Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Wade Phillips would be a great hire. But as you said, it's too much to expect from the Lions. Gotta give that 3 win HC full control, right?
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Moonlight
Footballguy
Wade Phillips would be a great hire based on past performance. If Lions draft a slew of defensive players to go with him, I would have some hope for next year with a healthy Stafford.Rams fire Wade Phillips. His rumored replacement? Joe Barry.
On behalf of Lions fans everywhere, may I be the first to say
Raging weasel
Footballguy
I thought he was the coach who went to Wendy's drive thru naked but had the wrong Joe(Cullen).Rams fire Wade Phillips. His rumored replacement? Joe Barry.
On behalf of Lions fans everywhere, may I be the first to say
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I don't know, being the DC of the first-ever 0-16 team seems like it might be more embarrassing.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
why would the Rams do that? they let Suh walk....cost emRams fire Wade Phillips. His rumored replacement? Joe Barry.
On behalf of Lions fans everywhere, may I be the first to say
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well people could get antsy and trade with the Redskins for Tua, maybe rivera doesn't like Haskins? and wants Tua? or they take chase young? Or Young slides to Lions?
Tua could also be damaged goods
whoknew
Footballguy
If people trade up to 2 to get Tua - that's great too. We just take Chase Young.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
quinn and matty probably think chase doesnt fit the system....i count on them to mess it up
Nah, they'll follow the patented Lions move of drafting him, wasting his talent for years, and leaving him so frustrated that he retires early just to get away from the team.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Sometimes I think NFL stands for Nepotism Favoritism League, at least in the coaching ranks.Rams fire Wade Phillips. His rumored replacement? Joe Barry.
On behalf of Lions fans everywhere, may I be the first to say
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
For sure but I somewhat understand. When your job depends on your assistants they want to hire someone they know and trust.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Speaking of Matt Rhule IMO he's the type of coach the Lions should have wanted to take a chance on. He rebuilt a perennial doghouse Temple into a champion and then built up the Baylor program.
When you decide to retain Quinn/Patricia you lose the chance to hire someone else who is out there who may be excellent coach and turn the Lions around.
I mentioned P.J. Fleck earlier as a coach the Lions should be interested in. He made Western Michigan successful and had a Cotton Bowl appearance. This year he turned Minnesota into a team to be reckoned with defeating Auburn in their bowl game.
For better or for worse I favor the idea of bringing in some one who has shown they can turn losing programs around. The Lions need someone with a strong personality who can sell that the future doesn't need to be the past.
Also Rivera was available and he has had success in the NFL.
When you decide to retain Quinn/Patricia you lose the chance to hire someone else who is out there who may be excellent coach and turn the Lions around.
I mentioned P.J. Fleck earlier as a coach the Lions should be interested in. He made Western Michigan successful and had a Cotton Bowl appearance. This year he turned Minnesota into a team to be reckoned with defeating Auburn in their bowl game.
For better or for worse I favor the idea of bringing in some one who has shown they can turn losing programs around. The Lions need someone with a strong personality who can sell that the future doesn't need to be the past.
Also Rivera was available and he has had success in the NFL.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'll agree on Rivera, as he has the NFL experience. College guys can be a stretch sometimes.
Moonlight
Footballguy
That's right you do not know if the college guys will translate. One thing for Fleck is he has NFL player experience.
On the other hand a lot of NFL coaches get retread into new positions when taking a chance on something new may be the better option.
McDaniels for example. He is a candidate for the Browns job.
But you know Marvin Lewis is still out there and he consistently won despite of the ownership dysfunction.
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TwinTurbo
Footballguy
yeah but the league just continues to reward mediocrity from coaches who only got that first chance because of a family connection.
It's one thing to want to work with people you know and trust. It's another thing for those people to continue to get repeated chances after failing miserably the first and second and third time.
One potential piece of good news for the Lions from this offseason: With only the Cleveland vacancy remaining to be filled, there will be some good coaching candidates (Bienemy, Roman) left without a partner when the music stops. Considering that there's a very good chance Patricia doesn't make it to the end of next season, Detroit may have a head start in hiring one of them.
OK, maybe that's not "good" so much as "I'll take it".
OK, maybe that's not "good" so much as "I'll take it".
Serious question: Have there been any blatant nepotism hires where the guy was clearly incompetent? I can think of lots of guys who probably benefited from family connections (Kyle Shananan, McVay, Rex Ryan) but those guys have all done pretty well on their own. Even someone like Jay Gruden, who was a mediocre HC, got the Washington job because he was solid as Cinci OC (ie, not a job he got from his brother). I read something once about how Mike Shanahan refused to hire Kyle on his staff until he had produced a Top 10 offense on his own, which he did at Houston. It was only at that point that he brought him to Washington.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still generally opposed to nepotism in all forms, and you make a key point above with the phrase "first chance". How many guys who might have been talented coaches never made it through the door because they didn't have a dad or a brother willing to open it for them? (Even in that Shanahan anecdote I related above, Kyle's first OC job was under Kubiak, who had played and coached under Mike.) Still, I'm having trouble thinking of any cases where a mediocre coach got a job solely, or even mostly, because of nepotism. Or to put it another way, you could wave a wand and make all nepotism disappear tomorrow and there would still be lots of mediocre retreads being hired.
