magically start cheating and win three big ten titles in a row, go to the playoffs three times in a row and win a title, but absolutely no correlation.

There was very much a correlation. That's easy to establish. What hasn't been established is the causation that so many of you have claimed. They should easily back to the 6 win seasons this year if this was all cheating. We'll find out this year I guess.

Things an Astros fan would say!

*25000Pyramid*

 

[General Malaise]

Rich Rod is a good coach. I don't care how badly it went in Michigan, he's a damn good HC and will get West Virginia back to relevance.

Brady Hoke is the Freddy Kitchens of college coaching. That was an awful hire by Michigan. He was atrocious at Oregon as DC. Guy fell asleep during a radio interview over the phone. Just a total glub of stupid glue.

Rich Rod couldn't adapt to Midwest football and didnt understand how to build teams to beat the likes of the blue bloods. I consider his approach to be somewhat gimmicky. Its not a recipe for success nationally IMO.

He also didn't get a very long leash to do what he wanted to do there.

He lifted West Virginia out of irrelevance, was good at Arizona but got in a little trouble and got Jacksonville State to a level I don’t think they've seen before. If he is successful at West Virginia again, I think his Michigan days will be viewed as an outlier.

Brady Hoke was straight trash as a coach.

 

[GroveDiesel]

“There’s no evidence Michigan cheated” is quite an argument when the NCAA provided a ton of evidence that Michigan destroyed or straight up refused to provide requested evidence and repeatedly lied.

Sure seems like multiple people at Michigan went out of their way to obstruct, lie, and destroy evidence for there to be nothing there. You lose the ability to say there is no evidence after going out of the way to get rid of/coverup any evidence.

 

[kupcho1]

I think the sign stealing was stupid because they DID NOT need it to win in 2023. They were just better than everybody else and proved it.

Don't take this as a knock, but you usually make more sense than this.

Saying they didn't need sign stealing to win is nothing but conjecture. Clearly, they thought they needed to cheat to win. Why else would they have been doing it?

They proved nothing. Nothing honest, anyway.

If they really didn't need to cheat to win (we'll never know for sure in this timeline), what were they doing it for? Style points?

All it got them was a tainted national championship*

 

[General Malaise]

I think the sign stealing was stupid because they DID NOT need it to win in 2023. They were just better than everybody else and proved it.

Don't take this as a knock, but you usually make more sense than this.

Saying they didn't need sign stealing to win is nothing but conjecture. Clearly, they thought they needed to cheat to win. Why else would they have been doing it?

They proved nothing. Nothing honest, anyway.

If they really didn't need to cheat to win (we'll never know for sure in this timeline), what were they doing it for? Style points?

All it got them was a tainted national championship*

"No offense but....."


We both watched them play in 2023. If you think they cheated in dominating Penn State without attempting a forward pass in the 2nd half, there is no changing your mind.

If you think cheating is how they best Ohio State and Alabama, I'm not changing your mind.

And if you watched them beat the brakes off Washington and think that game was tainted, there is no changing your mind.

And there is no changing your mind because it is full of bias. Not a knock or anything, but your bias stinks as bad as your "takes".

 

[kupcho1]

"No offense but....."

I thought twice about leading with that, but went with it regardless of how it might be misinterpreted. I'm sorry I caused offense. That was not my intent.

We both watched them play in 2023. If you think they cheated in dominating Penn State without attempting a forward pass in the 2nd half, there is no changing your mind.

If you think cheating is how they best Ohio State and Alabama, I'm not changing your mind.

And if you watched them beat the brakes off Washington and think that game was tainted, there is no changing your mind.

Here's a thought: both things can be true.

1. Michigan dominated Penn State and bested Ohio State & Alabama.
2. They also cheated.

Please note that I did not say "They also cheated to do so." I don't think I've stated anywhere in this thread that the only reason Michigan won games in 2023 was because they cheated (which is what you seem to be implying above; if that's not the case, disregard). I could be mistaken, although I went back through the last few pages and didn't see any such statement. I'm sure if I did, someone will find and quote it.

