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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (89 Viewers)

Winning on the road is always tough and it only takes a couple of mistakes to flip a game. I still think we will need to really crap the bed to lose any of the games besides Dallas. I see us with 2 more loses this season, Dallas and one random road game. Hopefully not this one.
 
Feeling really good about my Cambellbfor coach of the year bets at +1000. Currently at +160. Not so good about my Branch and LaPorta bets for rookie of the year. Still have an outside chance at Lions having the best record at +3000. I really wished the eagles would have lostast week for that one.
 

Detroit Lions practice report​


PlayerPositionInjuryWednesday*ThursdayFridayGame Status
Donovan Peoples-JonesWRribsLP
Halapoulivaati VaitaiGbackLP
Khalil DorseyCBkneeFP
Jonah JacksonGankleFP
David MontgomeryRBribsFP
Frank RagnowCtoeFP
 
Who, In your opinion, have been the Top 5 players on this team this year, ranked in order?






  1. Penei Sewell
    Team captain, hasn't allowed a sack in 16 games, 4 pressures allowed all year, has improved every year

  2. Amon-Ra St. Brown
    Admittedly it's weird having a Slot WR be the single most integral element, but he is irreplaceable. Goff is playing at a high level but I still think we win 10-11 games with Bridgewater at QB if it came down to it. We're not a .500 teams without 14. IMO

  3. Aidan Hutchinson
    Not at the Myles Garrett-TJ Watt level yet but potentially a future DPotY winner, he is the key to the defense. When he gets pressure it makes everyone else's job easier.

  4. Sam LaPorta
    Having one of the greatest rookie TE seasons of all time, clutch when it matters most, does everything well.

  5. Alim McNeil
    Has elevated his game from pretty good to elite.

Honorable Mentions: Jared Goff, Brian Branch, Graham Glasgow, Frank Ragnow, Taylor Decker, Alex Anzalone, Cam Sutton, Jack Fox - we may not have that many elite superstars but boy we have a lot of really good football players.
 
BobbyLayne said:
Who, In your opinion, have been the Top 5 players on this team this year, ranked in order?






  1. Penei Sewell
    Team captain, hasn't allowed a sack in 16 games, 4 pressures allowed all year, has improved every year

  2. Amon-Ra St. Brown
    Admittedly it's weird having a Slot WR be the single most integral element, but he is irreplaceable. Goff is playing at a high level but I still think we win 10-11 games with Bridgewater at QB if it came down to it. We're not a .500 teams without 14. IMO

  3. Aidan Hutchinson
    Not at the Myles Garrett-TJ Watt level yet but potentially a future DPotY winner, he is the key to the defense. When he gets pressure it makes everyone else's job easier.

  4. Sam LaPorta
    Having one of the greatest rookie TE seasons of all time, clutch when it matters most, does everything well.

  5. Alim McNeil
    Has elevated his game from pretty good to elite.

Honorable Mentions: Jared Goff, Brian Branch, Graham Glasgow, Frank Ragnow, Taylor Decker, Alex Anzalone, Cam Sutton, Jack Fox - we may not have that many elite superstars but boy we have a lot of really good football players.
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The Lions would look different if ATL, CIN, or MIA had taken the generational tackle. In hindsight, it looks like ATL made a mistake, although argument could be made for Miami since they traded back up to get Waddle, giving up a 2022 1st rounder.
 
SoBeDad said:
The Lions would look different if ATL, CIN, or MIA had taken the generational tackle. In hindsight, it looks like ATL made a mistake, although argument could be made for Miami since they traded back up to get Waddle, giving up a 2022 1st rounder.
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Penei was such a perfect first pick for Holmes and Campbell. Tone setter.

The rocket scientist was a toxic jerk and a very ineffective leader, and that was Quinn's handpicked choice. But one thing silent Bob got right was locking up Decker & Ragnow + finding a pro bowl LG in the 3rd round (Jonah Jackson.) Hal Vaitai, on the whole, was a bad signing (overpay) but he's serviceable when healthy. I'll give him credit there, the roster cupboard was bare, but not at OL.

For most new GMs/HCs going into their first draft of a complete teardown and rebuild, probably the chalk play would be "OK, OL is no worse than mid, let's find some playmakers." NOPE - they went for 1) a generational talent to add to an already good position group, and 2) sending a clear message: we're building an identity. It starts from the inside and then we'll work on the outside.

OT-DL-NT-DB on Day 1 and Day 2, 3 starters and a contributor. Wow. Huge need at WR (had just lost Golladay), "hey we'll get to that, these are foundational pieces for our identity."

