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*** 2025 Pittsburgh Steelers: waiting on a guy that no one wants (6 Viewers)

I understand one has to overpay when it comes to free agency, and he will probably just replace GP in the end. They felt it was the move to make and did it. He fits the mold they're after, but the guy just doesn't play up to potential and I just think he is what we've seen. The same WR who was outplayed by JSN, and the same undisciplined type that is not afraid to start throwing since DBs know how to get him going. As for being lazy on the field, any Seattle fan can chime in here and tell you yes he has been known to run a few of those in the past.
 
Steelers should roll with Rudolph as the week 1 starter followed mid season by some 3rd round rookie like Milroe or Shough or Ewers. If that guy pans out then hooray. More likely, they lead the Steelers to a losing record. They can then trade up if necessary in ‘26 to get their next franchise QB.
Trading for Metcalf and tanking fails to make any sense to me.
Well, Omar didn't ask me but that DK signing was not a good move. The Steelers overpaid at a position for which there is a lot of depth around the league and coming up through the draft but more relevantly, he is a diva who'll be lining up opposite another diva. Guess it's possible the locker room does not implode if Rodgers isn't there but bring him on board and it's gonna get dysfunctional real fast.
I feel like that 2nd was too high as is the salary cost for a WR who looks like he's already hit his peak and will offer you what we've already seen from him last season. At least the contract is structured in a way that gives them an out after 2 seasons.
I agree with you both and part of why I was not big on the trade, but it’s done now and I think that has to set them on a path towards trying to compete now.

The Steelers do not think they are rebuilding. If that wasn't 100% clear a few weeks ago, it absolutely should be now after acquiring DK. They don't believe they are that far from contending for an AFCC.

They're wrong, but it's clear (to me at least) that's what they think.
You are correct x100

They are just reloading and feel they can compete. Problem is while they've perfected the art of playing checkers, the elite in the AFC have been busy perfecting chess.
 
Steelers should roll with Rudolph as the week 1 starter followed mid season by some 3rd round rookie like Milroe or Shough or Ewers. If that guy pans out then hooray. More likely, they lead the Steelers to a losing record. They can then trade up if necessary in ‘26 to get their next franchise QB.
Trading for Metcalf and tanking fails to make any sense to me.
Well, Omar didn't ask me but that DK signing was not a good move. The Steelers overpaid at a position for which there is a lot of depth around the league and coming up through the draft but more relevantly, he is a diva who'll be lining up opposite another diva. Guess it's possible the locker room does not implode if Rodgers isn't there but bring him on board and it's gonna get dysfunctional real fast.
I feel like that 2nd was too high as is the salary cost for a WR who looks like he's already hit his peak and will offer you what we've already seen from him last season. At least the contract is structured in a way that gives them an out after 2 seasons.
I agree with you both and part of why I was not big on the trade, but it’s done now and I think that has to set them on a path towards trying to compete now.

The Steelers do not think they are rebuilding. If that wasn't 100% clear a few weeks ago, it absolutely should be now after acquiring DK. They don't believe they are that far from contending for an AFCC.

They're wrong, but it's clear (to me at least) that's what they think.
Correct, and have been saying that a few times. But there is a difference to me, a fine line, in not rebuilding vs throwing in your chips to win now. They not only are not rebuilding they are throwing in the chips. It's why they want Rodgers so bad. It's why Fields youth was never a huge deal to them or Rodgers age. They are in win now mode.

As you are saying, does not matter what we think. Seems like one thing most of us can all agree is on is we are sick of the lack of postseason success and would just as well endure a few bleak seasons for some actual promise of being a legit SB threat. That's just not in the cards right now. Their course has been charted, they're trying to win now.
 
"Safe Bet" that Rodgers winds up in Pittsburgh.


Interesting. From the Florio article:

Upcoming event in a couple of weeks...

https://www.ticketmaster.com/pat-mcafee-big-night-out-tickets/artist/3565739
He also recently said https://steelersdepot.com/2025/03/m...vikings-as-eventual-option-for-aaron-rodgers/

Yes. From the link Florio said he's not ruling out Minnesota completely. But that PIttsburgh and New York Giants seem to be his options at this point.

In a constantly moving news cycle, the "Safe Bet Pittsburgh" from yesterday is his latest opinion on it. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...-aaron-rodgers-eventually-lands-with-steelers

And of course, nobody knows for sure.
 
This whole "Steelers win now" thing is so befuddling to me. I guess there are jobs to save, but I don't see how you can look at the team and think, "we're able to compete right now." I mean, did anybody see the egg they laid against Kansas City on Christmas and then think about how KC looked in the Super Bowl?

I know one shouldn't do that because transitivity isn't always a good way to compare pro sports teams, but Pittsburgh was a mile behind KC, a team who had to fight and scratch to get through teams last year to get through the AFC. I mean, there were lots of close games along the way and Pittsburgh (and Pittsburgh was at home) was not one of them.