And there is no changing your mind because it is full of bias. Not a knock or anything, but your bias stinks as bad as your "takes".

Regarding my "bias", that's just a weak argument a fan or casual observer can throw up against anyone that's not a fan of the team in question. To be clear, I won't call you biased when you go off on something Washington or Oregon St. does. I might look at your argument with a bit of skepticism, but I won't disregard it out of hand on arrival.

And if my "take" that Michigan's cheating makes their national championship* a hollow victory, I can live with that.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Rich Rod is a good coach. I don't care how badly it went in Michigan, he's a damn good HC and will get West Virginia back to relevance.

Brady Hoke is the Freddy Kitchens of college coaching. That was an awful hire by Michigan. He was atrocious at Oregon as DC. Guy fell asleep during a radio interview over the phone. Just a total glub of stupid glue.

Rich Rod couldn't adapt to Midwest football and didnt understand how to build teams to beat the likes of the blue bloods. I consider his approach to be somewhat gimmicky. Its not a recipe for success nationally IMO.

He also didn't get a very long leash to do what he wanted to do there.

He lifted West Virginia out of irrelevance, was good at Arizona but got in a little trouble and got Jacksonville State to a level I don’t think they've seen before. If he is successful at West Virginia again, I think his Michigan days will be viewed as an outlier.

Brady Hoke was straight trash as a coach.

Pretty sure the country recognized duration wasn't really going to matter. His philosophy just wouldn't work in the B1G. It won't work in the SEC either. Its fine for the PAC or B12. Anywhere that success is predicated on the run, he's going to fail

 

[Sparky Polastri]

I am unaware of anyone saying there is no evidence. I said I'd like to see it. We haven't seen it. We've been told what it is supposedly.

I am also unaware of anyone saying Michigan didnt cheat. They did. They are and will continue to.

 

[Zeppelin]

"No offense but....."


We both watched them play in 2023. If you think they cheated in dominating Penn State without attempting a forward pass in the 2nd half, there is no changing your mind.

If you think cheating is how they best Ohio State and Alabama, I'm not changing your mind.

And if you watched them beat the brakes off Washington and think that game was tainted, there is no changing your mind.

And there is no changing your mind because it is full of bias. Not a knock or anything, but your bias stinks as bad as your "takes".

In addition, the allegations came out during the season so teams they played after that had time to change their signs. If Ohio State and the playoff teams STILL had their signs stolen after knowing about the allegations, then those teams deserved to lose.

The sign stealing had zero to do with any of the late season games.

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the sign stealing was stupid because they DID NOT need it to win in 2023. They were just better than everybody else and proved it.

Don't take this as a knock, but you usually make more sense than this.

Saying they didn't need sign stealing to win is nothing but conjecture. Clearly, they thought they needed to cheat to win. Why else would they have been doing it?

They proved nothing. Nothing honest, anyway.

If they really didn't need to cheat to win (we'll never know for sure in this timeline), what were they doing it for? Style points?

All it got them was a tainted national championship*

"No offense but....."


We both watched them play in 2023. If you think they cheated in dominating Penn State without attempting a forward pass in the 2nd half, there is no changing your mind.

If you think cheating is how they best Ohio State and Alabama, I'm not changing your mind.

And if you watched them beat the brakes off Washington and think that game was tainted, there is no changing your mind.

And there is no changing your mind because it is full of bias. Not a knock or anything, but your bias stinks as bad as your "takes".

I know we have went round and round about this, but IMO opinion 2023 doesn't happen without the cheating for a lot of reasons.

They cheated early in the year and maybe the lose a game or two, upsets happen.

Harbaugh was on the verge of losing his job, that whole coaching staff could have been gone by 2023 if they don't win the big ten in 2021.

