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3rd Round RBs (1 Viewer)

ImTheScientist

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28 RB Lamar Miller MIA 32 25 27 27 29 32 28.729 RB Demarco Murray DAL 28 31 32 24 30 34 29.830 RB Darren McFadden OAK 34 32 26 28 32 33 30.8 33 RB Stevan Ridley NWE 43 36 35 32 21 39 34.334 RB David Wilson NYG 31 33 47 30 37 30 34.7 37 RB Frank Gore SFO 33 34 33 40 47 35 37.0What are your general thoughts on these guys and how would you rank them?

 
The hype is too much with lamar miller. Don't like gore very much at his age. Wilson is a boom/bust pick. Everyone knows murrays and mcfaddens history. I'd probably go wilson miller mcfadden murray gore

 
Ridley
Gore
-

Mcfadden

-

Murray

-
Wilson
Miller


Absolutely hate this selection of backs, especially if you don't wanna go RB/RB this year. The only two I'm comfortable with as my RB2 are Ridley and Gore.

I think Miller is gonna be competing all year with himself and with Thomas, I don't like him at all and am avoiding him completely. I think Wilson is a mediocre talent but fortunately he is on a team that is great for any RB, I don't see him getting more than 60% of the touches so there is that as well - I think he'll do fine though, unless he fumbles. Man, is Demarco Murray the definition of mediocre or what; thought it was bad enough with Felix Jones people had no idea. If Mcfadden can stay healthy through sheer volume of touches I think he finishes top 15, but we all know better.

Ridley is the safest without a doubt and Gore has some sneaky upside to him.

 
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Out of those 6, I'd rank them thusly:

McFadden

Gore

Murray

Wilson

Ridley

Miller

I'm sure it won't be a popular opinion, but I'm buying McFadden this season. Yes, he cannot stay healthy, but I believe in him now that he's back in a power blocking scheme. His injury risk is now priced into his value in the third, and he can return 2nd or even 1st round value for the games in which he plays.

 
Out of those 6, I'd rank them thusly:

McFadden

Gore

Murray

Wilson

Ridley

Miller

I'm sure it won't be a popular opinion, but I'm buying McFadden this season. Yes, he cannot stay healthy, but I believe in him now that he's back in a power blocking scheme. His injury risk is now priced into his value in the third, and he can return 2nd or even 1st round value for the games in which he plays.
Wow. I rank them almost exactly the opposite. I would switch McFadden and Gore at the bottom.

So weird how rankings vary so much.

 
I really don't understand the Lamar Miller hype at all. The Dolphins lost their best offensive lineman over the offseason, and I think Daniel Thomas could carve out a role in the offense. In the 14 team mocks I've been doing he's gone as high as middle of the 2nd round and never seems to be available in the middle of the 3rd round. The price is too high for a guy that is yet to prove anything.

Reggie Bush belongs in this conversation as well, Detroit really is an ideal situation for his receiving talents. I've seen a lot of variation among websites in terms of his ADP, some places rate him as a late 2nd rounder others as an early 4th, so maybe that's why he's not being mentioned.... With the exception of Ridley I'd rather have Bush over all of these running backs.

As far as McFadden and Murray go, I'm just not willing to use a 3rd round pick until they show they can make it through a full season.

I'd rank them like this:

Ridley

Bush

Gore

Wilson

McFadden

Murray

Miller

 
Ridley, Bush and then don't waste your time guessing on the rest of them. Take another position in the 3rd.

 
Be very careful with Reggie Bush. His ADP is definitely high 2nd round (all 3 FBGPC drafts I did he was gone by 2.4 worst case) and while he has missed only one game in the last 2 years, he now has tread on his tires and is due for missing games to injury (see the 3 consecutive years before the last 2 years).

