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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (33 Viewers)

Going to need some GRIT this week. So many injuries and Seahawks demolished the Lions last year. Opportunities for Cephus, Kennedy and Hockenson to come through. Maybe James Mitchell gets some play this week. Lions poor defense needs to contribute.

Sure would like to have that Vikes game back.
 
Leroy Hoard said:
A lot of work to be done, mainly on defense.
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We badly need talent on all 3 levels, especially in the back 7. Rodrigo has been great and Tracy Walker was solid before being hurt. Okudah had been very good. But we need another LB, a safety, and at least one corner. Hopefully Jerry Jacobs will build on last year. Hutchinson has not done much but he doesn't have much help up front. Charles Harris is bad against the run and his pass rushing has not been nearly as good as last year. Alim McNeil has been very good but none of the other defensive tackles has done anything. So I see 4 or 5 starters at a minimum that we need.
 
A prominent analyst I forget who predicted Lions would have worst defense in NFL this year. I thought that strange with drafting Hutch, getting several defensive players back from injury, Rodrigo's good early showing and another year for Glenn to bring things together suggesting improvement. They gave up the second most most points last year, how could they be worse?

Anyway the glass being half full the offense will likely be leading the league in points scored. That is a dramatic change based on what we saw last year.
 
Da Guru said:
Glenn came into this season thinking about getting interviews to be a HC, the way things are going he will be lucky to be retained and possibly fired.

I was at the game and and have concerns about Hutch. I zeroed him on him and he was getting pushed around pretty good.

Hutch is 6-7 and listed at 265, but looks skinny out there.
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Glenn has not done a good job. I feel for him a bit because they aren't getting any pass rush, they can't cover, and they can't tackle. Some of it is coaching but they definitely need more talent. But a lot of the miscommunications, namely in the secondary, are on the coaches.
 
Chaka said:
Leroy Hoard said:
A lot of work to be done, mainly on defense.
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Honest question: Is the defense entirely devoid of talent or is Aaron Glenn just not a very good coordinator?
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Both, need more talent but very questionable calls. Even on the NFL Network they thought some calls were very risky.

But that is who DC and Glenn are so far. Risk-reward.

DCs call for fake punt that led to a score was lucky as Q was blanketed and came back to the ball. It was not open.
 
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Da Guru said:
Chaka said:
Leroy Hoard said:
A lot of work to be done, mainly on defense.
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Honest question: Is the defense entirely devoid of talent or is Aaron Glenn just not a very good coordinator?
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Both, need more talent but very questionable calls. Even on the NFL Network they thought some calls were very risky.

But that is they was DC and Glenn are.

DCs call for fake punt that led to a score was lucky as Q was blanketed and came back to the ball. It was not open.
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The Lions awful defense requires risky calls such as that fake punt.
 
Leroy Hoard said:
Da Guru said:
Chaka said:
Leroy Hoard said:
A lot of work to be done, mainly on defense.
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Honest question: Is the defense entirely devoid of talent or is Aaron Glenn just not a very good coordinator?
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Both, need more talent but very questionable calls. Even on the NFL Network they thought some calls were very risky.

But that is they was DC and Glenn are.

DCs call for fake punt that led to a score was lucky as Q was blanketed and came back to the ball. It was not open.
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The Lions awful defense requires risky calls such as that fake punt.
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It does, but it was not there. The way it was covered Lions got lucky as the cover man was not fooled at all.

The Lions do these thing so much under DC pretty sure it will not be a surprise.
 
At least they are a fun team to watch. Still have the frustration but it's exciting football. That's not something I've been able to use to describe the Lions since Barry was on the field. Now the D needs a total rework. Glenn's got to be on the hot seat right now but there isn't a ton of talent out there to work with.
 
Cominsky made a difference on that DL. Want to see what what happens when both he and Pascal are playing.

Lion OL gave Goff good protection and Goff shows some ability to evade rush. But at least once a game Goff throws into triple coverage.
 
