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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (41 Viewers)

Would you trade Jahmyr Gibbs for Micah Parsons?

I would. Aside from Derrick Henry rbs don't last as long or make as big of an impact on a game as pass rushers do.

It is much easier to replace elite rb production than elite passer rusher production.
Normally I would side with your theory, Gibbs is a rare exception for me. I think the offense would take too large of a step back without his big play potential in the run and pass game. Parsons is someone I would throw a plethora of future picks for however.
I love Gibbs, but the odds of him (or any RB) still being a valuable contributor to the team by the end of his second contract are extremely low. Parsons is going to be very good in this league for a long time to come.

In any event, this is just a discussion of positional value. Obviously no trade like this is going to happen
 
Would you trade Jahmyr Gibbs for Micah Parsons?

I would. Aside from Derrick Henry rbs don't last as long or make as big of an impact on a game as pass rushers do.

It is much easier to replace elite rb production than elite passer rusher production.
Normally I would side with your theory, Gibbs is a rare exception for me. I think the offense would take too large of a step back without his big play potential in the run and pass game. Parsons is someone I would throw a plethora of future picks for however.
I love Gibbs, but the odds of him (or any RB) still being a valuable contributor to the team by the end of his second contract are extremely low. Parsons is going to be very good in this league for a long time to come.

In any event, this is just a discussion of positional value. Obviously no trade like this is going to happen
After further thought I would agree. I was letting my love for watching Gibbs play make the decision. It would definitely hurt the offense but having Parson would be incredible for the defense. Like you said, not a trade that would happen anyway.
 
I’ve never bet preseason NFL, but am wondering if anyone has found online options that provide individual player bets in the preseason. With Patrick dinged it just feels like a TeSlaa TD this week is imminent. I’ve. Checked (4) of the major apps and no player bets yet. Just flew home yesterday from a state that does not allow online betting and flying to another tomorrow, so hoping someone has a book they can recommend so I can sign up (for another) asap if player bets are posted.

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I’ve never bet preseason NFL, but am wondering if anyone has found online options that provide individual player bets in the preseason. With Patrick dinged it just feels like a TeSlaa TD this week is imminent. I’ve. Checked (4) of the major apps and no player bets yet. Just flew home yesterday from a state that does not allow online betting and flying to another tomorrow, so hoping someone has a book they can recommend so I can sign up (for another) asap if player bets are posted.

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I think they might try to cancel all bets on this game because of the way it ended. But you did make a good call.
 

Rapid Rewind: Lions' preseason game in Atlanta halted after safety Norris taken off via ambulance


Suddenly, the game no longer mattered.

Despite dozens of players for both the Detroit Lions and Atlanta Falcons battling for their livelihoods Friday night at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, everything came to a standstill when Lions safety Morice Norris’ body went limp after his head and neck snapped back while making a tackle early in the fourth quarter.

The game was halted for more than a dozen minutes as Norris’ neck was stabilized, he was loaded onto a stretcher and then into an ambulance.

Norris was taken to a local hospital for further testing. Coach Dan Campbell offered what little information he could in the postgame press conference.

“He's breathing, he's talking,” Campbell said. “That's good. He's got some movement. Now, they're running more tests.”

In a surreal moment, when play resumed, the Falcons snapped the ball and allowed more than seven minutes to run off the clock as players on both sides prayed before the officiating crew announced the game was being suspended with 6:19 remaining.

“(Falcons coach) Raheem Morris is a class act,” Campbell said. “He's the ultimate class act. We agreed that it just didn't feel right to finish that game. That man is a class act, always has been.”

Campbell asked for prayers for Norris multiple times during the three-minute session. He noted members of the team's staff, potentially even some teammates, would stay in Atlanta to support the second-year defender. Additionally, the injured player’s mother was in town for the game, so she was able to be with her son at the hospital.

For what little it’s worth, the contest ended with the Lions holding a 17-10 lead, thanks to a pair of Kyle Allen touchdown tosses.

