2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (60 Viewers)

[BobbyLayne]

Da Gura having fun with thread title this morning,

 

[TartanLion]

That's a good observation. Speculative but makes sense. He talked about how he'd push for s couple days and then they'd see how it responded. Obviously the results were not good so he probably has been dealing with an inflammatory condition, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's had it drained a few times this year. Plaxico dealt with bone on bone for years. Those were highly productive seasons. Every player is different, it's mostly pain management at this point. 

Yeah exactly, the swelling I dealt with after any physical exertion was really bad. Swelling in the quads as well, effecting the hamstrings, basically couldn't bend my leg because of it. Plus, the other knee begins to try to make up the difference and ends up with the same net effect. As you say, each person is different. After my micro fracture, things didn't sort themselves out on that front until well after a year post surgery, but that was more finding time to work exercise bikes to build the quads back up that had atrophied. This has since stopped the swelling. Sounded to me like maybe he's working through it this season, and may need a micro fracture once the season is done. Luckily there is always advancements happening to make these surgeries better. All just a guess though. Just hope he doesn't end up like one of my favourite footballers of all time Ledley King...

http://sabotagetimes.com/football/10-reasons-why-ledley-king-was-the-greatest-of-his-generation

despite numerous surgeries and micro fractures, things never got better for him. Astonishing that in the last 4 years of his career, he'd play a game, not train all week while the swelling went down, then hopefully be ready to just go out and play again 7 days later and still play flawlessly. Remarkable actually. Didn't train at all for the last four years of his career and still experienced no downturn in performance.

 

[BobbyLayne]

CBS Top Ten this morning:

1. New England

2. Dallas

3. Kansas City

4. Detroit

5. Oakland

6. Seattle

7. Atlanta

8. NY Giants

9. Denver

10. Pittsburgh 

 

[nysfl2]

Caldwell at the presser..no questions about Stafford's finger.  Well that is the only thing anyone wants to know!!

From the descriptions I heard after the game, it sounds like he's got mallet finger (can't straighten the tip of the middle finger). If true, the treatment is basically to splint it for 6 weeks, and the tendons will grow back together. If the finger bends at any point during that healing process, it will undo any healing that's been done, and the 6 week clock restarts. There's probably a decent chance that playing in the games will cause enough physical trauma to interrupt the healing process, so I doubt it fully heals until the offseason.

I've had it, and the good news is that it isn't painful at all, and doesn't swell, so other than grip strength, it shouldn't affect his play. He'll wear the split during the games and glove to protect the splint, and should be good to play. Obviously, he has no grip strength in the tip of that finger, so he'll have to compensate with his other fingers. It will probably take a little zip off of his fastball, and make deep throws tougher (but he doesn't throw deep that frequently anyway). With time to practice the new throwing grip, he'll probably be fine.

 

[Sabertooth]

Lions fans be like "this ain't real.  This real?"  Always looking over their shoulder.  

Nah, you guys are a legit team.  Weird what losing Calvin has done to Stafford.   Reminds me of when Favre lost Sharpe.  He just took his game to a new level.  

 

[BobbyLayne]

Lions fans be like "this ain't real.  This real?"  Always looking over their shoulder.  

Nah, you guys are a legit team.  Weird what losing Calvin has done to Stafford.   Reminds me of when Favre lost Sharpe.  He just took his game to a new level.  

There's a lot of ways they could muck it up. Going to be a tough three weeks. Time to find if out how good they really are.

I'm old enough to remember when the Steelers were the laughingstock of the league. They won their first division title in season number 50. Before Bob Kraft the Patriots were a terrible franchise. I always had hope that it was possible, but there's very little comfort from their history.

There's a path to the #1 seed, but it's predicated on the Cowboys collapsing. That seems unlikely given their style of play and who they face. Two good young teams learning how to win (TB then DET on MNF) at home, then they finish on the road against the imploding Eagles.

