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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (41 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah game was over but that was a pitiful display
no heart, they don't want to play for this #######
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
William Clay Ford Sr
334-457-15 in 53 years as Chief Executive (last 50 as sole owner; minority partner 1961-63)
Martha Firestone Ford
45-50-1 in 6 years as Chief Executive
Sheila Ford Hamp
3-5- in 0.5 years as Chief Executive
1-12 in the playoffs
discounting the 24-16-2 when WCF was the minority owner and the 17-21-4 they went in the first 3 years he was owner, the overall record is 352-486-10 in my Lions fantime.
.421 winning percentage
496 times they have disappointed me
and I still root harder for them anyone around
There is something seriously wrong with me.
334-457-15 in 53 years as Chief Executive (last 50 as sole owner; minority partner 1961-63)
Martha Firestone Ford
45-50-1 in 6 years as Chief Executive
Sheila Ford Hamp
3-5- in 0.5 years as Chief Executive
1-12 in the playoffs
discounting the 24-16-2 when WCF was the minority owner and the 17-21-4 they went in the first 3 years he was owner, the overall record is 352-486-10 in my Lions fantime.
.421 winning percentage
496 times they have disappointed me
and I still root harder for them anyone around
There is something seriously wrong with me.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I was actually excited for the game yesterday. got up at 7am. worked out, walked the dog, raked leaves all in the AM. Took a shower and settled in to watch the game. When it was 7-7 and the Lions sacked Rivers on 3rd down to take them out of FG range I jumped up out of my chair..then I see FLAG. 15 yards roughness penalty and a first down. 2-3 plays later Colts score and I knew the game was going south.BobbyLayne said:
Stafford even though he had passing yards never looked comfortable and threw some bad passes for a 12 year vet including the pick 6. Not sure what he saw there. Running game again was non existent. They draft RBs, sign old RBs and draft O-Lineman every year but things never change.
Say what you want about Rivers. Rivers is old, Rivers is slow, Rivers has a weak arm. One thing about Rivers he knows how to manage and run a game and where to put the ball. If he had Stafford`s arm and physical ability he probably would have been an all time great.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Mike Zimmer always seemed like a good guy and a good coach. His life is football, especially after he lost his wife. Seems Minnesota nice, right?
Which makes this story really odd. But high performing athletes are really good at finding ways to light a fire inside themselves, so I guess Everson Griffin needed some fuel to get himself fired up for his first game as a Detroit Lion.
Which makes this story really odd. But high performing athletes are really good at finding ways to light a fire inside themselves, so I guess Everson Griffin needed some fuel to get himself fired up for his first game as a Detroit Lion.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Done.. After every loss Patricia says "Give whoever credit they played a good game"
The game was a disaster. On Cooks long TD run Lions only had 10 players on the field. On another play they only had 10 players on the field.
2 blocked punts and the Vikings not trying to score late and it could have been 41-14.
Stafford again making boneheaded decisons in the red zone. I have come to realize Stafford is just a middle of the pack type of QB, a guy who can look great one week and just as bad the next week. In his 12th season now and still makes stupid mistakes week after week.
Now that Prater is missing FGs the best player on the Lions is the punter.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
This team can’t even lose correctly. Lion’s fan stuck in football purgatory.
Moonlight
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
Next week is a huge game. If they can win that and (obviously) the T'giving Day game v the Texans - they will be 6-5. Split the next four (at CHI, v GB, at TN, v TB) and they are 8-7 with home game versus the Vikings.
9-7 in the playoffs. SUPER BOWL, BABY!
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
"I'm so over it," Kelly Stafford said in a string of Instagram videos earlier on Thursday. "I'm so over living in a dictatorship that we call Michigan. I understand there's a pandemic, and I understand it's very scary. If you feel you are at risk, then do not leave your house until there's a vaccine.
"But, shutting down all these small businesses, things that people have worked their life for, shutting them down again is not the answer, because they will not make it, so once we are able to leave our house, once this dictatorship decides to let us have some freedom, there will be nothing left. I'm just over it.
This is the shack they were quarentined in last spring. It is for sale now.
"But, shutting down all these small businesses, things that people have worked their life for, shutting them down again is not the answer, because they will not make it, so once we are able to leave our house, once this dictatorship decides to let us have some freedom, there will be nothing left. I'm just over it.
This is the shack they were quarentined in last spring. It is for sale now.
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rockaction
Footballguy
The amount of entitled stupidity that spills forth from people regarding the pandemic almost makes it seem like they've never had a life-threatening illness or condition...
Oh, wait.