 
1. David Wilson easy for me...even though there is too much hype I still like his talent.

2. Frank Gore - Still has a little left in the tank and runs behind a very physical offensive line.

3. DeMarco Murray - looked great when healthy...wasn't healthy last year

4. Reggie Bush - Should put up solid, not spectacular numbers

5. Darren McFadden - Great talent but I've been burned by him before so I'm leary of him

6. Stevan Ridley - On the surface he seems like the safe bet but I think Vereen is better and they did sign LaGarrette Blount so I'm not exactly sure what Ridley's role will be

7. Lamar Miller-too much hype...could be decent but too much risk for my taste.

 
Be very careful with Reggie Bush. His ADP is definitely high 2nd round (all 3 FBGPC drafts I did he was gone by 2.4 worst case) and while he has missed only one game in the last 2 years, he now has tread on his tires and is due for missing games to injury (see the 3 consecutive years before the last 2 years).
I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say with your analogy.

Having tread on tires is a good thing. That's the way they come when new. It is through use that tires lose their tread.

 
Be very careful with Reggie Bush. His ADP is definitely high 2nd round (all 3 FBGPC drafts I did he was gone by 2.4 worst case) and while he has missed only one game in the last 2 years, he now has tread on his tires and is due for missing games to injury (see the 3 consecutive years before the last 2 years).
There's no such thing as being "due" an injury.

 
Be very careful with Reggie Bush. His ADP is definitely high 2nd round (all 3 FBGPC drafts I did he was gone by 2.4 worst case) and while he has missed only one game in the last 2 years, he now has tread on his tires and is due for missing games to injury (see the 3 consecutive years before the last 2 years).
I should've specified, he's unlikely to make it into the 3rd round of PPR leagues, but in non PPR he's pretty regularly available in the 3rd round.

He missed a lot of games while with the Saints, and he's probably still a bit of an injury risk...but Gore's got almost 1,000 more touches in his career than Bush and McFadden/Murray are made of glass. He represents less of an injury risk than half the RBs we're comparing.

The people that are concerned about Vereen/Blount in New England don't realize that Ridley got less than 60% of New England's carries last year. Vereen's going to fill the role that Woodhead/Kevin Faulk have played for the Patriots. Even if he steals some of Ridley's touches there's enough room for 2 successful running backs in the New England offense. Blount's never shown that much effectiveness as the goal line. He's worth monitoring in preseason/training camp but I don't think he sniffs the field unless there's an injury.

 
Be very careful with Reggie Bush. His ADP is definitely high 2nd round (all 3 FBGPC drafts I did he was gone by 2.4 worst case) and while he has missed only one game in the last 2 years, he now has tread on his tires and is due for missing games to injury (see the 3 consecutive years before the last 2 years).
Bush has been really consistent (save for the last 2 years in NOLA where his role was slashed), his non PPR averages per game: 11.2, 11.3, 12.0, 12.1, and 11.0 If he is on the high side of his track record, we are talking a high end RB2. If he is on the low end, its a back end RB2. You are getting exactly what you expect in the 3rd. He doesn't have real upside, but unless he gets hurt, there isn't much of a chance he underperforms his 3rd round value. During those years Bush averaged around 16 touches per game. If you look at how Best was used in Detroit, he averaged 16.2 touches a game. The touches will be there for him, very safe pick.

 
The reason I keep seeing in here for not taking Lamar Miller is that there is "too much hype". What does this even mean? Is all this hype resting on his shoulders slowing him down or something?

 
Be very careful with Reggie Bush. His ADP is definitely high 2nd round (all 3 FBGPC drafts I did he was gone by 2.4 worst case) and while he has missed only one game in the last 2 years, he now has tread on his tires and is due for missing games to injury (see the 3 consecutive years before the last 2 years).
Bush has been really consistent (save for the last 2 years in NOLA where his role was slashed), his non PPR averages per game: 11.2, 11.3, 12.0, 12.1, and 11.0 If he is on the high side of his track record, we are talking a high end RB2. If he is on the low end, its a back end RB2. You are getting exactly what you expect in the 3rd. He doesn't have real upside, but unless he gets hurt, there isn't much of a chance he underperforms his 3rd round value. During those years Bush averaged around 16 touches per game. If you look at how Best was used in Detroit, he averaged 16.2 touches a game. The touches will be there for him, very safe pick.
Without looking back at numbers, I think of PPG when I think of Bush. He's had injuries but when he plays he tends to post the numbers (PPR especially).