I'm sorry. I just don't see it for the Steelers this year even if it's Rodgers, DK, Pickens, Warren, Omario Hampton in the first, and an improved line or not.
 
We have a deadline! A soft one but dang it a line in the sand has been drawn.
The article sounds like mere speculation that it would make sense for them to have April 21 as a deadline. That isn't to say that the given reason isn't sensible, but just, this is nothing the Steelers have stated, even as a "soft" deadline.
 
This whole "Steelers win now" thing is so befuddling to me. I guess there are jobs to save, but I don't see how you can look at the team and think, "we're able to compete right now." I mean, did anybody see the egg they laid against Kansas City on Christmas and then think about how KC looked in the Super Bowl?
I actually don't think it's that wild of a thought. You can look at how they finished and say that's crazy talk, the counter is you can look at how they started, 10-3 at one point before they collapsed and conclude you just need to address the issues that led to that collapse.

Look at how Philly collapsed in 2023 and their season ended. One thing both of those teams shared is the two most brutal second half schedules I can recall.

I do NOT think jobs are on the line. Not the people making the major decisions.

None of this should be confused with me telling you right now they are one of the top contenders. But I could build a case that as the team sits today if they can get at least league average QB play and the young talented OL plays up it's potential they can be in the mix. The item I'd actually have the hardest time building a legit case for is that they can have the right coaching staff in place to rise out of that mix of teams in the playoffs. But if we are talking about building a playoff team that can enter the playoffs looking like one of the best handful of teams in the AFC, I actually don't think that's beyond reasonable.
 
I'm sorry. I just don't see it for the Steelers this year even if it's Rodgers, DK, Pickens, Warren, Omario Hampton in the first, and an improved line or not.

Hardly anyone does, realistically.

But one of the people who does see it is Mike Tomlin (It's not crazy to think it, I suppose, but is supremely unrealistic/tone deaf from where I'm sitting).
 
Problem is while they've perfected the art of playing checkers, the elite in the AFC have been busy perfecting chess.

Thanks. Can you elaborate on specifically what you mean there?
The team plateaued long ago with Ben and some top coordinators, but now have settled to be the same predictable team that can't progress past the first round of any playoff game. The reasons are numerous, including opponents knowing the gameplan since it never changes, and thus you end up with a chess master laughing his way to victory vs a checkers champ who has no business trying match wits in a much more difficult game. Steelers make moves that only ensure the regular season records remain good, (checkers), while not ever making the necessary moves to elevate come playoff time, (chess).

Rodgers will do nothing in terms of playoff success. For that we have to start with drastic changes in their entire approach and coaching staff. The current game plans and philosophies in place only ensure regualr season success, nothing more. There's a real reason why the top paid D gets obliterated every playoff game while the offense looks lost at times with no answers. It was like this in the Ben days as well.
 
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In non-QB news I posted during FA we should be looking at multiple third round comp picks. I was a little aggressive on that.

OTC is estimating we'll get a third for Moore, a 4th for Fields, a 6th for Daniels and all the other moves for incoming and departing FA's cancel each other out. So a 3,4 and 6.

I think without the second round pick this year that might come into play this year to try and use some of that draft capital next year for mid round pick or move up this year.
 
Problem is while they've perfected the art of playing checkers, the elite in the AFC have been busy perfecting chess.

Thanks. Can you elaborate on specifically what you mean there?
The team plateaued long ago with Ben and some top coordinators, but now have settled to be the same predictable team that can't progress past the first round of any playoff game. The reasons are numerous, including opponents knowing the gameplan since it never changes, and thus you end up with a chess master laughing his way to victory vs a checkers champ who has no business trying match wits in a much more difficult game. Steelers make moves that only ensure the regular season records remain good, (checkers), while not ever making the necessary moves to elevate come playoff time, (chess).

Rodgers will do nothing in terms of playoff success. For that we have to start with drastic changes in their entire approach and coaching staff. The current game plans and philosphies in place only ensure regualr season success, nothing more. There's a real reason why the top paid D gets obliterated every playoff game while the offense lacks looks lost at times with no answers. It was like this in the Ben days as well.
Defensive game plan (coaching) is a great example. Edge rushers were told to crash the RB on every play even after getting burned over and over. Baltimore could take TJ Watt out of play by running play action. Someone from the secondary would roll up on TJ's side trying to contain Lamar creating gaps in coverage. Wasn't much resistance to slow Lamar.

Playing checkers by telegraphing the D & never mixing it up or adjusting was brutal to watch. Coaches hamstrung the D & Tomlin blamed the Offense for not doing their part. He sees what he wants to see.
 