Quite a few players came back to try to win the title in 2023, do they that if they weren't so close? They could have easily dropped another game or two each year and not have even won a big ten title or went to the playoffs.

They also got into Ryan Day's head. Does that happen if they aren't cheating yo beat them in 2021 and 2022?

 

[msudaisy26]

"No offense but....."


We both watched them play in 2023. If you think they cheated in dominating Penn State without attempting a forward pass in the 2nd half, there is no changing your mind.

If you think cheating is how they best Ohio State and Alabama, I'm not changing your mind.

And if you watched them beat the brakes off Washington and think that game was tainted, there is no changing your mind.

And there is no changing your mind because it is full of bias. Not a knock or anything, but your bias stinks as bad as your "takes".

In addition, the allegations came out during the season so teams they played after that had time to change their signs. If Ohio State and the playoff teams STILL had their signs stolen after knowing about the allegations, then those teams deserved to lose.

The sign stealing had zero to do with any of the late season games.

It doesn't work that way. You don't learn Spanish and then decide one day it is too time consuming and instantly forget everything.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

"No offense but....."


We both watched them play in 2023. If you think they cheated in dominating Penn State without attempting a forward pass in the 2nd half, there is no changing your mind.

If you think cheating is how they best Ohio State and Alabama, I'm not changing your mind.

And if you watched them beat the brakes off Washington and think that game was tainted, there is no changing your mind.

And there is no changing your mind because it is full of bias. Not a knock or anything, but your bias stinks as bad as your "takes".

In addition, the allegations came out during the season so teams they played after that had time to change their signs. If Ohio State and the playoff teams STILL had their signs stolen after knowing about the allegations, then those teams deserved to lose.

The sign stealing had zero to do with any of the late season games.

oSU* and little sister are gonna stay salty. No amount of reason and commonsense when it comes to Michigan football is gonna matter. Just gonna have to let them cry it all out and get it out of their system. Eventually they might realize how ridiculous they sound.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

I'm sure i have a graveyard of broken remotes somewhere from those days.

Carr struggled mightily in big games his final years and ofcourse App St happened, but there was still a pretty high standard and a culture firmly in place. RR never really made sense as a hire imo. Run the ball and play great D wasn't his style yet that's what everyone still wanted and when there wasn't instant success his days were numbered. I remember thinking I'd seen enough when he was let go, but if he had another year or 2 who knows, maybe there could have been a spark.

Hoke deserves no comments

Harbaugh had his work cut out for him, but he delivered in a big way. He got the leash he needed to right the ship and that's exactly what he did. The transition to Moore seems to be going well and I'm expecting some growing pains this year and some big time success in 26. Losing their 5* freshman LT for the season sucks this year, but things are shaping up for some great teams.

 

[msudaisy26]

"No offense but....."


We both watched them play in 2023. If you think they cheated in dominating Penn State without attempting a forward pass in the 2nd half, there is no changing your mind.

If you think cheating is how they best Ohio State and Alabama, I'm not changing your mind.

And if you watched them beat the brakes off Washington and think that game was tainted, there is no changing your mind.

And there is no changing your mind because it is full of bias. Not a knock or anything, but your bias stinks as bad as your "takes".

In addition, the allegations came out during the season so teams they played after that had time to change their signs. If Ohio State and the playoff teams STILL had their signs stolen after knowing about the allegations, then those teams deserved to lose.

The sign stealing had zero to do with any of the late season games.

oSU* and little sister are gonna stay salty. No amount of reason and commonsense when it comes to Michigan football is gonna matter. Just gonna have to let them cry it all out and get it out of their system. Eventually they might realize how ridiculous they sound.

So rich coming from a Michigan fan.

All the talent and resources they have and they couldn't do anything with it until they cheated.

There are probably 30 other programs that would have done more than Michigan over the past 50 years if they had their resources (money/recruits etc.) and most of them have. Gotta love the dellisional, underachievers of the big ten and most of their fans.