Starters​

Defense: Al-Quadian Muhammad, Chris Smith, Tyleik Williams, Keith Cooper, Trevor Nowaski, Zach Cunningham, Grant Stuard, Dicaprio Bootle, Rock Ya-Sin (at safety), Ian Kennelly, Erick Hallett

Offense: Hendon Hooker, Craig Reynolds, Tom Kennedy, Jackson Meeks, Isaac TeSlaa, Shane Zylstra, Giovani Manu, Kayode Awosika, Trystan Colon, Tate Ratledge, Mason Miller

Game ball​

Allen came off the bench to relieve Hooker in the second quarter, stating a strong case for Detroit’s backup quarterback job by completing 7-of-8 for 120 yards and two touchdowns.

Scoring summary​

First quarter

8:25 — Taking over in Lions territory after recovering a fumble, the Falcons shot themselves in the foot with a holding call, leaving the home team to settle for a 57-yard field goal off the foot of Lenny Craig. FALCONS 3, LIONS 0

Second quarter


2:23 — Replacing Hooker earlier than expected, Allen flourished during his first possession at quarterback. Overcoming a holding infraction, the veteran quarterback hit Meeks on a deep shot down the middle for 68 yards. Three plays later, facing third-and-2 from Atlanta’s 11-yard line, Allen dropped a pretty slot fade into the waiting arms of TeSlaa for the go-ahead score. LIONS 7. FALCONS 3

0:34 — The Falcons put together an impressive two-minute drive with quarterback Easton Stick completing all six of his throws for 70 yards, capping the series with a 13-yard scoring toss to receiver Chris Blair, besting the coverage of Erick Hallet. FALCONS 10, LIONS 7

Third quarter


11:48 — Allen leads the Lions to more points with a third-down conversion that had a roughing-the-passer penalty tacked on to Ronnie Bell’s 14-yard catch. The drive stalled when Allen overthrew Malik Taylor on a deep shot, but Jake Bates came through with a 57-yard field goal to knot things up. LIONS 10, FALCONS 10

0:42
— Taking over at their own 43 after the Falcons missed a field goal, the Lions marched 57 yards on 11 plays to retake the lead. Running back Jacob Saylors was the focal point during the series. He touched the ball on each of the first five snaps, gaining 25 yards with four carries and another 8 yards via a screen pass.

A fourth-down conversion by Saylors deep in the red zone set up a 1-yard touchdown toss from Allen to Meeks. LIONS 17, FALCONS 10

Turnovers

11:03, first quarter — Feeling pressure prematurely on a third-down snap, Hooker attempted to scramble up the middle and had the ball knocked free by former Lions linebacker Josh Woods. The fumble was recovered by cornerback Dee Alford.

9:46, second quarter — After leading the Lions into the red zone with a fourth-down conversion, Hooker lost a second fumble when he was stripped in the pocket by defensive end Arnold Ebiketie, who blew past Miller, the right tackle.

Key stats​

● Hooker completed 7-of-10 throws for 38 yards, without a touchdown or an interception. He also ran for 27 yards on three scrambles, but his night was marred by the two lost fumbles.

● Saylors paced the Lions with 35 yards on nine carries. Reynolds, the starter, chipped in 15 yards on six carries. He briefly exited the game to be evaluated for injury after getting blown up on a wheel route. A flag was thrown for unnecessary roughness on the play.

● Fueled by his 68-yard catch, Meeks led the Lions with 78 yards on three receptions. Five others caught at least two passes.

● Muhammad and Nate Lynn recorded Detroit’s two sacks.

Other injuries​

● Detroit’s offensive tackle depth took another hit during pre-game warmups when Justin Herron was taken to the locker room with his right arm in an air cast.

● Colon, who got the start at center, exited with an arm injury in the second quarter after taking a big hit from a stunting Falcons defensive lineman.

Next game​

The Lions return home to continue the preseason against the Miami Dolphins. The teams will meet at Ford Field next Saturday at 1 p.m. after conducting a pair of joint practices at the Lions’ practice facility in Allen Park on Wednesday and Thursday.
 

Stock report: Lions QBs head in opposite directions, while a UDFA WR and two UFL transplants among those who popped


Here are 18 players or things trending up, down and staying level coming out of the Detroit Lions’ preseason game against the Atlanta Falcons, which was suspended in the fourth quarter with the Lions ahead 17-10.