What a terrible defense. I guess we don't have to worry too much about Aaron Glenn being poached.

Also - I love Hutchinson but besides that Washington game he's been ... shaky. At best. Too soon to panic but not great.
 
I think the new attacking scheme has left the defense vulnerable to misdirection plays and play action. How many times did they bite on play action and watch a Seattle TE catch a pass in the flat and get tackled 10 yards downfield. I don't know if it's the scheme itself or the players not being disciplined or both. They miss so many tackles. Part of it is a lack of talent but I think some of it is players being out of position. Regardless they need to do something. Today was a ****ing joke.
 
@DetroitOnLion

The #Lions have given up 141 points through 4 games.

That's tied for the 17th most in NFL history through the first 4 games of the season (per @Stathead, going back to 1940)
 
BobbyLayne said:
@DetroitOnLion

The #Lions have given up 141 points through 4 games.

That's tied for the 17th most in NFL history through the first 4 games of the season (per @Stathead, going back to 1940)
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On the other side:

The Lions are only the 30th team in the Super Bowl era to score 140 points or more through their first four games.

The previous 29 teams were a combined 109-7 (.940); the Lions are the only team of the bunch to have a losing record.
 
Put £10 on a 10 bet parlay yesterday which would have returned £2500

Hockenson TD
Williams TD
Penny TD
Reynolds over 50 yards receiving
Penny over 59 yards rushing
Williams over 50 yard rushing
Goff over 1.5 TDs
Geno over 1.5 TDs
Both teams combined over 2.5 field goals
Combined total points to be under 67.5


Yeah. Just that last one. Hurts ! Figured with a lot of our O out we might struggle a bit more and hoped the D would do something. Anything.
 
TartanLion said:
Put £10 on a 10 bet parlay yesterday which would have returned £2500

Hockenson TD
Williams TD
Penny TD
Reynolds over 50 yards receiving
Penny over 59 yards rushing
Williams over 50 yard rushing
Goff over 1.5 TDs
Geno over 1.5 TDs
Both teams combined over 2.5 field goals
Combined total points to be under 67.5


Yeah. Just that last one. Hurts ! Figured with a lot of our O out we might struggle a bit more and hoped the D would do something. Anything.
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I hate to be critical at a time like this, but you followed up 9 straight bets on the offenses with one that needed at least a little defense. Great job by you right up to the final one.
 
Leroy Hoard said:
TartanLion said:
Put £10 on a 10 bet parlay yesterday which would have returned £2500

Hockenson TD
Williams TD
Penny TD
Reynolds over 50 yards receiving
Penny over 59 yards rushing
Williams over 50 yard rushing
Goff over 1.5 TDs
Geno over 1.5 TDs
Both teams combined over 2.5 field goals
Combined total points to be under 67.5


Yeah. Just that last one. Hurts ! Figured with a lot of our O out we might struggle a bit more and hoped the D would do something. Anything.
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I hate to be critical at a time like this, but you followed up 9 straight bets on the offenses with one that needed at least a little defense. Great job by you right up to the final one.
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I completely agree. I spent 20 mins plus trying to work out whether to add that last one and fell for the trap as it dramatically increased the odds. Just felt there was a fair chance of a 30 something 20 something scoreline. If I don’t add it I get £1250
 
whoknew said:
What a terrible defense. I guess we don't have to worry too much about Aaron Glenn being poached.

Also - I love Hutchinson but besides that Washington game he's been ... shaky. At best. Too soon to panic but not great.
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I agree. Hutch basically has had one good half.

What I noticed yesterday is Hutch is having problem when he tries to bull rush, the NFL tackles are smarter and old man strong and seem to dominate him physically. In the Washington game the sacks came from stunts, and when he was pushed outside but used his quickness to get back in the play.

Goff for the most part is playing pretty good. Goff is tied for NFL lead in TD passes and third in passing yards. The pick 6 was a bad throw but Stafford still does that too. Goff knows that they have to score a lot of points to have a chance and has to take some chances. This team would be no better with Stafford.
 