I don't think anyone expects the Lions to win out. Their current streak of 5 straight is 2 short of the longest win streaks of my lifetime - 1995 and 2010-11. They won 10 straight 1953-54 and 1934. To get to the number 1 seed, they need to finish with 8 straight wins & have Dallas lost two more times. Both are highly improbable. 

But I bring that possibility up because I don't think they can win a playoff road game with their current rushing attack. So to me, the only way to get to Houston is to host two playoff games.

Their only NFL titles (0 SB appearances) were 1935, 1952, 1953 & 1957 - they also lost the Title game in 1954. At some point their history will change, but right now they're one of four teams that have never been to a Super Bowl. Would take some serious magic to make it this year.

Amazing that almost half the league - 13/32, 41% - have never won a Super Bowl.

 

[matuski]

Anxious to see how Stafford's finger plays out.

 

[Mt. Man]

Lions fans be like "this ain't real.  This real?"  Always looking over their shoulder.  

Nah, you guys are a legit team.  Weird what losing Calvin has done to Stafford.   Reminds me of when Favre lost Sharpe.  He just took his game to a new level.  

Too much history of heartache. It was only 2013 that the Detroit seemed poised for possible playoffs, and lost their last 4. 2014 & 2011 each ended with a loss against (though at) GB Week 17, the former obviously being more costly. They win at least one of the next two and people might start to believe. Might .

It's hard to feel legit when you usually lead after 3 periods, but trail sometime in the 4th. That said, they've already done better than nearly anyone expected. Just reaching the playoffs would be a great step. Winning the division and getting a home playoff game would feel amazing. Getting a bye feels like asking for too much from this team, though the general absence of "very scary" teams throughout the league helps. We'll see. Get the division first (which is possible this week if not particularly likely) and we'll go from there.

 

[TartanLion]

I think we are basically praying that following arguably inevitable situation doesn't play out ...

We lose to the Giants and Cowboys, before losing to the Packers to hand them the division and leave us out of a wildcard spot at 9-7.

One hopes and prays this doesn't happen but it's also not exactly long odds for us to drop two tough road games then lose the big one at home against Rodgers. 

Please Lions, don't do the inevitable !

 

[zftcg]

From the descriptions I heard after the game, it sounds like he's got mallet finger (can't straighten the tip of the middle finger). If true, the treatment is basically to splint it for 6 weeks, and the tendons will grow back together. If the finger bends at any point during that healing process, it will undo any healing that's been done, and the 6 week clock restarts. There's probably a decent chance that playing in the games will cause enough physical trauma to interrupt the healing process, so I doubt it fully heals until the offseason.

I've had it, and the good news is that it isn't painful at all, and doesn't swell, so other than grip strength, it shouldn't affect his play. He'll wear the split during the games and glove to protect the splint, and should be good to play. Obviously, he has no grip strength in the tip of that finger, so he'll have to compensate with his other fingers. It will probably take a little zip off of his fastball, and make deep throws tougher (but he doesn't throw deep that frequently anyway). With time to practice the new throwing grip, he'll probably be fine.

Interesting perspective. Based on your experience, do you think the cold weather will affect the finger? Good news is this week is the only game of the remaining three where that should be a factor.

 

[jon_mx]

I think we are basically praying that following arguably inevitable situation doesn't play out ...

We lose to the Giants and Cowboys, before losing to the Packers to hand them the division and leave us out of a wildcard spot at 9-7.

One hopes and prays this doesn't happen but it's also not exactly long odds for us to drop two tough road games then lose the big one at home against Rodgers. 

Please Lions, don't do the inevitable !

A real possibility the Lions lose out. They really need to beat the Giants and get in position for the #2 spot.  Really three huge games.  The NY and GB games are both huge.  

 

[Interseptopus]

A real possibility the Lions lose out. They really need to beat the Giants and get in position for the #2 spot.  Really three huge games.  The NY and GB games are both huge.  

I predicted 1-4 finish. NO loss. But Detroit handled them pretty well. I was pretty much laughed out of here at the mere suggestion that NYG and GB could beat them. I believe the quote was:

The Packers have lost four in a row and are in free fall.

[They're not] likely to suddenly rip off a big winning streak. 