Then on Day 3 it went from "gee nice draft, Detroit might have a good GM now" to absolutely crushing it. ARSB and the trade up to get Derrick Barnes with picks 112 and 113.

He's had two more good drafts since, but taking Sewell was probably the most important pick they've made in the last three years, even bigger than Hutch. He has gone from very good to probably no worse than 2nd or 3rd best RT in the league, and he's made huge strides as a leader. Got married, started a family, and matured into the most vocal leader on the offense. Dude is relentless in his pursuit to be the best OL in the game.
 
3 games in 11 days - gonna be tough from a rest and recovery standpoint but this crucial stretch could catapult them into the upper tier of the NFC.

Or see them slide back to "pretty good, but probably still a year away."

10. at LAC 11/12
11. CHI 11/19
12. GB 11/23

Then another (third) 10 day mini bye before three more that should be a win games.

13. at NO
14. at CHI
15. DEN

Two mid teams and four bad teams - if they walk out of SoFi with a dub, that's a pretty clear path to 12-2.

Eagles (8-1) next 6:

10. bye
11. at KC
12. BUF
13. SF
14. at DAL
15. at SEA

On paper, Philadelphia is better than all of those teams except (maybe) KC. Still, if they stumble at all, it's right there for Detroit to take control of the #1 seed.

But we gotta beat a mediocre Chargers team first.
 
Sunday will be the 6th game out of 9 in which the network with the Lions game assigned their top announcing crew to the broadcast. That's gotta be some kind of franchise record.
 
BobbyLayne said:
probably no worse than 2nd or 3rd best RT in the league
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I think I’m In giving Lane Johnson and Trent Williams too much credit for their career body of work; if we’re talking 2023, Penei has been objectively better OT - and he’s the only elite guy with multiple starts at both sides.

Pass Pro
  • LAC LT Rashawn Slater 81.1 18 hurries
  • MIN LT Christian Darrisaw 82.9 10 hurries
  • TB LT Tristan Wirfs 86.3 10 pressures allowed
  • PHI LT Jordan Mailata 80.4 24 pressures allowed
  • PHI RT Johnson 80.4 16 pressures allowed 1 sack
  • SF LT Williams 76.2 8 pressures allowed
  • DET RT & LT #58 82.0 5 pressures allowed
Run Blocking+overall player grade
  • LAC LT Rashawn Slater | 60.7 | 72.7
  • MIN LT Christian Darrisaw | 84.0 | 86.0
  • TB LT Tristan Wirfs | 72.1 | 81.0
  • PHI LT Jordan Mailata 81.4 | 83.1
  • PHI RT Johnson | 73.6 | 79.7
  • SF LT Williams | 80.7 | 81.9
  • DET RT & LT #58 | 80.4 | 82.4
 
BobbyLayne said:
Who, In your opinion, have been the Top 5 players on this team this year, ranked in order?






  1. Penei Sewell
    Team captain, hasn't allowed a sack in 16 games, 4 pressures allowed all year, has improved every year

  2. Amon-Ra St. Brown
    Admittedly it's weird having a Slot WR be the single most integral element, but he is irreplaceable. Goff is playing at a high level but I still think we win 10-11 games with Bridgewater at QB if it came down to it. We're not a .500 teams without 14. IMO

  3. Aidan Hutchinson
    Not at the Myles Garrett-TJ Watt level yet but potentially a future DPotY winner, he is the key to the defense. When he gets pressure it makes everyone else's job easier.

  4. Sam LaPorta
    Having one of the greatest rookie TE seasons of all time, clutch when it matters most, does everything well.

  5. Alim McNeil
    Has elevated his game from pretty good to elite.

Honorable Mentions: Jared Goff, Brian Branch, Graham Glasgow, Frank Ragnow, Taylor Decker, Alex Anzalone, Cam Sutton, Jack Fox - we may not have that many elite superstars but boy we have a lot of really good football players.
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It is hard not to not have Goff top 5, but a solid list. If RB#1 (Gibbs and Monty) were one player, they would be #5, but as individuals they fall down to around 9 & 10. I would probably put ARSB at 1.
 
jon_mx said:
If the RB#1 (Gibbs and Monty) were one player, they would be #5, but as individuals they fall down to around 9 & 10.
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In time Jahmyr might be special. But with their OL I feel like any athletic Day 3 RB or UDFA would have done roughly what 5 & 26 have produced so far. Both good players but neither makes me jump off the Lay-z-boy.
 