Stock up: Quarterback Kyle Allen​

Allen was going to need to significantly outperform the incumbent to be seriously considered for Detroit’s backup job. What the veteran showed against the Atlanta Falcons could have the scales tipping in his favor.

Entering the game with a little more than five minutes remaining in the second quarter, Allen immediately went to work with a five-play, 80-yard touchdown drive that featured a 68-yard deep shot and a pretty 11-yard touchdown toss.

Allen helped the offense net points on three of four series, with the exception coming at the end of the first half, when the Lions took possession at their 17-yard line with 30 seconds remaining.

On the night, Allen finished 7-of-8 for 120 yards, two touchdowns and no turnovers. That puts the pressure on the other contender for the job, especially after he stumbled as the starter in this contest.

Stock down: Quarterback Hendon Hooker​

After describing his preseason debut as a 0-out-of-10 performance, Hooker operated at a decidedly better level against the Falcons, completing 70% of his throws and scrambling for 27 yards.

However, any positive progress was washed away by an inability to take care of the football. Hooker lost a fumble on Detroit’s opening possession, made worse by the fact that he bailed from his pocket prematurely. Yes, there was a facemask grab that was missed, but that doesn’t excuse putting the ball on the ground.

Maybe you could live with a single turnover, but Hooker coughed it up a second time after leading the Lions into the red zone. This one popped free after his offensive tackle was beaten around the outside.

After the second giveaway, Hooker got an early hook in favor of Allen.

Stock up: Wide receiver Jackson Meeks​

Meeks didn’t do Hooker any favors early, dropping a well-placed third-down throw across the middle. But the undrafted rookie receiver, who has impressed all camp, authoritatively rebounded from the miscue.

Meeks caught his next target for a first down, then hauled in a 68-yard bomb from Allen to set up Detroit’s first touchdown. On that fade route to Isaac TeSlaa, Meeks set a pick to help his teammate get separation.

Meeks would be the recipient of Detroit’s second touchdown, a 1-yard toss from Allen. And on top of it all, Meeks was active, effective and occasionally dominant as a run blocker.

That’s how you interview for a job. In Meeks’ case, he might be interviewing for 32 of them if the Lions can’t find room on their 53-man roster.

Stock down: Cornerback Erick Hallett​

Hallett had a strong start to camp, showcasing previously unrecognized versatility by moving from safety to cornerback, where he’s seen reps both outside and in the slot.

Against the Falcons, Hallett drew the start on the outside. He was frequently targeted in the contest, giving up five receptions, including a 13-yard touchdown on a play where he was also flagged for pass interference.

With Ennis Rakestraw ruled out for the year, there’s potentially room for another cornerback on the roster. Hallett had a shaky week of practice followed by an equally rough outing in this matchup, missing out on an opportunity to strengthen his resume.

Stock up: Cornerback Nick Whiteside​

Earlier this week, we wrote about Whiteside, the local product who signed mid-camp after playing in the UFL this spring. It can be difficult to acclimate in those situations. However, the 6-foot-1, 200-pounder has played with confidence and routinely made plays on the ball during recent practices.

Against the Falcons, Whiteside broke up a third-down throw and made a couple of open-field tackles. Targeted twice, the opposition gained just 3 yards on those snaps.

Treading water: Defensive tackle Brodric Martin​

It was surprising to see Martin on the field after he missed the two practices leading up to the game. He showed some promise in limited snaps, including a perfectly played run stop that saw him use his length to keep the blocker off his body before shedding the interior lineman to make the tackle.

Martin also had a QB pressure, but unfortunately made contact with the passer’s helmet in the pocket, drawing a 15-yard roughing call.

Stock up: Offensive tackle Giovanni Manu​

I’m not going to pretend Manu went out and mauled his assignments from bell to bell. Still, after getting manhandled on the practice field by Aidan Hutchinson and Marcus Davenport the past week, the second-year offensive tackle showed resiliency and poise, effectively executing his assignment most of his nearly 50 snaps.

The Lions certainly needed Manu to step up his game with the team’s offensive tackle depth depleted going into the night and worsened by a pre-game injury to veteran Justin Herron.