I think if Detroit beats the Giants OR GB then the division is theres. There's a very good chance GB win week 15 and 16, making week 17 a potential playoff deciding game (I really don't think either team will make it as a wild card). If Detroit beats the Giants then I think the division is safely theirs. 

 

[nysfl2]

Interesting perspective. Based on your experience, do you think the cold weather will affect the finger? Good news is this week is the only game of the remaining three where that should be a factor.

I doubt cold weather will matter much, especially with the glove. There's no pain or stiffness, you just can't straighten the tip of the finger when the injury occurs. Once the splint is applied, it will keep the finger joint extended, so you won't be able to grip the ball with the top section of that finger.

Somehow, I've managed to do this three times playing basketball.

 

[Interseptopus]

I doubt cold weather will matter much, especially with the glove. There's no pain or stiffness, you just can't straighten the tip of the finger when the injury occurs. Once the splint is applied, it will keep the finger joint extended, so you won't be able to grip the ball with the top section of that finger.

Somehow, I've managed to do this three times playing basketball.

This is pretty much dead on except for the splinting. They may go with more of a flexible splint that would allow some mobility so that he can actually grip the ball and not do his Jay Cutler impression. A flexible splint does open the chance of reinjury

 

[Leroy Hoard]

At the beginning of the year we would have taken this situation to the bank. Lets not panic quite yet.

 

[Sabertooth]

There's a lot of ways they could muck it up. Going to be a tough three weeks. Time to find if out how good they really are.

I'm old enough to remember when the Steelers were the laughingstock of the league. They won their first division title in season number 50. Before Bob Kraft the Patriots were a terrible franchise. I always had hope that it was possible, but there's very little comfort from their history.

There's a path to the #1 seed, but it's predicated on the Cowboys collapsing. That seems unlikely given their style of play and who they face. Two good young teams learning how to win (TB then DET on MNF) at home, then they finish on the road against the imploding Eagles.

I don't think anyone expects the Lions to win out. Their current streak of 5 straight is 2 short of the longest win streaks of my lifetime - 1995 and 2010-11. They won 10 straight 1953-54 and 1934. To get to the number 1 seed, they need to finish with 8 straight wins & have Dallas lost two more times. Both are highly improbable. 

But I bring that possibility up because I don't think they can win a playoff road game with their current rushing attack. So to me, the only way to get to Houston is to host two playoff games.

Their only NFL titles (0 SB appearances) were 1935, 1952, 1953 & 1957 - they also lost the Title game in 1954. At some point their history will change, but right now they're one of four teams that have never been to a Super Bowl. Would take some serious magic to make it this year.

Amazing that almost half the league - 13/32, 41% - have never won a Super Bowl.

Then again.  The ball is oblong.

 

[Interseptopus]

There's a lot of ways they could muck it up. Going to be a tough three weeks. Time to find if out how good they really are.

I'm old enough to remember when the Steelers were the laughingstock of the league. They won their first division title in season number 50. Before Bob Kraft the Patriots were a terrible franchise. I always had hope that it was possible, but there's very little comfort from their history.

There's a path to the #1 seed, but it's predicated on the Cowboys collapsing. That seems unlikely given their style of play and who they face. Two good young teams learning how to win (TB then DET on MNF) at home, then they finish on the road against the imploding Eagles.

I don't think anyone expects the Lions to win out. Their current streak of 5 straight is 2 short of the longest win streaks of my lifetime - 1995 and 2010-11. They won 10 straight 1953-54 and 1934. To get to the number 1 seed, they need to finish with 8 straight wins & have Dallas lost two more times. Both are highly improbable. 

But I bring that possibility up because I don't think they can win a playoff road game with their current rushing attack. So to me, the only way to get to Houston is to host two playoff games.

Their only NFL titles (0 SB appearances) were 1935, 1952, 1953 & 1957 - they also lost the Title game in 1954. At some point their history will change, but right now they're one of four teams that have never been to a Super Bowl. Would take some serious magic to make it this year.