BobbyLayne said:
SoBeDad said:
The Lions would look different if ATL, CIN, or MIA had taken the generational tackle. In hindsight, it looks like ATL made a mistake, although argument could be made for Miami since they traded back up to get Waddle, giving up a 2022 1st rounder.
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Penei was such a perfect first pick for Holmes and Campbell. Tone setter.

The rocket scientist was a toxic jerk and a very ineffective leader, and that was Quinn's handpicked choice. But one thing silent Bob got right was locking up Decker & Ragnow + finding a pro bowl LG in the 3rd round (Jonah Jackson.) Hal Vaitai, on the whole, was a bad signing (overpay) but he's serviceable when healthy. I'll give him credit there, the roster cupboard was bare, but not at OL.

For most new GMs/HCs going into their first draft of a complete teardown and rebuild, probably the chalk play would be "OK, OL is no worse than mid, let's find some playmakers." NOPE - they went for 1) a generational talent to add to an already good position group, and 2) sending a clear message: we're building an identity. It starts from the inside and then we'll work on the outside.

OT-DL-NT-DB on Day 1 and Day 2, 3 starters and a contributor. Wow. Huge need at WR (had just lost Golladay), "hey we'll get to that, these are foundational pieces for our identity."

Then on Day 3 it went from "gee nice draft, Detroit might have a good GM now" to absolutely crushing it. ARSB and the trade up to get Derrick Barnes with picks 112 and 113.

He's had two more good drafts since, but taking Sewell was probably the most important pick they've made in the last three years, even bigger than Hutch. He has gone from very good to probably no worse than 2nd or 3rd best RT in the league, and he's made huge strides as a leader. Got married, started a family, and matured into the most vocal leader on the offense. Dude is relentless in his pursuit to be the best OL in the game.
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I thought the Lions were going to take Parsons as they already had Decker at LT and team usually don`t draft RTs that early.

Sewell is an anchor for sure.
 
Looking for much better play from Jameson Williams after the bye and getting in sync with the offense. Just a hunch
 
Not sure DPJ will be active this week

Chargers DBs are vulnerable if the pass rush doesn’t get home

Expecting more of the usual this week (St & Sam) but would be nice to get some contributions from Josh or Jamo - been struggling to identify who else is reliable

Kalif is always good for 1-2 clutch plays but has limited upside bc he’s not running that many routes. Reynolds is crushing snap counts but hasn’t topped 3 receptions or 50 yards since Week 5.
 
Lowest Passer Rating Allowed by Safeties (min. 15 targets) entering Week 10 in the NFL:

1) #Lions Kerby Joseph - 33.8
2) #Ravens Geno Stone - 52.2
3) #Packers Rudy Ford - 52.9
4) #Ravens Kyle Hamilton - 56.2
5) #Jaguars Rayshawn Jenkins - 59.8
6) #Giants Jason Pinnock - 60.1
7) #Colts Julian Blackmon - 60.3
8) #49ers Talanoa Hufanga - 63.8
9) #Patriots Jabrill Peppers - 64.6
10) #Jaguars Andre Cisco - 66.5

(via pick6/ig)
 
BobbyLayne said:
BobbyLayne said:
probably no worse than 2nd or 3rd best RT in the league
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I think I’m In giving Lane Johnson and Trent Williams too much credit for their career body of work; if we’re talking 2023, Penei has been objectively better OT - and he’s the only elite guy with multiple starts at both sides.

Pass Pro
  • LAC LT Rashawn Slater 81.1 18 hurries
  • MIN LT Christian Darrisaw 82.9 10 hurries
  • TB LT Tristan Wirfs 86.3 10 pressures allowed
  • PHI LT Jordan Mailata 80.4 24 pressures allowed
  • PHI RT Johnson 80.4 16 pressures allowed 1 sack
  • SF LT Williams 76.2 8 pressures allowed
  • DET RT & LT #58 82.0 5 pressures allowed
Run Blocking+overall player grade
  • LAC LT Rashawn Slater | 60.7 | 72.7
  • MIN LT Christian Darrisaw | 84.0 | 86.0
  • TB LT Tristan Wirfs | 72.1 | 81.0
  • PHI LT Jordan Mailata 81.4 | 83.1
  • PHI RT Johnson | 73.6 | 79.7
  • SF LT Williams | 80.7 | 81.9
  • DET RT & LT #58 | 80.4 | 82.4
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Lane Johnson has been playing with a high ankle sprain since the Jets game.
 
Snotbubbles said:
BobbyLayne said:
BobbyLayne said:
probably no worse than 2nd or 3rd best RT in the league
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I think I’m In giving Lane Johnson and Trent Williams too much credit for their career body of work; if we’re talking 2023, Penei has been objectively better OT - and he’s the only elite guy with multiple starts at both sides.

