3rd Round Reversal Draft (1 Viewer)

[wittyusername]

After many years of following the standard serpentine draft system our league is switching to 3rd round reversal. What has been your experience with this system and what are your ideal draft positions. Seems to me that this system screams to be in the middle of the pack - 5 through 8 positions. What say you?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

After many years of following the standard serpentine draft system our league is switching to 3rd round reversal. What has been your experience with this system and what are your ideal draft positions. Seems to me that this system screams to be in the middle of the pack - 5 through 8 positions. What say you?

Check this out from last year:3rd Round Reversal

 

[Pictus Cat]

After many years of following the standard serpentine draft system our league is switching to 3rd round reversal. What has been your experience with this system and what are your ideal draft positions. Seems to me that this system screams to be in the middle of the pack - 5 through 8 positions. What say you?

Check this out from last year:3rd Round Reversal

Post Killer.Excellent article.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Assuming you are discussing Banzai Method (switching the 3rd round around, leaving everything else the same)...

The pick from 8-11 are still the least desirable in redrafts.

At least according to statistics. But its very small or non existent.

You also miss the big super punch from one of the top 3-5 players that can alleviate many issues should they just do what they are expected to do. Which should never be overlooked.

You are not in the middle and still not protected from a run that starts going away from you.

You dont get the double-picks like 1&12.

However, you do get a early round selection for your 2nd, 3rd and 4th players.

Assuming the first round is RBs - this means you gain a match up advantage for RB#2 (as you normally would) as well as QB and your first WR. You can also have the gluttony advantage of grabbing a 3rd RB of quality. All things that used to go to the early drafters.

In dynasty keeper formats: it really does even things out.

The final say in determining where I would want to be located changes from year to year. Because its more dependent on my tiers.

And not just RB tiers, but also early QBs and WRs. ??How do you foresee those first 45 or so selections panning-out prehand??

*Here is a very key observation I've concluded over the years though... The pressure used to be on the later first round draftees to get 2 RBs. Because they had to wait through some 20 picks before their next selection. The value of the RBs dropped so much, it was hard on them. That pressure is now somewhat switched over to the early first round drafters to grab a second RB in round 2, because round 3 and 4 start on the other end. If I pick in the top 4-5, I feel hamstrung in almost having to take a 2nd RB in the second round of non-ppr leagues, and still concerned about it in pprs. Which is much more appropriate then hamstringing the late first round teams.

 

[pizzatyme]

I play in the high-stakes NFFC where 3RR is the standard. We also use KDS (Kentucky Derby System) where owners get to submit their preferences of what slot to draft from. These are 14-team leagues so take what I say with that in mind. The NFFC's version of 3RR means the rounds go 1-14, 14-1, 14-1, 1-14, 14-1 and so on.

I can tell you that the 7-9 slots were usually 3 of the last 5 slots of most owners in order of preference.

Many times, most would pick slots 1-4 (depends on where you consider the top tier to stop) then they'd go to the back end of the draft in slots 14-12, then finish with some mixture of the rest of the slots.

Therefore. their KDS ended up looking something like this: 1,2,3,4,5,14,13,12,11,6,10,7,8,9

I think one of the most important things to consider is where, in your opinion, there is a clear dropoff in talent. Let's say you consider the top 40 overall to be pretty clear and then the waters muddy, so to speak. Then let's assume you are in a 12-team league.

That puts the dropoff at about the 4th pick of the 4th round. If I were setting my KDS, I'd go 1,2,3,4 for sure. This would get me 4 of the clear top 40 players on my list.

While 7-9 slots do offer some perceived advantages if people are letting value slide all around you, you can see that in this example, the value goes away quickly in the 4th round as the choices are much less clear.

Same with having the 10th spot or later, once you get past the benefit of the 3RR in the 3rd round, most of the value vanishes as the picks are less clear from that point on.

I hope this makes sense to you?!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So the OP isn't confused-

Pizza is stating the 3RR at NFFC.

Which is

1..... 12

12... 1

12... 1

1..... 12

12... 1

1.... 12

and so on.

I was stating the Banzai Method which is::

1..... 12

12... 1

12... 1

12... 1

1..... 12

12... 1

1..... 12

and so on.

And actually, as pizza points out NFC does it for 14 teams, not 12.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The final say in determining where I would want to be located changes from year to year. Because its more dependent on my tiers.And not just RB tiers, but also early QBs and WRs. ??How do you foresee those first 45 or so selections panning-out prehand??