Zeppelin said:
BobbyLayne said:
@DetroitOnLion

The #Lions have given up 141 points through 4 games.

That's tied for the 17th most in NFL history through the first 4 games of the season (per @Stathead, going back to 1940)
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On the other side:

The Lions are only the 30th team in the Super Bowl era to score 140 points or more through their first four games.

The previous 29 teams were a combined 109-7 (.940); the Lions are the only team of the bunch to have a losing record.
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Offensively we're doing some impressive things, beyond leading the league in total yards, passing TDs, total TDs and scoring.
  • 2nd lowest sack percentage (3.2%), OL has given up only 5 sacks
  • 5th lowest turnover percentage on offense
  • 0 fumbles by the RBs, Goff has 1 (recovered) - the only lost fumble by the offense has been Raymond's after the 21 yarder yesterday
  • 3 interceptions is not bad (11th interception %)
Of course the counterargument is the 2 pick sixes costs us two wins. In theory.

It's hard for me to lay too much blame for the losses on Jared, he's not the problem. The week 1 pick 6 was a miscommunication between him and TJ, he had the last minute desperation heave vs the Vikings, and got baited by a very fast DB yesterday for another pick six. Devastating results.

You could also argue he should have had a 3 interception game versus Seattle; triple coverage vs Raymond, no business making that one, and IIRC there were a few other dropped INTs. But I'm not that concerned about his decision making because on the whole he's done well this season. The offense put up 45 points with a WR corps of Josh Reynolds, Tom Kennedy (good game), Kalif Raymond and Quintez Cephus. Again, the offense is the reason they're in every game - Goff is not the issue, at all. We all know why they've lost 3 out of 4.

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Defensively, lead the league in blitzing (56), 3rd in Hurries, 6th in Pressures, 8th in QB Hits, 10th in QB Knockdowns, and somehow only 7 sacks - only 3 teams have fewer. 9th most missed tackles. 9th most penalties (aside - offensive penalties are middle of the pack.)

Schematically, we seem to be at a huge disadvantage.

3rd most rushing yards allowed (662), last in Rushing TDs (10 - next worst is 7), last in YPC (5.6.) Last in expected points contributed by rushing defense by a country mile.

3rd most passing yards allowed (1117), 1 interception on the year, only the NYG have zero - percentage wise, 29th. 3 turnovers on the year, only the Commanders (1) are worse.

Last in yards allowed. 19 TDs against isn't just 32nd - the next highest is 13.

3rd down conversion % is dead last (52.8%), same as the RZ Defense (13/15, 86.7%.)

Patricia's last two years the defense was the worst in the history of the franchise. It's hard to say we made much progress last year but at least we had a chance of winning. This defense is literally the worst I have ever seen. They can't do anything right - can't stop the run, make mediocre QBs look like Pro Bowlers. Two guys are balling out (Rodrigo and for the most part Okudah), the rookie savior - who is clearly hurt and probably needs time off - has one good half out of 8.
 
281 combined points through 4 games - NFL record

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After the Seahawks got a second shot at third-and-16 from Detroit's 36 thanks to a clock gaffe in the third quarter, they were hardly surprised when the Lions and defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn came with an all-out blitz. The surprise was for the Lions when Seattle ran a draw and Penny took it to the house. It put the Seahawks up 38-23.

"It wasn’t the play call, but we alerted it because we knew what defense they were going to run on third down because our coaches do an amazing job of just preparing us for those moments," Penny said. "That was just one of our alerts and once we saw that they were in that kind of defense, it was kind of a no-brainer."
Glenn's defense is built on generating pressure. The Lions switched schemes this year to be more aggressive at the point of attack. It works when their D-linemen get off blocks and make plays in the backfield, like they did against the Commanders in Week 2. It backfires when they either over-pursue or fail to get a push at all. The Seahawks used the Lions' aggressiveness against them on third-and-16 and Penny had a clear path to the end zone.