I think that makes it even more inexcusable.
rockaction
Footballguy
Jesus. The more I think about it the more I realize how entitled and stupid she is. I wonder if she's ever heard of the KGB. Or the Gestapo. Or the Stasi. Like, you know, a real dictatorship that had files and notes on everybody just because they could. And that would use it to their advantage over your life. Politically. Personally. You name it.
Da Guru
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rockaction
Footballguy
Ah, okay. Not so surprising in today's day and age. Perhaps we can arrange for her to take a really nice civics and comparative government class, divided into a half of a year apiece for each section.
God knows I had to sit through it. Can't imagine that someone with a mouth that big and a platform that big could be so small and ignorant.
Da Guru
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Every few months, Kelly Stafford finds herself in the news after popping off on social media. A few years back, she called out and argued with Lions fans for booing the team during a home game. That didn’t end well for her.
Not too long after that, Kelly disappeared from Twitter for awhile. But she still occasionally runs into trouble on Instagram. 2 years ago Kelly posted about selling her Monday Night Football tickets in New Orleans for a big profit. Matt Stafford makes over 25 million a year. Now, to be clear, she has every right to sell her tickets, regardless of how she obtained them. But posting them on Instagram was a bit odd. It was as if she was using her stature as the wife of an NFL quarterback for profit. She could have sold them anonymously on StubHub and no one would have been the wiser.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. You kind of have to wonder. I guess the psychology of having a very, extraordinarily wealthy spouse while you're just along for the ride in that respect must be tough on one's psyche, but jeez. C'mon, Kelly.
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Moonlight
Footballguy
What is her answer for the pandemic? You have to stop the spread of the infection until their is vaccination.
Small business owners are being hit, there was government aid available previously. I do not know enough how it worked. We do need additional stimulus to help those who have lost their job or their business. But Congress is more concerned about political power and so is our leader, the current President.
But who is going to pay for those who become infected and the long haulers who have continual medical issues.
whoknew
Footballguy
In the past year or so, she has had brain surgery, had a baby, had to deal with people thinking her husband had COVID (2x), had to rush a child to the hospital after she fell off a chair onto her head, and now has friends losing their restaurants because of this. Plus, just normal COVID.
The Staffords do a ton for the community - both in MI and in Georgia. They seem like very good, giving people.
Because of that, I am going to cut her some slack on this one. She said something stupid and then apologized. Who hasn't?
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whoknew
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
You would think a person who went through all that health stuff wouldnt deny science and doctors advice.
I wont cut her slack, you can, it appears you think she is "entitled" to some slack.
You can talk about how they seem, we can read her tweets to know how she is.
Ok
BoerumHill
Footballguy
No way. Where do you see two wins on their remaining schedule? Absent naming an interim. They don’t want to play for this guy.
Panthers came in having lost 5 straight, fresh off giving up 46 points. They had forced two punts (2!) total in the previous four games, opponents were averaging 493.5 yards per game. Lions put up 185 yards (about 1/3rd in garbage time) and their first 8 possessions were 6 punts, a fumble and a merciful kneel down at the end of the first half. On the year they were giving up 4.8 yards per rush attempt; Peterson gained a game high 4 on his first carry and that was the highlight.
If you want to feel really sick rewatch the game. Carolina consistently has 6 in the box, Lions had 7 men blocking - stuffed all day.
How many Monday’s have we gotten up in the last three years when the Lions weren’t in last or tied for last? Pretty sure you could count it on one hand. If Patricia wins out in 2020 and leads them to 16-0 next year, he’d still be a half game short of Jim “9-7 ain’t good enough” Caldwell.
On the plus side, Watson is my fantasy QB. Always great to start the week with 35 points going into the weekend.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
BoerumHill
Footballguy
37.12, plus another 14.90 from the Hockenator.BoerumHill said:
Opp? 5 from Prater and 3 from Zeke (worst game of the year.) 71% win probability. Woot.
This team...no heart. Good start, first sign of trouble they panic. Since climbing back to .500 the Lions have been blown out by Indianapolis, blown out by Minnesota, needed a 59-yard buzzer-beater to survive blowing a 21-point lead against Washington, then got shut out by the Panthers (who had lost five straight) and were nuked by a Texans team that’s been so bad they already canned their coach and general manager.
The SFH mandate last June was play meaningful games in December. They’re 4-7, in last place entering the final month of the year, for the third straight year. She knows what she has to do. No reason to wait.
BoerumHill
Footballguy
SFH
What a miserable way to spend your holiday.
Fans need to hear from her. Now. Not once a year.
