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2025 Detroit Lions: 4-1 Lions win battle of the big cats. (52 Viewers)

Another strong day for Dylan Drummond, the UDFA out of EMU. He has been stacking up great day after great day. Goff ran out of adjectives talking about him today. Amongst the WRs, he's been behind only ARSB and Raymond in terms of consistency. He was not a priority signing after the draft but was invited to rookie minicamp to tryout. Impressed them enough to earn a spot on the 90 man, and he's been on an upward trajectory ever since.

Super long odds to make the 53-man, though he does play special teams. He is in sync with Goff and can't imagine having a better advocate than the guy running the show heaping praise on him.
 
I can't believe it. I just went through the teams in the NFC, and the Lions are the third-best team there if you ask me. Maybe Seattle is there.

But you've got Philly, SF, and then who?

:stalker: I think I see me a contender, and I ain't...lion.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Charlie Brown.
Seattle is there IMO. I think ATL outperforms and Dallas will have their moments before collapsing. If Fields improves dramatically CHI could pose a problem. BUT, Detroit is potentially right there. It is prove it time for this club as I do not remember the last time we had national hype. I have not been this excited for a season to start in a long time.
Dallas has back-to-back 12-win seasons, is better than Detroit at QB/WR and has a FAR better defense. I like the Atlanta shout out, no reason at all they don't take the South. As much as I'd love the Bears to take that step, the defense might be as bad as anyone in the league.

Just in the division, I think people are being way too dismissive of Minnesota. Sure, they weren't as good as their record last season, but they were still a good team, and have pretty much improved across the board other than DL. Other than Cousins and H. Smith, they are a very young team. Perhaps most importantly, they replaced the worst DC in the NFL, with Brian Flores who many regard as an elite DC.

It is an exciting time to be a Lions fan, probably the most hype they've had since at least Caldwell's 1st year, when the Lions had the #2 defense in the NFL. Hopefully they don't fall to the weight of expectations like they did then.
By what measure was Prescott a better QB than Goff last year . Looking over the stats for both Goff was superior.

As to WR this will depend on what happens with Jameson Williams. If
he hits Dallas’ lead at WR is not there. And for TE I’ll take LaPorta over Ferguson.

For defense the Lions will considerably close some of the gap between them and Dallas. Thinking the Lions will be as bad this year is not noticing the FA and draft additions and development of their young talent.

And what happened in the Jim Caldwell era has no bearing on the present organization. New owner, new GM and new coaches.
 
WR Dylan Drummond had 1 NFL tryout. Now he’s a darkhorse to make Lions roster.

This is from a few days ago, but man Drummond is in everyone's tweets from the joint practice today. Lions beats, local media, the Giants beats, national media. Dude had a monster day, and he's had a few of those now. Completely out of left field.
Really strange. Sometimes there are spring training stars in baseball that fizzle once the season starts. But hoping he’s like Roy Hobbs a guy who comes out of nowhere to be a star.
 
WR Dylan Drummond had 1 NFL tryout. Now he’s a darkhorse to make Lions roster.

This is from a few days ago, but man Drummond is in everyone's tweets from the joint practice today. Lions beats, local media, the Giants beats, national media. Dude had a monster day, and he's had a few of those now. Completely out of left field.
Really strange. Sometimes there are spring training stars in baseball that fizzle once the season starts. But hoping he’s like Roy Hobbs a guy who comes out of nowhere to be a star.

I don’t think there’s much there there. He has a really poor RAS (3.66), five years of middling production as a rotational WR at a MAC school. The raw materials aren’t great.

It’s a terrific story that he’s earned some reps and is currently outplaying vets and a very high profile first rounder. Local kid, what’s not to like? But he’s basically this years version of Tom Kennedy or Jace Billingsley.

Right? This can’t be real. Best WR on either team today is wild stuff.
 
Observations from Connor Hughes of Sports NY
@Connor_J_Hughes

First day of #Giants - #Lions joint practices are over. Couple quick thoughts

- It was a bad day for the offense. Specifically Daniel Jones. It might have been the worst he's been all camp. In the five full-field, 11-on-11 drills Jones was 5 of 12 passing with a sack. There was a play he rolled out right and just threw a prayer up for Parris Campbell that C.J. Gardner Johnson should have picked off. It wasn't good.

- Here's the thing about Jones' day, assuming you're looking for a silver lining: The guys were there. It was the quarterback who was off. This wasn't like he was running for his life or taking coverage sack after coverage sack, as usually happens when truly overmatched. Jones' receivers were open. He simply missed the throws because he was wildly erratic. Even the completions looks challenging. Another silver lining; That's very uncommon for Jones this summer. I think this likely had to do with the fact this was the first different defense he's since since that playoff-eliminating loss to the Eagles. There were two bad misses to Slayton (both would-be first downs) and one to Waller (long down sideline). Jones connects there (as he has all camp) and it's a completely different day.

- The two sides ended practice with a red zone drill. The series started at the 15-ish yard line (end zone vantage point made specifics hard) and were tasked with scoring. It did not go well for the Giants offense. Jones missed Parris Campbell, ran for no gain, then completed one short to Campbell. The offense stayed on the field for two more plays. The last one (a Jones keeper) might have scored, but the Lions' defense celebrated. Saquon Barkley DID NOT take place in this drill for the Giants. This was for load management reasons, I'm told. He wasn't hurt.

- One player I don't think gets enough credit is Parris Campbell. Mentioned him a couple weeks ago. Deserves more praise. He jumps out each time I'm at a Giants practice.