Amazing that almost half the league - 13/32, 41% - have never won a Super Bowl.

Then again.  The ball is oblong.

I agree... Weirder things have happened. 2008 Giants come to mind

 

[jon_mx]

I predicted 1-4 finish. NO loss. But Detroit handled them pretty well. I was pretty much laughed out of here at the mere suggestion that NYG and GB could beat them. 

You were laughed at for the 1-4 prediction, and since they are already 2-0 you can kiss that prediction goodbye.  Now they might still lose their next three, but I think they eek out one.   Yeah, the Lions are not a great team, but there are no great teams.   

 

[Interseptopus]

You were laughed at for the 1-4 prediction, and since they are already 2-0 you can kiss that prediction goodbye.  Now they might still lose their next three, but I think they eek out one.   Yeah, the Lions are not a great team, but there are no great teams.   

Yes, but if they lose out, I was 1 penalty and an unpredictable overtime from being right  2-3 is a lot closer to 1-4 than 4-1, which is what most people in here were predicting. 

If anything, no one has been right about them. Sure, the record speaks for itself but to completely dismantle the Saints and then to come back and need the help of the refs to fend off Chicago... the fact that people were so over-confident in here is laughable. Yeah, I think they will win the division. At first I did not think so but clearly Minnesota doesn't want to win it, and Green Bay is just starting to figure themselves out, but we've see that before (see Atlanta and then what followed). 

This week will be very telling. I think you guys should be quite concerned about Stafford's injury. That is very unfortunate; he's had a great season and is undoubtedly an MVP candidate if he can finish strong (I don't think he will win though). Been a crazy season. You're right, there are no great teams. Look at the NFC... Dallas and even they are proven to be mortal... After that it's all basically the same. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

Where are these overconfidence posts Dr Brew is bringing up? Or Sunday talking about us thinking we're going deep in the playoffs. 

Maybe he keeps confusing us with other team threads. Lions fans always expect the worst. We've been conditioned to exoect failure.

(& the title is just Da Guru being silly - he's more Lionized than just about anyone.)

 

[BobbyLayne]

If you presume DAL DET SEA are division winners - not because we're overconfident, but simply because they have a 2-3 game lead, so it's a mathematical probability- that leaves six teams for three spots (2 WC & the NFC South.)

ATL 8-5 (SF @CAR NO)

NYG 9-4 (DET @PHI @WAS) 

TB 8-5 (@DAL @NO CAR)

WAS 7-5-1 (CAR @CHI PHI)

MIN 7-6 (IND @GB CHI)

GB 7-6 (@CHI MIN @DET)

DAL ends up with 13 or 14 & #1 seed

ATL, DET, NYG, SEA all get to 11 wins

TB 10

GB/MIN/WAS all end up with 9 & out



That's what I come up with playing around with the Playoff Machine at ESPN. Seems like the only way the Pack make is to keep playing perfect ROS. Which they just might do.

We'll see.

 

[jon_mx]

Yes, but if they lose out, I was 1 penalty and an unpredictable overtime from being right  2-3 is a lot closer to 1-4 than 4-1, which is what most people in here were predicting. 

If anything, no one has been right about them. Sure, the record speaks for itself but to completely dismantle the Saints and then to come back and need the help of the refs to fend off Chicago... the fact that people were so over-confident in here is laughable. Yeah, I think they will win the division. At first I did not think so but clearly Minnesota doesn't want to win it, and Green Bay is just starting to figure themselves out, but we've see that before (see Atlanta and then what followed). 

This week will be very telling. I think you guys should be quite concerned about Stafford's injury. That is very unfortunate; he's had a great season and is undoubtedly an MVP candidate if he can finish strong (I don't think he will win though). Been a crazy season. You're right, there are no great teams. Look at the NFC... Dallas and even they are proven to be mortal... After that it's all basically the same. 

Who was predicting 4-1??   Lions fans know better than that. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'll eat my sock if Detroit takes the division. not happening with that defense.

 

[BobbyLayne]

FTR, I like Dr Brew. Like most Packer fans, seems like a good guy.