Problem is while they've perfected the art of playing checkers, the elite in the AFC have been busy perfecting chess.

Thanks. Can you elaborate on specifically what you mean there?
The team plateaued long ago with Ben and some top coordinators, but now have settled to be the same predictable team that can't progress past the first round of any playoff game. The reasons are numerous, including opponents knowing the gameplan since it never changes, and thus you end up with a chess master laughing his way to victory vs a checkers champ who has no business trying match wits in a much more difficult game. Steelers make moves that only ensure the regular season records remain good, (checkers), while not ever making the necessary moves to elevate come playoff time, (chess).

Rodgers will do nothing in terms of playoff success. For that we have to start with drastic changes in their entire approach and coaching staff. The current game plans and philosphies in place only ensure regualr season success, nothing more. There's a real reason why the top paid D gets obliterated every playoff game while the offense lacks looks lost at times with no answers. It was like this in the Ben days as well.
Defensive game plan (coaching) is a great example. Edge rushers were told to crash the RB on every play even after getting burned over and over. Baltimore could take TJ Watt out of play by running play action. Someone from the secondary would roll up on TJ's side trying to contain Lamar creating gaps in coverage. Wasn't much resistance to slow Lamar.

Playing checkers by telegraphing the D & never mixing it up or adjusting was brutal to watch. Coaches hamstrung the D & Tomlin blamed the Offense for not doing their part. He sees what he wants to see.
Worst part is we all watched it live and they never adjusted. Same as the offense when QBs are told not to change plays at the LOS despite what they see pre snap.

This will work when your talent is better than most in the regular season as thier D usually carries them now that Ben is gone, but it fails vs the playoff elite teams who gameplan what to exploit knowing this is who the Steelers are and they won't change nor adjust. How many opponents from the past have gone on record stating this fact? I think Edelman was the last to comment about it on his podcast. It's embarrassing.
 
They already wined and dined him. Milroe needs a top tier offensive minded coach and needs to sit at least 1 season, if not 2, to have any shot in the NFL. Pittsburgh will be his death sentence if they take him.
 
They already wined and dined him. Milroe needs a top tier offensive minded coach and needs to sit at least 1 season, if not 2, to have any shot in the NFL. Pittsburgh will be his death sentence if they take him.
Not if his goal is to run three scripted pitchouts, cold off the bench, every game.

If thats his bag, he'll be all set!
 
So Tomlin was only at Georgia, Alabama, and Clemson? Khan only Bama. Are we really taking Milroe in the first?
Art II said he wanted his QB's to play the same style. Unless Rudolph was an elaborate $4m backup plan/scheme that does not jive with Milroe. Maybe I'm a fool for taking Art at his word but I was under the thought process if we resigned Fields we'd get target Milroe. Now I don't think so.
 
I guess there are still some pro days left with potential first round DT guys and some visits that can take place. Just reading the tea leaves to date is concerning. If they sign Rodgers, Rudolph is a fine backup to him, and Milroe can sit for 1-2 years and/or have some specific packages and/or be listed as a RB/WR for now with Skylar as emergency QB3?
 
If we skip QB this year, sign Rodgers and someone else as QB3, this could plug holes and have us competitive:

21. Kenneth Grant - DT Michigan
83. DJ Giddens - RB Kansas State
123. Dont'e Thornton - WR Tennessee
156. Nohl Williams - CB California
185. Connor Colby - OG/OT Iowa
229. Nazir Stackhouse - DT Georgia
 
There is nothing recently, with Kahn, Tomlin, Art 2 that suggests they hit on a qb this or next year. I'd take Shough when I could, but not before adding DL and RB in the draft, so if thats round 4, do it. If he is already picked, so be it, take more DL. Try fixing a known issue.
 
The spot to target in this draft is that D line. Heyward can't last forever and they need someone to replace Benton.

I think OT is the next priority. Build the lines.
 
So far all their visits have been "midround" rbs, WRs, DL, and QBs. Only 12 reported so far though.

DL is so glaringly the best early target for them in this crop. I really want them to get two. Even if its with pick 1 and 3, Id be okay with it. Its that important. They have GOT to collapse the pocket from the inside. Full stop. Improves everything.
 
Russell Willson signed a 1yr/$21M deal with the Giants.
Good for Russ.

Also kudos to Kahn or whoever made the final calls on the QB's last year. For two Qb's that will have APY's of $41m combined this year they got both of them for $4.6m last year and likely even get back a comp 4th round pick for Fields to more then makeup for the 6th they used to get him. Hope whatever thier end game plan is this year is as well done. It's not what we all want at Qb, but it's smart business IMO working with the hand they were dealt.
 
Russell Willson signed a 1yr/$21M deal with the Giants.
Good for Russ.