- Most of my day was spent watching the Giants offense against the Lions defense. The few times I glanced over at the reverse .. it wasn't pretty. The Lions have so many weapons this year. Goff had his pick whenever he dropped back to throw. Impressive to see.

- Some 1-on-1 highlights: Jalin Hyatt made a nice move to get open, but after catching the ball, had it punched out by Starling Thomas. Sterling Shepard ran the most ridiculous route that created zero separation. Tremendous coverage there from Cam Sutton. Sadly, the OL vs DL occurred on the far field away from media. No observations there.

- This is a first: No fights. Seriously. I've never covered a joint practice without at least one big brawl. There were a couple pushes, but that was it. This was clearly stressed by both Daboll & Dan Campbell.

- The Giants and Lions practice again on Wednesday.
 
couple snippets from LionsWire (Jeff Risdon)
  • UDFA CB Starling Thomas stood out once again. This was the cleanest day in coverage I’ve seen from No. 49 in terms of not holding or earning illegal contact penalties. Perhaps the best thing I noted came after Thomas got beat for a touchdown in the red zone drill. On the very next rep, they tried a similar play and Thomas swatted the ball away after making a fantastic break on the ball. Fellow DBs Jerry Jacobs and Kerby Joseph sprayed Thomas with their water bottles in celebration.
  • WR Jameson Williams returned after missing Saturday for undisclosed personal reasons. He made a couple of nice catches in the 7-on-7 session and one of them featured him quickly hitting the afterburner to run away from the trailing coverage on a crossing route. In the 1-on-1s, Williams had some issues getting open. He got cute with one route, making one too many moves to try and get free–something we’ve occasionally seen in camp before. It’s notable that he was the first Lions player on the field for practice.
  • Rookie TE Sam LaPorta had a drop but also showed why he’s poised to make a big impact as a receiver. The Giants LBs could not cover him. LaPorta also made a nice downfield block to free some YAC for St. Brown on an out route.
  • Many national media members were in attendance. Among them: Mike Tirico, Jay Glazer and Jeremy Fowler.
  • Hall of Fame RB Barry Sanders was also at practice, as was longtime NFL RB Marshawn Lynch.
EDIT: also, Jamo ran with the 2s all day
 
CJGJ was chirping a lot. He does tend to drive WRs nuts. He rode Amani Oruwariye all day ("You can't guard ****, son.")

It's like back in the late 80s when everyone hated the PIstons bc of Mahorn (and Laimbeer.) Glad he's on our side now lol. I think he's funny af but man I bet other teams hate him.
 
Dallas has back-to-back 12-win seasons, is better than Detroit at QB/WR and has a FAR better defense. I like the Atlanta shout out, no reason at all they don't take the South. As much as I'd love the Bears to take that step, the defense might be as bad as anyone in the league.

Just in the division, I think people are being way too dismissive of Minnesota. Sure, they weren't as good as their record last season, but they were still a good team, and have pretty much improved across the board other than DL. Other than Cousins and H. Smith, they are a very young team. Perhaps most importantly, they replaced the worst DC in the NFL, with Brian Flores who many regard as an elite DC.

It is an exciting time to be a Lions fan, probably the most hype they've had since at least Caldwell's 1st year, when the Lions had the #2 defense in the NFL. Hopefully they don't fall to the weight of expectations like they did then.
By what measure was Prescott a better QB than Goff last year . Looking over the stats for both Goff was superior.

As to WR this will depend on what happens with Jameson Williams. If
he hits Dallas’ lead at WR is not there. And for TE I’ll take LaPorta over Ferguson.

For defense the Lions will considerably close some of the gap between them and Dallas. Thinking the Lions will be as bad this year is not noticing the FA and draft additions and development of their young talent.

And what happened in the Jim Caldwell era has no bearing on the present organization. New owner, new GM and new coaches.
It wasn't my intention to jump into the Lions thread and just rip on them, but man, I feel like expectations are out of control.

Was Jared Goff better than Dak Prescott in 2022? Sure, he was better. Does that mean he's a better QB? Not even close. Dak's been better for almost the entirety of their careers. Last year established that Goff's best is slightly better than Dak's worst coming off a broken hand in week 1. Even then, Goff was about the luckiest QB west of Daniel Jones. 7 INT's could have easily been 20+, but lucky drops really bailed him out. Dak's luck was the opposite where anything that hit a defender seemingly got picked off.

Even if Williams hits, Dallas probably is better at WR. I love Amon-Ra, but he's got more to prove to be on Lamb's level. I think he's capable of doing so, but he's still gotta do it. Cooks/Gallup>Williams/Marvin pretty easily to me. I don't disagree at TE, though I'm not sure either will make much impact in 2023, obviously prefer LaPorta long-term.

The Lions may have improved the defense, but going from bottom 5 to league average, still leaves them pretty far behind Dallas. I'm probably driving the Aidan Hutchinson bandwagon, even ahead of most Lions fans, I'm on record before the 2022 draft saying I felt Hutchinson was a better prospect than Chase Young or Nick Bosa was, and I stand by that. I'd have said best prospect in a decade if Myles Garrett wasn't around. Having said that, Dallas is better on defense at every level. Especially in the secondary.

I wasn't saying anything about the Caldwell era, other than that was the last time expectations were high, and then they didn't live up to them. It happens. I like a lot of what the Lions are building. I liked a lot of their last 2 draft classes, but I don't see a team that is anywhere near Super Bowl contention. I think they are more likely to have a losing record than seriously challenge the Eagles or 49ers. They went 3-6 against playoff teams. The NFC North is a winnable division, we'll see if they can handle that. I keep thinking back about the Christmas Eve game against Carolina, the Lions make the playoffs if they win that game, and they got trounced. If I'm wrong and they are a legit contender, then Ben Johnson should be at the top of every HC opening next offseason.I hope I'm wrong, I'd love to see the Lions be good. I'm a longtime Bears fan (despite that, my favorite all-time player was Barry Sanders) and frankly, I'll be happy to see anybody be on top of the division that isn't Green Bay.
 