”This is B.S., we need to fix this. Brayden Coombs will be the interim HC while we conduct a search.”
Spend whatever it takes to get Bieniemy (if he’s smart he’ll take the Texans job, more pieces in place.) Go nuts and buy out Lincoln Riley’s poison pill. Do something.
Who else thinks they won’t address this until January? Would be very un-Ford like to make an emotional, quick decision.
What a miserable way to spend your holiday.
Fans need to hear from her. Now. Not once a year.
”This is B.S., we need to fix this. Brayden Coombs will be the interim HC while we conduct a search.”
Spend whatever it takes to get Bieniemy (if he’s smart he’ll take the Texans job, more pieces in place.) Go nuts and buy out Lincoln Riley’s poison pill. Do something.
Who else thinks they won’t address this until January? Would be very un-Ford like to make an emotional, quick decision.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Bieniemy deserves a HC shot. But who in the heck would want to be in Detroit? It is a death sentence to any coach. So unless you want a money grab you pass. Why Bieniemy has not got a look is beyond me, but for his sake I hope he passes if he is given the chance to coach Detroit.
BoerumHill
Footballguy
Given the choice - and EB will be THE hot candidate this offseason - why would anyone choose Stafford over Watson? The Texans have some pieces in place. BOB mortgaged their future for bubkis, they’re short a few picks, but that D is playing well again of late. Lions have so many holes and six plus decades of losing culture. Maybe a better comp is the NYJ, and that rebuild will be quicker than Motown’s with a young, coachable #1 overall pick QB.
It’s not an attractive opportunity. For HC candidates or big name FAs.
Any chance Dan Gilbert could overwhelm them with an offer? QuickenLoans Field / Rocket Mortgage Stadium would be rocking by 2025.
Amazing Detroit is still a four sport city.
Moonlight
Footballguy
From what I've read about Sheila Ford Hamp she has a competitive edge to her much more so than Mom and Dad. I have some hope. I can understand why she didn't jump right in and off Patricia and Quinn from the start.
Definitely both will be gone before next year. Question is should the dismissal occur this week, once the team is eliminated from playoffs or at end of regular season.
What are the advantages/disadvantages?
Definitely both will be gone before next year. Question is should the dismissal occur this week, once the team is eliminated from playoffs or at end of regular season.
What are the advantages/disadvantages?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I was watching the NFL Network last week and not so sure about Bieniemy. There is no doubt he has to be better than Patricia but Andy Reid is the one who put the offense in, designs all the plays, and wait they do have the best QB in the NFL right now.
The Lions are a team void of talent at every position. Stafford is getting old and regressing. They only have a handful of decent young players. Quinns drafts have been a total disaster.
#3 overall pick Jeff Okuda is grading out as one the worst CBs in the NFL this season.
Quinn traded up to draft ML Tavai in the second rd. Tavai had a late 5th rd projection and now is the worst starting LB in the NFL. DJ Metcalf was picked right after Tavai.
Right now they need another total rebuild.
BoerumHill
Footballguy
Today would be good."
l haven’t lived in state in 20+ years and I loathe Detroit sports radio so I probably don’t have as good a sense of the room temperature as some of you guys. But I feel like this is one of those moments where the Fords (SFH being the current embodiment of the family dynasty) has to step down off the veranda and let fans know they feel the pain, too. Let everyone know this not acceptable performance. Inject a too often absent sense of urgency.
Not taking action feels like the subtext is “we’re OK with this.”
Easy counter argument:
Same as Day One, 57 straight years.
Sure. Humor me. Pretend we root for a franchise that intends to make things better
Same as Day One, 57 straight years.
Sure. Humor me. Pretend we root for a franchise that intends to make things better
BoerumHill
Footballguy
Reid is a phenomenal administrator. Not sexy talk but top to bottom, every aspect, nothing is missed, everything is intentional.
Sort of like in military planning, logistics is everything. Detail oriented guys are the bomb.
Reid on whether Bieniemy, in his 15th year as a coach (3rd as OC), is ready for the next level:
“I’d say hire him, like right now. That’s what I’d tell you. I don’t want to lose him, but if you’re asking me if he’s ready to be a head coach? Yeah, he’s ready. He was ready last year. Nobody is in more control than what he is within this game. He is a leader of men. He knows football, but he knows the offense like the back of his hand. He is in the quarterback room every day. I think if you talked to Patrick, I think Patrick would tell you how much of an influence he has had on him.”