But we are expecting video on New Year's Day evening.

 

[simey]

Saturday forecast is supposed to be 42-44. That's pretty comfortable but 90% chance of rain, wind 5-7. 

I hope a wet ball doesn't make things even more difficult for Stafford's injured hand.

 

[Interseptopus]

I'll eat my sock if Detroit takes the division. not happening with that defense.

did I mention I was wearing one of those edible socks that day?  

 

[BobbyLayne]

I hope a wet ball doesn't make things even more difficult for Stafford's injured hand.

I'll be at the game. Should be miserable.



I'll be tailgating with a bunch of Giants fans I met back at the 41-doughnut game almost 16 years ago. I bought a Stafford jersey just for the occasion.

 

[TartanLion]

Yes, but if they lose out, I was 1 penalty and an unpredictable overtime from being right  2-3 is a lot closer to 1-4 than 4-1, which is what most people in here were predicting.

If anything, no one has been right about them. Sure, the record speaks for itself but to completely dismantle the Saints and then to come back and need the help of the refs to fend off Chicago... the fact that people were so over-confident in here is laughable. Yeah, I think they will win the division. At first I did not think so but clearly Minnesota doesn't want to win it, and Green Bay is just starting to figure themselves out, but we've see that before (see Atlanta and then what followed). 

This week will be very telling. I think you guys should be quite concerned about Stafford's injury. That is very unfortunate; he's had a great season and is undoubtedly an MVP candidate if he can finish strong (I don't think he will win though). Been a crazy season. You're right, there are no great teams. Look at the NFC... Dallas and even they are proven to be mortal... After that it's all basically the same. 

Who was doing that ? Nobody in here was doing that. People were hopeful, maybe even a little confident that they would find a way to win 2-3 out of their last 5, but nothing more. I think you completely fail to understand the mindset of a Lions fan, to be honest. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Who was doing that ? Nobody in here was doing that. People were hopeful, maybe even a little confident that they would find a way to win 2-3 out of their last 5, but nothing more. I think you completely fail to understand the mindset of a Lions fan, to be honest. 

probably. I just got an impression of rose colored glasses. you're probably right. 

imo the only way the Lions screw up winning the division is they realize they're the Lions. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Just for the record, almost everyone in this thread predicted less wins this season than they already have.

BTW, the Vegas number at the beginning of the year was 7.

 

[The Captain]

Anxious to see how Stafford's finger plays out.

This is key. Stafford's ability to put the ball in places other QBs cannot has been a big reason he's been able to engineer many of the 4Q comebacks. If he can't do that the Lions are in trouble. 

Hoping having a week to get used to the feel/grip will help. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

CBS Top Ten this morning:

1. New England

2. Dallas

3. Kansas City

4. Detroit

5. Oakland

6. Seattle

7. Atlanta

8. NY Giants

9. Denver

10. Pittsburgh 

PFF:

1. New England Patriots   
   
2. Dallas Cowboys
   
3. Kansas City Chiefs
   
4. Oakland Raiders   
   
5. Atlanta Falcons  
   
6. Seattle Seahawks  
   
7. New York Giants  
   
8. Detroit Lions  
   
9. Pittsburgh Steelers 
   
10. Washington Redskins
    

ESPN:

1. New England Patriots   
   
2. Dallas Cowboys
   
3. Kansas City Chiefs
   
4. Oakland Raiders   
   
5. New York Giants
   
6. Atlanta Falcons  
   
7. Seattle Seahawks
   
8. Pittsburgh Steelers
   
9. Detroit Lions  
   
10. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    
    

 

[BobbyLayne]

Stafford throwing with a 1-finger glove today:

https://twitter.com/kmeinke/status/809095844205129733

Whatever setup he had seemed to work for him. Stafford took his usual diet of reps during the 20 minutes open to the media, and threw to a variety of wideouts. His short passes were crisp and on line, then he stretched out to about 40 yards before practice was closed to reporters.

Told the media this morning the game plan won't change at all. 

Ansah, Riddick and Swanson all missed practice today.