CJGJ was chirping a lot. He does tend to drive WRs nuts. He rode Amani Oruwariye all day ("You can't guard ****, son.")

It's like back in the late 80s when everyone hated the PIstons bc of Mahorn (and Laimbeer.) Glad he's on our side now lol. I think he's funny af but man I bet other teams hate him.
He really does drive WRs crazy. I remember when he got so in a WRs head that the guy punched him in the side of the head. That WR was Michael Thomas...in practice, when they were teammates.
 
WR Dylan Drummond had 1 NFL tryout. Now he’s a darkhorse to make Lions roster.

This is from a few days ago, but man Drummond is in everyone's tweets from the joint practice today. Lions beats, local media, the Giants beats, national media. Dude had a monster day, and he's had a few of those now. Completely out of left field.

Drummond has continued to turn heads. If you believe Goff, Drummond is currently the #3 WR behind ARSB and Raymond. Surprised Hoff did not mention Reynolds as Goff has been throwing to Reynolds for years.
 
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Dallas has back-to-back 12-win seasons, is better than Detroit at QB/WR and has a FAR better defense. I like the Atlanta shout out, no reason at all they don't take the South. As much as I'd love the Bears to take that step, the defense might be as bad as anyone in the league.

Just in the division, I think people are being way too dismissive of Minnesota. Sure, they weren't as good as their record last season, but they were still a good team, and have pretty much improved across the board other than DL. Other than Cousins and H. Smith, they are a very young team. Perhaps most importantly, they replaced the worst DC in the NFL, with Brian Flores who many regard as an elite DC.

It is an exciting time to be a Lions fan, probably the most hype they've had since at least Caldwell's 1st year, when the Lions had the #2 defense in the NFL. Hopefully they don't fall to the weight of expectations like they did then.
By what measure was Prescott a better QB than Goff last year . Looking over the stats for both Goff was superior.

As to WR this will depend on what happens with Jameson Williams. If
he hits Dallas’ lead at WR is not there. And for TE I’ll take LaPorta over Ferguson.

For defense the Lions will considerably close some of the gap between them and Dallas. Thinking the Lions will be as bad this year is not noticing the FA and draft additions and development of their young talent.

And what happened in the Jim Caldwell era has no bearing on the present organization. New owner, new GM and new coaches.
It wasn't my intention to jump into the Lions thread and just rip on them, but man, I feel like expectations are out of control.

Was Jared Goff better than Dak Prescott in 2022? Sure, he was better. Does that mean he's a better QB? Not even close. Dak's been better for almost the entirety of their careers. Last year established that Goff's best is slightly better than Dak's worst coming off a broken hand in week 1. Even then, Goff was about the luckiest QB west of Daniel Jones. 7 INT's could have easily been 20+, but lucky drops really bailed him out. Dak's luck was the opposite where anything that hit a defender seemingly got picked off.

Even if Williams hits, Dallas probably is better at WR. I love Amon-Ra, but he's got more to prove to be on Lamb's level. I think he's capable of doing so, but he's still gotta do it. Cooks/Gallup>Williams/Marvin pretty easily to me. I don't disagree at TE, though I'm not sure either will make much impact in 2023, obviously prefer LaPorta long-term.

The Lions may have improved the defense, but going from bottom 5 to league average, still leaves them pretty far behind Dallas. I'm probably driving the Aidan Hutchinson bandwagon, even ahead of most Lions fans, I'm on record before the 2022 draft saying I felt Hutchinson was a better prospect than Chase Young or Nick Bosa was, and I stand by that. I'd have said best prospect in a decade if Myles Garrett wasn't around. Having said that, Dallas is better on defense at every level. Especially in the secondary.

I wasn't saying anything about the Caldwell era, other than that was the last time expectations were high, and then they didn't live up to them. It happens. I like a lot of what the Lions are building. I liked a lot of their last 2 draft classes, but I don't see a team that is anywhere near Super Bowl contention. I think they are more likely to have a losing record than seriously challenge the Eagles or 49ers. They went 3-6 against playoff teams. The NFC North is a winnable division, we'll see if they can handle that. I keep thinking back about the Christmas Eve game against Carolina, the Lions make the playoffs if they win that game, and they got trounced. If I'm wrong and they are a legit contender, then Ben Johnson should be at the top of every HC opening next offseason.I hope I'm wrong, I'd love to see the Lions be good. I'm a longtime Bears fan (despite that, my favorite all-time player was Barry Sanders) and frankly, I'll be happy to see anybody be on top of the division that isn't Green Bay.
Lions are contenders. A top 5 offense has the potential to be even better. I’ll take the Lions offense over Dallas’ especially a Mike McCarthy run one.
Regarding QB Prescott finds a way to mess up when things are crucial don’t see an advantage.

That being said I watched Goff last year with nervous anticipation of disaster but it didn’t happen. He played well. Can’t say I’m fully confident but based on how he played last year if he plays to that level again Lions will contend.
As to the interceptions there was some luck. Have to have some with the streak Goff is on. In particular I remember one INT vs Chicago that was nullified by a dumb off ball penalty. But I don’t think overall that Goff was as lucky as you set forth.