"That’s just what they do on defense," Penny said. "That’s the game plan for us. Been watching that on film, that on third and long, they’re going to play that, so just anticipated it."

The Lions had another chance to stop Penny on an even bigger third down, trailing by three with a little over two minutes remaining. This time, Seattle needed five yards and Detroit rushed seven. It was another draw to Penny, who said he intended to run up the middle but bounced it outside when he saw that linebacker Chris Board had lost contain on the edge. 41 yards later, Penny was in the end zone, barely grazed by Detroit's defense.

"We just take advantage of the bad looks the defense shows us," Penny said.
 
Week 4 snap counts & grades

Offense

Quarterbacks: B
Jared Goff: 74 (100% of offensive snaps)

Jared Goff had his best statistical performance as a member of the Detroit Lions, throwing for 378 yards and four touchdowns in the loss. However, he threw an untimely pick-six on the first snap of the second half that played a factor in the team’s three-point loss.

Aside from the crucial mistake, the signal-caller remained consistent and had his moments. He did put the ball in harm’s way a handful of times, including a pass that was dropped by a Seattle defender.

Goff’s chemistry with tight end T.J. Hockenson was on full display. Though Hockenson had a slow start to the season, he played a key role in Sunday’s game, and set the new record for receiving yards by a Lions tight end with 179 yards.

With Goff controlling the ship behind center, Detroit battled back into the game, after falling behind by two scores in the first half. The Lions scored touchdowns on each of their last four drives, an indication of the firepower that the unit has even without D’Andre Swift, DJ Chark and Amon-Ra St. Brown.

Wide receivers: B
Josh Reynolds: 62 (84%)
Tom Kennedy: 60 (81%)
Kalif Raymond: 38 (51%) — 0 (0%)
Quintez Cephus: 33 (45%)
Maurice Alexander: 2 (3%) — 9 (27%)

With Amon-Ra St. Brown and DJ Chark unable to play, the Lions turned to Kennedy, Cephus, and Raymond to fill the void. Cephus was on track for a much bigger day as a contributor, but a third-quarter injury ended his day prematurely and he was seen leaving the stadium in a walking boot, which is less than ideal considering the team’s current depth.

I left Raymond’s special teams snap counts in the above list—even though he had zero as the team’s primary punt returner—because I wanted to illustrate that the Seahawks did not have to punt a single time on Sunday. Meanwhile, Alexander was the team’s primary kick returner and he returned a ridiculous nine kicks on the day.

Without Chark and St. Brown, the Lions were forced to elevate two receivers from the practice squad. Tom Kennedy and Maurice Alexander both played key roles in Sunday’s game, with Kennedy starting at wideout and Alexander handling kick returns.

Josh Reynolds, Detroit’s lone active regular, hauled in an impressive, contested touchdown catch in the fourth quarter, and notched 81 yards on seven catches. Kennedy was second amongst receivers in yards, with 54 yards (on three receptions).

Kalif Raymond saw his role increase, as he was targeted five times. He left briefly after bringing in a catch over the middle, but returned and finished with three catches. However, he lost a fumble in the second quarter, at the end of a 21-yard reception.

Quintez Cephus had two catches, before leaving the game with a foot injury.

Running backs: B+
Jamaal Williams: 37 (50%)
Craig Reynolds: 24 (32%) — 12 special teams snaps (36%)
Justin Jackson: 9 (12%) — 19 (58%)

Despite only seeing 50 percent of the team’s offensive snaps, Williams was the focal point of the Lions rushing attack, accounting for 19 of their 35 total runs. Reynolds saw just three touches on his 24 reps, while Jackson got four on his nine and turned one of them into a receiving touchdown.

Reynolds’ lack of touches was a bit surprising, considering how productive he was with the ball in his hands. On the day, he rushed for 30 yards on two carries and his single reception went for 12 yards.

Without Swift, Jamaal Williams stepped into the starting running back role. He had a successful day, notching the second-highest rushing yard total of his career with 108 yards.