Pass Pro
  • LAC LT Rashawn Slater 81.1 18 hurries
  • MIN LT Christian Darrisaw 82.9 10 hurries
  • TB LT Tristan Wirfs 86.3 10 pressures allowed
  • PHI LT Jordan Mailata 80.4 24 pressures allowed
  • PHI RT Johnson 80.4 16 pressures allowed 1 sack
  • SF LT Williams 76.2 8 pressures allowed
  • DET RT & LT #58 82.0 5 pressures allowed
Run Blocking+overall player grade
  • LAC LT Rashawn Slater | 60.7 | 72.7
  • MIN LT Christian Darrisaw | 84.0 | 86.0
  • TB LT Tristan Wirfs | 72.1 | 81.0
  • PHI LT Jordan Mailata 81.4 | 83.1
  • PHI RT Johnson | 73.6 | 79.7
  • SF LT Williams | 80.7 | 81.9
  • DET RT & LT #58 | 80.4 | 82.4
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Lane Johnson has been playing with a high ankle sprain since the Jets game.
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Yeah that's rough on the big uns. LT Taylor Decker missed a couple games this year after getting a HAS v the Chiefs opening night. Penei flipped over to the other side for a couple games, and even when he came back Decker wasn't right the first few weeks back. Last 3 he's been back to his usual stellar self, grading out low to mid 80s.
 
There is snow in Vermont, and here's the Lions remaining schedule with their opponents FF Pts Allowed to RBs:

10.@LAC12th
11.CHI6th
12.GB13th
13.@NO30th
14.@CHI6th
15.DEN1st
16.@MIN28th
17.@DAL26th
18.MIN26th

Of course, all of these games are in domes or retractable roof stadiums except for Week 14. Ski conditions in Vermont may not be sticky, but in old school smashmouth football theory, running the ball late in the season is a winning formula.
 
  • The Lions had 3 players produce 100+ scrimmage yards and a TD today (WR ARSB, RB David Montgomery, RB Jahmyr Gibbs.)

    The only other times Detroit had 3 players produce 100+ scrimmage yards and a TD in the same game:
    - 2013
    - 1995
    - 1981

  • The only times the Lions have logged 1,250+ rushing yards & 14 rushing TDs through the first 9 games of a season:
    - 2023
    - 1981
    - 1972
    - 1956
    - 1936
    - 1934

  • In their past two games, the Lions have combined for 1,019 total net yards.

    This marks the 3rd-most net yards the Lions have ever had in a two-game span, trailing only:
    1. 1,120 yards in 2013
    2. 1,057 yards in 1950

  • Today marked the first game in Lions history that the team produced 325 net passing yards and 200 rushing yards.

    The Lions also produced 525+ total net yards and 40+ points in a game for the first time since 2013.

  • Lions TE Sam LaPorta has produced 35+ receiving yards in each of his first nine NFL games.

    He is the first TE in NFL history to do so.

  • The Lions have produced 475+ total net yards in consecutive games for the 2nd time in franchise history.

    Last accomplished in 1950.

  • The Lions are 15-4 since Week 9 of last season
 
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The Lions set season-highs in rushing yards over expected (+92), yards before contact (101), and rush EPA (+11.4) in their 41-38 victory over the Chargers.

The Lions were especially effective on outside runs, gaining 183 yards & scoring 3 TD on 20 carries.


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Amon-Ra St. Brown caught 6 of his 7 targets against zone coverage for 114 yards and a TD in Week 10.

St. Brown has gained 613 yards against zone coverage this season, 3rd-most in the NFL.


I love watching the NGS overheads of long plays so satisfying lol

@NextGenStats
David Montgomery gained +68 rushing yards over expected on his 75-yard TD run, the most RYOE on a run play this season.
  • Rushing Yards: 75
  • Expected Rush Yards: 7
  • Rush Yards Over Expected: +68
 
Coach moving up the franchise all-time ranks
  • 43 - games coached,13th all-time

  • 19 - wins, moves out of a tie and into solo 11th

    10th place is 20 wins, 9th place is 27 wins

  • .453 - winning percentage

    only 15th place here but at .188 he was in 28th place 54 weeks ago
 
Gibbs last 3 weeks (with 1.5 games to be completed):
  • Week 7 - RB3 overall, 9th offensive player overall
  • Week 8 - RB1 overall, 7th offensive player overall
  • Week 10 - RB2 overall, 14th overall
 