The Lions losses to playoff teams except to Buffalo occurred in the first half of the season and Lions were competitive in them.
As to the Carolina game they were whipped and embarrassed and it did cost them a playoff
spot. They were run over.

Lions defense was terrible in first half of the season but mid level during the second half. Think they start mid level this year and improve from there. So much more added talent and gained experience from last year.

Don’t think the optimism is out of control there is still a lot of the same old Lions PTSD to overcome. But Holmes and Campbell’s moves and direction are working. And they don’t play afraid of making a mistake.
 
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Thought the Giants defense got the better of the Lions offense today in 1s vs. 1s/11 on 11 in 4-minute offense. Detroit was without Frank Ragnow (new dad) and Jonah Jackson (injury) -- Giants were much more active at the LOS.

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However, I did think Detroit's second-team OL had a really nice day -- Colby Sorsdahl continues to hang in there at guard. Understands pass pro. Threw a few nice blocks in the run game.

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Also: Mo Ibrahim is going to have an awesome preseason. He ran over like 7 people today.

Jeremy Reisman

@DetroitOnLion

Practice over. Fair to say the Giants struck back today. Rough day for the Lions D, but a few players stood out in a positive way:
- Cam Sutton with a few PBUs
- Josh Paschal very disruptive with the 2s
- Derrick Barnes continues to rep w/1s and nearly had an INT

your daily ARSB dominating again video (+ nice blitz pickup by Monty)

The Hutchinson hype has been off the charts. He's stronger, faster, twitchier....whoever his trainer is did a heckuva a job. He's talked about how one nice thing about this offseason was not having to train for Combine measurables/drills that don't have anything to do with being a great edge. MCDC talked this morning about how he's added some new tools to his toolbelt.

Generally the D line reports have been phenomenal. Alim transformed his body, dropping 13% body fat (but still carrying 325) - leaner, more flexible, has more bend. Levi Onwuzurike having a good camp, Brodric Martin has been disruptive, Buggs, Cominsky and Charles Harris all looking solid. James Houston will still be a 15-25 snap specialist although they're trying to expand his role. Josh Paschal is looking like the guy they drafted now that he's healthy. The rotational guys are solid but my question is if Hutch is Batman, who is going to be Robin?
 
Dallas has back-to-back 12-win seasons, is better than Detroit at QB/WR and has a FAR better defense. I like the Atlanta shout out, no reason at all they don't take the South. As much as I'd love the Bears to take that step, the defense might be as bad as anyone in the league.

Just in the division, I think people are being way too dismissive of Minnesota. Sure, they weren't as good as their record last season, but they were still a good team, and have pretty much improved across the board other than DL. Other than Cousins and H. Smith, they are a very young team. Perhaps most importantly, they replaced the worst DC in the NFL, with Brian Flores who many regard as an elite DC.

It is an exciting time to be a Lions fan, probably the most hype they've had since at least Caldwell's 1st year, when the Lions had the #2 defense in the NFL. Hopefully they don't fall to the weight of expectations like they did then.
By what measure was Prescott a better QB than Goff last year . Looking over the stats for both Goff was superior.

As to WR this will depend on what happens with Jameson Williams. If
he hits Dallas’ lead at WR is not there. And for TE I’ll take LaPorta over Ferguson.

For defense the Lions will considerably close some of the gap between them and Dallas. Thinking the Lions will be as bad this year is not noticing the FA and draft additions and development of their young talent.

And what happened in the Jim Caldwell era has no bearing on the present organization. New owner, new GM and new coaches.
It wasn't my intention to jump into the Lions thread and just rip on them, but man, I feel like expectations are out of control.

Was Jared Goff better than Dak Prescott in 2022? Sure, he was better. Does that mean he's a better QB? Not even close. Dak's been better for almost the entirety of their careers. Last year established that Goff's best is slightly better than Dak's worst coming off a broken hand in week 1. Even then, Goff was about the luckiest QB west of Daniel Jones. 7 INT's could have easily been 20+, but lucky drops really bailed him out. Dak's luck was the opposite where anything that hit a defender seemingly got picked off.

Even if Williams hits, Dallas probably is better at WR. I love Amon-Ra, but he's got more to prove to be on Lamb's level. I think he's capable of doing so, but he's still gotta do it. Cooks/Gallup>Williams/Marvin pretty easily to me. I don't disagree at TE, though I'm not sure either will make much impact in 2023, obviously prefer LaPorta long-term.

The Lions may have improved the defense, but going from bottom 5 to league average, still leaves them pretty far behind Dallas. I'm probably driving the Aidan Hutchinson bandwagon, even ahead of most Lions fans, I'm on record before the 2022 draft saying I felt Hutchinson was a better prospect than Chase Young or Nick Bosa was, and I stand by that. I'd have said best prospect in a decade if Myles Garrett wasn't around. Having said that, Dallas is better on defense at every level. Especially in the secondary.

I wasn't saying anything about the Caldwell era, other than that was the last time expectations were high, and then they didn't live up to them. It happens. I like a lot of what the Lions are building. I liked a lot of their last 2 draft classes, but I don't see a team that is anywhere near Super Bowl contention. I think they are more likely to have a losing record than seriously challenge the Eagles or 49ers. They went 3-6 against playoff teams. The NFC North is a winnable division, we'll see if they can handle that. I keep thinking back about the Christmas Eve game against Carolina, the Lions make the playoffs if they win that game, and they got trounced. If I'm wrong and they are a legit contender, then Ben Johnson should be at the top of every HC opening next offseason.I hope I'm wrong, I'd love to see the Lions be good. I'm a longtime Bears fan (despite that, my favorite all-time player was Barry Sanders) and frankly, I'll be happy to see anybody be on top of the division that isn't Green Bay.
Lions are contenders. A top 5 offense has the potential to be even better. I’ll take the Lions offense over Dallas’ especially a Mike McCarthy run one.
Regarding QB Prescott finds a way to mess up when things are crucial don’t see an advantage.