 
Be very careful with Reggie Bush. His ADP is definitely high 2nd round (all 3 FBGPC drafts I did he was gone by 2.4 worst case) and while he has missed only one game in the last 2 years, he now has tread on his tires and is due for missing games to injury (see the 3 consecutive years before the last 2 years).
Bush has been really consistent (save for the last 2 years in NOLA where his role was slashed), his non PPR averages per game: 11.2, 11.3, 12.0, 12.1, and 11.0 If he is on the high side of his track record, we are talking a high end RB2. If he is on the low end, its a back end RB2. You are getting exactly what you expect in the 3rd. He doesn't have real upside, but unless he gets hurt, there isn't much of a chance he underperforms his 3rd round value. During those years Bush averaged around 16 touches per game. If you look at how Best was used in Detroit, he averaged 16.2 touches a game. The touches will be there for him, very safe pick.
Without looking back at numbers, I think of PPG when I think of Bush. He's had injuries but when he plays he tends to post the numbers (PPR especially).
Over his career he has missed 21 of 112 possible games. Over a 16 game season, it would be expected for him to miss 3 games. That's not terrible for an a RB.

 
I really don't understand the Lamar Miller hype at all. The Dolphins lost their best offensive lineman over the offseason, and I think Daniel Thomas could carve out a role in the offense. In the 14 team mocks I've been doing he's gone as high as middle of the 2nd round and never seems to be available in the middle of the 3rd round. The price is too high for a guy that is yet to prove anything.

Reggie Bush belongs in this conversation as well, Detroit really is an ideal situation for his receiving talents. I've seen a lot of variation among websites in terms of his ADP, some places rate him as a late 2nd rounder others as an early 4th, so maybe that's why he's not being mentioned.... With the exception of Ridley I'd rather have Bush over all of these running backs.

As far as McFadden and Murray go, I'm just not willing to use a 3rd round pick until they show they can make it through a full season.

I'd rank them like this:

Ridley

Bush

Gore

Wilson

McFadden

Murray

Miller
I don't understand your first statement. You don't like Miller because the o-line is horrible but you like Thomas to carve out a nice niche in the offense. Do they put a better o-line in when Thomas is in at running back?

 
I really don't understand the Lamar Miller hype at all. The Dolphins lost their best offensive lineman over the offseason, and I think Daniel Thomas could carve out a role in the offense. In the 14 team mocks I've been doing he's gone as high as middle of the 2nd round and never seems to be available in the middle of the 3rd round. The price is too high for a guy that is yet to prove anything.

Reggie Bush belongs in this conversation as well, Detroit really is an ideal situation for his receiving talents. I've seen a lot of variation among websites in terms of his ADP, some places rate him as a late 2nd rounder others as an early 4th, so maybe that's why he's not being mentioned.... With the exception of Ridley I'd rather have Bush over all of these running backs.

As far as McFadden and Murray go, I'm just not willing to use a 3rd round pick until they show they can make it through a full season.

I'd rank them like this:

Ridley

Bush

Gore

Wilson

McFadden

Murray

Miller
I don't understand your first statement. You don't like Miller because the o-line is horrible but you like Thomas to carve out a nice niche in the offense. Do they put a better o-line in when Thomas is in at running back?
Teams with bad offensive lines sometimes choose to split carries. Hope you can grasp that concept.

 
Still doesn't tell me why you like Thomas and not Miller
I don't happen to like either, I'm just not sold on Lamar Miller as a feature back and I'm not wiling to write off Thomas after just 250 career carries. My opinion might change during the preseason but I think Miller's most likely going to start off the year as the head of a RBBC on a mediocre offense.

 
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Miller is far and away my favorite out of this group. Watched him throughout college, thought he was 1st rounder quality, and now he gets a shot. Big fan.

I'm a big McFadden fan, too, but I'm wondering how smooth the shift back to a power scheme will be. There's been very little continuity in personnel or system on that line. If they look sharp in preseason, he'd be my #2. If not, he'd be near the bottom.

Gore is likely to get 1200-1300 yards and 8 scores, just like he has the first two years of Harbaugh's tenure. I don't think he has much upside beyond that. Safe pick, but I probably won't draft him this year.

