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2025 Detroit Lions: 4-1 Lions win battle of the big cats. (222 Viewers)

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2:28 PM · Dec 8, 2021

 
The Lions are set to run the table the rest of the season 😂

They have a legit chance against 3 of their remaining 5 opponents

4-2 down the stretch would be a nice start going into next year. Not sure what kind of Draft Capital the Lions are working with but they should continue to build out the OL, get some OG prospects to push and also build depth as they suffered a pretty big injury at Center this season, could be the difference in several of these narrow losses they suffered over the last month. If they had won those game we would be talking about a Lions team heading more towards 7-10 than 2-14-1 or whatever folks think they will end up. 

 
Hey Lions fans, question about this week's running back carousel with Swift out and Jamaal Williams on Covid list.

Godwin Igwebuike or Jermar Jefferson?  Jefferson did miss weeks 11 and 12 with a high ankle sprain, but did play last week against Minnesota.  (8 snaps for Jefferson yielding 5 touches, 28 snaps for Igwebuike yielding 3 touches).

 
Hey Lions fans, question about this week's running back carousel with Swift out and Jamaal Williams on Covid list.

Godwin Igwebuike or Jermar Jefferson?  Jefferson did miss weeks 11 and 12 with a high ankle sprain, but did play last week against Minnesota.  (8 snaps for Jefferson yielding 5 touches, 28 snaps for Igwebuike yielding 3 touches).
For week 14 desperation plays,  Jermar at RB & St. Brown at WR.  Can't guarantee anything but they should at least get touches.

 
Detroit Lions have ruled out: Okwara, JRM and Swift. 

Hockenson is doubtful.

Questionable list is lengthy: Brockers, Bryant, C. Harris, Jackson, McNeill, Onwuzurike, Patterson, Nelson, Penisini, Sewell, Vaitai and Williams. 

ETA: Nick Williams

 
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On Sunday the Lions could be missing:

EDGE Trey Flowers (IR)
EDGE Romeo Okwara (IR)
EDGE Austin Bryant (shoulder)
EDGE Julian Okwara (ankle - ruled out) 

That will force either Jessie Lemonier (made NFL debut on Thanksgiving) or Rashod Berry (made NFL debut last week) into starting lineup.

 
Detroit Lions have ruled out: Okwara, JRM and Swift. 

Hockenson is doubtful.

Questionable list is lengthy: Brockers, Bryant, C. Harris, Jackson, McNeill, Onwuzurike, Patterson, Nelson, Penisini, Sewell, Vaitai and Williams. 

ETA: Nick Williams
I know Denver isn't exactly great, but how in the hell are the Lions going to win this game?

 
I know Denver isn't exactly great, but how in the hell are the Lions going to win this game?
That’s the injuries. Half the team had the flu and missed 1-2 practices. They split the squad up all week, with defense of practicing in the morning & offense in the afternoon (or something like that.)

I’m expecting them to be completely out of sorts and start poorly. Oh, wait….we already do that every week.

 
Hey Lions fans, question about this week's running back carousel with Swift out and Jamaal Williams on Covid list.

Godwin Igwebuike or Jermar Jefferson?  Jefferson did miss weeks 11 and 12 with a high ankle sprain, but did play last week against Minnesota.  (8 snaps for Jefferson yielding 5 touches, 28 snaps for Igwebuike yielding 3 touches).
Igwebuike took over the pass catching role last week. They didn’t utilize him (1 catch) but look at routes run:

Iggy 24

Williams 9

Jefferson 2

He’s dynamic in space. Good returner, earlier this year has the longest run for a TD (42 yards) since Barry Sanders.

Snaps will likely be close but I expect Godwin to lead the RBs in touches.

 
Cross posting from another thread:

Snaps & Alignment: 

Swift 461 snaps, 31 outside, 19 slot 8 tight/wing

Williams 238 snaps, 6 out, 4 slot, 2 wing

Igwebuike 46 snaps, 8 outside, 1 slot, 2 wing

Jefferson 24 snaps, all at RB

In percentage terms, that’s Swift 12.58%, Williams 5.04%, Igwebuike 23.91%, Jefferson 0.00% lined up at receiver positions.