That being said I watched Goff last year with nervous anticipation of disaster but it didn’t happen. He played well. Can’t say I’m fully confident but based on how he played last year if he plays to that level again Lions will contend.
As to the interceptions there was some luck. Have to have some with the streak Goff is on. In particular I remember one INT vs Chicago that was nullified by a dumb off ball penalty. But I don’t think overall that Goff was as lucky as you set forth.

The Lions losses to playoff teams except to Buffalo occurred in the first half of the season and Lions were competitive in them.
As to the Carolina game they were whipped and embarrassed and it did cost them a playoff
spot. They were run over.

Lions defense was terrible in first half of the season but mid level during the second half. Think they start mid level this year and improve from there. So much more added talent and gained experience from last year.

Don’t think the optimism is out of control there is still a lot of the same old Lions PTSD to overcome. But Holmes and Campbell’s moves and direction are working. And they don’t play afraid of making a mistake.
The PTSD isn't just about the Lions being bad. Many fans think the Lions are cursed. Even when they do everything right something like the Calvin catch or picked up flag will happen because it's the Lions. That's why I don't think the optimism will ever get out of control. If anything many fans get scared and lash out about how it will fall apart when things seem to be going well.

That's why the job that Holmes and Campbell has done is a miracle. For the team to have the level of buy-in it has now compared to just two years ago is the equivalent of taking another team to the Super Bowl. They did what no other coach or GM has done in over five five decades AND they're doing it without a superstar QB who's able to pull wins out of his *** like in Cincy or Buffalo.
 
Dallas has back-to-back 12-win seasons, is better than Detroit at QB/WR and has a FAR better defense. I like the Atlanta shout out, no reason at all they don't take the South. As much as I'd love the Bears to take that step, the defense might be as bad as anyone in the league.

Just in the division, I think people are being way too dismissive of Minnesota. Sure, they weren't as good as their record last season, but they were still a good team, and have pretty much improved across the board other than DL. Other than Cousins and H. Smith, they are a very young team. Perhaps most importantly, they replaced the worst DC in the NFL, with Brian Flores who many regard as an elite DC.

It is an exciting time to be a Lions fan, probably the most hype they've had since at least Caldwell's 1st year, when the Lions had the #2 defense in the NFL. Hopefully they don't fall to the weight of expectations like they did then.
By what measure was Prescott a better QB than Goff last year . Looking over the stats for both Goff was superior.

As to WR this will depend on what happens with Jameson Williams. If
he hits Dallas’ lead at WR is not there. And for TE I’ll take LaPorta over Ferguson.

For defense the Lions will considerably close some of the gap between them and Dallas. Thinking the Lions will be as bad this year is not noticing the FA and draft additions and development of their young talent.

And what happened in the Jim Caldwell era has no bearing on the present organization. New owner, new GM and new coaches.
It wasn't my intention to jump into the Lions thread and just rip on them, but man, I feel like expectations are out of control.

Was Jared Goff better than Dak Prescott in 2022? Sure, he was better. Does that mean he's a better QB? Not even close. Dak's been better for almost the entirety of their careers. Last year established that Goff's best is slightly better than Dak's worst coming off a broken hand in week 1. Even then, Goff was about the luckiest QB west of Daniel Jones. 7 INT's could have easily been 20+, but lucky drops really bailed him out. Dak's luck was the opposite where anything that hit a defender seemingly got picked off.

Even if Williams hits, Dallas probably is better at WR. I love Amon-Ra, but he's got more to prove to be on Lamb's level. I think he's capable of doing so, but he's still gotta do it. Cooks/Gallup>Williams/Marvin pretty easily to me. I don't disagree at TE, though I'm not sure either will make much impact in 2023, obviously prefer LaPorta long-term.

The Lions may have improved the defense, but going from bottom 5 to league average, still leaves them pretty far behind Dallas. I'm probably driving the Aidan Hutchinson bandwagon, even ahead of most Lions fans, I'm on record before the 2022 draft saying I felt Hutchinson was a better prospect than Chase Young or Nick Bosa was, and I stand by that. I'd have said best prospect in a decade if Myles Garrett wasn't around. Having said that, Dallas is better on defense at every level. Especially in the secondary.

I wasn't saying anything about the Caldwell era, other than that was the last time expectations were high, and then they didn't live up to them. It happens. I like a lot of what the Lions are building. I liked a lot of their last 2 draft classes, but I don't see a team that is anywhere near Super Bowl contention. I think they are more likely to have a losing record than seriously challenge the Eagles or 49ers. They went 3-6 against playoff teams. The NFC North is a winnable division, we'll see if they can handle that. I keep thinking back about the Christmas Eve game against Carolina, the Lions make the playoffs if they win that game, and they got trounced. If I'm wrong and they are a legit contender, then Ben Johnson should be at the top of every HC opening next offseason.I hope I'm wrong, I'd love to see the Lions be good. I'm a longtime Bears fan (despite that, my favorite all-time player was Barry Sanders) and frankly, I'll be happy to see anybody be on top of the division that isn't Green Bay.
Lions are contenders. A top 5 offense has the potential to be even better. I’ll take the Lions offense over Dallas’ especially a Mike McCarthy run one.
Regarding QB Prescott finds a way to mess up when things are crucial don’t see an advantage.