The biggest highlight of Williams’ day came in the third quarter when he stiff-armed a defender and broke loose for a 51-yard touchdown. He finished with two scores, with the other coming on the final play of the first half.

A downside to Williams’ performance in the passing game were two drops he had on a fourth-quarter drive, though they didn’t prove costly as the Lions finished the possession with a score.

Even without Swift, the Lions got plenty of contributions from its depth. Justin Jackson scored his first touchdown as a member of the Lions, on a 2-yard catch in the fourth quarter.

Tight ends: A
T.J. Hockenson: 65 (88%)
Brock Wright: 24 (32%) — 14 (42%)
James Mitchell: 5 (7%) — 14 (42%)

If it felt like Hockenson was on the field for every down, it’s because he nearly was, only taking nine snaps off. Hockenson had a career day, setting new personal bests with 179 receiving yards, two touchdowns in a single game, and his longest single play (81 yards). No surprise, he is the early leader for this week’s game ball.

Mitchell saw the first snaps of his NFL career but was held off the stats sheet.

Hock had a banner day, setting the Lions’ franchise record for receiving yards by a tight end with 179. Additionally, it was his first multi-touchdown game as a pro, and he became the first tight end in NFL history to total over 150 yards, two receiving touchdowns and a two-point conversion in a single game.

He scored his first touchdown on a wheel route, with the possession set up by a fumble recovery. On the final play of the third quarter, he turned a short pass into a career-long 81-yard reception.

Backup tight end Brock Wright was called for holding in the second quarter.

Offensive line: B-

Tackles
Taylor Decker: 74 (100%)
Penei Sewell: 74 (100%) — 5 (15%)
Matt Nelson: 11 (15%) — 5 (15%)

No surprises here as these numbers closely match what we have seen through the first month of the season.

Guards/Centers
Frank Ragnow: 74 (100%) — 1 (3%)
Dan Skipper: 74 (100%) — 5 (15%)
Evan Brown: 67 (91%) — 4 (12%)
Kayode Awosika: 7 (9%) — 5 (15%)
Logan Stenberg: 0 (0%) — 5 (15%)

Brown was injured late in the game and with the team needing to pass the ball while trailing, they opted for Awoskia to replace him at right guard rather than Stenberg. Stenberg’s pass protection was dreadful through the first two games, but he probably would have been the choice had the Lions needed to run the ball in that scenario.

Still without a pair of starters, the Lions' offense continues to hum. The young offensive line is coming together, and helped keep Goff upright. Detroit allowed just one sack, and paved the way for 145 rushing yards.

Yet, the effort was not without its flaws. Four different players were called for holding. Evan Brown, Penei Sewell, Matt Nelson and Dan Skipper each drew penalties. Sewell was also flagged for a false start.
 
Defense

Defensive line: F

EDGE:
Aidan Hutchinson: 57 (81%) — 9 (27%)
Charles Harris: 55 (79%) — 9 (27%)
Julian Okwara: 20 (29%) — 7 (21%)
Austin Bryant: 13 (19%) — 9 (27%)

These numbers reflect what we have come to expect from the Lions edge players this season. Hutchinson is rarely leaving the field but is also facing loads of double teams, which has impacted his productivity of late.

“Yeah, you know that was a poor defensive performance,” Hutchinson said following the game. “We have to do better. Your offense scores 45, I think, we have to win that game.”

DT:
Alim McNeill: 54 (77%)
Isaiah Buggs: 48 (69%)
Michael Brockers: 30 (43%)
Benito Jones: 18 (26%) — 9 (27%)

McNeill continues to rep at an exceptional rate, and considering he seems to be the only interior player with much production, the Lions need him on the field as much as possible.

“I would say we struggled a lot, but we’re going back into work,” McNeill said in the locker room. “There’s the little things that we are going to fix. AG (defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn) is going to have the game plan for us next week.”

Once again, the Lions' defense was diced by an opponent committed to a punishing run game. The Seahawks rushed for 235 yards, with Rashaad Penny’s 151 yards leading the way.