Caveat: TINY sample sizes for the 3rd & 4th stringer.

Practice squad RB Craig Reynolds had a good preseason as a runner and will be active Sunday. At 225 he conceivable could be the short yardage back but I expect him to be strictly break glass in case of emergency.

ETA: Reynolds was in a KR battle with Igwebuike this summer. He’ll probably handle those duties Sunday.

 
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This phenomenon of being called a troll when you tell the truth about a bad team is odd. If you are looking for people to fawn over a bad 1-10-1 team and not criticize their ever loving failure, thats what it seems is par for the course for Lions fans. Imagine actually trying to find good in this awful franchise. "Dont talk bad about my bad team I dont hold accountable by still going to games and buying merch." Got it.  Why go after a first place team for no reason? They know what it takes to win, clearly. Sorry you are a fan of a bad team and franchise and you take it personally. 

Imagine if you went after your teams ownership the way you went at someone telling the truth about your team.

Not a fan of personal insults, but since we are being honest, I think the "little boys" are those who don't know how to hold their team to higher standards and celebrate their first win in December.

To be fair, this team isnt worthy of being talked about in any positive fashion and the fanbase is clearly the problem as well.


This is a weirdly large effort and personal investment you are putting into trolling a team you don't consider worthy of talking about.

 
Lions up to 6 players on reserve/COVID-19 as CBs Ifeatu Melifonwu, Mark Gilbert join list

Detroit is in trouble everywhere on the roster.

They have have exactly two healthy Cornerbacks (both starters.) EDGE starter will either be a guy who made his NFL debut on Thanksgiving or a guy who will be making his debut. No idea who is the slot corner.

3 corners on the practice squad and the deadline to elevate is 4pm, so we will likely hear soon what they did to shore things up.

Half the team missed at one practice and quite a few missed 2 of the 3 bc if the flu outbreak. Didn’t have a full squad practice all week as they were trying to contain it.

I have no confidence they’ll lose by less than 30 tomorrow. Bet the farm on Denver

 
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Leroy Hoard said:
Igwebuike is also in play, I would expect both RBs to get some action.


Iggy runs hard and is showing some promise.  But Jefferson was too.  RB position seems set for awhile

 
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Too be fair, the worst team in the sport is always worthy talking about, and its not effort as much as defending myself of personal insults to fanboys of a 1-10-1 team. 

But lets be honest, Lions fans are a different breed. They attack the people spitting truth instead of hating their 1-10-1 team that has never done anything for them or their city except take their tax dollars to build a stadium. But keep on pretending you are a great group of fans, as you tolerate losing for over 50 years. 

Barry and Calvin wanna remind you of how great your ownership is. 

What's weird is why do I appear to care more about this team getting better ownership than any of you who claim to be fans? Whats also weird is acting like talking football on this site is weird.  

I know you guys are embarrassed and ashamed of your team, deal with it.

Oh, full disclosure: Im a Lions fan. I just am tired and ashamed of my fellow Lions fans who are the reason we dont get better because you lot keep spending money.  People act like they have to defend their favorite teams because its what they think good fans do. No, not me.

Maybe if we had more fans like me who didnt tolerate this nonsense and talked up a lame win as a huge accomplishment when all it did was could have hurt our drafts tick for next year is disingenuous. 

I read back, there are people who actually though Campbell was a good hire. My lord. Thats what Im talking about, this fan base of ours is so shell shocked on what winning looks like they though a guy who knows nothing but losing would help a losing team win. The irony as so many in Detroit get a winner like Caldwell and run him out. 


Without reading this long block of words.. you appear to be contradicting yourself. 

Which is it, not worth talking about -  or do you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to talk about it?  Like a lot.

 
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Too be fair, the worst team in the sport is always worthy talking about, and its not effort as much as defending myself of personal insults to fanboys of a 1-10-1 team. 