That being said I watched Goff last year with nervous anticipation of disaster but it didn’t happen. He played well. Can’t say I’m fully confident but based on how he played last year if he plays to that level again Lions will contend.
As to the interceptions there was some luck. Have to have some with the streak Goff is on. In particular I remember one INT vs Chicago that was nullified by a dumb off ball penalty. But I don’t think overall that Goff was as lucky as you set forth.

The Lions losses to playoff teams except to Buffalo occurred in the first half of the season and Lions were competitive in them.
As to the Carolina game they were whipped and embarrassed and it did cost them a playoff
spot. They were run over.

Lions defense was terrible in first half of the season but mid level during the second half. Think they start mid level this year and improve from there. So much more added talent and gained experience from last year.

Don’t think the optimism is out of control there is still a lot of the same old Lions PTSD to overcome. But Holmes and Campbell’s moves and direction are working. And they don’t play afraid of making a mistake.
The PTSD isn't just about the Lions being bad. Many fans think the Lions are cursed. Even when they do everything right something like the Calvin catch or picked up flag will happen because it's the Lions. That's why I don't think the optimism will ever get out of control. If anything many fans get scared and lash out about how it will fall apart when things seem to be going well.

That's why the job that Holmes and Campbell has done is a miracle. For the team to have the level of buy-in it has now compared to just two years ago is the equivalent of taking another team to the Super Bowl. They did what no other coach or GM has done in over five five decades AND they're doing it without a superstar QB who's able to pull wins out of his *** like in Cincy or Buffalo.

I like that they don't hide from their history either. They don't whine about it or lament it or criticize fans about "SOL" - they own it. That's the history. So let's change that.

It really has been an amazing shift in the culture to witness. They have transformed the identity of the team. Brad and Dan are a whole mood and it's contagious.

Not just being hype men, either. They have brought in some dudes. These guys can play, there's talent and depth everywhere on the roster. I've never seen a season so highly anticipated.
 
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The Detroit Lions’ signing of Teddy Bridgewater has yet to be made official, but early information on the backup quarterback’s contract has already started to leak to the media. According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, Bridgewater’s deal is worth “a maximum of” $5 million with half of that—$2.5 million—guaranteed.

To put that into perspective, the Lions’ current backup quarterback Nate Sudfeld is on a one-year, $1.6 million contract with $1 million of that guaranteed. Other notable backup quarterback contacts across the league include Marcus Mariota (1-year, $5 million, all guaranteed), Andy Dalton (2-year, $10 million, $8 million guaranteed), and Tyrod Taylor (2-year, $11 million, $8.2 million guaranteed). Perhaps the most comparable backup quarterback contract—without knowing the full details of Bridgewater’s deal—is that of 49ers backup quarterback Sam Darnold, who is on a one-year, $4.5 million contract with $3.5 million guaranteed.

That’s obviously a pretty reasonable deal for a backup as well respected as Bridgewater. While he struggled last season as the backup for the Miami Dolphins—posting a 85.6 passer rating and 0-2 record in two starts—Bridgewater has mainly been a reliable backup since parting ways with the Vikings in 2018.
 

Lions’ Teddy Bridgewater addition helps more than just the quarterback room


ALLEN PARK, Mich. — On Tuesday, shortly after the Detroit Lions announced the signing of veteran backup quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, coach Dan Campbell was asked how much the 30-year-old quarterback could help rookie Hendon Hooker.

Campbell cut the question off before it was finished.

“I’m not even talking about Hendon,” he said. “I’m talking about the receivers.”
Bridgewater isn’t with the Lions yet but he should be soon. Campbell brought up the fact, unprompted (and on multiple occasions) Tuesday that during his time with the New Orleans Saints, he watched Bridgewater personally help develop the young receivers, including Michael Thomas.

While serving as Drew Brees’ backup, Bridgewater came into the building the day before every game to go over the entire game plan with the young wideouts, Campbell said. Bridgewater explained how coverages worked and what the team needed from the receivers in certain situations week-to-week. Basically, he was a player-coach.

“An unbelievable teammate,” Campbell said. “He is a pro.”

The Lions signed Bridgewater to seal a big talent gap at backup quarterback, something that was on full display during Wednesday’s workout with the New York Giants. Current No. 2 Nate Sudfeld did not have a good day, throwing an interception and routinely missing open targets downfield. That included one to Jameson Williams, who broke wide open on a deep post, only to see the ball severely underthrown and broken up. After a promising minicamp and first week of training camp, Sudfeld has had a rough go at it. Adrian Martinez, working with the third unit, has struggled even more.

But Bridgewater can do more than just fill a need at backup quarterback. The Lions in Williams also have a young wide receiver in need of development, and as much on-field mentorship as he can handle.
Detroit believes this is a playoff roster. If Jared Goff gets hurt, Campbell believes Bridgewater is capable of keeping the team on track. More than that, though, Campbell also clearly wanted Bridgewater for the influence he could have on Williams. He’ll help Hooker as well. If what Campbell said about Bridgewater’s work ethic in New Orleans is repeated in Detroit, he’ll even make guys like Amon-Ra St. Brown better.

However, the real focus here may well be on Williams. He’s currently rotating through with the first string, but he also sees a lot of reps with the No. 2s. Every practice rep he takes in camp — and this season — is valuable, especially given his looming six-game suspension. There cannot be any wasted throws — and right now, we’re seeing too many. Sudfeld is clearly pressing, desperately trying to make the team.

Williams still has to continue working on making his own technique consistent every day. It was a quiet few days for him, with QB play factoring into that. Being able to practice with Bridgewater, a confident veteran who won’t be worried about getting cut, could be a big deal.
Right now, the Lions need more out of a backup, for now and for the future of their roster.