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matuski
Footballguy
Why would a college coach like Rhule even consider a spot like Detroit?
Cush decades long secure multi-million dollar gig versus a 2-3 year long suicide.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
College coach's do get burned out by the year round recruiting now. It does get tiresome begging 16-17-18 year old kids to please attend your school and play football for you.
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Plus these guys are all hyper-competitive, and they want to prove they can succeed at the highest level. I doubt Saban ever goes back to the NFL, but if he does that will be the reason.
Now as to why you would leave college to take a job with the Lions, well yeah, that would be more of a head scratcher.
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matuski
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Well there would be low expectations and after Quinntricia if you go 8-8 everybody is giddy. Plus the Fords are probably the least demanding owners of their HC in the NFL.Plus these guys are all hyper-competitive, and they want to prove they can succeed at the highest level. I doubt Saban ever goes back to the NFL, but if he does that will be the reason.
Now as to why you would leave college to take a job with the Lions, well yeah, that would be more of a head scratcher.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
matuski
Footballguy
I'm not sure I buy this. There is a reason Detroit has never attracted a top caliber guy.
Would Mooch be the highest profile get?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Mooch was highly regarded at the time but never coached again after. Bobby Ross came in highly regarded and quit. Plus it seems every time there has been good coaches available the Lions are already committed to their HC.
Now Quinntricia has expectations to make the playoffs or else. Who will want to join a staff that will most likely be fired after next season? Plus after next year Stafford will be going into his 13th season and has had broken bones in his back 2 years in a row. I would not be surprised at all if Stafford retired before his deal is up. Stafford has made more $$$$ that any NFL player as he came in under the old deal as the #1 pick, his wife has had a brain tumor, and he might just say screw it. I want to be able to walk when I am 40.
The Captain
Footballguy
Just following up on this, Matt Rhule was asked this very question at his introductory press conference: https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1215008504643235841
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes and every coordinator that ever "coached" Tom Brady and Peyton Manning getting multiple chances to fail with lesser QBs.
Foosball God
Foos
I'm a WMU alumni so I'm about as big a Fleck fan as there is, but imo he would not be a good NFL coach. His approach is great for the college game but I don't think it would go over as well with paid professionals.
Foosball God
Foos
I'm actually on board with this assuming medicals come back OK, but it's a risky move and the defense needs a ton of help. I guess I just hate the idea of taking a CB at #3.The Captain said:
Raging weasel
Footballguy
The Lions need to either draft Tua at 3 or convince the rest of the league they are going to take him there to maximize trade offers. If healthy, taking Tua would be a no-brainer for the long term outlook of the team but with Quinn having to "win now" to keep his job probably not something he will do.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
That's the problem if Martha is serious about Q & P being on the hot seat. I think they draft what they consider the BPA that can help them now at #3 as well as #35.
Yep. We are screwed. No way they draft for the future. "Who can help save our butts?!?"
The Captain
Footballguy
Agree. It’s highly unlikely the Lions will draft Tua but they better make the league think they will. If Quinn at any point indicates that we don’t need a quarter back because we have Stafford, he should be fired on the spot.
Not totally disagreeing with you on the logic of it, but I still say there's no way a team with a 32-year-old franchise QB drafts his replacement with the third pick. These guys feel threatened when their teams pick anyone even within sniffing distance of being their eventual replacement. Hell, Ben got ticked off when the Steelers drafted Mason Rudolph in the 5th round! (If only he had known he had nothing to worry about.)
If you pick Tua at 3, you're basically announcing that Stafford is gone within a year (similar to KC with Smith/Mahomes). The difference, of course, is that Andy Reid had job security when he did that (and as it turned out, Smith handled it like a pro and KC made the playoffs). I don't see Quinntricia pulling a move like that in their make-or-break season.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Fleck does have pro football experience which would be of help in relating to the players and perhaps would tailor his approach to them. I'm not saying he's an ideal fit but Lions need someone with a strong personality who can establish a culture of winning and accountability. Whether its Fleck or an NFL coach with a history of winning the Lions need a whole lot of energy and belief in the future to overcome "the same old Lions" culture that oozes from the fanbase and organization.
Its a #######g disgrace to attend a Lions home game and have fans from GB and Chicago cheering louder than Lion fans.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Flecks next move will be to an SEC school. maybe he puts Tennessee or Florida back on the map, or replaces Kelly at ND.
He is going to have Minnesota in the a big10 title game before Harbaugh does have Michigan in one.
He is going to have Minnesota in the a big10 title game before Harbaugh does have Michigan in one.
The Captain
Footballguy
As a wolverine fan it pains to say I agree completely. Wish Michigan has hired him.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
How about Michigan in the West? It's right there in the song,
Hail! Hail! To Michigan
The Champions of the West!