I like Murray, but I'll believe that Dallas is more of a running team when I see it. Low TD potential, especially with Witten getting more involved in the red zone in camp.

Big fan of Wilson. I think he can get to 1500 total yards on limited work, just like Jamaal Charles. Brown as the obvious goal line guy puts a cramp on his style, though. At the price, it might not matter.

Ridley will be good but I probably won't be drafting him. No role in the passing game means he's already at too much of yardage deficit to beat his ADP by any significant measure. 1100/10 would be a really nice season from him, but that's only 170 fantasy points. I think a couple of these guys can get to 140-150 just on yardage.

In sum: Miller and Wilson are my all-around favorites. Gore and McFadden are next, and serve different sides of the risk-reward spectrum depending on what you prefer. Murray and Ridley round it out.

 
I'm at a loss for the Miller dislike on this board. There are endless posts sighting his hype as a reason to write him off, which makes very little sense. Hype is typically born out of something of substance, be it talent getting an opportunity, team improvement, scheme change... whatever. The hype doesn't just come out of a void. People who have watched Miller say the kid is quite talented, and the opportunity is right there for him. The team has made numerous positive statements about him this off-season, as well as those who worked out with him from the U of Miami crew. Hype pushing his ADP too high is a valid concern, but disliking him simply due to the hype is rather silly.

I would say the gains in Miami out-weigh the losses. The offense added a legit deep threat in Wallace, an athletic TE in Keller, and Tannehill has had a full year to grow in the offense. I won't pretend to have studied Jake Long last year, but I've read numerous reports that injuries really changed the player he was, so is that loss really going to be that significant? The Dolphins did chose to let him walk, and they had the best seat for evaluating him of anyone I've heard speak on this topic. I will admit, I am a Miller owner, but I am an owner because I buy some of the hype. He is an intriguing talent in what looks like an up and coming offense.

PPR

Murray - The guy produces when he's out there. His injuries haven't been the nagging, lingering, type, so I'll hold off on the injury prone label for one more year.

McFadden - Injuries obvious concern, but the most upside of the group.

Miller - Love the talent, feel like the competition for carries is lackluster to say the least. All indications are he is working hard to take advantage of this opportunity.

Wilson - Very similar to Miller in my opinion, as far as statistical expectations, but has more viable options behind him to take carries. Less chance he emerges as a workhorse than for Miller, in my opinion.

Ridley - The losses in the passing game make me think we may see another season like last year, 1k+ and 10+ TD's.

Gore - Age, wear and tear, I just can't believe he keeps this up.

Non-PPR

Murray

McFadden

Ridley

Miller

Wilson

Gore

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
ImTheScientist said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Ridley - I think vereen takes alot of his catches and some rushes too
How many of Ridley's 6 receptions do you think Vereen will take? :clyde:
it limits ridleys chance for points in PPR leagues
But the "it" is a farce.

Vereen cannot cannot take [from Ridley] that which Ridley never had.

This is kinda like the guys who keep talking about Woodhead taking third downs from Mathews. (Mathews was never a 3rd down back).

Woodhead cannot take 3rd downs from Mathews and Vereen cannot take receptions from Ridley.

 
Just thinking out loud . . .

No one is concerned that the Giants ranked Bottom 10 in rushing attempts the past two seasons and Wilson has Brown to vulture carries?

NE ranked 2nd in the league in rushing attempts last year. Their RB corps accounted for 485 carries and 56 receptions. I'm guessing Ridley and Vereen can coexist and Ridley still gets a huge chunk of the carries. Blount may not even make the opening day roster.

 
Run It Up said:
Ridley

Gore

-

Mcfadden

-

Murray

-

Wilson

Miller

Absolutely hate this selection of backs, especially if you don't wanna go RB/RB this year. The only two I'm comfortable with as my RB2 are Ridley and Gore.

I think Miller is gonna be competing all year with himself and with Thomas, I don't like him at all and am avoiding him completely. I think Wilson is a mediocre talent but fortunately he is on a team that is great for any RB, I don't see him getting more than 60% of the touches so there is that as well - I think he'll do fine though, unless he fumbles. Man, is Demarco Murray the definition of mediocre or what; thought it was bad enough with Felix Jones people had no idea. If Mcfadden can stay healthy through sheer volume of touches I think he finishes top 15, but we all know better.