ETA: Zenner in a red jersey but was practicing. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

Greg Keesee ‏@gregkeesee  14m14 minutes ago
@kmeinke the official "Detroit vs Everybody" glove?

 

[BobbyLayne]

From the Detroit Lions Fans - NYC Chapter FB page:

I'm thinking about a Lions game that's 3 days away in the middle of December. This can only mean 1 thing, I'm dead.

 

[BobbyLayne]

No Theo Riddick

No Travis Swanson 

Flew a day early to avoid the storm

 

[BobbyLayne]

Oh man. I believe I'm suffering from the onset of early Alzheimer's.

All week I've been thinking about & made several posts (deleted) about the weather Saturday. The game is on Sunday.



As of now, rain forecast is 100% SUNDAY with temps in the mid-50s. The temp will drop into the high 40s & the rain should diminish or stop in the second half. 13-14 mph cross wind.

Similar teams in that both offenses have struggled & both defenses are playing well as of late. Edge to Detroit in Special Teams. The ability to generate pressure & create turnovers will probably be the key to the game.

 

[Futz]

I wish I had positive thoughts about this game. I do not. This is not a good matchup. On the road vs. a team fighting for a playoff spot/positioning is never a great start. Couple that with our strengths on offense (passing/pass protect) are exactly what their defense does well (secondary/rush the QB).

I will say that nothing about NYG's offense scares me (including OBJ). This game boils down to how well our defense can keep us in the game. I just see too many 3 outs on offense to make it happen.

NYG 27 Caldwells 20

 

[BobbyLayne]

I wish I had positive thoughts about this game. I do not. This is not a good matchup. On the road vs. a team fighting for a playoff spot/positioning is never a great start. Couple that with our strengths on offense (passing/pass protect) are exactly what their defense does well (secondary/rush the QB).

I will say that nothing about NYG's offense scares me (including OBJ). This game boils down to how well our defense can keep us in the game. I just see too many 3 outs on offense to make it happen.

NYG 27 Caldwells 20

Obviously I have tons of Lions fans at work, around the 'hood and at church. None of them think the Giants will win another game this year. 



This week is the battle of the pessimistic fans bases. For Detroit, it's justified - 59 years of futility, and they've lost games in every bizarre way imaginable. For Big Blue fans, I guess it's the law of diminishing returns? Maybe it's that they think know what a Super Bowl winner looks like, and think they also know a one and done team when they see one.

Tell you one thing, I'd bet the house on the under.

 

[TartanLion]

Not good that Swanson is still out, and looking like Riddick as well. 

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I was really nervous about the Saints game...much more than this one. Going back to before Thanksgiving, I thought this was the most winnable of their "tougher" games. I guess I worry more about teams with a prolific offense. I believe this will be a very close game. The Lions really need to win and I think they will. 

Lions 20, Giants 16. 

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I was really nervous about the Saints game...much more than this one. Going back to before Thanksgiving, I thought this was the most winnable of their "tougher" games. I guess I worry more about teams with a prolific offense. I believe this will be a very close game. The Lions really need to win and I think they will. 

Lions 20, Giants 16. 

Since we are Lions fans and have suffered through so many years of ineptitude, we are entitled to dream and if we are going to dream, we may as well dream big. 

With that in mind, lets assume the Lions beat the Giants (and that is not dreaming, it is definitely realistic). Dallas plays a very good and smoking hot Tampa Bay team. If Dallas loses and we win, that Dallas game could be for home field throughout the playoffs.

Even a big dreamer could never imagine that being possible. But it is.   

 

[Futz]

3000

I'd like to dream big but I just don't think they are a complete enough team unless Ansah reincarnates 2015, Levy becomes a playmaker again and Washington can slash his way to 70-80 yards a game going forward AND stay healthy. Not likely but it'll be fun to watch some important December games for a change. 

 

[Anthony Borbely]

3000

I'd like to dream big but I just don't think they are a complete enough team unless Ansah reincarnates 2015, Levy becomes a playmaker again and Washington can slash his way to 70-80 yards a game going forward AND stay healthy. Not likely but it'll be fun to watch some important December games for a change. 