Stock down: Offensive tackle Mason Miller​

Miller wasn’t similarly able to elevate his game. The undrafted rookie, who drew the start and played all 48 offensive snaps at right tackle, allowed multiple pressures, including the sack that dislodged the ball from Hooker in the red zone.

Miller was closer to adequate in the ground game, especially during Detroit’s run-heavy, 11-play, 57-yard touchdown drive in the third quarter. Still, he needs to start making strides in protection to justify a spot on the practice squad.

Treading water: Reserve tight ends​

If you were looking for one of the three contenders — Shane Zylstra, Kenny Yeboah or Zach Horton — to step up, you likely feel unfulfilled.

Zylstra, the best receiver from the group, is the only one who saw a target. He had three balls thrown his way and came down with all of them, but for a measly 8 yards and a long of 4.

The undrafted rookie Horton was the position’s best blocker on the night, including a couple of nice ones on the aforementioned 57-yard touchdown drive. Still, it wasn't anything worth writing home about.

Yeboah was less impressive than last week, perhaps still dealing with residual discomfort after having his leg unnaturally bent backward in the Hall of Fame game.

Stock up: Edge Nate Lynn​

Lynn continues to intrigue enough to remain on the fringes of the roster discussion. He didn’t play a ton, but he found a way to generate multiple pressures on the quarterback, including an impressive sack in the second half.

Stock down: Edge Mitchell Agude​

Agude has also been in that mix of young edge rushers with something to prove. Still, he’s been quiet through two preseason games, and his playing time looks to be dwindling in favor of Lynn, Isaac Ukwu and rookie Ahmed Hassanein, who are each making more plays than the longer-tenured Agude.

Stock up: Third down defens​

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The Lions didn’t give up a third-down conversion until the second half, limiting the Falcons to 1-for-7 on the night, while also getting a stop on the opposition’s lone fourth-down try.

On the critical, drive-ending down, the defense kept things in front of them and did a nice job making tackles shy of the sticks.

Stock down: Two-minute defense​

The Lions gave up one touchdown in the game, allowing the Falcons to slice through the defense in the closing minutes of the first half.

The coverage wasn’t even that bad, but Falcons starting quarterback Easton Stick carved up the secondary on the series, completing six consecutive passes for 70 yards, including a capping touchdown to Chris Blair.

Stock up: Running back Jacob Saylors​

On the roster for fewer than two weeks, Saylors is making some noise, much like his former St. Louis Battlehawks teammate, Whiteside.

Saylors led the UFL in rushing, and you got a small taste why on Friday as he gained a team-high 35 yards on nine carries, adding another 9 yards on a well-executed screen pass.

Running hard up the middle, Saylors found holes and maximized the blocking, especially with a fourth-down conversion that set up Detroit’s “winning” touchdown.

Stock down: Running back Jabari Small​

After some eye-catching runs on the practice field, Small hasn’t translated the success to the preseason games. After a quiet showing in the Hall of Fame contest a week ago, it was more of the same in Atlanta. He finished with 13 yards on five carries (2.6 yards per carry) and wasn’t targeted as a receiving option.

Stock up: Veteran defensive backups​

You could appreciate the guys who have been around the block a few times on Detroit’s defense.

Linebacker Zach Cunningham was a menacing presence against the run, defensive end Al-Quadian Muhammad was disruptive, finding his way into the backfield for an early sack, and Rock Ya-Sin was a force multiplier in his debut at safety.

 

Stock down: Special teams cohesiveness:​

Coaching special teams is difficult this time of year. You’re talking about groups with more moving parts than the offense or defense, and who get less time to practice reps at full speed. Plus, you’re dealing with a lot of young talent being asked to perform jobs where they have minimal experience.

The process can understandably be shaky through the preseason. It certainly was on Friday as the Lions had four youngsters commit penalties on the coverage and return groups.

Coordinator Dave Fipp will have plenty of teaching points to work through this week.

Stock up: Kicker Jake Bates​

No one questions Bates’ leg strength, but his accuracy from long distance hasn’t been inconsistent in camp. He drilled a 60-yarder recently, but has missed his fair share between 50 and 55 yards.