 

[Mookie Gizzy]

They broke a rule that was enacted by the NCAA for financial reasons, not competitive advantage reasons. And they were in the process of revoking the rule, so I don’t know how much of an impact that had. Plus Stallions should have gotten a lifetime show cause. And those Michigan fans who are genuflecting at his altar need to go find a new team.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I used to enjoy this thread

 

[Sparky Polastri]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

I'm sure i have a graveyard of broken remotes somewhere from those days.

Carr struggled mightily in big games his final years and ofcourse App St happened, but there was still a pretty high standard and a culture firmly in place. RR never really made sense as a hire imo. Run the ball and play great D wasn't his style yet that's what everyone still wanted and when there wasn't instant success his days were numbered. I remember thinking I'd seen enough when he was let go, but if he had another year or 2 who knows, maybe there could have been a spark.

Hoke deserves no comments

Harbaugh had his work cut out for him, but he delivered in a big way. He got the leash he needed to right the ship and that's exactly what he did. The transition to Moore seems to be going well and I'm expecting some growing pains this year and some big time success in 26. Losing their 5* freshman LT for the season sucks this year, but things are shaping up for some great teams.

Seems to me they loved that guy for a few reasons. #1. He just pissed everyone else off. #2. He knows what he's doing as a coach. He could have stayed there forever. There might have been some of these new money dopes calling for his job three years in and no titles, but all the blue blood, old school guys were going to let him stay for as long as he wanted.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

I used to enjoy this thread

You a big ND fan and miss all the updates that were bumping this thread prior to the drama?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I used to enjoy this thread

You a big ND fan and miss all the updates that were bumping this thread prior to the drama?

Gawd, no. But it seems that was just the prelude

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

I'm sure i have a graveyard of broken remotes somewhere from those days.

Carr struggled mightily in big games his final years and ofcourse App St happened, but there was still a pretty high standard and a culture firmly in place. RR never really made sense as a hire imo. Run the ball and play great D wasn't his style yet that's what everyone still wanted and when there wasn't instant success his days were numbered. I remember thinking I'd seen enough when he was let go, but if he had another year or 2 who knows, maybe there could have been a spark.

Hoke deserves no comments

Harbaugh had his work cut out for him, but he delivered in a big way. He got the leash he needed to right the ship and that's exactly what he did. The transition to Moore seems to be going well and I'm expecting some growing pains this year and some big time success in 26. Losing their 5* freshman LT for the season sucks this year, but things are shaping up for some great teams.

Seems to me they loved that guy for a few reasons. #1. He just pissed everyone else off. #2. He knows what he's doing as a coach. He could have stayed there forever. There might have been some of these new money dopes calling for his job three years in and no titles, but all the blue blood, old school guys were going to let him stay for as long as he wanted.

100%. Nobody i knew was calling for his head. He was everything we wanted, eccentricities and all.

Remember kids, drink your milk and chickens are a nervous bird.

 

[msudaisy26]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

I'm sure i have a graveyard of broken remotes somewhere from those days.

Carr struggled mightily in big games his final years and ofcourse App St happened, but there was still a pretty high standard and a culture firmly in place. RR never really made sense as a hire imo. Run the ball and play great D wasn't his style yet that's what everyone still wanted and when there wasn't instant success his days were numbered. I remember thinking I'd seen enough when he was let go, but if he had another year or 2 who knows, maybe there could have been a spark.

Hoke deserves no comments

Harbaugh had his work cut out for him, but he delivered in a big way. He got the leash he needed to right the ship and that's exactly what he did. The transition to Moore seems to be going well and I'm expecting some growing pains this year and some big time success in 26. Losing their 5* freshman LT for the season sucks this year, but things are shaping up for some great teams.

Seems to me they loved that guy for a few reasons. #1. He just pissed everyone else off. #2. He knows what he's doing as a coach. He could have stayed there forever. There might have been some of these new money dopes calling for his job three years in and no titles, but all the blue blood, old school guys were going to let him stay for as long as he wanted.