But lets be honest, Lions fans are a different breed. They attack the people spitting truth instead of hating their 1-10-1 team that has never done anything for them or their city except take their tax dollars to build a stadium. But keep on pretending you are a great group of fans, as you tolerate losing for over 50 years. 

Barry and Calvin wanna remind you of how great your ownership is. 

What's weird is why do I appear to care more about this team getting better ownership than any of you who claim to be fans? Whats also weird is acting like talking football on this site is weird.  

I know you guys are embarrassed and ashamed of your team, deal with it.


Obviously you don`t know Lions fans.  They have been calling for different ownership for as long as I can remember.  The Fords who are billionaires are never selling the team so that is a fruitless  discussion. 

Make no mistake the Fords want to win as bad as any NFL team.  They just don`t know how to go about it. So we the people who live in metro-detroit have to hope for any sliver of success.

My two daughters in their 20s  are huge sports fans are already Lionized. 

I don`t know what to say other than the Cubs finally won a World Series after 108 years, Red Sox had and 86 year drought and it may take the Lions as long. We would be happy with one playoff win.    

It might not be in my lifetime but hopefully they do get to the Superbowl at least once.

 
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Iggy runs hard and is showing some promise.  But Jefferson was too.  RB position seems set for awhile
Both have looked good though of course small sample size.

Rooting for Igwebuike, he’s 27 so not too many shots left for him. But who knows, Logan Thomas switched from QB to TE when he was with Detroit, broke out at 29 or 30, got WFT to give him a big increase for 3 years. Most of these guys chase the dream for years & never get that life changing, generational wealth deal.

I always root for athletes to get paid bc fringe guys are a long shot to ever see that.

 
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Denver’s outside corners are good but not awesome in coverage

the nickel and the two safeties are a ##### to throw against though

Browning & Young are piss poor in coverage, maybe getting an Iggy or Brock matchup with one of the ILB is one of the few things we can exploit

even without Swift & Williams, s/b able to run on them - we got some road  graders up front

but gonna be tough sledding in the passing game 

just feels like it’s gonna start bad & snowball quickly - the injuries, flu outbreak & 6 going to Covid made for (easily) the worst week of of practice all year

they're so undermanned, gonna like the Frosh-JV game 

we’re missing almost half our front 7 rotation, our best DB, and the only two genuine playmakers 

ugly ugly ugly

 
There can't be leagues like this, can there?  I wouldn't even ask if I hadn't seen guys lobbying for points for targets and PI and such.
AFAIK nope 

Amon-Ra is a really good blocker, and just a really smart football player. not your typical rookie, came in with a pretty well rounded skill set and serious about his job.. he has limitations as a WR but should be one of those guys who is in the league a long time bc he is so fundamentally sound.

I don’t foresee him ever being a WR1 but he’s carved out a solid role. who knows, if the Lions upgrade the QB position in 2023, maybe they’ll unlock his upside.

for this year he’s at best a WR4/Flex option for FF purposes. doesn’t run too many vertical routes and his YAC is underwhelming. still, pretty decent rookie year considering he was the 17th WR off the board.

 
Anybody know if Jamaal Williams is vaccinated? Trying to figure if he's likely out just this week, or next week as well. 


I’ve only seen “unknown” reported.

Up to 7 on Covid restricted list now. Cornerbacks Ifeatu Melifonwu and Mark Gilbert, linebacker Tavante Beckett, running back Jamaal Williams, safety Tracy Walker, cornerback Bobby Price and center Evan Brown.

 
I disagree entirely. The Fords have no interest in winning, they have money wrapped up in so many other ventures. Give us Detroits own Dan Gilbert as an owner, just as an example as others would even be good. He knows what it takes to please the fanbase at all costs including humbling himself for a crown to give a king. See how the Fords handled Calvin and Barry. I need no other proof or evidence of which there is plenty.