On two separate occasions, the Lions had Seattle in key third-down situations trailing by a score. Each time, Penny dashed into the end zone for back-breaking scores.

The pass rush was once again non-existent, as the Lions failed to record a sack. Geno Smith scrambled seven times for 49 yards, one of which ended with a 17-yard touchdown.

Individually, Isaiah Buggs was flagged for roughing the passer, and rookie Aidan Hutchinson committed a false start.

Linebackers: D-
Alex Anzalone: 70 (100%) — 9 (27%)
Malcolm Rodriguez: 55 (79%) — 3 (9%)
Derrick Barnes: 23 (33%) — 16 (48%)
Chris Board: 8 (11%) — 28 (85%)
Anthony Pittman: 0 (0%) — 28 (85%)
Josh Woods: 0 (0%) — 19 (58%)

After seeing his snap counts reduced over the past two weeks, Barnes was called upon to fill in for Rodriguez when he had to exit the game due to injury, and when the Lions went to three linebacker sets. Board had been getting reps ahead of Barnes, but it appears he has been relegated to sub-package and special teams roles, as opposed to a base linebacker.

Malcolm Rodriguez made the team’s biggest defensive play when he stripped punt returner Tyler Lockett to set up a touchdown. The rookie finished with 11 tackles, which tied for the team lead, and had a tackle for loss.

Yet, the performance for much of the game from this unit was subpar. Too often, Rodriguez and fellow starter Alex Anzalone fell for play action fakes and the middle of the field was diced by Smith.

Secondary: F

Cornerbacks
Jeff Okudah: 70 (100%)
Amani Oruwariye 62 (89%)
Mike Hughes: 38 (54%) — 9 (27%)
Will Harris: 9 (13%) — 19 (58%)
Bobby Price: 0 (0%) — 28 (85%)
Chase Lucas: 0 (0%) — 16 (48%)

Oruwariye exited the game briefly and was replaced by Harris, but beyond that, the Lions only leaned on their subpackage cornerback sets about half the time as they loaded up with front-seven players in an attempt to stop the run.

Lions let up 143 yards to DK Metcalf and 91 to Tyler Lockett. Metcalf had the big play, getting behind Jeff Okudah for a 51-yard reception to set up a score. Both Okudah and Amani Oruwariye contributed a key pass breakup, but the overall effort was one to forget.

Safety
DeShon Elliott: 70 (100%)
Kerby Joseph: 70 (100%) — 9 (27%)
Ifeatu Melifonwu: 0 (0%) — 8 (24%)
JuJu Hughes: 0 (0%) — 0 (0%)

Last week, when Tracy Walker was injured, the team turned to Hughes to replace him in the starting lineup. But with a week to prepare, it was rookie Joseph who won the starting role and played on every snap. Surprisingly, Hughes not only didn’t see any defensive snaps, but he did not have a special team role either, an area he excelled at in previous weeks.

Smith threw for 320 yards and two scores, both of which were directed at rookie safety Kerby Joseph in his first career start. Joseph hadn’t played a defensive snap in any of Detroit’s first three games and his inexperience showed.

After allowing Dissly to get behind him for the first score, Joseph elected to follow the outside receiver on a goal-line crossing route and allowed Noah Fant to run free into the end zone.

Special teams
Dominik Eberle: 12 (36%)
Jack Fox: 8 (24%)
Scott Daly: 8 (24%)

Daly’s fumble recovery was the first by a Lions long snapper in the last two decades—and probably longer— as Don Muhlbach did not have one in his 17-year career.

Dominik Eberle was called up from the practice squad to replace the injured Austin Seibert and missed his first two extra point attempts. Additionally, the new addition booted a kickoff out of bounds. He did make his only field goal attempt, a 49-yarder.

On the punt side, however, it was a better day. Detroit punted only twice, with Jack Fox averaging 48.5 yards per. His first punt resulted in a fumble that resulted in Hockenson’s first touchdown.

Detroit faked a punt for the first time in 2022, with Fox hitting Cephus for a conversion. It was Fox’s third career completion in four attempts.