Secondary passes test this week​

The joint-practice setting is where beat writers on the ground in Indianapolis questioned Detroit’s secondary a year ago, as the Lions and Colts teamed up. It didn’t feel like fans could put much faith in the secondary Detroit was trotting out. That proved true in the regular season.
That has not been the case in Allen Park this week.

Lions safety Kerby Joseph was the standout on Tuesday. He had a pair of pass breakups and a “tackle” of Giants quarterback Daniel Jones on the final play of red-zone action for the Lions’ first-team defense, saving a touchdown and allowing the unit to head off the field in celebration.

During Tuesday’s practice, Gardner-Johnson nearly picked off Jones on a deep ball that came his way playing safety, and during Wednesday’s practice, Gardner-Johnson immediately snuffed out a swing pass from Jones to Parris Campbell and closed on the ball for a TFL. During that same period, on a play-action pass intended for Darius Slayton, Cam Sutton fully extended and laid out for a diving deflection and a pass breakup.

The overall takeaway: There’s much more fight, compete — whatever you want to call it — in this secondary. There are guys capable of making plays all over the field. It looks different.

Colby Sorsdal, Brodric Martin get an education in football​

The starters, naturally, garner a lot of attention in these joint practices. And for good reason. They’ll get more work in the days leading up to the preseason game than the game itself. But that doesn’t mean others can’t benefit.

Just ask defensive tackle Brodric Martin and right guard Colby Sorsdal.

During one-on-ones between the Lions’ offensive line and the Giants’ defensive line, Sorsdal appeared to win the two reps observed. Don’t let the small school fool you — Sorsdal doesn’t look out of place for a fifth-round pick from William & Mary.
Now, it’s too early to know what Sorsdal will ultimately become. He should make the 53-man roster. He should be a reserve piece for this year, behind Halapoulivaati Vaitai and Graham Glasgow in the right guard pecking order. But he has the makeup and feet to stick around in this league, potentially as a starter down the road. Lions vets like what they see.

“I think we’re kind of throwing him in the fire,” offensive tackle Taylor Decker said. “And that’s a good thing because he’s the personality type — from what I’ve been able to assess — that’s gonna rise to the challenge. … As a rookie, you’re gonna have good and bad days. How do you respond to that? Do you trust your training when you’re out there across different guys? I think that’s a huge thing. … He’s learning a lot, he’s got a great skill set, he’s got quick feet and he wants to get better.”

Martin, meanwhile, has earned first-team reps as training camp has progressed. He’s still running with the twos, but it certainly seems like he’s further along than we thought he’d be coming out of the draft. He’s got some burst for a player who’s 6-foot-5, 330 pounds. If his role this year is to give the Lions some juice off the bench and cut into Isaiah Buggs’ snaps to keep him fresh, it appears he’s ready.

“I feel like Brodric, he’s got his feet under him now,” defensive tackle Alim McNeill said. “You kinda get in here, it’s kinda hard to learn the different techniques and stuff, but once you get your feet under you, you can go play ball and it’s a lot better. I feel like Brodric has done that. He’s got his feet under him now. He understands what’s going on now, what we’re doing in this defense and why.”

As both players navigate life in the NFL, strides made during weeks like this can prove valuable down the road.

News, notes and observations​

• One of the most impressive plays of the day just so happened to be an incompletion. Remember: The result of the play doesn’t matter. The beauty of this week is going up against another team and seeing if you’re ready. On the play, running back Jahmyr Gibbs ran a wheel route, was blanketed by two defenders downfield (including Amani Oruwariye), went up, caught the ball with one hand, but came down without getting two feet in. So, yes. An incompletion. But the sheer fact that the Lions have this much trust in a running back — or offensive weapon — to make a play like that should tell you all you need to know. Gibbs looks ready.
• Another running back who impressed Wednesday was UDFA rookie Mohamed Ibrahim. Most notably, his physicality. There was a particular run in the red zone where Ibrahim lowered his shoulders and delivered a violent blow to a Giants defensive back. You could hear the thudding of pads from the other field. After the play, Ibrahim jogged back to the sideline and got a chest bump from RBs coach Scottie Montgomery, who liked what he saw.
• It was a tougher day for the offense overall. David Montgomery turned the ball over a couple of times, including a strip by Giants safety Dane Belton on a screen play going nowhere. St. Brown had a rare fumble. Sudfeld and Martinez each threw interceptions. Credit the Giants for bouncing back on Wednesday.
• The Lions love to put their tight ends on the outside. They’ve done it with Sam LaPorta often, they’ve done it with Brock Wright and on one play Wednesday, they did it with James Mitchell on a fade route to the end zone. Sometimes they’ll show that look — a tight end out wide with two wide receivers on the same side — before motioning the tight end to line up in a three-point stance next to the tackle. Keep an eye out for it in Friday’s preseason opener. It’s fun to watch.
• Aidan Hutchinson turned 23 on Wednesday. He celebrated by embarrassing Giants backup tackle Korey Cunningham with a spin move on a one-on-one rep. He lost a matchup versus Andrew Thomas — one of the best in football. But overall, Hutchinson had an excellent pair of practices. He looks faster, stronger and far more disruptive than his rookie year and impressed some of the visiting media in town.
• There was a brief shoving match between Lions offensive lineman Germain Ifedi and Giants linebacker Oshane Ximines. Other than that, things were pretty quiet on the camp fight front. Sorry to disappoint.
 
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The curse of Bobby Layne has obviously moved from Ford Field to your mobile device.