100%. Nobody i knew was calling for his head. He was everything we wanted, eccentricities and all.

Remember kids, drink your milk and chickens are a nervous bird.

Then you weren't paying attention. Just Google if Harbaugh was on the hot seat at Michigan in 2021. You will get a dozen articles from CBS, ESPN, beat writers, Sports Illstrated etc.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

I used to enjoy this thread

You a big ND fan and miss all the updates that were bumping this thread prior to the drama?

Gawd, no. But it seems that was just the prelude

Just kidding GB

 

[kupcho1]

all the blue blood, old school guys

Blue bloods? At Michigan?

You must be defining the term w/r/t the team colors.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

I'm sure i have a graveyard of broken remotes somewhere from those days.

Carr struggled mightily in big games his final years and ofcourse App St happened, but there was still a pretty high standard and a culture firmly in place. RR never really made sense as a hire imo. Run the ball and play great D wasn't his style yet that's what everyone still wanted and when there wasn't instant success his days were numbered. I remember thinking I'd seen enough when he was let go, but if he had another year or 2 who knows, maybe there could have been a spark.

Hoke deserves no comments

Harbaugh had his work cut out for him, but he delivered in a big way. He got the leash he needed to right the ship and that's exactly what he did. The transition to Moore seems to be going well and I'm expecting some growing pains this year and some big time success in 26. Losing their 5* freshman LT for the season sucks this year, but things are shaping up for some great teams.

Seems to me they loved that guy for a few reasons. #1. He just pissed everyone else off. #2. He knows what he's doing as a coach. He could have stayed there forever. There might have been some of these new money dopes calling for his job three years in and no titles, but all the blue blood, old school guys were going to let him stay for as long as he wanted.

100%. Nobody i knew was calling for his head. He was everything we wanted, eccentricities and all.

Remember kids, drink your milk and chickens are a nervous bird.

Then you weren't paying attention. Just Google if Harbaugh was on the hot seat at Michigan in 2021. You will get a dozen articles from CBS, ESPN, beat writers, Sports Illstrated etc.

I'll just take your word for it.

There's like 3 or 4 of us having these Michigan is the devil conversations. If I'm reading the room everybody else would like for it to take a back seat to the upcoming season. The week of Oct 25 seems a good time to resume this if necessary.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

I'm sure i have a graveyard of broken remotes somewhere from those days.

Carr struggled mightily in big games his final years and ofcourse App St happened, but there was still a pretty high standard and a culture firmly in place. RR never really made sense as a hire imo. Run the ball and play great D wasn't his style yet that's what everyone still wanted and when there wasn't instant success his days were numbered. I remember thinking I'd seen enough when he was let go, but if he had another year or 2 who knows, maybe there could have been a spark.

Hoke deserves no comments

Harbaugh had his work cut out for him, but he delivered in a big way. He got the leash he needed to right the ship and that's exactly what he did. The transition to Moore seems to be going well and I'm expecting some growing pains this year and some big time success in 26. Losing their 5* freshman LT for the season sucks this year, but things are shaping up for some great teams.

Seems to me they loved that guy for a few reasons. #1. He just pissed everyone else off. #2. He knows what he's doing as a coach. He could have stayed there forever. There might have been some of these new money dopes calling for his job three years in and no titles, but all the blue blood, old school guys were going to let him stay for as long as he wanted.

100%. Nobody i knew was calling for his head. He was everything we wanted, eccentricities and all.

Remember kids, drink your milk and chickens are a nervous bird.

This is my dad's assertion too. The people in the room loved him. He was staying however long he wanted. Clickbait/traffic driven media didn't really matter. And I get it for those outlets. Typically when a coach has a bad year, a lot of teams immediately start calling for his head. Happens all the time. Probably the dumbest thing I've observed ever in sports (outside the NCAA as an organization).