Coaching: D+

It truly is a tale of two sides for the Lions through four games. The offense, under coordinator Ben Johnson, leads the league in points scored, and was humming throughout on Sunday. Goff looked comfortable, and Detroit found ways to best utilize the pieces it had, with many key players out with injuries.

On the other side, the defense looks out of sorts under coordinator Aaron Glenn. Quarterback scrambles continue to be an issue, as Smith took advantage of pass rushers who got too eager.

Head coach Dan Campbell was successful in his fake field-goal attempt, which came in the first quarter with the Lions on their own 35-yard line.

Though the Lions' offense worked its way back into the game, Sunday’s showing will be best remembered for what it was -- another three-point loss, in which the defense couldn’t get the key stop.
 
Top PFF-graded offensive players
  • T.J. Hockenson -- 90.6
  • Josh Reynolds -- 84.8
  • Jared Goff -- 74.6
  • Jack Fox -- 70.7 :lmao:
  • Frank Ragnow -- 69.8
  • Quintez Cephus 69.2
Worst PFF-graded offensive players
  • Kalif Raymond -- 51.2
  • Matt Nelson -- 49.5
  • James Mitchell -- 47.8
  • Brock Wright -- 47.6
  • Dan Skipper -- 31.1
Top PFF-graded defensive players
  • Malcolm Rodriguez -- 83.8
  • Charles Harris -- 72.3
  • DeShon Elliott -- 69.8
  • Alim McNeill -- 66.7
  • Kerby Joseph-- 66.5
Worst PFF-graded defensive players
  • Benito Jones -- 41.7
  • Alex Anzalone -- 38.9
  • Amani Oruwariye -- 33.0
  • Isaiah Buggs -- 32.6
  • Julian Okwara -- 27.0
 
Kicker tryouts tomorrow

Lirim Hajrullahu is coming in

Isn’t Rodrigo Blankenship still a FA?

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First Q for DC was what moves they’re contemplating on defense. Said they’re still working through it with Aaron Glenn but they’ll be moving people around.

Working through scheme and personnel. Players are not trusting one another WRT their responsibilities.

Was asked if it’s hard to separate individual respect from tough decisions that might need to be made, i.e., Anthony Lynn last year. “Aaron Glenn gives us our best option.”

Josh Paschal and Jerry Jacobs will start their coming off IR clock (3 week window) Wednesday. Asked about offensive players coming off IR he said Jason Cabinda is the closest to being ready. No mention of Jameson Williams.

Asked about Romeo Okwara, if he might miss the entire season…long pause, shrug: “It’s (needle) not moving; it’s not getting better.”

I misheard this - questions are not miked, hard to hear.

Dan Campbell on Levi Onwuzurike: "That meter's not moving."

That does not sound good.

Talked about the possibility of moving Hutch, possibly moving him further out wide or flipping to the strong (non-blindside.)

As was Friday’s, pretty short presser.
 
Kyle Meinke Tweets fm presser:
  • Dan Campbell says the Lions will try to simplify the defensive play calls this week as well
  • Dan Campbell on his defense: "We're going to need to move some personnel around."
  • Dan Campbell is not messing around today. "We got to get some players we feel like we can rely on, we can trust."
  • Dan Campbell: "I believe that Aaron Glenn is the right man for the job."
Justin Rogers tweets fm presser
  • Asked about Hutchinson playing in a three-point stance vs. a two-point stance. Campbell said it's something they'll consider, but tough to play Hutchinson in a two-point when he's lined up over a TE. From a personnel standpoint, Hutchinson makes sense to strong side vs. C. Harris
  • Campbell said there's a chance both Jerry Jacobs and Josh Paschal start practicing this week, with Cabinda on track to have a shot to come back after the bye. Still nothing on Jameson Williams, Romeo Okwara, Levi Onwuzurike.
  • Campbell said he's still going through the defense with Aaron Glenn, but personnel changes are coming, along with some schematic simplification to calm things down. Not ready to offer specifics.
Dave Birkett tweets fm presser:
  • Dan Campbell said the Lions need to "move some personnel around" on defense, but declined to say that might entail. Said he needs more players he can rely on with FBI - football intelligence
  • Campbell said too many players are trying to cover for too many other players who are doing wrong on the field
  • Dan Campbell: “I believe that Aaron Glenn is the right man for the job” and gives us our best hope on defense.
  • Evan Brown "day to day" with an ankle, but Lions are optimistic. Campbell Cephus "not as optimsitic" but getting an MRI right now.
I read and listen to a ton of Detroit local media. These three are the only level headed sources in town (discounting O’Hara & Twentyman bc they work for the team.) Everybody else is driving clicks/ratings, way too unbalanced bc they’re so emotional.
 