I think 10-12 years ago I had an alt account, and it might have been saved - looks like I logged into the wrong account

my phone is logged into another (now banned) account and I can't log out or navigate at all

I have a work around, using another browser, but kind of sucks since all my other internet browsing is done on Chrome
I thought if you cleared all your history and cookies, it would force you to log in again.

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Thanks, jon
 
Logan Stenberg cut

Probably just making room for Teddy two gloves, but anytime you can shed another Quinn pick off the roster, it's a good day

dude just never developed into anything reliable
 
How can you not be excited about this season? The Lions are loaded at every position with a combination of proven talent and upcoming talent we know is good with serious upside potential.

Has there ever been a time where you could point at a dozen Lions players who have all-NFC level talent? I understand how Likns fans are afraid and believe in some jinx, but to e a SOLer at this point is ridiculous. This team has real talent and great coaching. Their biggest limit might be if they can get the right defense to optimize their talents. Can Aaron Glenn craft a top-rated defense? That is what limits how far thos team can go. The talent is clearly there.
 
Ian Rapoport on Twitter: Source: The #Lions and returner Kalif Raymond have agreed to terms on a 2-year contract extension making him one of the highest paid punt returners in the NFL.

Sheesh Rapp…dude was second on the team in receiving yards last year. Massive role in road wins over the Jets & the Pack.

Everyone wants the 2nd option to be Jamo, LaPorta, or Gibbs. Understandable. Reality is Kalif has been Goff’s most trusted guy behind ARSB throughout OTAs, minicamp, and TC (+informal workouts in Cali.)

How about a little respect for the only Holy Cross Crusader in the league, eh?
 
dozen Lions players who have all-NFC level talent

bruh
1. Goff
2. Gibbs
3. Sewell
4. ARSB
5. Ragnow
6. LaPorta
7. Fox
8. Jamo
9. Hutch
10. Houston
11. Branch
12. CJGJ

And could add Campbell and Kirby Joseph.

All those guys could and most should be at or near the top of the conference at their position during the next few years.

It may be scary for Lions fans to say, but this team can be really really good and they have strength all over the field. Never happened in Lions history, at least not in my lifetime.
 
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Ian Rapoport on Twitter: Source: The #Lions and returner Kalif Raymond have agreed to terms on a 2-year contract extension making him one of the highest paid punt returners in the NFL.

Sheesh Rapp…dude was second on the team in receiving yards last year. Massive role in road wins over the Jets & the Pack.

Everyone wants the 2nd option to be Jamo, LaPorta, or Gibbs. Understandable. Reality is Kalif has been Goff’s most trusted guy behind ARSB throughout OTAs, minicamp, and TC (+informal workouts in Cali.)

How about a little respect for the only Holy Cross Crusader in the league, eh?
The extension does that. Nice to see a guy who made it through that tough 2021 season be rewarded.
 
dozen Lions players who have all-NFC level talent

bruh
1. Goff
2. Gibbs
3. Sewell
4. ARSB
5. Ragnow
6. LaPorta
7. Fox
8. Jamo
9. Hutch
10. Houston
11. Branch
12. CJGJ

And could add Campbell and Kirby Joseph.

All those guys could and most should be at or near the top of the conference at their position during the next few years.

It may be scary for Lions fans to say, but this team can be really really good and they have strength all over the field. Never happened in Lions history, at least not in my lifetime.
Holmes has been hitting on more picks than he’s missed. This last draft class has been controversial and will go a long way toward determining whether he is a top notch GM.

Eagle fans are creaming over Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith. Different strokes for different folks.
 
Ian Rapoport on Twitter: Source: The #Lions and returner Kalif Raymond have agreed to terms on a 2-year contract extension making him one of the highest paid punt returners in the NFL.

Sheesh Rapp…dude was second on the team in receiving yards last year. Massive role in road wins over the Jets & the Pack.

Everyone wants the 2nd option to be Jamo, LaPorta, or Gibbs. Understandable. Reality is Kalif has been Goff’s most trusted guy behind ARSB throughout OTAs, minicamp, and TC (+informal workouts in Cali.)

How about a little respect for the only Holy Cross Crusader in the league, eh?
The extension does that. Nice to see a guy who made it through that tough 2021 season be rewarded.

Amon-Ra is the undisputed champ when it comes to work ethic. Lot of folks say Kalif is the second hardest working player on the team.

Despite obvious limitations (super fast but only 5’8”) he’s a detail oriented guy, the epitome of their culture. He was one of the guys Belichick singled out before last years game that they had to account for in their game plan.

Casuals barely know he exists but he’s a glue guy.
 
I'll be looking at Gibbs and Achane in DET and MIA. Gibbs could be my 2nd RB in redraft, and Achane a lottery pick later in the draft. Unless they have a few explosive plays. Achane takes it 40 yards on the opening kickoff!
 
dozen Lions players who have all-NFC level talent

bruh
1. Goff
2. Gibbs
3. Sewell
4. ARSB
5. Ragnow
6. LaPorta
7. Fox
8. Jamo
9. Hutch
10. Houston
11. Branch
12. CJGJ

And could add Campbell and Kirby Joseph.

All those guys could and most should be at or near the top of the conference at their position during the next few years.

It may be scary for Lions fans to say, but this team can be really really good and they have strength all over the field. Never happened in Lions history, at least not in my lifetime.
Holmes has been hitting on more picks than he’s missed. This last draft class has been controversial and will go a long way toward determining whether he is a top notch GM.

Eagle fans are creaming over Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith. Different strokes for different folks.

IMHO, this will be his best draft class. Of course, the Lions had the most draft Capitol this year, so it should be.
 

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