 

[Sparky Polastri]

all the blue blood, old school guys

Blue bloods? At Michigan?

You must be defining the term w/r/t the team colors.

Sorry. To be clear, I meant those pulling the most weight within the program from boosters to former players/coaches. Those that have been part of the program for decades. All those "Michigan Man" guys.

 

[msudaisy26]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

I'm sure i have a graveyard of broken remotes somewhere from those days.

Carr struggled mightily in big games his final years and ofcourse App St happened, but there was still a pretty high standard and a culture firmly in place. RR never really made sense as a hire imo. Run the ball and play great D wasn't his style yet that's what everyone still wanted and when there wasn't instant success his days were numbered. I remember thinking I'd seen enough when he was let go, but if he had another year or 2 who knows, maybe there could have been a spark.

Hoke deserves no comments

Harbaugh had his work cut out for him, but he delivered in a big way. He got the leash he needed to right the ship and that's exactly what he did. The transition to Moore seems to be going well and I'm expecting some growing pains this year and some big time success in 26. Losing their 5* freshman LT for the season sucks this year, but things are shaping up for some great teams.

Seems to me they loved that guy for a few reasons. #1. He just pissed everyone else off. #2. He knows what he's doing as a coach. He could have stayed there forever. There might have been some of these new money dopes calling for his job three years in and no titles, but all the blue blood, old school guys were going to let him stay for as long as he wanted.

100%. Nobody i knew was calling for his head. He was everything we wanted, eccentricities and all.

Remember kids, drink your milk and chickens are a nervous bird.

Then you weren't paying attention. Just Google if Harbaugh was on the hot seat at Michigan in 2021. You will get a dozen articles from CBS, ESPN, beat writers, Sports Illstrated etc.

I'll just take your word for it.

There's like 3 or 4 of us having these Michigan is the devil conversations. If I'm reading the room everybody else would like for it to take a back seat to the upcoming season. The week of Oct 25 seems a good time to resume this if necessary.

Sure, but I doubt will care about two crappy teams playing that day unless they surprise us this season.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

the Rodriguez/Hoke era

Please limit mentions of this yuck.

Sorry...just working with the given parameters. It was a terrible stretch. At one point Hoke had 10 scholarship players during that transition. He did better with RR players than RR did.

I remember those days vividly as my dad struggled not to put his foot through the TV each week.

I'm sure i have a graveyard of broken remotes somewhere from those days.

Carr struggled mightily in big games his final years and ofcourse App St happened, but there was still a pretty high standard and a culture firmly in place. RR never really made sense as a hire imo. Run the ball and play great D wasn't his style yet that's what everyone still wanted and when there wasn't instant success his days were numbered. I remember thinking I'd seen enough when he was let go, but if he had another year or 2 who knows, maybe there could have been a spark.

Hoke deserves no comments

Harbaugh had his work cut out for him, but he delivered in a big way. He got the leash he needed to right the ship and that's exactly what he did. The transition to Moore seems to be going well and I'm expecting some growing pains this year and some big time success in 26. Losing their 5* freshman LT for the season sucks this year, but things are shaping up for some great teams.

Seems to me they loved that guy for a few reasons. #1. He just pissed everyone else off. #2. He knows what he's doing as a coach. He could have stayed there forever. There might have been some of these new money dopes calling for his job three years in and no titles, but all the blue blood, old school guys were going to let him stay for as long as he wanted.

100%. Nobody i knew was calling for his head. He was everything we wanted, eccentricities and all.

Remember kids, drink your milk and chickens are a nervous bird.

Then you weren't paying attention. Just Google if Harbaugh was on the hot seat at Michigan in 2021. You will get a dozen articles from CBS, ESPN, beat writers, Sports Illstrated etc.

I'll just take your word for it.