Ridley is the safest without a doubt and Gore has some sneaky upside to him.
I hope your dyslexic and meant this:

I think Wilson is a great talent but unfortunately he is on a team that is mediocre for any RB
 
Just thinking out loud . . .

No one is concerned that the Giants ranked Bottom 10 in rushing attempts the past two

seasons and Wilson has Brown to vulture carries?

NE ranked 2nd in the league in rushing attempts last year. Their RB corps accounted for 485 carries and 56 receptions. I'm guessing Ridley and Vereen can coexist and Ridley still gets a huge chunk of the carries. Blount may not even make the opening day roster.
:goodposting:

Also, given the situation with the WRs / TEs, I think it's possible that the RBs as a whole see even more work in 2013 -- particularly in the passing game. I'm guessing Ridley is going to be on a ton of my redraft teams this year.

 
If this is about 3rd round RBs, why is Ridley in the discussion? Every mock I've done has had him going in the early-to-mid second, and almost every league is going to have one of those "I'm getting as many Patriots as I can cuz they're AWESOME!!!" guys. He'll go in the second round.

As for the rest of them:

Murray

Gore

Miller

*

Wilson

McFadden

The * represents Sproles, Bell, and Ball, all of whom I'd rather have than either of the guys after them.

 
If this is about 3rd round RBs, why is Ridley in the discussion? Every mock I've done has had him going in the early-to-mid second, and almost every league is going to have one of those "I'm getting as many Patriots as I can cuz they're AWESOME!!!" guys. He'll go in the second round.

As for the rest of them:

Murray

Gore

Miller

*

Wilson

McFadden

The * represents Sproles, Bell, and Ball, all of whom I'd rather have than either of the guys after them.
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/adp-ppr.php

Ridley is pick 31 according to ADP data in PPR...he probably goes higher in non PPR and the list I provided was from FPC data.

Regardless....I appriciate your input thumb.

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
ImTheScientist said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Ridley - I think vereen takes alot of his catches and some rushes too
How many of Ridley's 6 receptions do you think Vereen will take? :clyde:
it limits ridleys chance for points in PPR leagues
But the "it" is a farce.

Vereen cannot cannot take [from Ridley] that which Ridley never had.

This is kinda like the guys who keep talking about Woodhead taking third downs from Mathews. (Mathews was never a 3rd down back).

Woodhead cannot take 3rd downs from Mathews and Vereen cannot take receptions from Ridley.
The "it" is not a farce.

If a guy has limited upside due to his role on the team (e.g. taken out on 3rd downs, limited pass catching ability in general), then you are primarily drafting him as an RB2 expecting both his historical production and lack of (recent) injury history to repeat itself (like a Sproles, Ridley or Gore).

Other guys in this range like McFadden and Murray have "it" (three-down capability and majority role on their team). They have obviously fallen to this range because of high injury risk yet have RB1 upside.

So the tradeoff is one of risk/return. Go for the high risk high upside guys with "it" or the perceived safer guys without "it".

 
If this is about 3rd round RBs, why is Ridley in the discussion? Every mock I've done has had him going in the early-to-mid second, and almost every league is going to have one of those "I'm getting as many Patriots as I can cuz they're AWESOME!!!" guys. He'll go in the second round.

As for the rest of them:

Murray

Gore

Miller

*

Wilson

McFadden

The * represents Sproles, Bell, and Ball, all of whom I'd rather have than either of the guys after them.
So you'd take a rookie that is in a full blown RBBC and has looked bad at camp so far over someone like Wilson who has already shown he has what it takes to put up huge points and the only question is does he get 60% or 80% of the carries? I wish you were in my league!

 
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TheFootballJesus said:
msudaisy26 said:
Still doesn't tell me why you like Thomas and not Miller
I don't happen to like either, I'm just not sold on Lamar Miller as a feature back and I'm not wiling to write off Thomas after just 250 career carries. My opinion might change during the preseason but I think Miller's most likely going to start off the year as the head of a RBBC on a mediocre offense.
Yah I agree; not sure how this point makes you a Thomas fanboy and/or Miller hater. It's not like Miller is going in the 6th round and Thomas in the 8th. It's 2nd/3rd vs undrafted. Seems insane to me given each of their pedegrees (or lack thereof).