There is no question the Lions have flaws. If they play well, they can definitely beat the Giants. I don't expect them to win at Dallas but it sure would be fun to watch that game if we beat the Giants and Tampa Bay beats Dallas. It is beyond belief to even think about that being possible. 

Realistically, the Lions-Packers game will probably decide the division. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

Since we are Lions fans and have suffered through so many years of ineptitude, we are entitled to dream and if we are going to dream, we may as well dream big. 

With that in mind, lets assume the Lions beat the Giants (and that is not dreaming, it is definitely realistic). Dallas plays a very good and smoking hot Tampa Bay team. If Dallas loses and we win, that Dallas game could be for home field throughout the playoffs.

Even a big dreamer could never imagine that being possible. But it is.   

I just saw a national group (maybe NBC sports not sure) where 6 out of 8 X-spurts expect Big Blue to win. Even in the Lions hometown papers, 3/4 or 4/5 expect the NYG to prevail. Fine by me. I hope the Lions players see that & it fires them up.

Keep saying we're not good enough.

We'll just keep pointing at the 0:00 scoreboard every week. 

 

[loser]

Go Bears? :barf:

 

[Da Guru]

Eric Ebron is worthless...the guy has some skill but he can`t block at all and he is a losing type of player.  If you watched the game close today not only did he have another huge drop but he gives up on plays and was blown up at the line 4-5 times when a decent block could have netted some positive yards.

Why was Stafford still throwing and running from the Lion 30 with 20 seconds left down by 2 scores? That late hit could have taken him out. Stafford is tough as nails though...

 

[Futz]

It was a very winnable game. Unfortunately, too many costly and self inflicted errors to overcome. Key drops, too many secondary guys not looking back for the ball when they had an opportunity to make a play and just not enough from the running game. Washington just doesn't have the vision or patience to be a starting NFL RB at this point. He left a lot of yards on the field if he would just see the entire field a little better. I think he would be a much better change of pace back used in certain packages like Antone Smith was used with ATL once upon a time. Abdullah would have made a big difference in this game. Ahh well...it was expected. If you want the division, you are going to have to earn it.

 

[Futz]

Eric Ebron is worthless...the guy has some skill but he can`t block at all and he is a losing type of player.  If you watched the game close today not only did he have another huge drop but he gives up on plays and was blown up at the line 4-5 times when a decent block could have netted some positive yards.

Why was Stafford still throwing and running from the Lion 30 with 20 seconds left down by 2 scores? That late hit could have taken him out. Stafford is tough as nails though...

Ebron has physical gifts but I do tend to agree that at this stage of his career, he's a losing type of player. 3rd and 2 and he runs a 0 yard route and gets tackled immediately at a pivotal point of the game. He also heard footsteps and dropped another important 3rd down play. He reminds me so much of Vernon Davis it's scary. He flashes but doesn't make the simple yet winning plays in a game. You just hope he puts it all together at one point but it may not be here.

I don't think you see any of the top QBs sitting when they are in a 2 score or less deficit. Stranger things have happened. This team obviously misses Theo. He's the chain mover. 

 

[msudaisy26]

Ebron has physical gifts but I do tend to agree that at this stage of his career, he's a losing type of player. 3rd and 2 and he runs a 0 yard route and gets tackled immediately at a pivotal point of the game. He also heard footsteps and dropped another important 3rd down play. He reminds me so much of Vernon Davis it's scary. He flashes but doesn't make the simple yet winning plays in a game. You just hope he puts it all together at one point but it may not be here.

I don't think you see any of the top QBs sitting when they are in a 2 score or less deficit. Stranger things have happened. This team obviously misses Theo. He's the chain mover. 

You mean Vernon Davis at the beginning of his career right? That guy was awesome after Singeltary jumped all over him. The year Crabtree got hurt Davis was awesome, I remember him having some monster games in the playoffs too. I think one of the games he caught the game winning touchdown against the Saints.