There's like 3 or 4 of us having these Michigan is the devil conversations. If I'm reading the room everybody else would like for it to take a back seat to the upcoming season. The week of Oct 25 seems a good time to resume this if necessary.

Sure, but I doubt will care about two crappy teams playing that day unless they surprise us this season.

Yeah lol, Michigan vs Michigan St. probably isn't gonna be a ratings bonanza around the country. It's always a fun week for us that live here though.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Can we just move on and get back to discussing what a complete fraud Penn State is?

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Can we just move on and get back to discussing what a complete fraud Penn State is?

I think this is their year though. If I'm picking the NC right now they're it as much as I hate to admit that.

 

[Desert_Power]

Can we just move on and get back to discussing what a complete fraud Penn State is?

I think this is their year though. If I'm picking the NC right now they're it as much as I hate to admit that.

Did they get a new coach?

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Can we just move on and get back to discussing what a complete fraud Penn State is?

I think this is their year though. If I'm picking the NC right now they're it as much as I hate to admit that.

Did they get a new coach?

Hello, exactly

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Can we just move on and get back to discussing what a complete fraud Penn State is?

I think this is their year though. If I'm picking the NC right now they're it as much as I hate to admit that.

Did they get a new coach?

or fix the headcase at QB?

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Can we just move on and get back to discussing what a complete fraud Penn State is?

I think this is their year though. If I'm picking the NC right now they're it as much as I hate to admit that.

Did they get a new coach?

Hello, exactly

Fair lol

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Can we just move on and get back to discussing what a complete fraud Penn State is?

I think this is their year though. If I'm picking the NC right now they're it as much as I hate to admit that.

Did they get a new coach?

or fix the headcase at QB?

What's your knock on Allar? If they're gonna live up to expectations a whole lot is riding on his shoulders.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Can we just move on and get back to discussing what a complete fraud Penn State is?

I think this is their year though. If I'm picking the NC right now they're it as much as I hate to admit that.

Did they get a new coach?

or fix the headcase at QB?

What's your knock on Allar? If they're gonna live up to expectations a whole lot is riding on his shoulders.

He seems to shrink in pressure situations. There have been a few times he hasn't, but more often than not he has. He's a senior right? All the pundits are still talking about his potential.

 

[General Malaise]

"No offense but....."

I thought twice about leading with that, but went with it regardless of how it might be misinterpreted. I'm sorry I caused offense. That was not my intent.

We both watched them play in 2023. If you think they cheated in dominating Penn State without attempting a forward pass in the 2nd half, there is no changing your mind.

If you think cheating is how they best Ohio State and Alabama, I'm not changing your mind.

And if you watched them beat the brakes off Washington and think that game was tainted, there is no changing your mind.

Here's a thought: both things can be true.

1. Michigan dominated Penn State and bested Ohio State & Alabama.
2. They also cheated.

Please note that I did not say "They also cheated to do so." I don't think I've stated anywhere in this thread that the only reason Michigan won games in 2023 was because they cheated (which is what you seem to be implying above; if that's not the case, disregard). I could be mistaken, although I went back through the last few pages and didn't see any such statement. I'm sure if I did, someone will find and quote it.

And there is no changing your mind because it is full of bias. Not a knock or anything, but your bias stinks as bad as your "takes".

Regarding my "bias", that's just a weak argument a fan or casual observer can throw up against anyone that's not a fan of the team in question. To be clear, I won't call you biased when you go off on something Washington or Oregon St. does. I might look at your argument with a bit of skepticism, but I won't disregard it out of hand on arrival.

And if my "take" that Michigan's cheating makes their national championship* a hollow victory, I can live with that.

Oh, I'm not offended. This is the college football thread where emotions run higher than intellect. Why? Because we are fans.
The disdain for Michigan in this thread is palpable. You may be neutral vis a vis rooting interests but you've made your opinion on Michigan clear in here more than once. I'm here to counterbalance that, also as a neutral party.

The investigation is over. Blessedly. On to football.