 
If this is about 3rd round RBs, why is Ridley in the discussion? Every mock I've done has had him going in the early-to-mid second, and almost every league is going to have one of those "I'm getting as many Patriots as I can cuz they're AWESOME!!!" guys. He'll go in the second round.

As for the rest of them:

Murray

Gore

Miller

*

Wilson

McFadden

The * represents Sproles, Bell, and Ball, all of whom I'd rather have than either of the guys after them.
So you'd take a rookie that is in a full blown RBBC and has looked bad at camp so far over someone like Wilson who has already shown he has what it takes to put up huge points and the only question is does he get 60% or 80% of the carries? I wish you were in my league!
My dislike of Wilson is more about him getting a large percentage of... a below-average and underutilized run game. As for the rookies, I'm assuming you're talking about Ball. I know he's in a RBBC right now, but I've not heard about him looking bad in camp.

 
Problem for me is that I see the upside guys as typically fifth rounders at this point with the ability to move closer as we see preseason games and get more training camp reports. To me, I'd go like this

1) Ridley. Easily the top of this group. Still young, no real injury concerns, and I don't see Vereen as a threat to his production (though I expect Vereen to be pretty good in PPR).

2) Bush. He's finally shown he can handle the job of primary back without getting hurt. He's on an explosive team without much in the way of competition for his workload. Highest upside of all the backs mentioned. Nobody is going to be stacking the box against Calvin and company.

3) Wilson. I find his upside to be consistently overstated, but it's definitely there. Again, another player that will not see many stacked boxes so doesn't need to be great to be viable.

4) Gore. It's really hard for me to get too excited about Gore, then I remind myself that he finished RB10ish last year. He's not likely to make my team as I just have a real bent about 30+ year old RBs, especially after the extended season he had. Plus, his value in the passing game looks to be even more reduced as Hunter returns and James gets his own role. I understand why guys like him, but not for me.

5) Miller. I like his skill set, but I don't like the expectations. He seems to be getting drafted at his upside, which I have pegged at Reggie Bush's production from last year.

6) Murray. I just can't get away from his injury history. I'm not willing to take this big of a risk. Round 5/6, sure, but not when I don't have to.

7) McFadden. See Murray, add horrible offense with weak starting QB. Round 5/6 is where I want to be taking my bigger risks, not here.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
ImTheScientist said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Ridley - I think vereen takes alot of his catches and some rushes too
How many of Ridley's 6 receptions do you think Vereen will take? :clyde:
it limits ridleys chance for points in PPR leagues
But the "it" is a farce.

Vereen cannot cannot take [from Ridley] that which Ridley never had.

This is kinda like the guys who keep talking about Woodhead taking third downs from Mathews. (Mathews was never a 3rd down back).

Woodhead cannot take 3rd downs from Mathews and Vereen cannot take receptions from Ridley.
The "it" is not a farce.

If a guy has limited upside due to his role on the team (e.g. taken out on 3rd downs, limited pass catching ability in general), then you are primarily drafting him as an RB2 expecting both his historical production and lack of (recent) injury history to repeat itself (like a Sproles, Ridley or Gore).

Other guys in this range like McFadden and Murray have "it" (three-down capability and majority role on their team). They have obviously fallen to this range because of high injury risk yet have RB1 upside.

So the tradeoff is one of risk/return. Go for the high risk high upside guys with "it" or the perceived safer guys without "it".
I'd say Ridley has RB1 upside, and historical RB1 production, since he performed as an RB1 last year.

In standard formats Ridley was RB10 last year.

If you draft him as an RB2 and get just in the ballpark of his production from last year, you did good. If he repeats his performance from last year, you hit a home run by drafting an RB1 in round 2 or 3

 
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I love Ridley, and Im not going to risk waiting until the 3rd to take him. Im picking him mid-late 2nd round when I can and the only RB Im considering taking over him at that point is SJax. The loss of Brady's biggest receiving weapons make me think NE will continue to rely on the running game.

 

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