Amon-Ra St Brown with a career high 156 receiving yards today

That's 6 out of 7 games over 100 yards, first Lion player to do that since Calvin in 2012
 
David Montgomery

Yeah it was a good run. I think it would not have been anything without the O line and the wide receivers. Definitely like I want to highlight Jamo. That's the second time this year where I've had a long one and Jamo's been there to lead the way. That take a lot of humility, too, for him to be who he is, knowing he a playmaker, for him to be able to run and go block for me. And it also show how fast he is, too. I was running as fast as I was and he was jogging, he still managed to get past me. I'm a little hurt about that, but I'll just suppress those feelings 'til later.
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:lmao:

All 3 receivers had blocks - Amon-Ra did just enough to knock 26 off stride. He was the one DB who had the angle that Jamo took out later. And Kalif was right there behind Jamo to clean up if Monty cut again.

That cut at the 45 when he juked out the whole defensive backfield....haha to anyone who thinks Monty is mid
 
Jahmyr Gibbs led the Lions backfield in Week 10 despite the return of David Montgomery.

Gibbs v Monty
Snaps: 58% v 38%
Attempts: 50% v 43%
Inside five-yard line attempts: 50% v 50%
Routes: 64% v 33%
Targets: 16% v 0%
Fantasy points: 26.2 v 17.6

Gibbs looking like the RB1.
 
GregR said:
It's great seeing you guys doing so well. I grew up on the west side of the state and was never much more than a mild Lions fan. But Lions fans deserve what's going on. Best of luck rest of the way. See you in the Super Bowl hopefully. ;)
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GR?

I'm from Grand Haven

Feel like I asked you years ago but forgot lol getting old now
 
BobbyLayne said:
GregR said:
It's great seeing you guys doing so well. I grew up on the west side of the state and was never much more than a mild Lions fan. But Lions fans deserve what's going on. Best of luck rest of the way. See you in the Super Bowl hopefully. ;)
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GR?

I'm from Grand Haven

Feel like I asked you years ago but forgot lol getting old now
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Nah from Niles, down right on the state line across from where Notre Dame is at. I just kind of ended up a Seahawks fan as a kid, got one of their sweatshirts because I loved the colors and started cheering for them back in the Steve Largent and Curt Warner days. Though moved on to the Texans when I ended up in Houston later.
 
GregR said:
BobbyLayne said:
GregR said:
It's great seeing you guys doing so well. I grew up on the west side of the state and was never much more than a mild Lions fan. But Lions fans deserve what's going on. Best of luck rest of the way. See you in the Super Bowl hopefully. ;)
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GR?

I'm from Grand Haven

Feel like I asked you years ago but forgot lol getting old now
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Nah from Niles, down right on the state line across from where Notre Dame is at. I just kind of ended up a Seahawks fan as a kid, got one of their sweatshirts because I loved the colors and started cheering for them back in the Steve Largent and Curt Warner days. Though moved on to the Texans when I ended up in Houston later.
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Gotcha, nope, was a Bills fan I'm thinking of but not sure who.

I grew up in Gowen (smack in the middle), went to mostly Greenville schools but graduated from Charlotte.

We started boating on Lake Michigan around 1969 so made sense for all of us to migrate, Dad to Muskegon and the rest of us to Ferrysburg-Grand Haven-Spring Lake.

Will move back there sometime in the next few years.
 
BobbyLayne said:
Vikings are not going away. Right on our tail. Gotta keep this going through next week's two games.

Special season but it could become just OK real fast if we stumble.
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Odds oddity of the coming week is that Vikings are underdogs at Denver. Only +2, but I thought they would be favored by a little against that team.
 
Leroy Hoard said:
Looking ahead, bears are now getting 9 points. They opened at +7.5 last week, was then off the board, then reappeared as +9 last night.
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I bet the Lions at the -9 last night. 93% of the action was on the Lions as of this morning on Fan Duel and its been bet up to -10.5. I was listening to a NFL betting podcast while working in the yard. I can't find the exact stats they shared, but MCDC is around 62% ATS (highest coaching % of the last like 100 head coaches historically) and Goff over his career was even more insane at over 70%. I will try and run down the actual #s and edit accordingly.

ETA info on coach: Tweet About ATS

ETA 2, Jared Goff, a spread bettors dream
 
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Lions might not be getting any production from Williams as a WR but he is a good blocker in the open field. Had a nice block on Montys TD

On another note The Dobber is looking pretty good in Minny. Too bad we lost him off the practice squad but happy for him as he seems like one of those late bloomers who is going to last awhile in the league.
 
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