Also kudos to Kahn or whoever made the final calls on the QB's last year. For two Qb's that will have APY's of $41m combined this year they got both of them for $4.6m last year and likely even get back a comp 4th round pick for Fields to more then makeup for the 6th they used to get him. Hope whatever thier end game plan is this year is as well done. It's not what we all want at Qb, but it's smart business IMO working with the hand they were dealt.
And they apparently are projected to get a 5th round comp pick for Wilson.

So to review Kahn/Steelers got both QB's for $4.6M last year and had to pay a 6th round pick.

This year those two Qb's will be paid $30-41m this year and we'll get back a 4th and a 5th comp picks.

Per OTC's projections the Steelers will now have a third(Dan Moore) 4th (Fields), 5th(Wilson) and 6th(Daniels) comp picks next year. Everything else cancels out.
 
Russell Willson signed a 1yr/$21M deal with the Giants.
Good for Russ.

Also kudos to Kahn or whoever made the final calls on the QB's last year. For two Qb's that will have APY's of $41m combined this year they got both of them for $4.6m last year and likely even get back a comp 4th round pick for Fields to more then makeup for the 6th they used to get him. Hope whatever thier end game plan is this year is as well done. It's not what we all want at Qb, but it's smart business IMO working with the hand they were dealt.
And they apparently are projected to get a 5th round comp pick for Wilson.

So to review Kahn/Steelers got both QB's for $4.6M last year and had to pay a 6th round pick.

This year those two Qb's will be paid $30-41m this year and we'll get back a 4th and a 5th comp picks.

Per OTC's projections the Steelers will now have a third(Dan Moore) 4th (Fields), 5th(Wilson) and 6th(Daniels) comp picks next year. Everything else cancels out.
And because Rodgers was a cut, signing him does not off-set those picks.
 
In 2024 Steelers traded Kenny Pickett for the 98th pick in the draft. Which resulted in Peyton Wilson. One heck of a fleecing.
 
In 2024 Steelers traded Kenny Pickett for the 98th pick in the draft. Which resulted in Peyton Wilson. One heck of a fleecing.

They traded a 6th for Fields and paid him and Wilson nothing -- both got nice FA contracts that result in 4th and 5th round picks in a deep draft. Not bad.

Yes, another fleecing. For the life of me I still can't believe the Jet's swooped in and grabbed Fields. I'm still high on Justin and a little bitter on how he was treated. The fact that Mike Tomlin thinks he knows more than Sean Peyton is still befuddling to me. Both Justin and Russell were brought in on the cheap. A huge part of me thinks the Steelers were thinking they'd hit lightening in a bottle again and get a guy at less than market value. If Russell took 10.5 guaranteed incentives to 20 million. I'm curious to find out eventually what Aaron will make.
 
A seventh and a case of BBQ sauce
Oh jeez.

Funny part for me was a friend saying "well this IS how we finally get a good QB because we'll have the first pick next year"
 
In 2024 Steelers traded Kenny Pickett for the 98th pick in the draft. Which resulted in Peyton Wilson. One heck of a fleecing.

Having trouble telling if you're serious or if your tongue is jammed really firmly in your cheek. Are you so dry in your humor that my slobbering self is just missing it?

You're saying that you turned a third-round pick into a very good player, and that it was a fleecing. Let's start an asset tree. For this to be true at all, it is necessarily implied that either the player received (Wilson) has more value than your average third-round talent or the player you gave (Pickett) has less value than a third-round talent. You're looking for a net win in terms of value here. And on both of those scores, we might agree. Pickett probably has less value to the team (probably much less) than a third-round pick, and Wilson might have crept into the second had people known of his future potential (I doubt it because he plays a non-premium position, but let's not do that to him). So far, so good. You look like your claim stands and that you're right in your assessment.

But hold up. Do you remember where you picked Kenny Pickett? It was not with the 98th pick of the draft. It was with the twentieth pick overall. So do the second part of the asset tree with me. Essentially, given that Pickett went at twenty and you dealt him for ninety-eight, you lost quite a bit of value there. Especially given rookie pay slots. You wasted about three or four years of quality, cost-controlled first-round talent. So you lost that in the exchange. Then have to account for the fact that you lost seventy-eight spots of draft capital. Again, pretty bad. It's hard to say or quantify how much value Wilson has, but I can almost bet dollars to donuts that it's not seventy-eight spots in the draft plus the cost control of the first-round for five years of the talent one can get at that spot.

So I'm thinking you're kidding because that exchange (twentieth pick in the draft for Payton Wilson) isn't a very good one. That's not something to be thumping one's chest about. Maybe if you're a cut-your-losses guy. Then I can see it. But if we're doing an asset tree? Oof.

Wilson is going to be good, too. I watched him. Flies to the ball. But he's not a first-round pick.

And sorry about that. I'm just bored here late night and saw this. Got the gears shifting a bit.
 

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