Da Guru
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There is no doubt he has to be better than Patrcia but without the right GM he won`t succeed. The next GM hire will be the key for any coach to have success here. And right now they are looking at a total rebuild again so it won`t happen overnight.
Moonlight
Footballguy
I really like your thoughts on this. It would be connecting with fans and saying things need to change. Urgency has never been the Ford way and that they are above it all to show that urgency.
If not this week, then second choice to fire them would be to do it immediately after team is eliminated from playoff hunt.
Tornacl
Footballguy
I've been saying this for a while. Picking a good GM is more important for this team than the head coach. This team is always at or near the bottom in both talent evaluation and player development - a deadly combination. For a team that has picked in the top 10 constantly in the past 20 years, they've whiffed on those picks more than they've hit, and that's in the 1st round! They should be getting Hall of Famers and All Pros, and they've been lucky to get consistent starters. (I realize this goes back farther than Quinn/Patricia.)
And when they have drafted players, on more than one occasion the player failed to do anything in Detroit, only to become a solid player elsewhere (Kyle Van Noy - I'm looking at you.)
I believe the Fords should hire an ACTUAL "football mind" to take over all team functions. And their first order of battle should be to hire someone out of the Ravens' or Steelers' front offices to be the GM. Why the Ravens or Steelers? Because those teams own the draft every year. They obviously know how to evaluate talent. Let that GM hire the coach he wants. Whoever is the head of scouting or Assistant GM, that's where I'd look.
I really liked the IDEA of hiring Quinn and Patricia, as before that the Lions always hired someone from in house, except for Matt Millen. The idea of hiring people from an incredibly successful organization was the right idea. The problem is that the Patriots' success is due to Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. But like many other organizations, they've learned the hard way that the success doesn't usually transfer over.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes agree. The Lions are perennially bottom five in the league in talent. I remember that 0-16 season when they only had two players on the roster that would have started for any other team, one was Megatron and the other was a kicker. The coaching staff really doesn't matter when you are merely the 3rd or 4th best team in the NFC North in talent.
And it just seems like when they do finally get a few good players on the roster, they either get hurt or the schedule does them no favors.
Also the Patriots way philosophy and everything that went along with it, was due to Tom Brady being the cornerstone. Sorry to fans of their coaching staff, but none of that works unless Tom is QB for the only team in the AFC East with a franchise QB for two entire decades.
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Da Guru
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I agree. Successful teams usually have one thing in common. A GM who restocks and builds depth and a star QB. Then a good coach. Flip flop that and you can`t win.
Right now I believe that Sheila Ford has no idea what to do or who to put in place if she fires Quinntricia. Team president Rod Wood is useless as he stated himself he knows very little about football, so she really has no sounding board with any kind of expertise.
Rod Wood needs to be fired or put in a different role, Wood is a financial advisor and not a football guy. Lions need to start at the top to clean house. In order replace Wood, Quinn then find a HC.
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Tornacl
Footballguy
So who would be the best "football guy" to hire to take over all team activities? President of Football Operations?
I'd be looking for a former GM who was good at building teams, managing the salary cap, etc. I'd give a blank check to Ozzie Newsome, but I think he's too smart to take that job. Mike Holmgren would be a good choice. He wasn't great as a combo coach/GM, but I think that is too much for any one person these days. Jimmy Johnson is another name.
I realize these are all "big names," partly because I really don't know that many people in the GM pool, and partly because I think it needs to be someone who has a strong knowledge of the NFL, and a good reputation for dealing with the other teams. I wouldn't be looking for them to be the GM, but it sure would be nice to have someone pick the next GM who knows what he/she should be looking for. Having the ability to talk to other teams and identify good candidates waiting for their opportunity would be nice. It would also be nice for someone other than the Ford family to be the one to pull the trigger when a change is needed. I want the person making those types of decisions to be a fiery competitor, where continuing to lose without any sort of improvement will not be tolerated.
Da Guru
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Really do not want old guys who have been out of the game. Newsome would be a great choice but I doubt he would come back for a situation like the Lions.
To me Tony Dungy was overated. Did not win until he had Peyton Manning, but everybody won with Peyton. Remember Jim Caldwell was 14-2 with Payton, 2-14 the next year when he was hurt.
One young guy I really like is Louis Riddick. Been a player, even though he is now a broadcaster unlike Matt Millen Riddick has 10 years of front office experience. Riddick knows the game today and knows the players. Would like to see him as team presdient or GM.
Tornacl
Footballguy
I don't want the old guys to BE the GM, I want one of them picking the GM, and deciding when the GM/coach need to go.
Da Guru
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BoerumHill
Footballguy