Come on with the bolded...there are few and always exceptions, but ask yourself if ownership like this would still own a team in NYC or Philly. Those fanbases are ruthless and they won SBs, NYC or Philly radio would have organized big protests. But, its a hypothetical since there is no franchise like our beloved Lions. I know the fanbase well as a whole, we cry about new ownership yet still almost pack the house. I have had discussions with people who do this exact thing? What else is there to do in the Winter? The Lions fans love the tailgate more than the game. Take a drive down Woodward, you know what I mean. Remember how Lions fans would drive all the way to the Silverdome even in their terrible years after Barry. Through the snow? Lions fans are loyal, and thats the point, too loyal to never take a stand for the helmet you cheer for. I get Lions fans are offended by my resistance to being happy about a single win that did nothing but hurt a team. Im shocked people were cheering for this team to win when any win can cost us Hutch or the BPA and maybe trading down. I can easily say, you are no fan if you are happy they won a game. Lions are the only NFC team more than 2 games out of the playoffs, even with that awesome win. But Lion luck now, they will go on a streak and hurt themselves. But hey, they get 3rd pick and hurt themselves, and when we watch the draft in April, you will regret these lame December wins like we always do. Bigger picture should matter to fans, especially Lions fans who are always used to it.

How have they not organized a complete no show to a game? How? That protest say even two games in a row would upend the ownership and force them to sell as that has never been seen before in professional sports. And if a big city of Detroit with big means to communicate can organize something like that, no city ever will. How can the passion of this city for a team that never performs never show its loyalty in a way that demands change. 

I always bang the drum of do not go to games until the fords sell. If Detroit did that the rest of this year, you would have a new owner by the draft. NFL would not allow one of its teams to be the one team without fans because of ownership.


The Fords are never going to sell.  There are a lot of people with a lot of disposable income in Metro-Detroit.  If they want to piss away their money on the Lions that is up to them.

I go to 3-4 games a season and have not purchased a ticket in 20 years. I would never buy tickets. So many business and suppliers buy season tickets and give them away.

So the Lions and the Ford are going nowhere.

 
Teddy Bridgewater on Dan Campbell:

“I was able to spend those two years with him in New Orleans. Whenever he stood in front of the team and talked, you’re ready to just storm out of that meeting and punch a guy in the face for no reason. Dan is awesome."

 
Teddy Bridgewater on Dan Campbell:

“I was able to spend those two years with him in New Orleans. Whenever he stood in front of the team and talked, you’re ready to just storm out of that meeting and punch a guy in the face for no reason. Dan is awesome."


Sounds like he needed Dan to tell him to at least try and make a tackle on two INTs he absolutely quit on in the last month, even though he clearly could have made stops.  That's desire only Dan could give him I guess.

 
Teddy Bridgewater on Dan Campbell:

“I was able to spend those two years with him in New Orleans. Whenever he stood in front of the team and talked, you’re ready to just storm out of that meeting and punch a guy in the face for no reason. Dan is awesome."


I don`t like DC calling plays but would want DC with me in a bar fight for sure.

 
I disagree entirely. The Fords have no interest in winning, they have money wrapped up in so many other ventures. Give us Detroits own Dan Gilbert as an owner, just as an example as others would even be good. He knows what it takes to please the fanbase at all costs including humbling himself for a crown to give a king. See how the Fords handled Calvin and Barry. I need no other proof or evidence of which there is plenty.

Come on with the bolded...there are few and always exceptions, but ask yourself if ownership like this would still own a team in NYC or Philly. Those fanbases are ruthless and they won SBs, NYC or Philly radio would have organized big protests. But, its a hypothetical since there is no franchise like our beloved Lions. I know the fanbase well as a whole, we cry about new ownership yet still almost pack the house. I have had discussions with people who do this exact thing? What else is there to do in the Winter? The Lions fans love the tailgate more than the game. Take a drive down Woodward, you know what I mean. Remember how Lions fans would drive all the way to the Silverdome even in their terrible years after Barry. Through the snow? Lions fans are loyal, and thats the point, too loyal to never take a stand for the helmet you cheer for. I get Lions fans are offended by my resistance to being happy about a single win that did nothing but hurt a team. Im shocked people were cheering for this team to win when any win can cost us Hutch or the BPA and maybe trading down. I can easily say, you are no fan if you are happy they won a game. Lions are the only NFC team more than 2 games out of the playoffs, even with that awesome win. But Lion luck now, they will go on a streak and hurt themselves. But hey, they get 3rd pick and hurt themselves, and when we watch the draft in April, you will regret these lame December wins like we always do. Bigger picture should matter to fans, especially Lions fans who are always used to it.