Regardless, there’s something about Bates; when the lights come on, he’s at his best. He nailed a 57-yarder against the Falcons that was down the middle with several yards to spare.
 
Listening to the pundits this morning and the reviews on Hooker were not glowing, saying he has no pocket presence, that he does not go through progressions and panics if first read is not open. "That was the knock on him coming out of college, a one read QB. They expected better from a third year QB.

Allen is not much better but has a better command on the NFL game than Hooker. Hooker was supposed to play longer than he did but DC gave Hooker the early hook. So if they keep Hooker at 27 years old it looks like he will be the #3 QB.

So it seems the "Hooker situation" is now between Hooker and Allen, not Hooker and Goff.
 
What actual starting positions are open on the Lions' team?
How many reserve spots are open as camp unfolds?

Have they replaced/rebuilt the IOL?
Glad Norris is able to move his arms and legs
Thanks
 
Listening to the pundits this morning and the reviews on Hooker were not glowing, saying he has no pocket presence, that he does not go through progressions and panics if first read is not open. "That was the knock on him coming out of college, a one read QB. They expected better from a third year QB.

Allen is not much better but has a better command on the NFL game than Hooker. Hooker was supposed to play longer than he did but DC gave Hooker the early hook. So if they keep Hooker at 27 years old it looks like he will be the #3 QB.

So it seems the "Hooker situation" is now between Hooker and Allen, not Hooker and Goff.

It’s hard to reconcile bc every beat writer has said he looks like a different guy in practice reps. It’s not translating to game time. Critical juncture in his career and rn he is floundering.
 
Listening to the pundits this morning and the reviews on Hooker were not glowing, saying he has no pocket presence, that he does not go through progressions and panics if first read is not open. "That was the knock on him coming out of college, a one read QB. They expected better from a third year QB.

Allen is not much better but has a better command on the NFL game than Hooker. Hooker was supposed to play longer than he did but DC gave Hooker the early hook. So if they keep Hooker at 27 years old it looks like he will be the #3 QB.

So it seems the "Hooker situation" is now between Hooker and Allen, not Hooker and Goff.

It’s hard to reconcile bc every beat writer has said he looks like a different guy in practice reps. It’s not translating to game time. Critical juncture in his career and rn he is floundering.
We have to wait and see what Footballs Jones official assessment is of Hookers future. I know he thinks Hooker is the second coming of Lamar Jackson.
 
What actual starting positions are open on the Lions' team?
How many reserve spots are open as camp unfolds?

Have they replaced/rebuilt the IOL?
Glad Norris is able to move his arms and legs
Thanks

Graham Glasgow will start at C, primarily because he’s had more time on task and is decent at calling pre-snap line adjustments. It’s really all about who Goff is more comfortable with.

Tate Ratledge is the likely C in 2026 and going forward. They feel pretty good about him at RG.

Christian Mahogany looked brilliant in two starts last year. There were concerns about sample size but he’s made a year 2 leap and is probably better than Jonah Jackson (pro bowl G they let walk.)

GG is 33 this year and was not comfortable at LG last year. They actually have pretty solid development in the backups so I think they’re probably still a top 5 OL - but that’s often a function of jelling as a group, it’s not just the sum of the individual parts. Obviously OT remains a core strength.

There are no camp battles for starting jobs. Backup QB, WR5, 3rd TE, LB4/5, CB4 and S3/4 are the most competitive spots. TeSlaa may surpass Patrick at WR3.

All the specialists (P, K, LS) are all pro / pro bowl caliber, same guys as last year. Both new coordinators are well liked and respected, though at the moment it’s clear the D is ahead of the O (pretty common first few weeks of TC.) They also have new assistants at Passing game coordinator, Running game coordinator, RBs. TEs, DL, LB, DB - but a lot of those were internal promotions or lateral shifts. Others, like the passing game coordinator & RB coach, have worked for with Goff, ARSB & Gibbs in previous years.

Campbell is pretty good at building a cohesive staff. They run some of the hardest hitting & most intense camps in the NFL. Guys who came from other teams routinely say this is the hardest they’ve ever had to work. They encourage competition as it brings out the best in people.
 
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