Da Guru said:
I agree. Hutch basically has had one good half.

What I noticed yesterday is Hutch is having problem when he tries to bull rush, the NFL tackles are smarter and old man strong and seem to dominate him physically. In the Washington game the sacks came from stunts, and when he was pushed outside but used his quickness to get back in the play.
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Justin Rogers had a good Tweet thread breaking down his win rate - stunts (with Comisky or a LB) have been one way, speed rush to the outside has been another.

Did Hutchinson bull rush a lot in college? You saw him more than I did, but I thought he was hand fighter / speed rush kind of Edge?

They asked Campbell about standing him up, he said that's one thing they'll look at. One of he writers claimed (IDK, not much of a NCAA watcher) that unlocked him in college. That true?
 
BobbyLayne said:
Da Guru said:
I agree. Hutch basically has had one good half.

What I noticed yesterday is Hutch is having problem when he tries to bull rush, the NFL tackles are smarter and old man strong and seem to dominate him physically. In the Washington game the sacks came from stunts, and when he was pushed outside but used his quickness to get back in the play.
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Justin Rogers had a good Tweet thread breaking down his win rate - stunts (with Comisky or a LB) have been one way, speed rush to the outside has been another.

Did Hutchinson bull rush a lot in college? You saw him more than I did, but I thought he was hand fighter / speed rush kind of Edge?

They asked Campbell about standing him up, he said that's one thing they'll look at. One of he writers claimed (IDK, not much of a NCAA watcher) that unlocked him in college. That true?
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Mostly a hand fighter but he bull rushed the OSU OT a couple of times.

Hutch is 6-7 and only weighs 265. I have seen him in person, and he looks lean, more like a basketball player than an NFL DE. Standing him up might be better.

One thing that was a little troubling was Hutch said after the game. "The NFL is more physical than I thought it would be"

It is only 4 games in so time will tell how he develops. If Hutch pans out it only helps, if he does not as a #2 it will hurt. Hutch needs to be an impact player.
 
Rams look beatable and Stafford struggling due to OL and limited weapons.
Challenge for offense going on road vs NE that usually plays good defense. Was going to say that we caught a break with NE's QB injuries but our defense can make Zappe look like Joe Montana. Since we coached Zappe at Senior Bowl maybe that will help because we need it.
 
Moonlight said:
Rams look beatable and Stafford struggling due to OL and limited weapons.
Challenge for offense going on road vs NE that usually plays good defense. Was going to say that we caught a break with NE's QB injuries but our defense can make Zappe look like Joe Montana. Since we coached Zappe at Senior Bowl maybe that will help because we need it.
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Or just run all day. Not sure who’s the better cutback runner, Harris or Stevenson, but the pencil ******* should be scheming up every counter running play in the playbook. Of course play action bootleg will probably work the first 11 times they run it. Doesn’t even have to be a good running QB.

Three difficult matchups out of the bye before the schedule let’s up a bit for the stretch run. Just have a look at the standings and see the **** teams that are 2-2 or 3-1. Jets, Browns, Jags, Giants, Falcons. Cards - just infuriating how the Lions pissed away the last two games.

Forward. Gotta turn the page.

ETA typos
 
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