How have they not organized a complete no show to a game? How? That protest say even two games in a row would upend the ownership and force them to sell as that has never been seen before in professional sports. And if a big city of Detroit with big means to communicate can organize something like that, no city ever will. How can the passion of this city for a team that never performs never show its loyalty in a way that demands change. 

I always bang the drum of do not go to games until the fords sell. If Detroit did that the rest of this year, you would have a new owner by the draft. NFL would not allow one of its teams to be the one team without fans because of ownership.
:yawn:

 
I’ve only seen “unknown” reported.

Up to 7 on Covid restricted list now. Cornerbacks Ifeatu Melifonwu and Mark Gilbert, linebacker Tavante Beckett, running back Jamaal Williams, safety Tracy Walker, cornerback Bobby Price and center Evan Brown.
They only have 2 CBs left on their active roster. The rest will be from the practice squad. 

 
When Goff wasn't getting his ball batted down, he was overthrowing open receivers.

I thought it was a good effort by the Lions but with all those mistakes at key times that kill drives.

Gordon Iggy fumble was a difference maker.

 
Great motivator for sure, just hope they get a quality OC next year to make the actual play calls.


DC the HC would fire DC the play caller. DC going for on 4th and 1 in Lions territory with game still in reach is reason to be fired. DC does nothing to put the team in position to win calling plays.

What is OC Anthony Lynn doing now?

 
The Lions were so outmanned that today's game was not a surprise. 

The good news is we are still in first place in the draft standings.  :thumbup:

 
Draft standings (yes we are FIRST at something)  :lol:

1. Detroit 1-11-1

2. Jacksonville 2-11

3. Houston 2-11

4. NY Jets 3-10

Jacksonville plays Houston this week so one of those 2 will have 3 wins. The Jags also play the Jets in week 16. 

Basically if the Lions win 1 game they are guaranteed to pick no lower than 2nd and thus would be guaranteed to get either Thibodeau or Hutchinson. They really need to get that game wrecking edge rusher and either of these 2 would provide that. I'm not really seeing a win on their schedule though but we'll see. 

 
I'm not really seeing a win on their schedule though but we'll see. 
Atlanta worries me, they could lose to anyone. Seahawks made David Mills look like a stud. Both road games but we almost won at Vikings, Steelers, Browns and played the Rams tough. Eagles & Broncos were blowouts and 49ers game wasn’t as close as the final score, but on the whole, pretty decent road team.

OK…0-6-1…but still good on the relative Lions scale.

 
Have to watch the condensed replay, but impressions from just the radio & Red Zone…

First half: punt, 70 yard drive TD, 57 yard drive FG, punt. Not bad offense with how depleted they were. Disappointing giving up the late FG but they forced a few punts, good showing so far.

10-17, get the ball first to open the 2nd half. Score there and we got a ballgame.

2nd play, Igwebuike fumble. Denver takes advantage of the short field, 36 yard drive TD. OK, gonna be an uphill battle but one play and we’re in this thing.

Sack, whatever, 3rd & 22 hit Reynolds for a 20 yarder. 4th & 2 at our own 33, let’s not be stupid here. Game is still winnable.

And for…I’ve lost count, 3rd/4th/5th time, Campbell goes for it on 4th inside their own 40 (actually 33 yard line.) Just freaking handed the game to Fangio on a silver platter. 4 plays, 33 yards, TD, have you tried the queso blanco yet bc this thing is over.

Love our HC the motivator. Hate our HC the in game  decision maker.

He has to do better.

 
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