I think one of the most important things to consider is where, in your opinion, there is a clear dropoff in talent. Let's say you consider the top 40 overall to be pretty clear and then the waters muddy, so to speak.

 

[pizzatyme]

So the OP isn't confused-

Pizza is stating the 3RR at NFFC.

Which is

1..... 12

12... 1

12... 1

1..... 12

12... 1

1.... 12

and so on.

I was stating the Banzai Method which is::

1..... 12

12... 1

12... 1

12... 1

1..... 12

12... 1

1..... 12

and so on.

And actually, as pizza points out NFC does it for 14 teams, not 12.

True BST, and now starting this year NFFC is partnering with NBC and offering 12 team leagues as well. These leagues will also use 3RR and KDS.If you guys decide to try one of these leagues let me know before you join as I get a referral fee.

 

[pizzatyme]

The final say in determining where I would want to be located changes from year to year. Because its more dependent on my tiers.And not just RB tiers, but also early QBs and WRs. ??How do you foresee those first 45 or so selections panning-out prehand??

I think one of the most important things to consider is where, in your opinion, there is a clear dropoff in talent. Let's say you consider the top 40 overall to be pretty clear and then the waters muddy, so to speak.

 

[radballs]

Pizza,

Any results or conclusions that can be drawn in your opinion from the format that the NFFC went to? Was it more fair? Any draft spots that in hindsight might change your strategy going into this year? Should the NFFC not gone that way or did you and most of the people that competed in the event feel that it was more "fair"? Just curious.

 

[pizzatyme]

Pizza,Any results or conclusions that can be drawn in your opinion from the format that the NFFC went to? Was it more fair? Any draft spots that in hindsight might change your strategy going into this year? Should the NFFC not gone that way or did you and most of the people that competed in the event feel that it was more "fair"? Just curious.

Rad,I do feel it was more fair. I'd prefer they go to a true Bonzai draft. That would definitely make it more fair IMO.In the Main Event, I had the 13th pick. I didn't mind the back of the draft, I was just hit hard with injuries to Rudi (1st rounder) and Jacobs (3rd rounder).With the year Brady and Moss had, it is tough to say what slots I'd avoid. I've seen both Brady and Moss go in the top 8 overall in an early satellite draft this year. I don't have them ranked that high, so I can see value falling to the 7-14 slots if that holds true in later drafts.With the NBC and 12-team leagues on board, I think it was the right decision in hindsight.I prefer the 12-team leagues, and that coupled with KDS (which I love) and 3RR (which I like a lot) will make for a perfect setup this summer.What I don't care for is an 11 week season at these $$$.

 

[pizzatyme]

Pizza,Any results or conclusions that can be drawn in your opinion from the format that the NFFC went to? Was it more fair? Any draft spots that in hindsight might change your strategy going into this year? Should the NFFC not gone that way or did you and most of the people that competed in the event feel that it was more "fair"? Just curious.

Are you considering dipping into the NFFC/NBC pool this year? If so, let me know as I have more to share 1-off.

 

[radballs]

Pizza,Any results or conclusions that can be drawn in your opinion from the format that the NFFC went to? Was it more fair? Any draft spots that in hindsight might change your strategy going into this year? Should the NFFC not gone that way or did you and most of the people that competed in the event feel that it was more "fair"? Just curious.

Are you considering dipping into the NFFC/NBC pool this year? If so, let me know as I have more to share 1-off.

Not considering it at this time. Locked into WCOFF and will most likely also enter the FFPC since it's the same weekend. Can't afford to do Vegas for either that long or just return four days later. I love KDS and think every league should do that since it's a no brainer. I was just thinking that 3RR or Banzai method would scare off so many competitors as to not make a viable format for a large competition. The larger the league, the more it makes sense for sure. I just can't see a lot of people jumping into 12 team leagues under that format regardless of if they have the ability to acknowledge that it may be more equitable than the traditional format.

 

[Pictus Cat]

I can only speak for myself, but I liked the NFFC 3RR & KDS in a satellite league.

 

[Fighting Noles]

I liked it (NFFC 3RR & KDS) a lot also and was in Pizzas' League last year....I'll be playing both the NFFC & NBC event this year. I think if anything it might draw some peoples attention (curiousity) to the event and is especially helpful in the 14 team format IMO.